Thomas and All:
I have been using Jitsi and like it. Two things I have found: an “&” in the string causes your virtual “room” to fail and I have had unexpected failures with virtual “room” addresses. Always test the “room” address before sending it out.
-- Chris Peeples --
On Sunday, May 3, 2020, 11:11:09 AM UTC, berkeleylug@googlegroups.com <berkeleylug@googlegroups.com> wrote:
- Snap to it - 5 Updates
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tom r lopes <tomrlopes@gmail.com>: May 02 03:03PM -0700
What is the deal with snap and or flatpack? I'm still installing via apt but I guess if you are going the gui route you will see snaps. What is the use case here? I thought I was doing good when I realized I could hunt and peck apt instead of apt-get. Also if there are any Arch users out there: What do you do to keep AUR up to date? Is there a way to hook into pacman? I guess I could see how Manjaro does it. Thomas |
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Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com>: May 02 03:48PM -0700
> I'm still installing via apt but I guess if you are going the gui route > you will see snaps. > What is the use case here? In my probably cynical opinion, the use case is: 'I'm from the proprietary software world and expect applications to be bundled with everything they need including libs, rather than going through the bother of keeping applications in harmony with system libs, like one of those long-haired open source hippies.' Flatpaks are able to be created in a decentralised fashion by any old person. They're more than a bit like PPAs, except with more self-contained bundling of software resources. Snap packages are under the central thumb of Canonical, Ltd., feed through Canonical's Snap online 'package store' (only), and can be contributed to only if you sign a licensing agreement with Canonical, Ltd. The whole thing is obviously inspired by the Docker container-software craze in cloud computing, which itself has a lot of that proprietary software mentality behind it. The Ubuntu propaganda machine is of course pushing Snap. Flatpak has a more diverse rah-rah squad including Docker types and gamer punks, and unlike Snap/snapd isn't distro-specific. Fans of either implementation tend to call them 'universal installers', rather than the unflattering characterisation I've made of them above. (In case it isn't obvious, I personally have no use for either one, and think they're both yet another way to try to replicate the mistakes of Microsoft Windows, for which, no thanks.) And _of course_ Canonical is in the middle of the latest of those efforts, because it's always trying to make itself relevant by muscling into anything currently fashionable. Views Differ[tm]. |
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tom r lopes <tomrlopes@gmail.com>: May 02 04:42PM -0700
Yeah, Rick, that was what I thought. And you mention Docker ... I'm curious about that too. I haven't played with it yet. But Docker makes sense to me as a way to run like a VM without the using up the space. But then I see people talk about Docker on the PI and I go "what the hell" Thomas |
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Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com>: May 02 04:55PM -0700
> And you mention Docker ... I'm curious about that too. I haven't > played with it yet. But Docker makes sense to me as a way to run like > a VM without the using up the space. Well, sort of. Except not. Docker first arose on cloud clusters (including without limitations Amazon AWS. When it was new and shiny, I kept asking the proponents 'Hey, how are you going to protect security, given that you lack the host/guest isolation that's automatic with real hypervisor software like KVM / VirtualBox / VMware?' And the answer was always a close variant on 'Uh, yeah, security! It'll be great. We'll have that nailed down Real Soon Now.' I could be wrong, but I don't think they have it nailed down, and don't think it'll ever be really good in that area. > But then I see people talk about Docker on the PI and I go "what the hell" Some people talk about a pair of things and without thinking imagine that the two of them together must automatically be a good thing, like, dunno, maybe injections and disinfectants. ;-> |
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Alan Davis <alan3davis@gmail.com>: May 02 08:11PM -0700
I've been using Manjaro, which almost boils down to using Arch. I can only provide a tentative answer to your question about keeping AUR up to date: I don't know all the ins and outs. I use an AUR Helper, if you will, called "Yay". It is fantastic! A command line tool the runs almost all pacman commands transparently, for the official distro and AUR packages. I only have learned a few options, the ones that I need to stay sane. AFAICR, it is possible to get a listing of packages installed from AUR. If not, Pamac-manager is, I think, installed with pamac, by default on Manjaro. The GUI enables me to enable various repositories, including AUR; and whether to check for AUR updates. AFAICT, yay keeps AUR packages up to date. For almost all pacman commands/options, yay works as a transparent replacement for pacman. Unlike pacman (but similar to Yaourt, which it replaces) It does not require to use sudo to run, as a mere mortal, but does ask for a password later on. I've had few problems, and cannot remember when I've needed to manually update a package from AUR. Maybe a few. No more PPDs for me. Damn! This distro works so well, I've gotten lazy. Alan Davis -- "This ignorance about the limits of the earth's ability to absorb pollutants should be reason enough for caution in the release of polluting substances." ---Meadows et al. 1972. Limits to Growth <https://www.dartmouth.edu/~library/digital/publishing/meadows/ltg/>. (p. 81) |
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tom r lopes <tomrlopes@gmail.com>: May 02 02:29PM -0700
Just saw this https://opensource.com/article/20/5/free-software-communication List of open source remote communication. As you know I'm going to try a Jitsi meeting tomorrow. I'm going to use the meet.jit.si server but it is possible too run your own Jitsi meet server. Right now it seems that Zoom is the most popular one. I looked at it myself and was taken aback at having to download and run something. But it turns out you can run zoom from the browser. Go to a zoom link. You get a pop up to run something. Cancel that and find "click here if doesn't open". Cancel the pop up again. Now near the bottom is "run in browser". Thomas |
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Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com>: May 02 03:34PM -0700
> Just saw this > https://opensource.com/article/20/5/free-software-communication > List of open source remote communication. Coolness. I've seen that before at FSF's blog, and it's a good article. > As you know I'm going to try a Jitsi meeting tomorrow. I'm going to use the > meet.jit.si server but it is possible too run your own Jitsi meet server. Plan on many participants having to spend a lot of their initial session debugging their local microphone & camera setups. (This is true with any videoconferencing, not something specific to Jitsi Meet.) > Right now it seems that Zoom is the most popular one. Reasonably so -- but it should be borne in mind that they have a business angle: Free-of-charge public sessions are generously offered, but with a 40 minute duration limit per videoconference session. |
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tom r lopes <tomrlopes@gmail.com>: May 02 04:36PM -0700
> > https://opensource.com/article/20/5/free-software-communication > > List of open source remote communication. > Coolness. I've seen that before at FSF's blog, and it's a good article. Yes it is the same article. The author just reprinted it on opensource.com . I was out (eh violating stay at home) and it looked better on mobile. > Plan on many participants having to spend a lot of their initial session > debugging their local microphone & camera setups. (This is true with > any videoconferencing, not something specific to Jitsi Meet.) It is likely to be just me talking to myself. But it is very possible that I'll have trouble conferencing to myself (The mind is getting foggy now) Thomas |
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Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com>: May 02 04:50PM -0700
> It is likely to be just me talking to myself. But it is very possible that > I'll have trouble conferencing to myself (The mind is getting foggy now) Assuming you send out the meeting details, and I see them in time, I'd be delighted to join you. I've done a lot of both Jitsi Meet and Zoom, so my own setup is tested-good, and maybe can help verify that you're getting across the video link to me and to anyone else attending. -- Cheers, @kareem_carr: "I discovered a new statistical law, that says that Rick Moen all jokes on Twitter are based on other jokes on Twitter." rick@linux friend: "That's really cool! What do you call it?" mafia.com @kareem_carr: *slowly doffs sunglasses" "Regression to the meme." |
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tom r lopes <tomrlopes@gmail.com>: May 02 04:56PM -0700
It will be meet.jit.si/berkeleypi I'll email when ready hopefully by noon Thomas |
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