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Re: [PhillyOnRails] Sharp stick in the eye on free softwaredistributed after MSDN and TechNet Events here in KC today...
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Cliff,
I finally managed to get the bloody DVD running, with
great effort, and found it it was only yet another
link to ordering a REAL installation DVD for MS Server
2008, Beta 3. Can you imagine, Cliff, a SLACKWARE
LINUX DVD that contains a link to a website so you can
actually
ORDER a copy of SLACKWARE? What a hoot:-)
Well, I'll tell you which Microsoft clacks here in KC
are
referring to "rebel software."
Yesterday, in a theatre with roughly 200 software
engineers, I heard a self-title "Microsoft evangelist"
(it said so on the slide he prepared) refer to Oracle
as "legacy softare".
These came on the heels of being asked a question
from myself in the crowd concerning the compliance of
the
"latest and greatest" (Microsoft LINQ) with the
SQL-92 and SQL-96 standards, which, as you know,
most RDBMS vendors have worked diligently to align to:
SYBASE, ORACLE, et. al.
Oracle as "legacy"? Sounds like slander to me.
The sad thing is that many a young developer in that
room will take what is being said as truthful.
Again, a sad comment on the American business scene.
An Indian (senior engineer) sitting behind me caught
this shit-slinging at Oracle exactly when I did. I
must
have let out a gasp of exasperation, because he leaned
down, and said to let me know by repeating, "Oracle is
not legacy" within my earshot. I just broke out
laughing
at that point. Utter nonsense.
Believe me there where several engineers like me in
the room who had more than 25 years in software who no
doubt were also offended by this slander.
-Greg.
--- Seth Turner <turner_seth@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Honestly, I'm looking at installing Linux simply
> because I'm fairly confident that "upgrading" to
> Vista is going to break something on my machine...I
> don't know what it is yet, and I'd prefer not to
> have to find out.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Justin W. Reagor
> To: talk@phillyonrails.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [PhillyOnRails] Sharp stick in the
> eye on free softwaredistributed after MSDN and
> TechNet Events here in KC today...
>
>
> Java.. rebellious??? Hahhaha... I know some people
> just can't move on. They are like freaktards with a
> bagged mindset from the IBM era. The tide is turning
> on those [MS] technologies, and your either coming
> or going.
>
>
>
> :: Justin Reagor
> :: justinwr@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Cliff Moon wrote:
>
>
> Reminds me of something funny from college. I
> was in a class teaching
> web dev with Java, and the professor had a
> microsoft shill, err,
> evangelist come in for the opposing viewpoint.
> He referred to spring,
> hibernate, and the other open source frameworks
> as the "rebel
> frameworks" in his pitch for VB. Who talks like
> that?
>
>
> GREG NEELEY wrote:
> August 28, 2007
>
>
> One of the great things about free software
> for LINUX is that, by and
> large, it works.
>
>
> That's not to say that you can't find bugs.
> It means, for the most
> part, if you can get it installed,
> it runs.
>
>
> And, over the years, I've installed LINUX
> variants on a wide variety
> of PC hardware, without fail.
>
>
> Much of this LINUX was free, or at very
> reduced cost, such as the cost
> of distributing a CD in the case
> of Slackware.
>
>
> At least that's the general trend.
>
>
> I was really entertained after shooting the
> day in a morning and
> afternoon session today with some
> Microsoft folks here in KC.
>
>
> When I got home with the free software
> (Windows Server 2003 SP 2), it
> completely "hung"
> my version of Windows 2000 Professional during
> the attempted start up
> of the normal install
> image, the kind you usually use to upgrade
> Windows software.
>
>
> When I say "hung", I mean I couldn't even use
> a "three-fingered
> salute" to bring up the Task Manager,
> and kill the process started by the
> installation executable off the
> DVD drive.
>
>
> Just to make sure my DVD drive wasn't
> defective, I booted up my LINUX
> variant on the same box ( I run GRUB, so I can
> boot either Linux or
> Windows), the Suse Enterprise
> Desktop 10 from NOVELL, and there isn't a
> thing wrong with the DVD.
>
>
> Most entertaining:-) What a great comment
> from a buddy of mine who
> was an old IBM hand from 40 years back. He
> was lamenting the fact
> that Microsoft has a reputation for "software
> that doesn't work." It
> explains
> why the courts in county seats in Kansas ran
> SCO years ago on PCs,
> instead of Windows, because judges have a low
> tolerance for failure when it comes to
> applications the court uses,
> such as child support applications:-)
>
>
> I mean, the Microsoft reps. were handing these
> DVDs out like candy at
> the beginning of the day.
>
>
> I really feel sorry for them.
>
>
> It has to be embarassing when paid
> professionals produce defective
> DVDs, while people who are not highly
> compensated produce largely high-quality open
> software, such as LINUX,
> Ruby, etc.
>
>
> It's no suprise, given these scenarios why so
> many organizations are
> adopting LINUX solutions. I saw on NOVELL's
> website they have an electronics firm in India
> that just deployed
> 30,0000 LINUX seats, and something like 1800
> server seats.
>
>
> Onward through the fog.
> -Greg.
>
>
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