From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Mon May 1 07:11:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09441; Mon, 1 May 2000 07:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id HAA23269; Mon, 1 May 2000 07:10:40 -0400 Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id HAA23234 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 07:10:37 -0400 From: DrexelDG@aol.com Message-Id: <200005011110.HAA23234@nitrous.nothinbut.net> Received: from DrexelDG@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id g.99.424395a (6109) for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 07:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web46.aolmail.aol.com (web46.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.7]) by air-id02.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2000 07:10:04 -0400 Date: Mon May 01 07:10:03 2000 To: X-Mailer: Unknown sub 1 Subject: [PLUG] Firewall question... Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 530 Lines: 20 Heya all.... I got a few questions... Who uses them? What kind do you use? Is there a commerical version that is better then a free one? A HOWTO file to config them? Any addaitional information that I need to know? Thanks all... Anthony ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Mon May 1 11:39:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20282; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id LAA13252; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:39:20 -0400 Received: from mail.quarterleaf.com (sirius.quarterleaf.com [216.51.54.2]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id LAA13217 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:39:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nitrous.nothinbut.net: Host sirius.quarterleaf.com [216.51.54.2] claimed to be mail.quarterleaf.com Received: from mail.quarterleaf.com ([10.1.1.229]) by mail.quarterleaf.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA72FB for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:40:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:38:17 -0500 From: "Vale Kenny" To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] Firewall question... Message-ID: <20000501113817.C303@singularity> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Balsa 0.6.0 Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 749 Lines: 29 > > Who uses them? Almost everyone who has a net conection that is either: Fast always on high profile > > What kind do you use? Is there a commerical version that is better then a free one? I just use the firewall integral to Linux.. AFAIK it's as good as any other.. > > A HOWTO file to config them? I dunno.. I just got my information from the ipmasq HOWTO > > Any addaitional information that I need to know? Again, I dunno.. is there? Peace, Vale ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Mon May 1 11:44:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21032; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id LAA14258; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:43:58 -0400 Received: from infinity.stf.org (qmailr@cn479784-a.wall1.pa.home.com [24.40.33.98]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id LAA14230 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:43:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nitrous.nothinbut.net: Host qmailr@cn479784-a.wall1.pa.home.com [24.40.33.98] claimed to be infinity.stf.org Received: (qmail 4464 invoked by uid 102); 1 May 2000 15:43:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (mg@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2000 15:43:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:43:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Laudadio To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] Firewall question... In-Reply-To: <200005011110.HAA23234@nitrous.nothinbut.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 2978 Lines: 71 On Mon, 1 May 2000 DrexelDG@aol.com wrote: > I got a few questions... > > Who uses them? Anyone who is interested in making their systems just a little bit more secure from the threats that come with having a system connected to the Internet. That is, anyone from the big multinational corporations all the way on down to the way down to the guy with a little network at home. > What kind do you use? Is there a commerical version that is better then a free one? I use the builtin firewall features of the linux kernel. As of kernel 2.3, that's netfilter. For 2.2 kernels, it would be ipchains. Prior to 2.2 kernels it would be ipfwadm. As for commercial versions that are better, I guess it all depends on your needs. CheckPoint is one commercial firewall package that is available for linux now I believe. > > A HOWTO file to config them? Why certainly! The ipchains-HOWTO available at your favorite HOWTO site, you might already have it on your box already. Have a look in /usr/doc/HOWTO > > Any addaitional information that I need to know? There are different methods of firewalling. The most basic (and the type present in the linux kernel) is called packet filtering. Basically, this looks at all IP packets and based on rules allows or denies their passage through (you can do other things too, like forward them somewhere else). The disadvantage of simple packet filtering is that your packet filtering firewall will not know anything about the contents of your data. All it is concerned about are things like where this packet originated from, where it wants to go, what port it came from, what port it wants to goto, etc. It doesn't care whether this packet is part of an ongoing http conversation or whether this packet contains information about X protocol. If you find that your needs to be able to distinguish between packets carrying different kinds of data, then you might need a context-based firewall. To my knowledge, there aren't any free packages out there to do context-based firewalling. You might need to look into a commercial solution. However, for most cases a packet filtering firewall will get the job done. And because most protocols use a well known port number, you *can* decide which protocol to allow or deny base on the port it uses even if your firewall software doesn't really know it's doing it. mg > > Thanks all... > > Anthony > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net > Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug > ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Mon May 1 12:05:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23729; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id LAA17378; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:58:24 -0400 Received: from mail.ocs.drexel.edu (mail.irt.drexel.edu [129.25.3.58]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id LAA17297 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:58:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nitrous.nothinbut.net: Host mail.irt.drexel.edu [129.25.3.58] claimed to be mail.ocs.drexel.edu Received: from dunx1.irt.drexel.edu by mail.ocs.drexel.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.03.02.17.58.p5) with ESMTP id <0FTW005PO1OZZ5@mail.ocs.drexel.edu> for plug@lists.nothinbut.net; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:58:11 -0400 (EDT) From: aab@drexel.edu Subject: Re: [PLUG] Firewall question... In-reply-to: <200005011110.HAA23234@nitrous.nothinbut.net> X-Sender: aab@dunx1.irt.drexel.edu To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 2114 Lines: 47 On Mon, 1 May 2000 DrexelDG@aol.com wrote: > Who uses them? > Vale bagged this one. Anyone who has anything on their network that they value. Data, productivity, e-commerce, what-have-you. Once you have spent enough time (& money) to setup your network, you might see it worth your while to prevent someone's "goofing it" ... even if you don't have any data of any direct monetary value (submarine plans and missile guidance code). > What kind do you use? Is there a commerical version that is better > then a free one? > This might depend on your environment. When the hospital was looking for a firewall, we were supporting Checkpoint (well regarded and one of the cheapest packages in the running) but the powers-that-be went out and purchased the SunScreen product ... I think they spent $75K at the time. One doesn't really have to wonder very long how we went bankrupt with decisions like that ... > A HOWTO file to config them? > Again, depends on the hardware. And, I suppose, the abilities of the people managing them. I know that when they were using it here, the IS folks frequently bypassed it (SunScreen acts as a transparent IP filter) because the people who were administering it didn't know how to ... uh, administer/configure/etc. it. I saved an old presentation from that era that includes something about threats from .JIF files. We called her the "peanut butter queen" for months. > Any additional information that I need to know? > Know what your goals are. Do your homework. (wait, you are! :^) A firewall that isn't properly setup is no better than that antivirus software that has a year-old scanning string library. Your only real security in that case will be the delusion that you're secure. andrew. ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Mon May 1 12:57:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04469; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id MAA29518; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:57:17 -0400 Received: from renoir.op.net (root@renoir.op.net [207.29.195.4]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id MAA29490 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:57:13 -0400 Received: from monet.op.net (darxus@monet.op.net [207.29.195.3]) by renoir.op.net (o1/$Revision: 1.18 $) with ESMTP id MAA25153 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (darxus@localhost) by monet.op.net ($Revision: 1.2 $) with ESMTP id MAA04489 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:57:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: monet.op.net: darxus owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:57:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Darxus To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: RE: [PLUG] The requested method POST is not allowed for the URL /cfdocs/testinstallation/courses.cfm. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 821 Lines: 21 On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Dan Eunson wrote: > I don't see and AddHandler or AddType for Cold Fusion. Do other pages work > (execute script) that aren't being posted to? I needed LoadModule coldfusion_module libexec/mod_coldfusion.so Which required recompiling w/ --enable-module=so. __________________________________________________________________ PGP fingerprint = 03 5B 9B A0 16 33 91 2F A5 77 BC EE 43 71 98 D4 darxus@op.net / http://www.op.net/~darxus There is no fine line between genius and insanity. ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Mon May 1 20:16:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10548; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id TAA12369; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:28:30 -0400 Received: from brm.matzelle.net ([206.181.181.73]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id TAA12312 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:28:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nitrous.nothinbut.net: Host [206.181.181.73] claimed to be brm.matzelle.net Received: (qmail 1105 invoked from network); 1 May 2000 23:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO brm.matzelle.net) (brent@206.181.181.73) by 206.181.181.73 with SMTP; 1 May 2000 23:28:32 -0000 From: "Brent R. Matzelle" To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:22:35 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00050119283200.01102@brm.matzelle.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [PLUG] /usr/bin/sendmail program w/PHP Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 877 Lines: 33 Hello, I'm trying to figure out how to use that tricky little /usr/sbin/sendmail program to send a message with PHP. I've tried the command: exec("/usr/sbin/sendmail < $message_with_headers"); and many others but to no effect. I've tried a bunch of different formats for the mail file too. e.g. MAIL FROM: user@email.com RCPT TO: otheruser@otheremail.com DATA Subject: Subject header Message .. You get the idea... The man page is quite confusing. Is anyone familiar with the syntax and could give me an example or two of how to make it work? Brent -- http://www.matzelle.net ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From mct@netaxs.com Mon May 1 20:24:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from access.netaxs.com (access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17731 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mct@localhost) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id UAA05682; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:24:03 -0400 From: "Michael C. Toren" To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] /usr/bin/sendmail program w/PHP Message-ID: <20000501202403.B1297@access.netaxs.com> References: <00050119283200.01102@brm.matzelle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.5i In-Reply-To: <00050119283200.01102@brm.matzelle.net> Content-Length: 579 Lines: 22 > I've tried the command: > > exec("/usr/sbin/sendmail < $message_with_headers"); > > and many others but to no effect. I've tried a bunch of different formats for > the mail file too. > > e.g. > MAIL FROM: user@email.com > RCPT TO: otheruser@otheremail.com > DATA > Subject: Subject header > Message Try piping your message to "sendmail -oi -t", and getting rid of the SMTP commands from the above. Your message should, however, contain valid From: and To: headers. Also, you need to separate the header and body sections of your message with a blank line. HTH, -mct From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Mon May 1 20:34:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16121; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id UAA20773; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:09:29 -0400 Received: from simba.dogsaver.net (IDENT:qmailr@simba.dogsaver.net [216.155.44.4]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id UAA20722 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:09:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 4345 invoked from network); 2 May 2000 00:09:24 -0000 Received: from simba.dogsaver.net (HELO simba) (rick@216.155.44.4) by simba.dogsaver.net with SMTP; 2 May 2000 00:09:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:09:24 -0400 (EDT) From: JR Mayberry X-Sender: rick@simba To: "Brent R. Matzelle" cc: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] /usr/bin/sendmail program w/PHP In-Reply-To: <00050119283200.01102@brm.matzelle.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1453 Lines: 55 I don't know php, but i'd assume its /usr/sbin/sendmail -t < $message_with_header where message_with_header is something like From: whatever To: Subject: body body body On Mon, 1 May 2000, Brent R. Matzelle wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to figure out how to use that tricky little /usr/sbin/sendmail > program to send a message with PHP. > > I've tried the command: > > exec("/usr/sbin/sendmail < $message_with_headers"); > > and many others but to no effect. I've tried a bunch of different formats for > the mail file too. > > e.g. > MAIL FROM: user@email.com > RCPT TO: otheruser@otheremail.com > DATA > Subject: Subject header > Message > .. > You get the idea... > > The man page is quite confusing. Is anyone familiar with the syntax and > could give me an example or two of how to make it work? > > Brent > > -- > http://www.matzelle.net > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net > Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug > ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Mon May 1 20:35:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18801; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id UAA25569; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:31:15 -0400 Received: from infinity.stf.org (qmailr@cn479784-a.wall1.pa.home.com [24.40.33.98]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id UAA25528 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:31:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nitrous.nothinbut.net: Host qmailr@cn479784-a.wall1.pa.home.com [24.40.33.98] claimed to be infinity.stf.org Received: (qmail 4852 invoked by uid 102); 2 May 2000 00:31:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (mg@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 May 2000 00:31:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:31:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Laudadio To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] /usr/bin/sendmail program w/PHP In-Reply-To: <00050119283200.01102@brm.matzelle.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1874 Lines: 58 It's probably not advisable to invoke sendmail with an exec() call, something about it just rings the this-probably-isnt-very-secure bell with me. Fortunately, php has a builtin function to send mail: mail(). The prototype is bool mail(string to, string subject, string message, string [additional_headers]); the additional_headers is not necessary. It defaults to invoking the mail agent with "sendmail -t". If that's not sufficient for you (maybe you run qmail not sendmail) then you can change the "sendmail_path" variable in php3.ini (mine was in /usr/local/lib). Hope this helps. mg On Mon, 1 May 2000, Brent R. Matzelle wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to figure out how to use that tricky little /usr/sbin/sendmail > program to send a message with PHP. > > I've tried the command: > > exec("/usr/sbin/sendmail < $message_with_headers"); > > and many others but to no effect. I've tried a bunch of different formats for > the mail file too. > > e.g. > MAIL FROM: user@email.com > RCPT TO: otheruser@otheremail.com > DATA > Subject: Subject header > Message > .. > You get the idea... > > The man page is quite confusing. Is anyone familiar with the syntax and > could give me an example or two of how to make it work? > > Brent > > -- > http://www.matzelle.net > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net > Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug > ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Mon May 1 20:55:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20270; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id UAA27666; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:41:21 -0400 Received: from chaos.n-tropy.com (root@chaos.n-tropy.com [209.71.111.42]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id UAA27621 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:41:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (n-tropy@localhost) by chaos.n-tropy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA03566 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:42:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:42:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Flint Heart To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] /usr/bin/sendmail program w/PHP In-Reply-To: <00050119283200.01102@brm.matzelle.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1377 Lines: 48 www.phpbuilder.com good place to learn things. there should be several examples there. N-Tropy On Mon, 1 May 2000, Brent R. Matzelle wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to figure out how to use that tricky little /usr/sbin/sendmail > program to send a message with PHP. > > I've tried the command: > > exec("/usr/sbin/sendmail < $message_with_headers"); > > and many others but to no effect. I've tried a bunch of different formats for > the mail file too. > > e.g. > MAIL FROM: user@email.com > RCPT TO: otheruser@otheremail.com > DATA > Subject: Subject header > Message > .. > You get the idea... > > The man page is quite confusing. Is anyone familiar with the syntax and > could give me an example or two of how to make it work? > > Brent > > -- > http://www.matzelle.net > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net > Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug > ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 06:34:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03216; Tue, 2 May 2000 06:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (www-data@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id GAA19965; Tue, 2 May 2000 06:34:14 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc2.pa.home.com (ha2.rdc2.pa.home.com [24.12.106.195]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id UAA28988 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:47:44 -0400 From: multiman1@home.com X-Authentication-Warning: nitrous.nothinbut.net: Host ha2.rdc2.pa.home.com [24.12.106.195] claimed to be mail.rdc2.pa.home.com Received: from theforce.home.org ([24.11.61.115]) by mail.rdc2.pa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20000502004739.HETP25911.mail.rdc2.pa.home.com@theforce.home.org> for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:47:39 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.4 on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00050119283200.01102@brm.matzelle.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 20:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Organization: home To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: RE: [PLUG] /usr/bin/sendmail program w/PHP Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1624 Lines: 59 Brent, Is here any reason why you do not want to use the build-in php mail command? For example mail("e-mail-address@somewhere.com","Mail Subject",$string_with_message); Garth Nielsen On 01-May-2000 Brent R. Matzelle wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to figure out how to use that tricky little /usr/sbin/sendmail > program to send a message with PHP. > > I've tried the command: > > exec("/usr/sbin/sendmail < $message_with_headers"); > > and many others but to no effect. I've tried a bunch of different formats > for > the mail file too. > > e.g. > MAIL FROM: user@email.com > RCPT TO: otheruser@otheremail.com > DATA > Subject: Subject header > Message > .. > You get the idea... > > The man page is quite confusing. Is anyone familiar with the syntax and > could give me an example or two of how to make it work? > > Brent > > -- > http://www.matzelle.net > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net > Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug ---------------------------------- E-Mail: multiman1@home.com Date: 01-May-2000 Time: 20:46:07 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 06:34:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03231; Tue, 2 May 2000 06:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (www-data@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id GAA20023; Tue, 2 May 2000 06:34:20 -0400 Received: from post2.fast.net (post2.fast.net [198.69.204.22]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id MAA27953 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:50:05 -0400 Received: from yahoo.com (maxtnt14-abe-136.fast.net [209.92.92.136]) by post2.fast.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29594 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <390DAEB2.64A74557@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:20:02 -0400 From: No Name Provided Organization: No Company Provided X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] Firewall question... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 521 Lines: 21 I had this same question a few weeks past. What was my answer, check out this book it will give you all the answers to your questions. Title: Linux Firewalls By: Robert L. Ziegler Publisher: New Riders ISBN: 0-7357-0900-9 -jimS ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 06:41:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03930; Tue, 2 May 2000 06:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id GAA21664; Tue, 2 May 2000 06:41:35 -0400 Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id GAA21254; Tue, 2 May 2000 06:39:36 -0400 Received: from access.netaxs.com (access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id GAA21232 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 06:39:34 -0400 Received: (from bj@localhost) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id GAA18428; Tue, 2 May 2000 06:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 06:39:31 -0400 (EDT) To: plug-announce@lists.nothinbut.net Message-ID: X-Ambivalence: Maybe X-Geek: Yes X-OS: Linux 2.2.13 (SuSE 6.3 Slackware 7.0) X-Mascot: Tux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: plug-announce-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Low-traffic PLUG announcements list X-BeenThere: plug-announce@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: [PLUG] [PLUG-Announce] Reminder: PLUG meeting tomorrow night Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1215 Lines: 28 As a brief (2nd) reminder, we'll be having our monthly meeting tomorrow night. There, of course, is no charge, and the meeting will be approximately 19:00-21:00 (7:00pm-9:00pm). The topic of the talk will be about Data Display Debugger (http://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/). More details, directions, pictures, and other information is available at http://plug.nothinbut.net/meetings.html. Bill -- >Ever heard of .cshrc? That's a city in Bosnia. Right? (Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands.) Harry Browne for President: http://www.harrybrowne2000.org/ Visit me at http://www.netaxs.com/~bj/ ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 10:20:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04179; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id KAA02389; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:20:20 -0400 Received: from brm.matzelle.net ([206.181.181.73]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id KAA02305 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:20:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nitrous.nothinbut.net: Host [206.181.181.73] claimed to be brm.matzelle.net Received: (qmail 745 invoked from network); 2 May 2000 14:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO brm.matzelle.net) (brent@206.181.181.73) by 206.181.181.73 with SMTP; 2 May 2000 14:20:19 -0000 From: "Brent R. Matzelle" To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: RE: [PLUG] /usr/bin/sendmail program w/PHP Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:11:12 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00050210201900.00732@brm.matzelle.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 2807 Lines: 92 Yes, the client web site that I am developing is on a web host that has informed me that they do not support that function. Instead I have to utilized the PHP 'exec' function. The program should work fine except for some reason PHP causes anything within the greater-than / less-than (< >) to disappear. For example: To: Jim Fakeemail <$Jims_mail> From: His Friend <$His_friends_email> Subject: Hello Jim! Message body PHP erases all text within those signs: To: Jim Fakeemail <> From: His Friend <> Subject: Hello Jim! Message body and so /usr/sbin/sendmail -t < $message_with_the_above_headers obviously doesn't work. I'm not sure if it's a problem with PHP but there seems to be that possibility. Brent On Mon, 01 May 2000, you wrote: > Brent, > > Is here any reason why you do not want to use the build-in php mail command? > > For example > > mail("e-mail-address@somewhere.com","Mail Subject",$string_with_message); > > Garth Nielsen > > On 01-May-2000 Brent R. Matzelle wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm trying to figure out how to use that tricky little /usr/sbin/sendmail > > program to send a message with PHP. > > > > I've tried the command: > > > > exec("/usr/sbin/sendmail < $message_with_headers"); > > > > and many others but to no effect. I've tried a bunch of different formats > > for > > the mail file too. > > > > e.g. > > MAIL FROM: user@email.com > > RCPT TO: otheruser@otheremail.com > > DATA > > Subject: Subject header > > Message > > .. > > You get the idea... > > > > The man page is quite confusing. Is anyone familiar with the syntax and > > could give me an example or two of how to make it work? > > > > Brent > > > > -- > > http://www.matzelle.net > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net > > Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce > > General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug > > ---------------------------------- > E-Mail: multiman1@home.com > Date: 01-May-2000 > Time: 20:46:07 > > This message was sent by XFMail > ---------------------------------- > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net > Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug -- http://www.matzelle.net ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 10:45:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08960; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id KAA07879; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:45:06 -0400 Received: from renoir.op.net (root@renoir.op.net [207.29.195.4]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id KAA07791 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:45:00 -0400 Received: from monet.op.net (darxus@monet.op.net [207.29.195.3]) by renoir.op.net (o1/$Revision: 1.18 $) with ESMTP id KAA03380; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (darxus@localhost) by monet.op.net ($Revision: 1.2 $) with ESMTP id KAA09743; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:44:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: monet.op.net: darxus owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:44:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Darxus To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net cc: gleeson@zdial.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [PLUG] no contact from tomorrow's speaker Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1341 Lines: 32 I emailed our speaker for tomorrow, gleeson@zdial.com (on the subject of the data display debugger) on 4/26 & 5/1 to verify that he was prepaired for his presentation, and have gotten no reply. It occurred to me thismorning as I was smacking the snooze bar that I should have mentioned this earlier incase somebody else wanted to attempt a presentation. If anybody's got other contact info for gleeson@zdial.com, I'd appreciate having it. Feel free to give him my number here at work - 215-925-4500x301 (yes, my voicemail says the wrong name). So either * gleeson@zdial.com responds before the meeting tomorrow, or just shows up to do his thing * somebody else decides to do a last minute presentation * we do a round table discussion We haven't done a round table discussion since April 1999. __________________________________________________________________ PGP fingerprint = 03 5B 9B A0 16 33 91 2F A5 77 BC EE 43 71 98 D4 darxus@op.net / http://www.op.net/~darxus There is no fine line between genius and insanity. ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 10:55:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10889; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id KAA10034; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:54:53 -0400 Received: from neo.jasons.org (narf@neo.jasons.org [146.145.141.130]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id KAA10003 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:54:49 -0400 Received: by neo.jasons.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 9F5FA10158; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:56:42 -0400 From: Jason Costomiris To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] /usr/bin/sendmail program w/PHP Message-ID: <20000502105642.A20125@jasons.org> References: <00050119283200.01102@brm.matzelle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <00050119283200.01102@brm.matzelle.net>; from bmatzelle@yahoo.com on Mon, May 01, 2000 at 07:22:35PM -0400 Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1070 Lines: 29 On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 07:22:35PM -0400, Brent R. Matzelle wrote: : I'm trying to figure out how to use that tricky little /usr/sbin/sendmail : program to send a message with PHP. You want the mail() function. This example assumes: 1) you set the $to var to the address you want the mail to go to. 2) you get the person's name as $name 3) you get the person's email as $email 4) you get the email subject as $subject 5) you get the message body as $body \nX-IP: %s", $name, $email, $REMOTE_ADDR); mail($to, stripslashes($subject), stripslashes($body), $extra_headers); ?> -- Jason Costomiris <>< | Technologist, geek, human. jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/ ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 10:56:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11201; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id KAA10336; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:56:16 -0400 Received: from chaos.n-tropy.com (root@chaos.n-tropy.com [209.71.111.42]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id KAA10244 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:56:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (n-tropy@localhost) by chaos.n-tropy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA04666 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 06:57:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 06:57:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Flint Heart To: PLUG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [PLUG] Transportation Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 376 Lines: 10 Anyone willing go give someone a lift from kop for tomorrow's meeting. Laters N-Tropy ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 10:56:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11284; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id KAA10474; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:56:34 -0400 Received: from neo.jasons.org (narf@neo.jasons.org [146.145.141.130]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id KAA10423 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:56:29 -0400 Received: by neo.jasons.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 3A19010158; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:58:23 -0400 From: Jason Costomiris To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] /usr/bin/sendmail program w/PHP Message-ID: <20000502105823.B20125@jasons.org> References: <00050210201900.00732@brm.matzelle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <00050210201900.00732@brm.matzelle.net>; from bmatzelle@yahoo.com on Tue, May 02, 2000 at 10:11:12AM -0400 Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 952 Lines: 18 On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 10:11:12AM -0400, Brent R. Matzelle wrote: : Yes, the client web site that I am developing is on a web host that has : informed me that they do not support that function. Instead I have to utilized : the PHP 'exec' function. The program should work fine except for some reason : PHP causes anything within the greater-than / less-than (< >) to disappear. How can the web host "not support" an internal PHP function??? If they built PHP, it's in there. PHP looks for sendmail as /usr/sbin/sendmail -t by default. -- Jason Costomiris <>< | Technologist, geek, human. jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/ ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 11:26:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16591; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id LAA16649; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:25:52 -0400 Received: from renoir.op.net (root@renoir.op.net [207.29.195.4]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id LAA16614 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:25:48 -0400 Received: from monet.op.net (darxus@monet.op.net [207.29.195.3]) by renoir.op.net (o1/$Revision: 1.18 $) with ESMTP id LAA07531 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (darxus@localhost) by monet.op.net ($Revision: 1.2 $) with ESMTP id LAA10033 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:25:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: monet.op.net: darxus owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:25:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Darxus To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [PLUG] the data display debugger presentation will happen Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 739 Lines: 24 We have contact... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:19:39 -0400 From: Francis Gleeson To: darxus@op.net Subject: presentation I am planning to do the presentation. I have been having trouble with my ISP at home so I am sending this hopefully redundant email. I am bringing a notebook that I will want to plug into the projection equipment it has a SVGA port on the back and I am assuming that is all thats required. ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 12:29:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27361; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id MAA28836; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:24:00 -0400 Received: from server5.annance.com (host2.lindenint.com [63.82.140.2] (may be forged)) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id MAA28806 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:23:56 -0400 From: rscudder@annance.com X-Authentication-Warning: nitrous.nothinbut.net: Host host2.lindenint.com [63.82.140.2] (may be forged) claimed to be server5.annance.com Subject: Re: [PLUG] Transportation To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0 March 30, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:20:51 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on server5/Annance(Release 5.0.2b |December 16, 1999) at 05/02/2000 12:20:53 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 661 Lines: 32 Flint... I can probably get you there but I won't be going back to KOP after. I'll be going home to Upper Darby. Let me know if you are still interested. Roger Scudder Developer\Consultant Annance Consulting Wayne, PA, USA (610) 964-8545-32 Anyone willing go give someone a lift from kop for tomorrow's meeting. Laters N-Tropy ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 12:53:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03095; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id MAA02668; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:53:00 -0400 Received: from infinity.stf.org (qmailr@cn479784-a.wall1.pa.home.com [24.40.33.98]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id MAA02634 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:52:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nitrous.nothinbut.net: Host qmailr@cn479784-a.wall1.pa.home.com [24.40.33.98] claimed to be infinity.stf.org Received: (qmail 803 invoked by uid 102); 2 May 2000 16:52:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (mg@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 May 2000 16:52:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:52:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Laudadio To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] Elite port In-Reply-To: <200005021430.KAA18400@bcnet-a.buxcom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 2071 Lines: 52 By "filtered" do you mean that the port is open but there are some firewall rules in place governing what can and cannot get to it? By "varying levels of Linux" do you mean various linux distributions or one distribution with different packages installed on each? Anyhow, port 31337 is the port that backoriface uses. Backoriface is a trojan horse program for windows. Of course, that doesn't mean someone hasn't installed a trojan program on a linux box and made it use 31337. You can list your open ports and what process is using which port by issuing the command: netstat -tap You'll have to do this as root if you want to see everything otherwise, it'll only list the processes for processes that you own. If your linux install had this port open by default, then this is definately a bad thing. It shouldn't be there period. Did you download your distribution from a reputable site? mg On Tue, 2 May 2000, Alexander John Batyi wrote: > > Hey, > I just ran nmap against a couple of hosts with varying levels > of Linux installed on a site and found filtered ports for 31337 > on all of them. I think this is bad (as in not a good thing) right? > > Other machines I checked not on this site do not respond to this > port. I just recently installed a new version of the OS on > one machine and it already has this port open (filtered actually). > > Anyone see this before? Maybe you know what process name to look for. > > -bud > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net > Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug > ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 13:00:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03959; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id MAA03552; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:56:41 -0400 Received: from infinity.stf.org (qmailr@cn479784-a.wall1.pa.home.com [24.40.33.98]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id MAA03515 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:56:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nitrous.nothinbut.net: Host qmailr@cn479784-a.wall1.pa.home.com [24.40.33.98] claimed to be infinity.stf.org Received: (qmail 828 invoked by uid 102); 2 May 2000 16:56:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (mg@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 May 2000 16:56:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:56:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Laudadio To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] /usr/bin/sendmail program w/PHP In-Reply-To: <20000502105823.B20125@jasons.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1161 Lines: 26 On Tue, 2 May 2000, Jason Costomiris wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 10:11:12AM -0400, Brent R. Matzelle wrote: > : Yes, the client web site that I am developing is on a web host that has > : informed me that they do not support that function. Instead I have to utilized > : the PHP 'exec' function. The program should work fine except for some reason > : PHP causes anything within the greater-than / less-than (< >) to disappear. > > How can the web host "not support" an internal PHP function??? If they built > PHP, it's in there. PHP looks for sendmail as /usr/sbin/sendmail -t by > default. It's possible that php on that host was not compiled with support for that function. There are plenty of "built-in" php functions that can be explicitly included or excluded with the configure script. mail() may be one of them, but I dont know that for certain. mg ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 13:05:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05677; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id NAA05482; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:04:51 -0400 Received: from brm.matzelle.net ([206.181.181.73]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id NAA05453 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:04:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nitrous.nothinbut.net: Host [206.181.181.73] claimed to be brm.matzelle.net Received: (qmail 930 invoked from network); 2 May 2000 17:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO brm.matzelle.net) (brent@206.181.181.73) by 206.181.181.73 with SMTP; 2 May 2000 17:04:59 -0000 From: "Brent R. Matzelle" To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] /usr/bin/sendmail program w/PHP Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:00:18 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain References: <00050210201900.00732@brm.matzelle.net> <20000502105823.B20125@jasons.org> In-Reply-To: <20000502105823.B20125@jasons.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00050213045904.00732@brm.matzelle.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1702 Lines: 36 Unfortunately the issue with me is that I'm forced to use the sendmail program. And to answer a question used before, when I did attempt to use the mail function it did in fact give me a message stating that the mail function was not set up. Does anyone have any advice on my course of action, especially with that wierd disappearing email address problem? Brent On Tue, 02 May 2000, you wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 10:11:12AM -0400, Brent R. Matzelle wrote: > : Yes, the client web site that I am developing is on a web host that has > : informed me that they do not support that function. Instead I have to utilized > : the PHP 'exec' function. The program should work fine except for some reason > : PHP causes anything within the greater-than / less-than (< >) to disappear. > > How can the web host "not support" an internal PHP function??? If they built > PHP, it's in there. PHP looks for sendmail as /usr/sbin/sendmail -t by > default. > > -- > Jason Costomiris <>< | Technologist, geek, human. > jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net > Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug -- http://www.matzelle.net ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 13:06:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05890; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id NAA05678; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:05:51 -0400 Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id NAA05647 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:05:46 -0400 From: DrexelDG@aol.com Received: from DrexelDG@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id g.d9.3951e8b (3979) for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:05:07 EDT To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Subject: [PLUG] A simple question... Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 589 Lines: 17 How do I make changes to the /etc/services file And reactive the changes WITHOUT rebooting my machine? :P Its along the lines of the firewall questions I had yesterday.... I want to deny some services to all uses by commenting them out in aforementioned file.... thanks for your help all. Anthony ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 13:24:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09348; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id NAA09619; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:24:19 -0400 Received: from infinity.stf.org (qmailr@cn479784-a.wall1.pa.home.com [24.40.33.98]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id NAA09566 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:24:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nitrous.nothinbut.net: Host qmailr@cn479784-a.wall1.pa.home.com [24.40.33.98] claimed to be infinity.stf.org Received: (qmail 952 invoked by uid 102); 2 May 2000 17:23:54 -0000 Received: from localhost (mg@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 May 2000 17:23:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:23:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Laudadio To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] A simple question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 2401 Lines: 61 Removing something from /etc/services will not turn that service off. The /etc/services file is just a useful list of well-known port numbers. It *is* used by the system but not for determining what services should be running. It's use is best illustrated by a example. When I issue the command "netstat -ta" I see the following line (among others): tcp 0 0 *:ssh *:* LISTEN Right away I know that this port is a ssh port. I have the following line in /etc/services: ssh 22/tcp If I didn't have that line the output from the netstat command would have been: tcp 0 0 *:22 *:* LISTEN Not all that informative unless I already know what port 22 is for. On to what you want to do.... Most of the services that may be running will probably be in /etc/inetd.conf. Just find the line in /etc/inetd.conf where a particular service is configured and comment it out (or delete it if you're sure you'll never want it again). Then issue the command "killall -HUP inetd". This will restart the inetd and all the services you got rid of will be gone. You might have services running that aren't listed in /etc/inetd.conf. For example, the default slackware install starts a few Sun RPC services that aren't listed in inetd.conf. You'll have to go through your rc.* scripts to find out where they are being started and remove them. On Tue, 2 May 2000 DrexelDG@aol.com wrote: > How do I make changes to the > > /etc/services file > > And reactive the changes WITHOUT rebooting my machine? > :P > > Its along the lines of the firewall questions I had yesterday.... I want to > deny some services to all uses by commenting them out in aforementioned > file.... thanks for your help all. > > Anthony > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net > Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug > ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 13:27:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09831; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id NAA10353; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:27:01 -0400 Received: from falstaff.isc-net.upenn.edu (FALSTAFF.ISC-NET.UPENN.EDU [130.91.72.121]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id NAA10272 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:26:53 -0400 Received: (from magill@localhost) by falstaff.isc-net.upenn.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e42HQrT02139; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:26:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "William H. Magill" Message-Id: <200005021726.e42HQrT02139@falstaff.isc-net.upenn.edu> To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: [PLUG] DSL costs and pricing issues Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 8615 Lines: 151 > > > "$15/month Netaxs charge, $40/month Bell charge for 640k down, 90k up. > > > $40/month Netaxs charge, $60/month Bell charge for 1.6M down, 90k up. " > > > > > > Why do they charge more, just for a faster connection? I can maybe > > > understand Bell charging more for higher bandwidth, but why the ISP? > > > > Because you'll have the ability to use more of our available bandwidth, > > which isn't infinite, and costs us money. It's the same reason why we > > charge more for a T1 than we do a T3, and why collocation charges are > > based on bandwidth utilization. > > You charge *more* for a T1 than a T3 because of *bandwidth utilization*? Communications pricing has rarely had anything to do with actual costs. Pricing always been viewed a way to regulate demand. Today's pricing games are all artifacts of the fact the telecom people have no idea how to live in a competitive market. They still think they are in a regulated market. T1s were (and still are) priced high because they were priced back in the days when everything was regulated. There was a well defined ritual involved in pricing in front of the PUC. The RBOCs were encouraged to find as many costs as possible to associate with a product when they made their tariff requests because they would likely only get a portion of their request. That made the regulators look good -- they were cutting costs; and the made RBOCs look "subservient" to the public interests. The end result was that the total costs associated with a product was divided by some number of probable purchasers at some ridiculously high price, and it therefore resulted is a large number being divided by a small number which resulted in the fact that a T1 line costs 10 or 100 times times what the real cost to provide the service is. Now you say - wait a minute, that can't be true. But look at the facts. A T1 line costs around $400 per month to one CO (there are distance issues.) A DSL line costs $49 per month to one CO. What is the difference between the two? The T1 line is 1.5 meg baud, the DSL is is 1.6meg baud. Oops...Besides cost, what is the difference in the service? Hmmm... The next term is "Dis-intermediation." Bell has LOTS of T1 customers paying $400 per month. Suppose they allowed that same 1.6 meg up-link speed. All of s sudden, bell looses its T1 customers to DSL. A WHOPPING BIG loss in revenue. Bell is scared shitless about loosing that revenue. They never heard of the "big box" theory of retailing. No ISP out there today ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD is capable of providing the kind of bandwidth needed to support the connections they are currently selling. That is the reason that no ISP will offer you any kind of connection guarantee [AKA, Service Level Agreement] that is not riddled with "circumstances beyond our control" clauses. (And by ISP, I am including the "big boys" MCI, UUnet, Sprint, Worldnet, Cable and Wireless, etc. Local ISPs are just a change in scale.) They all know that except for very tightly controlled situations, the existing demand for bandwidth far exceeds current and projected capacities. Cost has nothing to do with it. The capacity simply isn't there at any price -- today. All ISPs, and RBOCs work on something called a "fill rate" -- their "best guess" (or prediction) as to how many of their "subscribers" will really be using the service. They work from the bottom up - buy a pipe, fill it up, buy a bigger pipe. This is very different from the Electric Utility business, which bases its pricing strategy on "peak load demand." And whose plant is based on the worst case scenario -- what happens when everybody turns on the TV at the same time. (Like after a power outage.) They MUST be capable of providing for that instantaneous peak or they would never get back on line. Why on earth should co-location charges be based on bandwidth? Co-location means square footage necessary to physically locate equipment. Then you string some circuits between your location and somebody else's location, nominally an RBOC. Co-location actually DRAMATICALLY cuts the cost of those circuits because you are no longer dealing with long wires, but just a bunch of short jumpers. Yes, it is true that in order for the RBOC to provide you with a circuit that they have to install equipment that they would not otherwise install. But that is a capital cost of doing business. That cost is (supposed to be) borne by the stock holders. It is the investment made to enable them to do business. In communications, Pricing is done to control demand and to a lesser extent control usage. It is only very recently that the concept that "lower price means more sales" has begun to creep into the industry. Cellular telephone rates are a good example. There were two problems associated with the slow initial consumption of "Cellular minutes." First they were expensive, and second, they were priced based on "actual usage." Pricing based on actual usage sounds good at first. But it means that your bill is very, very volatile, and with very few exceptions, it means that you really have no control over that volatility -- especially when the charge per-unit of usage is high. So ATT pioneered the "one-rate" scheme in Texas -- usage and "market penetration" went through the roof! Global Crossing did the same thing with "dark fibre." They strung Fibre Optic cables across the Atlantic and sold them for a small fraction of the rates being charged by everyone else - they have been incredibly successful. While others have unsold capacity, Global Crossing is laying more as fast as it can -- and that all based on the old Fibre technologies of 2 years ago! Today, finally, there are options in the T-circuit game. PECO Hyperion has its own cable and fibre plant as do others, and the result is that T-circuit costs are finally dropping. So If I want a DSL circuit from my house to someplace else, I only have to rely on Bell for that last mile (today, but maybe not forever.) If I pick COVAD as my DSL provider, they buy a "dry-copper" pair from Bell from my home back to my CO. In that CO, Bell connects that circuit to COVAD's "switch" in COVAD's "co-located" corner of the building. There is no bandwidth involved in the transaction. Strictly hard-copper from my home to COVAD. Next COVAD links their CO equipment to the MCI POP via a PECO Hyperion Fibre Circuit. That PECO circuit is NOT terminated in Bell's part of the CO, but rather in COVAD's.... Bell has nothing to do with the cost, except to charge some rent for the conduit. (What they may try to get away with charging for is a separate issue.) I've been somewhat simplistic (but not much), and have glossed over some of the "risk factors" normally included. But the pricing game is changing fast. George Gilder describes the new era -- "infinite and free" -- Virtually Infinite Bandwidth at virtually no cost. It's not here yet, but it will be in 3-5 years. Companies are having a very difficult time with the reality of the pent-up demands for bandwidth. The Bell Atlantic DSL rollout has been a glorious case study of how to underestimate demand -- you might think they were taking lessons from Apple. Price is much, much less an issue than performance, and it has been now for at least 5 years. Talk in the industry is that Bell Atlantic will in fact, up their default up-link speed from 90K to 1.6 within the next 3 months as they upgrade to the next generation of DSLAMs. The latest issue of CE-Pro, a magazine for the Custom Electronics installation industry, has an article about why any CE shop should buy a DSLAM from Cisco (the 6400) for $13K and go into the DSL business -- probably supports 64 or 128 ports in the base model, expands up to 14,000! Quite an interesting box with fascinating capabilities, reportedly at 10% of NORTEL's price! http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/6400.htm -- www.tru64unix.compaq.com www.tru64.org comp.unix.tru64 T.T.F.N. William H. Magill Senior Systems Administrator Information Services and Computing (ISC) University of Pennsylvania Internet: magill@isc.upenn.edu magill@acm.org http://www.isc-net.upenn.edu/~magill/ ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 13:38:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11769; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id NAA12784; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:37:44 -0400 Received: from falstaff.isc-net.upenn.edu (FALSTAFF.ISC-NET.UPENN.EDU [130.91.72.121]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id NAA12741 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:37:40 -0400 Received: (from magill@localhost) by falstaff.isc-net.upenn.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e42Hbex23854; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:37:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "William H. Magill" Message-Id: <200005021737.e42Hbex23854@falstaff.isc-net.upenn.edu> To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] Wavelan / Orinoco Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 2043 Lines: 44 > Has anyone here had any experience with wavelan cards (orinoco is the new > name) I am interested in using them for my laptop and to let ppl in my > appartment complex connect to the internet through my sdsl line. I don't > know how well they work with walls in between and their compatability with > the older 2mb cards. The 2mb cards will work perfectly well with the > older pl. Just don't know how well all of this will work. > The Wavelan cards are manufactured by Lucent. These are the same cards used by Apple and Cabletron. 3Com and Aironet (now owned by Cisco) also make compatible 802.11B cards. All of the 802.11B cards we tested last Fall inter-operate without problems. See: The Netowrk World article on the evaluation we did: http://www.nwfusion.com/research/2000/0410feat.html Apple's Airport base station, (or a G4 with the "software base station") is the cheapest and fastest way to setup a "home network" via NAT. All 802.11 products are RF products and suffer from the same issues that your TV signal does - walls, reflections, antenna orientation, etc. I've got a big old victorian with an Airport base on the first floor. It covers internally well, but the brick walls damp it pretty dramatically. Now that it's stopped raining, I'll find out how well it works in the hamock this weekend. -- www.tru64unix.compaq.com www.tru64.org comp.unix.tru64 T.T.F.N. William H. Magill Senior Systems Administrator Information Services and Computing (ISC) University of Pennsylvania Internet: magill@isc.upenn.edu magill@acm.org http://www.isc-net.upenn.edu/~magill/ ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 13:41:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11130; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id NAA11747; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:33:43 -0400 Received: from chuckie.dgms.com (chuckie.dgms.com [38.150.156.4]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id NAA11714 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:33:39 -0400 Received: from earthlink.net (IDENT:lopp@pc-lopp-p.dgms.com [172.25.0.100]) by chuckie.dgms.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18103 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <390F11E9.F66F7D2F@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:35:37 -0400 From: Greg Lopp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] A simple question... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1596 Lines: 40 Joe Laudadio wrote: > Removing something from /etc/services will not turn that service off. The > /etc/services file is just a useful list of well-known port numbers. It > *is* used by the system but not for determining what services should be > running. It's use is best illustrated by a example. When I issue the > command "netstat -ta" I see the following line (among others): > > tcp 0 0 *:ssh *:* LISTEN > > Right away I know that this port is a ssh port. I have the following line > in /etc/services: > > ssh 22/tcp > > If I didn't have that line the output from the netstat command would have > been: > > tcp 0 0 *:22 *:* LISTEN > > Not all that informative unless I already know what port 22 is for. > > On to what you want to do.... > Most of the services that may be running will probably be in > /etc/inetd.conf. Just find the line in /etc/inetd.conf where a particular > service is configured and comment it out (or delete it if you're sure > you'll never want it again). Then issue the command "killall -HUP inetd". > This will restart the inetd and all the services you got rid of will be > gone. ...or call the provided rc script to do this for you /etc/rc.d/init.d/init restart ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 14:33:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23777; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id OAA24447; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:33:31 -0400 Received: from mail.quarterleaf.com (sirius.quarterleaf.com [216.51.54.2]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id OAA24414 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:33:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nitrous.nothinbut.net: Host sirius.quarterleaf.com [216.51.54.2] claimed to be mail.quarterleaf.com Received: from mail.quarterleaf.com ([10.1.1.229]) by mail.quarterleaf.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA473D for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:34:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:32:32 -0500 From: "Vale Kenny" To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] DSL costs and pricing issues Message-ID: <20000502143232.I308@singularity> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Balsa 0.6.0 Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 2770 Lines: 65 BRAVO!!!! THank you for the information on the state of comminucations pricing.. Although, I'd be interested in a lengthier piece detailing the "glossed over" bits you mentioned.. Peace, Vale On Tue, 02 May 2000 12:26:53 William H. Magill wrote: > > > > "$15/month Netaxs charge, $40/month Bell charge for 640k down, 90k up. > > > > $40/month Netaxs charge, $60/month Bell charge for 1.6M down, 90k up. " > > I've been somewhat simplistic (but not much), and have glossed over some of > the "risk factors" normally included. But the pricing game is changing fast. > > George Gilder describes the new era -- "infinite and free" -- Virtually > Infinite Bandwidth at virtually no cost. It's not here yet, but it will be > in 3-5 years. Companies are having a very difficult time with the reality > of the pent-up demands for bandwidth. The Bell Atlantic DSL rollout has > been a glorious case study of how to underestimate demand -- you might > think they were taking lessons from Apple. Price is much, much less an > issue than performance, and it has been now for at least 5 years. > > Talk in the industry is that Bell Atlantic will in fact, up their default > up-link speed from 90K to 1.6 within the next 3 months as they upgrade to > the next generation of DSLAMs. > > The latest issue of CE-Pro, a magazine for the Custom Electronics > installation industry, has an article about why any CE shop should buy a > DSLAM from Cisco (the 6400) for $13K and go into the DSL business -- probably > supports 64 or 128 ports in the base model, expands up to 14,000! Quite > an interesting box with fascinating capabilities, reportedly at 10% of > NORTEL's price! > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/6400.htm > > -- > www.tru64unix.compaq.com > www.tru64.org > comp.unix.tru64 > > T.T.F.N. > William H. Magill Senior Systems Administrator > Information Services and Computing (ISC) University of Pennsylvania > Internet: magill@isc.upenn.edu magill@acm.org > http://www.isc-net.upenn.edu/~magill/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net > Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug > ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 14:40:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24982; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id OAA25808; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:39:48 -0400 Received: from caip.rutgers.edu (caip.rutgers.edu [128.6.236.10]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id OAA25778 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:39:43 -0400 Received: (from msimons@localhost) by caip.rutgers.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29651; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:39:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "M. Simons" To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] DSL costs and pricing issues In-Reply-To: <20000502143232.I308@singularity> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 689 Lines: 16 > Although, I'd be interested in a lengthier piece detailing the "glossed > over" bits you mentioned.. > > On Tue, 02 May 2000 12:26:53 William H. Magill wrote: > > I've been somewhat simplistic (but not much), and have glossed over some of > > the "risk factors" normally included. But the pricing game is changing fast. I wasn't going to say it initially, but I hear a presentation coming on... ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 15:17:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02046; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id PAA01290; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:16:42 -0400 Received: from server5.annance.com (host2.lindenint.com [63.82.140.2] (may be forged)) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id PAA01202 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:16:33 -0400 From: rscudder@annance.com X-Authentication-Warning: nitrous.nothinbut.net: Host host2.lindenint.com [63.82.140.2] (may be forged) claimed to be server5.annance.com Subject: Re: [PLUG] DSL costs and pricing issues To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0 March 30, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:13:27 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on server5/Annance(Release 5.0.2b |December 16, 1999) at 05/02/2000 03:13:30 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 404 Lines: 17 William... Thank you for a great post! Roger Scudder Developer\Consultant Annance Consulting Wayne, PA, USA ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 15:18:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02426; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id PAA01733; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:18:42 -0400 Received: from neo.jasons.org (narf@neo.jasons.org [146.145.141.130]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id PAA01696 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:18:34 -0400 Received: by neo.jasons.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 7FC7810158; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:20:28 -0400 From: Jason Costomiris To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] /usr/bin/sendmail program w/PHP Message-ID: <20000502152028.A20476@jasons.org> References: <20000502105823.B20125@jasons.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from mg@infinity.stf.org on Tue, May 02, 2000 at 12:56:15PM -0400 Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 909 Lines: 19 On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 12:56:15PM -0400, Joe Laudadio wrote: : > PHP, it's in there. PHP looks for sendmail as /usr/sbin/sendmail -t by : > default. : : It's possible that php on that host was not compiled with support for that : function. There are plenty of "built-in" php functions that can be : explicitly included or excluded with the configure script. mail() may be : one of them, but I dont know that for certain. mail() is definitely not one of the things that can be turned on or off... -- Jason Costomiris <>< | Technologist, geek, human. jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/ ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 21:19:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29005; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id VAA12045; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:19:34 -0400 Received: from renoir.op.net (root@renoir.op.net [207.29.195.4] (may be forged)) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id VAA11996 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:19:30 -0400 Received: from monet.op.net (darxus@monet.op.net [207.29.195.3]) by renoir.op.net (o1/$Revision: 1.18 $) with ESMTP id VAA14259 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (darxus@localhost) by monet.op.net ($Revision: 1.2 $) with ESMTP id VAA13173 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:19:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: monet.op.net: darxus owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:19:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Darxus To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [PLUG] chess Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1733 Lines: 37 I have some interest in chess. The recent slashdot article on solving chess (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/04/20/019221), a subject I've pondered a bit, caused this interest to resurface. I have begun playing with 3 neat toys. In order: GNU chess (ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/chess or package name gnuchess): This is an AI that will play against you. I generally get about 18 moves before getting checkmated. It's got a very primitave text interface that I wouldn't want to spend much time using. But it's compatible with... xboard: A chess gui. That's all. It won't play you. But it will work as a frontend to gnu chess, and... www.freechess.org: Very neat. They have GUIs for like, everything (they suggest xboard for linux). Run "xboard -ics -icshost freechess.org" and it'll load up xboard, and start a telnet like connection to freechess.org. You can log in, and find other people to play against, and then play them. Looks like I got 41 moves before getting mated with this random guy in an unrated game. He must have sucked :) I'm going to go get my ass whupped in a rated game now. Feel free to connect to freechess.org & "tell Darxus I'm here to kick your ass." __________________________________________________________________ PGP fingerprint = 03 5B 9B A0 16 33 91 2F A5 77 BC EE 43 71 98 D4 darxus@op.net / http://www.op.net/~darxus There is no fine line between genius and insanity. ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 21:50:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04733; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id VAA18428; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:49:45 -0400 Received: from access.netaxs.com (access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id VAA18375 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:49:40 -0400 Received: (from bj@localhost) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA09248; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:49:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Jonas To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] Transportation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Ambivalence: Maybe X-Geek: Yes X-OS: Linux 2.2.13 (SuSE 6.3 Slackware 7.0) X-Mascot: Tux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 867 Lines: 23 On Tue, 2 May 2000 rscudder@annance.com wrote: >I can probably get you there but I won't be going back to KOP after. I'll >be going home to Upper Darby. >Let me know if you are still interested. Hey, I've got to go to Conshy after the meeting for work, and KoP's not that much farther. I'm willing to give you a ride back. Bill -- >Ever heard of .cshrc? That's a city in Bosnia. Right? (Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands.) Harry Browne for President: http://www.harrybrowne2000.org/ Visit me at http://www.netaxs.com/~bj/ ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 22:36:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10878; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id WAA28227; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:36:19 -0400 Received: from chaos.n-tropy.com (root@chaos.n-tropy.com [209.71.111.42]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id WAA28183 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:36:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (n-tropy@localhost) by chaos.n-tropy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA05396 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:37:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:37:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Flint Heart To: PLUG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [PLUG] computers. Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 823 Lines: 17 i lost a computer at the begining of the year. and tonight i come home and i hit the power. Nada. i switch to a different socket(different surge protector). *BLAM* sparks and that acidic electrical fire smell. well there goes my athlon system. the mb is toast. not a clue about anything else. but i'm not expecting much. looks like i'm going to have to dish out another 800 or so. Anyone got any ways for me to find out what component killed it(i'm betting on the PS) I'm ticked and i wana vent at some company. Laters N-Tropy ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 22:41:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA11516; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id WAA29364; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:40:56 -0400 Received: from renoir.op.net (root@renoir.op.net [207.29.195.4]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id WAA29308 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:40:52 -0400 Received: from monet.op.net (darxus@monet.op.net [207.29.195.3]) by renoir.op.net (o1/$Revision: 1.18 $) with ESMTP id WAA19833 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (darxus@localhost) by monet.op.net ($Revision: 1.2 $) with ESMTP id WAA13504 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:40:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: monet.op.net: darxus owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:40:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Darxus To: PLUG Subject: Re: [PLUG] computers. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1281 Lines: 25 On Tue, 2 May 2000, Flint Heart wrote: > i lost a computer at the begining of the year. > and tonight i come home and i hit the power. Nada. > i switch to a different socket(different surge protector). *BLAM* sparks > and that acidic electrical fire smell. well there goes my athlon > system. the mb is toast. not a clue about anything else. but i'm not > expecting much. looks like i'm going to have to dish out another 800 or > so. Anyone got any ways for me to find out what component killed it(i'm > betting on the PS) I'm ticked and i wana vent at some company. Wasn't your house the other place where I plugged in my surge protector & the wiring fault light lit up ? (heh, I just noticed that I orignally mistyped "surge" "sugar") __________________________________________________________________ PGP fingerprint = 03 5B 9B A0 16 33 91 2F A5 77 BC EE 43 71 98 D4 darxus@op.net / http://www.op.net/~darxus There is no fine line between genius and insanity. ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 23:18:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA16317; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id XAA04715; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:18:30 -0400 Received: from renoir.op.net (root@renoir.op.net [207.29.195.4]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id XAA04667 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:18:23 -0400 Received: from monet.op.net (darxus@monet.op.net [207.29.195.3]) by renoir.op.net (o1/$Revision: 1.18 $) with ESMTP id XAA22132 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (darxus@localhost) by monet.op.net ($Revision: 1.2 $) with ESMTP id XAA13584 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:18:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: monet.op.net: darxus owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:18:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Darxus To: PLUG Subject: Re: [PLUG] testing outlets (computers.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 614 Lines: 14 So how would one go about thoroughly testing an outlet, or getting it tested ? __________________________________________________________________ PGP fingerprint = 03 5B 9B A0 16 33 91 2F A5 77 BC EE 43 71 98 D4 darxus@op.net / http://www.op.net/~darxus There is no fine line between genius and insanity. ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Tue May 2 23:19:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA16447; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id XAA05057; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:19:36 -0400 Received: from alpha.pha.adelphia.net (alpha.pha.adelphia.net [24.48.18.2]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id XAA04987 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:19:31 -0400 Received: from teklogic1.com (surf15-168.pha.adelphia.net [24.48.16.168]) by alpha.pha.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA02896 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005030319.XAA02896@alpha.pha.adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 23:28:03 -0400 From: "Thomas E. Keiser" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] computers. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1493 Lines: 36 If you go to the AMD site, you will see that the Athlon has VERY specific and strict rules for the case, power supply, and motherboard. If your parts didn't make the grade, then blame the box builder. Tom Flint Heart wrote: > i lost a computer at the begining of the year. > and tonight i come home and i hit the power. Nada. > i switch to a different socket(different surge protector). *BLAM* sparks > and that acidic electrical fire smell. well there goes my athlon > system. the mb is toast. not a clue about anything else. but i'm not > expecting much. looks like i'm going to have to dish out another 800 or > so. Anyone got any ways for me to find out what component killed it(i'm > betting on the PS) I'm ticked and i wana vent at some company. > > Laters > N-Tropy > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net > Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug -- A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk, I have a work station...... ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Wed May 3 06:53:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA25609; Wed, 3 May 2000 06:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (www-data@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id GAA32671; Wed, 3 May 2000 06:52:54 -0400 Received: from MailAndNews.com (MailAndNews.com [199.29.68.160]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id GAA24138 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 06:13:16 -0400 Received: from mailandnews.com [208.58.239.14] (scatterbrained@mailandnews.com); Wed, 3 May 2000 06:13:12 -0400 X-WM-Posted-At: MailAndNews.com; Wed, 3 May 00 06:13:12 -0400 Message-ID: <390FFBB6.7145527B@mailandnews.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 06:13:10 -0400 From: Martin DiViaio Organization: Yea, right. Me? Organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13-22mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] testing outlets (computers.) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 992 Lines: 21 Darxus wrote: > > So how would one go about thoroughly testing an outlet, or getting it > tested ? > There are wiring testers for outlets that will check to make sure that it is wired correctly (i.e. The hot and netural are on the correct sides and the ground isn't hot.) There really isn't too much that you can test on an outlet - the wiring is just too simple. Variations in voltage are the electric companies' problem and the only real solution to this is to use a UPS with heavy surge protection. The testers are a good idea in any computer tool kit. You wouldn't believe how many times I've had people complaining that their computer refuses to start when the problem is a bad/not working outlet. ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Wed May 3 07:40:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00221; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id HAA09816; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:40:06 -0400 Received: from access.netaxs.com (access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id HAA09728 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:39:59 -0400 Received: (from bj@localhost) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id HAA22297; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:39:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Jonas To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Message-ID: X-Ambivalence: Maybe X-Geek: Yes X-OS: Linux 2.2.13 (SuSE 6.3 Slackware 7.0) X-Mascot: Tux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [PLUG] AMD vs Intel, 486DX4/100 Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 617 Lines: 17 Anybody know if those particular chips are pinout- and pin-layout-compatible? Bill -- >Ever heard of .cshrc? That's a city in Bosnia. Right? (Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands.) Harry Browne for President: http://www.harrybrowne2000.org/ Visit me at http://www.netaxs.com/~bj/ ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Wed May 3 08:47:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08142; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id IAA23611; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:47:40 -0400 Received: from shrsys.hslc.org (SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG [192.100.94.3]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id IAA23579 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:47:35 -0400 Received: from mismarc (FW.PCOM.EDU [206.231.160.7]) by SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG (PMDF V5.2-32 #39799) with SMTP id <01JOYH5163VG96ECJF@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG> for plug@lists.nothinbut.net; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:47:05 EDT Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 08:54:54 -0400 From: marc Subject: RE: [PLUG] System Crash In-reply-to: <3A589D50.300BA5A3@quarterleaf.com> To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 3061 Lines: 83 If the MB uses jumpers to set speed and voltage set them to the correct settings. If that doesn't help use an ISA video card and use the minimum amount of RAM. If the machine does not POST swap the power supply. If no POST and the video is good then bad CPU or bad MB or bad RAM. Process of elimination. If it starts to work start adding components until it fails. I have experienced the same thing when a proc fan failed. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net [mailto:plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net]On Behalf Of vkenny Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 11:46 AM To: tech@neverlight.com; geeks@quarterleaf.com; plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: [PLUG] System Crash First My apologies to those recieving this in duplicate and triplicate, my apologies Second, to the PLUG list, this is not exactly a Linux question, but i'm desperate... Last night at 10:15, my system frose, no ping nada.. surprising, but no big deal, just reboot, wait through the tests, fortunately all was well this morning when I went to polish off sme work I had done, the thing froze again, now I was worried..again dead.. reboot again..and nothing.. Hardware in question ASUS P2L97 MoBo PII 300 overclocked to 337 Mhz runs at 92 deg. F. 150 Mb SDRAM Adaptec 2940 U SCSI adapter seagate drives 2 barracudas, 1 hawk. the hawk is in an external array Diamond V550 Video card AGP no, I have not hot plugged the keyboard.. I think thats all of the pertinent hardware Symptoms.. on boot the screen is black, no POST, nothing, not a flicker the fans kick in, and the drices spin, including the array. the light on the 2940 comes on steady no floppy twitch for boot.. CDRoms flicker then stop the drives attempt to boot based on the sound they are making, then stop after about 15 seconds the light for the 2940 never budges, steady on that's it. What I've done.. pulled the drives and dusted them all, making sure there was no particles on the connections or chips pulled the RAM and CPU and dusted dusted the MoBo Pulled the cards and dusted slots and cards ckecked all wires and ribbon cables for wear, all are intact obviously reconnected everything suggestions? This is my primary work system, with all of my work, and backups, email, everything..basically, I'm F*ed without it. I did notice that on one of the smaller (really descriptive, ain't it?) chips on the MoBo had whitish deposits, almost like calcium buildup which came off easily. BTW, I *never* dust with compressed air, I always use a grounded camel's hair brush, so there's no concerns with a particle imbedded under a chip or in a slot.. Thanks Folks. Vale _______________________________________________ PLUG maillist - PLUG@lists.nothinbut.net http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Wed May 3 09:18:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (root@nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11598; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id JAA28582; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:11:43 -0400 Received: from mail-gw.kns.com (mail-gw.kns.com [199.171.180.150]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id JAA28546 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:11:39 -0400 Received: from wgsu1000.kns.com (www.kns.com [199.171.180.10]) by mail-gw.kns.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12691 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wgsu61.kns.com (wgsu61.kns.com [192.168.1.109]) by wgsu1000.kns.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA21936 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kns.com by wgsu61.kns.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA27232; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:11:32 -0400 Message-ID: <39102583.3865FFD2@kns.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 09:11:32 -0400 From: Francis Gleeson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] XML 2 day course Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1439 Lines: 38 I do not know if this is appropriate to the PLUG list but I will go ahead anyway. There is a 2 day seminar on XML being given details below. XML Technologies Instructor: Dr. Roger L. Costello Course Time: June 5 & 12, 2000, 8:00AM - 4:00PM. Text: XML Bible by Elliot Rusty Harold (included with tuition) Location. Temple University Fort Washington Campus - 401 Commerce Drive - Fort Washington, PA 19034. For map of location visit - http://www.temple.edu/maps/fw_2D.html. Do not contact Temple about this course. Information is given below. Web registration is not available yet for this course. Please call : (215) 898-9106 XML COURSE Make Checks Payable to: EMAIL: ieee@pender.ee.upenn.edu IEEE Philadelphia Section FAX: (215) 898-8134 Moore School of Electrical Engineering PHONE: (215) 898-8106 University of Pennsylvania http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r2/philadelphia Phila., PA 19104-6314 Reg/Pymt Rec'd. Before May 15 Reg/Paymt Rec'd. After May 15 IEEE Member $275 $325 IEEE Non-Member $350 $375 ______________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group - http://plug.nothinbut.net Announcements - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion - http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug From plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Wed May 3 09:19:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (nitrous.nothinbut.net [207.44.32.15]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12853; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nitrous.nothinbut.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id JAA30101; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:18:53 -0400 Received: from chaos.n-tropy.com (root@chaos.n-tropy.com [209.71.111.42]) by nitrous.nothinbut.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id JAA30070 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:18:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (n-tropy@localhost) by chaos.n-tropy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA06043 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:19:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 05:19:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Flint Heart To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Subject: Re: [PLUG] computers. In-Reply-To: <200005030319.XAA02896@alpha.pha.adelphia.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Sender: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.nothinbut.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group X-BeenThere: plug@lists.nothinbut.net Content-Length: 1955 Lines: 47 athlon aproved case , mb and ps. I made sure of that. On Tue, 2 May 2000, Thomas E. Keiser wrote: > If you go to the AMD site, you will see that the Athlon has VERY specific and > strict rules f