From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Jan 02 17:33:49 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 17116 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2006 17:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jan 2006 17:33:48 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 17104 invoked by uid 107); 2 Jan 2006 17:33:46 -0000 Received: from [69.9.5.2] (HELO asdm067.desertmuseum.org) (69.9.5.2) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:33:46 -0500 Received: from [10.10.10.228] (BKREING5 [10.10.10.228]) by asdm067.desertmuseum.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id ZBKA4Q1G; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:42:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <339DC2E1-9437-4D31-949F-7CF96AC8B48B@superk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org From: Benjamin Krein Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:33:24 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Subject: [PLUG] Introducing myself X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Just wanted to introduce myself to the PLUG list. I'm a former resident of the Chester County area and looking to come back soon! Currently I'm settled in the Tucson, AZ area working at the Arizona- Sonora Desert Museum. It's a great place & it's been fun bringing a touch of Linux into the mix here, but Tucson definitely != Philly area!! Anyhow, I'm a fairly avid Linux geek & becoming a decent MySQL/PHP developer and I'm looking for a job in the Philly area. I look forward to being part of PLUG and hopefully will have some useful stuff to contribute. It will be nice to meet some of you eventually when I can work out this move. If anyone has any interesting leads on jobs in the Chester County area (preferrably) I'd really be interested. I'm looking for either Linux network administration or PHP/DB web application development (not design). Benjamin Krein www.superk.org ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Jan 03 06:27:02 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 8424 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 06:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 06:27:02 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 8414 invoked by uid 107); 3 Jan 2006 06:27:00 -0000 Received: from [207.245.69.226] (HELO bridget.crompton.com) (207.245.69.226) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:27:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by bridget.crompton.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id k036QXB25640 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 01:26:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 01:26:33 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Crompton To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: SATA and Raid In-Reply-To: <43B5E815.3010302@ie-ap.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org OK... Comments on the 3ware 8506-4LP or the Rocketraid 2224 ??? It looks like rocket raid has good Linux support and their web page is well organized and has all relevant drivers although I am sure 3ware does also. The 2224 is interesting as it has an infiniband external connector. Not that I probably would ever use it.... Although these are expensive compared to SW it is something you should be able to carry to future systems (SATA-2) and not be obsolete for awhile. A not on the Promise... it appears that there is support of the Fasttrak cards in the 2.6 kernel although I have not confirmed it. It still is SW raid though. Doug On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Eric Hidle wrote: > Do NOT get a promise card, especially if you want to use it in Linux. > Their driver support is HORRIBLE and they do not release the driver > source code. I have an SX4000 that I finally just got rid of - and I was > stuck on Redhat 9's stock kernel forever since they haven't updated the > driver in YEARS. > > Get a 3-ware or a RocketRaid card, or any other brand with open-source > linux support. If you do anything else, you are wasting your money. > > This is one area where you have to spend the money to do it right. If > you do not want to spend the money, get the SIIG 4-way sata controller > and use Linux Kernel S/W Raid. > E > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Jan 03 11:18:13 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 9150 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 11:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 11:18:12 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 9134 invoked by uid 107); 3 Jan 2006 11:18:09 -0000 Received: from [68.46.133.119] (HELO ie-ap.org) (68.46.133.119) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 06:18:09 -0500 Received: from PA62DXPWKS030 (tmpnat1.honeywell.com [199.64.0.252]) by ie-ap.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id k03BBrvd023592 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 06:11:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c61057$4c2fad70$bc3491a4@pa62d.iac.honeywell.com> From: "Eric Hidle" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" References: Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: SATA and Raid Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 06:17:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org There has not been support for the hardware raid promise cards, only some of the fake raid cards that require s/w to actually "do the raid." I've often what it is about these fake raid cards that warrants associating them with that acronym at all. I was in a yearlong battle with promise, trying to convince them to release the code for their h/w raid cards, and the final reply I got from them was something to the effect of "no way, no how, never in a million years, go ! yourself." I haven't used 3ware or Rocketraid. I opted for the SIIG sata card and linux s/w raid, so I couldn't speak about these two, but generally I refuse to believe that a company like 3Ware or Highpoint could get away with charging $500 for a piece of crap for very long.. E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Crompton" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: SATA and Raid > > OK... Comments on the 3ware 8506-4LP or the Rocketraid 2224 ??? > > It looks like rocket raid has good Linux support and their web page is > well organized and has all relevant drivers although I am sure 3ware does > also. The 2224 is interesting as it has an infiniband external connector. > Not that I probably would ever use it.... > > Although these are expensive compared to SW it is something you should be > able to carry to future systems (SATA-2) and not be obsolete for awhile. > > A not on the Promise... it appears that there is support of the Fasttrak > cards in the 2.6 kernel although I have not confirmed it. It still is SW > raid though. > > Doug > > On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Eric Hidle wrote: > > > Do NOT get a promise card, especially if you want to use it in Linux. > > Their driver support is HORRIBLE and they do not release the driver > > source code. I have an SX4000 that I finally just got rid of - and I was > > stuck on Redhat 9's stock kernel forever since they haven't updated the > > driver in YEARS. > > > > Get a 3-ware or a RocketRaid card, or any other brand with open-source > > linux support. If you do anything else, you are wasting your money. > > > > This is one area where you have to spend the money to do it right. If > > you do not want to spend the money, get the SIIG 4-way sata controller > > and use Linux Kernel S/W Raid. > > E > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Jan 03 16:33:52 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 12570 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 16:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 16:33:51 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 12485 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 16:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 16:33:45 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug-announce@phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 12456 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Jan 2006 16:33:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:33:42 -0500 From: "Michael C. Toren" To: plug-announce@phillylinux.org Message-ID: <20060103163341.GU4041@netisland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (17% of Full) X-BeenThere: plug-announce@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Subject: [PLUG] [plug-announce] January 4, 2006: "Time Management for System Administrators" X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Announcements , Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org ._____. .__________________________________________________________________. | ._. | | .______________________________________________________________. | | |_| |_|_|___. _____ | | |___| |_____. | The Philadelphia Area Linux Users Group | ._. | | | .___|_|_| |_| | (PLUG) cordially invites you to our next .___| |_|_|_| | | ._____| |___| meeting, Wednesday January 4, 2006 | ._| |_______| | | | |_| | at The University of the Sciences in | |_|_|_| |___. | | |_____| Philadelphia, Pennsylvania |_______| |_. | | |______________________________________________________________| | | |_| | |__________________________________________________________________| |_____| The topic of this month's meeting is "Time Management for System Administrators", presented by Tom Limoncelli. Following his presentation, Tom will be signing copies of his O'Reilly book of the same name, . The meeting will take place from 7-9PM, at: University of the Sciences in Philadelphia (USP) Griffith Hall C 600 South 43rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-4495 USP is located in University City. Driving directions are available at , or , both of which have an aerial view of the campus buildings. USP is also easily accessible by public transportation. There will be an open Question & Answer session at 7PM, prior to the main presentation at 8PM. This is an open meeting; all are welcome, and encouraged to attend. Usually, a number of members get together after the meeting at a nearby restaurant for food and perhaps a beer or two. Come join the camaraderie! _______________________________________________ plug-announce mailing list plug-announce@lists.phillylinux.org http://lists.netisland.net/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Jan 03 17:04:11 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 16292 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 17:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 17:04:08 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 16252 invoked by uid 107); 3 Jan 2006 17:04:05 -0000 Received: from [64.233.162.203] (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.203) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:04:05 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so2772109nzn for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:04:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Wf3CMAgfS9i9QWcZCBrUfFQdX2NbA/aiPWHavqt1k+WNOQmn2WA3edfbEqPBksx2CKMaZHsMpNTg8g9BqJbH21Al8xQO046B7PIAu9pZ4w+4RAqeRbQ8fss3SI6VB57UJz7eQ6OQrp02ZoxixZDp3kRv3FNBJAgxB+M3YWQZCv4= Received: by 10.64.183.9 with SMTP id g9mr512467qbf; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:04:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.153.15 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:04:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:04:03 -0500 From: Jeff Watson To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org In-Reply-To: <43baad9d.3bd7822b.2006.0fceSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <43baad9d.3bd7822b.2006.0fceSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Subject: [PLUG] Re: plug Digest, Vol 14, Issue 1 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0793052666==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0793052666== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9553_17363399.1136307843627" ------=_Part_9553_17363399.1136307843627 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thought I would let everyone know I am currently testing an installation of Slackware 10.2 with the Emerde package system (Portage for other distributions!) so far it is working ok. I plan on testing the Emerde package manager on other distros as well. I'd suggest playing with it. Portable portage would be a great boon! So many more package options then apt or slapt etc... Happy new year + take care -Jeff Watson -RedGibson@gmail.com ------=_Part_9553_17363399.1136307843627 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thought I would let everyone know I am currently testing an installation of= Slackware 10.2 with the Emerde package system (Portage for other distribut= ions!) so far it is working ok. I plan on testing the Emerde package manage= r on other  distros as well. I'd suggest playing with it. Portable por= tage would be a great boon! So many more package options then apt or slapt = etc... Happy new year + take care

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------=_Part_9553_17363399.1136307843627-- --===============0793052666== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0793052666==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Jan 03 17:59:25 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 28710 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 17:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 17:59:25 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 28694 invoked by uid 107); 3 Jan 2006 17:59:23 -0000 Received: from [64.233.162.201] (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.201) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:59:23 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i28so2977988nzi for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:59:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LiL5c9ohDdpcqqaGoLycN3/v77U0nFqDGUXiGjzh4jUZ9+vAkW/3J3ZuVPSQieSTtIdBMSGJG2LDlnaQaW6YSbBQykff8ZdP3/4O/QZy+D1PnKoUWYb+5pQse3s3sQsYzDbWcBM0jxpH9ZLR04l79QElCF8wT99e3VHl7BZjoZo= Received: by 10.65.61.19 with SMTP id o19mr570756qbk; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.197.13 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:59:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <967fcf060601030959m7dc15d8fx3aa48c48959094aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:59:18 -0500 From: Jason To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [PLUG] FS: Complete Linux PC for the kids. X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org While somewhat older, this would make a fine system for the kids. Why get rid of it? It was Mom's. She got a new iMac for Christmas. The PC: P-III 1.0 Ghz 384MB RAM 30GB HDD DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drive 10/100/1000 Ethernet card onboard audio IEEE-1394 (Firewire) card 4 x USB ports on the rear (I believe they're all USB 1.1) Nvidia GeForce 2MX video card The Monitor: MAG 15" Flat Panel display with integrated speakers (capable of 1024x768) The keyboard & mouse: Microsoft PS2 keyboard (not an ergo keyboard) Microsoft USB IntelliMouse Optical The printer: HP Photosmart 7150 USB printer The scanner: Umax Astra 3400 USB scanner I did a test install of CentOS 4.0 on the system, and the printer and scanner both worked out of the box. Zero config on the printer (successfully prints the CUPS test page), and the sane-plustek backend automatically did its thing inside of gimp using the xsane-gimp plugin. System is located in Mount Laurel, no deliveries, pickup only. Make an offer, and please, keep the replies off-list. :) ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Jan 03 21:41:55 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 29611 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 21:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 21:41:54 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 29599 invoked by uid 107); 3 Jan 2006 21:41:51 -0000 Received: from [63.240.77.82] (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (63.240.77.82) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:41:51 -0500 Received: from merctech.com (unknown[71.224.182.187](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20060103214121012007rvvge>; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:41:30 +0000 Received: from piquin (piquin [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k03LfFCH017050 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:41:15 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.1 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" From: bergman@merctech.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:41:15 -0500 Message-ID: <17049.1136324475@piquin> Subject: [PLUG] Misc. for-sale/give-away X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bergman@merctech.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I've got some miscellaneous computer bits for sale or donation. 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It is a SATA-2, PCI X4 card but will work in a standard PCI slot. 4 internal and 4 external SATA-2 via infiniband connector. Price low $200's. Even though I do not have SATA-2 drives or a computer with PCI express to plug it into I figure it is worth the extra bucks to have that capability in the future. Doug On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Eric Hidle wrote: > There has not been support for the hardware raid promise cards, only some of > the fake raid cards that require s/w to actually "do the raid." I've often > what it is about these fake raid cards that warrants associating them with > that acronym at all. > > I was in a yearlong battle with promise, trying to convince them to release > the code for their h/w raid cards, and the final reply I got from them was > something to the effect of "no way, no how, never in a million years, go ! > yourself." > > I haven't used 3ware or Rocketraid. I opted for the SIIG sata card and linux > s/w raid, so I couldn't speak about these two, but generally I refuse to > believe that a company like 3Ware or Highpoint could get away with charging > $500 for a piece of crap for very long.. > E > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Jan 03 21:55:15 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 31794 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 21:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 21:55:15 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 31784 invoked by uid 107); 3 Jan 2006 21:55:11 -0000 Received: from [64.233.162.204] (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.204) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:55:11 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 14so2788897nzn for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:55:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kbPmkHbd1a4SwXX40GUti7E4QzU7t/lVJEZOrZb9DNAkcuc+mOi15gKtZQmjBc3I55rCEkcP4HYTmwVZ0dgSNmi8DgAMmU3DM5q28qjp64Riy/mPY3WcotRNfiwq+uep5eVniSk387sGLJUy8Fp4PDnFCPCbEd8w5ikJJjpcOmY= Received: by 10.36.39.6 with SMTP id m6mr12632985nzm; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.13.69 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:55:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74e15baa0601031355i36b29ce9ldc6338bedf3a21ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:55:09 -0500 From: Aaron Mulder To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: SATA and Raid In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000601c61057$4c2fad70$bc3491a4@pa62d.iac.honeywell.com> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Just be aware that PCI-X and PCI Express are not the same thing! Most previous server boards used PCI-X as the faster-than-PCI alternative, but if the world moves on to PCI Express in the future, a PCI-X card will not be compatible. Aaron On 1/3/06, Doug Crompton wrote: > The rocketraid 2224 looks like a nice card that is well supported through > kernel 2.6 and both web and GUI monitoring support. It is a SATA-2, PCI X= 4 > card but will work in a standard PCI slot. 4 internal and 4 external > SATA-2 via infiniband connector. Price low $200's. Even though I do not > have SATA-2 drives or a computer with PCI express to plug it into I figur= e > it is worth the extra bucks to have that capability in the future. > > Doug > > On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Eric Hidle wrote: > > > There has not been support for the hardware raid promise cards, only so= me of > > the fake raid cards that require s/w to actually "do the raid." I've of= ten > > what it is about these fake raid cards that warrants associating them w= ith > > that acronym at all. > > > > I was in a yearlong battle with promise, trying to convince them to rel= ease > > the code for their h/w raid cards, and the final reply I got from them = was > > something to the effect of "no way, no how, never in a million years, g= o ! > > yourself." > > > > I haven't used 3ware or Rocketraid. I opted for the SIIG sata card and = linux > > s/w raid, so I couldn't speak about these two, but generally I refuse t= o > > believe that a company like 3Ware or Highpoint could get away with char= ging > > $500 for a piece of crap for very long.. > > E > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.o= rg > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announ= ce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/pl= ug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Jan 04 00:08:55 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 14357 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 00:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 00:08:54 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 14335 invoked by uid 107); 4 Jan 2006 00:08:52 -0000 Received: from [66.33.193.188] (HELO firey.dreamhost.com) (66.33.193.188) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:08:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (pcp0010779903pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net [69.142.94.59]) by firey.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9B816D62C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:08:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:08:26 -0500 From: Toby DiPasquale To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: SATA and Raid Message-ID: <20060104000826.GA28784@adidas.localdomain> References: <000601c61057$4c2fad70$bc3491a4@pa62d.iac.honeywell.com> <74e15baa0601031355i36b29ce9ldc6338bedf3a21ad@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <74e15baa0601031355i36b29ce9ldc6338bedf3a21ad@mail.gmail.com> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 04:55:09PM -0500, Aaron Mulder wrote: > Just be aware that PCI-X and PCI Express are not the same thing! Most > previous server boards used PCI-X as the faster-than-PCI alternative, > but if the world moves on to PCI Express in the future, a PCI-X card > will not be compatible. AFAIK, most PCIe boards can accept PCI-X cards in PCIe slots. Intel's can, anyway. -- Toby DiPasquale ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Jan 04 00:43:07 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 18995 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 00:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 00:43:07 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 18957 invoked by uid 107); 4 Jan 2006 00:43:05 -0000 Received: from [207.245.69.226] (HELO bridget.crompton.com) (207.245.69.226) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:43:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by bridget.crompton.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id k040gca01513 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:42:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:42:38 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Crompton To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: SATA and Raid In-Reply-To: <74e15baa0601031355i36b29ce9ldc6338bedf3a21ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org It seems that express is an intel invention and PCI-X is an industry wide standard? It looks like it goes out to 533mhz. See... http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/pcix_20 Doug On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Aaron Mulder wrote: > Just be aware that PCI-X and PCI Express are not the same thing! Most > previous server boards used PCI-X as the faster-than-PCI alternative, > but if the world moves on to PCI Express in the future, a PCI-X card > will not be compatible. > > Aaron > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Jan 04 04:35:49 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 11368 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 04:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 04:35:47 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 11329 invoked by uid 107); 4 Jan 2006 04:35:45 -0000 Received: from [64.233.162.200] (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.200) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:35:45 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 14so2873824nzn for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:35:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AuUpei8ouZIleW2ilpfLNNOv7VOvrphSa6xBSEAeuee4D5PdcpyWtPL9bt8OgPBVOlJudoER7mTXkNAFka1g4Mol0/rOQ6qnZ2oPJvURFW8yfiiafyt6q36ezI00rOVaxhtbILie8cbJHGKXab642F18BcDlidORsk55X/nGPfw= Received: by 10.36.39.6 with SMTP id m6mr13096740nzm; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:35:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.13.69 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:35:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74e15baa0601032035n428ad43bl38561fab159c2935@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:35:43 -0500 From: Aaron Mulder To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: SATA and Raid In-Reply-To: <20060104000826.GA28784@adidas.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000601c61057$4c2fad70$bc3491a4@pa62d.iac.honeywell.com> <74e15baa0601031355i36b29ce9ldc6338bedf3a21ad@mail.gmail.com> <20060104000826.GA28784@adidas.localdomain> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On 1/3/06, Toby DiPasquale wrote: > AFAIK, most PCIe boards can accept PCI-X cards in PCIe slots. Intel's can= , > anyway. Really? That's cool. But it has to depend on the speed of the slot, right? I mean, the x1 PCI Express slots are only like 1" long, and a PCI-X slot is huge. Hmm -- I'm not so sure I believe you. For example, http://intel.com/design/servers/boards/se7525gp2/index.htm The PCI Express and PCI-X slots are separate on that one. But it's the only one I checked. :) Anyway, regarding Doug's point on 533 MHz PCI-X, the fastest card I've actually seen is 64-bit 133Mhz, but perhaps they're building them to the faster spec now. Aaron ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Jan 04 13:27:33 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 2906 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 13:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 13:27:33 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 2865 invoked by uid 107); 4 Jan 2006 13:27:30 -0000 Received: from [66.33.198.201] (HELO jareth.dreamhost.com) (66.33.198.201) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:27:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (pcp0010779903pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net [69.142.94.59]) by jareth.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D99C192B43 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 05:27:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:27:05 -0500 From: Toby DiPasquale To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: SATA and Raid Message-ID: <20060104132705.GA2231@adidas.localdomain> References: <000601c61057$4c2fad70$bc3491a4@pa62d.iac.honeywell.com> <74e15baa0601031355i36b29ce9ldc6338bedf3a21ad@mail.gmail.com> <20060104000826.GA28784@adidas.localdomain> <74e15baa0601032035n428ad43bl38561fab159c2935@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <74e15baa0601032035n428ad43bl38561fab159c2935@mail.gmail.com> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 11:35:43PM -0500, Aaron Mulder wrote: > On 1/3/06, Toby DiPasquale wrote: > > AFAIK, most PCIe boards can accept PCI-X cards in PCIe slots. Intel's can, > > anyway. > > Really? That's cool. But it has to depend on the speed of the slot, > right? I mean, the x1 PCI Express slots are only like 1" long, and a > PCI-X slot is huge. > > Hmm -- I'm not so sure I believe you. For example, > > http://intel.com/design/servers/boards/se7525gp2/index.htm > > The PCI Express and PCI-X slots are separate on that one. But it's > the only one I checked. :) > > Anyway, regarding Doug's point on 533 MHz PCI-X, the fastest card I've > actually seen is 64-bit 133Mhz, but perhaps they're building them to > the faster spec now. I'm just going by what Dell told me... -- Toby DiPasquale ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Jan 04 18:17:19 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 8311 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 18:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 18:17:19 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 8299 invoked by uid 107); 4 Jan 2006 18:17:16 -0000 Received: from [65.254.53.88] (HELO patshead.com) (65.254.53.88) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:17:16 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.50] (24-52-97-135.bflony.adelphia.net [24.52.97.135]) by patshead.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) with ESMTP id k04IGnWQ014017 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:16:49 -0500 Message-ID: <43BC103C.5040600@patshead.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:13:16 -0500 From: Pat Regan User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051013) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: SATA and Raid References: <000601c61057$4c2fad70$bc3491a4@pa62d.iac.honeywell.com> <74e15baa0601031355i36b29ce9ldc6338bedf3a21ad@mail.gmail.com> <20060104000826.GA28784@adidas.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20060104000826.GA28784@adidas.localdomain> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1796908643==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1796908643== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig583D88BFF28FB28A07B5EF55" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig583D88BFF28FB28A07B5EF55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Toby DiPasquale wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 04:55:09PM -0500, Aaron Mulder wrote: >> Just be aware that PCI-X and PCI Express are not the same thing! Most >> previous server boards used PCI-X as the faster-than-PCI alternative, >> but if the world moves on to PCI Express in the future, a PCI-X card >> will not be compatible. > > AFAIK, most PCIe boards can accept PCI-X cards in PCIe slots. Intel's can, > anyway. > That would be an interesting trick... PCIe and PCI-X user physically different connectors (A PCI card will not fit in a PCIe slot). Also, PCI-X is a parallel interface like PCI. If there truly is a motherboard that can somehow accept PCI-X and PCIe cards in the same slots, I would love to know which one it is. There are plenty of server/workstation class motherboards that have PCI, PCI-X, and PCIe slots. Pat --------------enig583D88BFF28FB28A07B5EF55 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDvBBC5xI+FcVJCrERAkTeAJ45OVkqLhwGxjzVwct8+1RDvWXc1gCbBHc7 UlNL4XbAvJf5etk69BaJwqM= =/09E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig583D88BFF28FB28A07B5EF55-- --===============1796908643== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1796908643==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Jan 04 20:19:58 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 24023 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 20:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 20:19:57 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 24011 invoked by uid 107); 4 Jan 2006 20:19:55 -0000 Received: from [64.233.162.195] (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.195) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:19:55 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so3114584nzn for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:19:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DEHD5iELI9lR86oUweAl86vofwPmP95Pr33dsYuPNyz0nenKEBFdzQkK9aZwKz6qLT5Xv4nMqUln5KbzQZLh+lE9NMweg8A+ouC9vsXP5Cc7J+T1o69WnPFmkm7zOf3s1/sSQ84W3Dretellcfe3iJIL/3t2s7DIro8LAB1xovs= Received: by 10.64.250.14 with SMTP id x14mr684249qbh; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.197.13 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:19:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <967fcf060601041219o47e8b6cbha35ec11695887369@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:19:52 -0500 From: Jason To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: SATA and Raid In-Reply-To: <43BC103C.5040600@patshead.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000601c61057$4c2fad70$bc3491a4@pa62d.iac.honeywell.com> <74e15baa0601031355i36b29ce9ldc6338bedf3a21ad@mail.gmail.com> <20060104000826.GA28784@adidas.localdomain> <43BC103C.5040600@patshead.com> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On 1/4/06, Pat Regan wrote: > Toby DiPasquale wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 04:55:09PM -0500, Aaron Mulder wrote: > >> Just be aware that PCI-X and PCI Express are not the same thing! Most > >> previous server boards used PCI-X as the faster-than-PCI alternative, > >> but if the world moves on to PCI Express in the future, a PCI-X card > >> will not be compatible. > > > > AFAIK, most PCIe boards can accept PCI-X cards in PCIe slots. Intel's c= an, > > anyway. > > > > That would be an interesting trick... PCIe and PCI-X user physically > different connectors (A PCI card will not fit in a PCIe slot). Also, > PCI-X is a parallel interface like PCI. > > If there truly is a motherboard that can somehow accept PCI-X and PCIe > cards in the same slots, I would love to know which one it is. There > are plenty of server/workstation class motherboards that have PCI, > PCI-X, and PCIe slots. Yeah, I'm with Pat on this. Have a look at this picture: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fc/PCIExpress.jpg/300px-PC= IExpress.jpg PCI cards work in PCI-X slots. PCI and PCI-X simply do not fit in a PCIe slot, be it x1, x4 or x16. Also, calling PCIe a "bus" is actually sort of a misnomer, since it's a serial connection, in reality. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Jan 04 21:19:40 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 31795 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 21:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 21:19:39 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 31749 invoked by uid 107); 4 Jan 2006 21:19:36 -0000 Received: from [12.154.53.20] (HELO kanssmtp04.aventis.com) (12.154.53.20) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:19:36 -0500 Received: from kanssmtp04.mailrelay2.aventis.com ([204.126.89.30]) by kanssmtp04.aventis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:19:35 -0600 Received: from kansmxsint01.pharma.aventis.com ([157.206.110.35]) by kanssmtp04 with trend_isnt_name_B; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:19:34 -0600 Received: from brwsmxscon03.pharma.aventis.com ([155.65.235.59]) by kansmxsint01.pharma.aventis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:19:13 -0600 Received: from brwsmxsusr01.pharma.aventis.com ([155.65.234.0]) by brwsmxscon03.pharma.aventis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:19:12 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7233.32 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:19:12 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PLUG] Re: SATA and Raid thread-index: AcYQ6I0+ThHBrkFFTb6gS87XFm/n/QAi8+Yw From: To: Return-Path: Daniel.G.Roberts@sanofi-aventis.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2006 21:19:12.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[82407A20:01C61174] Subject: [PLUG] Iozone and a Linux Cluster X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Hello All Can anyone pass along some knowledge of how they ran iozone on a linux = cluster? I am trying to pin down a NAS storage on my cluster and I am wondering = on how to leverage Iozone to identify problems.. Thanks! Dan ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Jan 04 22:26:02 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 8490 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 22:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 22:26:01 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 8468 invoked by uid 107); 4 Jan 2006 22:25:58 -0000 Received: from [206.46.252.44] (HELO vms044pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.44) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:25:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.45] ([70.110.244.147]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0ISL0092AAAK2ST1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:25:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:25:47 -0500 From: Stewart B Lone Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: SATA and Raid To: PLUG Message-id: <43BC4B6B.2060800@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: v592653589793238@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aaron Mulder wrote: >> On 1/3/06, Toby DiPasquale wrote: >> > >>>>AFAIK, most PCIe boards can accept PCI-X cards in PCIe slots. Intel's can, >>>>anyway. > >> >> >> Really? That's cool. But it has to depend on the speed of the slot, >> right? I mean, the x1 PCI Express slots are only like 1" long, and a >> PCI-X slot is huge. >> >> Hmm -- I'm not so sure I believe you. For example, >> >> http://intel.com/design/servers/boards/se7525gp2/index.htm >> >> The PCI Express and PCI-X slots are separate on that one. But it's >> the only one I checked. :) >> >> Anyway, regarding Doug's point on 533 MHz PCI-X, the fastest card I've >> actually seen is 64-bit 133Mhz, but perhaps they're building them to >> the faster spec now. >> >> Aaron >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org >> Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> PCIe slots come in a couple of iterations. A "normal" looking one for vidio cards etc., And, the smaller aproximately 1" size for nic cards and the like that require a smaller pinout. I also think that there is another intermediate size but dont have any experience as to what its use is. Here is a picture of the larger and smaller PCIe slots:- http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1495397&CatId=0is. Stewart -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDvEtr1vinaKkVZy4RAtdlAJ9AxZr04/CcYnNqJulfCHl0SY2tDACcCAa6 Be3Sexud8XsJAwEkwYFwZNQ= =TF1W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 05 05:40:45 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 22031 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 05:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 05:40:45 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 22017 invoked by uid 107); 5 Jan 2006 05:40:43 -0000 Received: from [216.148.227.153] (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.153) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:40:43 -0500 Received: from merctech.com (unknown[71.224.182.187](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2006010505395801500dv4m6e>; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:40:07 +0000 Received: from piquin (piquin [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k055duEc022170; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:39:56 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.1 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" From: bergman@merctech.com References: <43BC4B6B.2060800@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:39:56 -0500 Message-ID: <22169.1136439596@piquin> Cc: tposana43@everythingsysadmin.com Subject: [PLUG] time management software for Linux/Win/Linux PDA X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bergman@merctech.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org First of all, thanks again to Tom Limoncelli for speaking about time managment. Here's some info about some software that you may find to be useful... For several years I used Datebook5 on a Palm pilot for all the nifty PIM applications, but I've recently switched to a Sharp Zaurus, running Linux. I've begun using the KDE-Pim/Pi package as a replacement for Datebook5 (and more). The application is cross-platform (Windows & Linux, with Linux ARM binaries available for Sharp Zaurus and HP iQue PDAs), and does calendaring/to-do lists/ contact management/daily journal/password management/time tracking. The package plays nicely with the KDE PIM tools, and vcal files, and will even sync to some mobile phones. There's a conversion tool to take Palm Pilot data files (Palm Memo, ToDo, Addressbook and Datebook data) to the format used by the Sharp Zaurus builtin applications. These are text files that can be hand munged, or imported directly into the KDE-PIM package on a Linux or Windows desktop. KDE-PIM: http://www.pi-sync.net/html/stable_pim_pi.html (KO/PI, KA/PI, OM/PI, PwM) p2z: http://tuxmobil.org/p2z.html (Palm to Zaurus data file convertor) K/Timetracker: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104103&package_id=125453 (good for consultants needing to track hourly billing) Mark Bergman Seeking a Unix or Linux sysadmin position local to Philadelphia or via telecommuting. ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand http://wwwkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=bergman%40merctech.com I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 15+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 05 12:26:04 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 4358 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 12:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 12:26:03 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 4321 invoked by uid 107); 5 Jan 2006 12:26:01 -0000 Received: from [209.73.179.141] (HELO smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.141) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 07:26:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 96764 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 12:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?151.197.209.214?) (art.alexion@verizon.net@151.197.209.214 with plain) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 12:25:34 -0000 Message-ID: <43BD1039.5070409@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 07:25:29 -0500 From: Art Alexion User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051013) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Subject: [PLUG] Thunderbird filters X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0073025401==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0073025401== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC0F6D1509D243CCE27BF63FA" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC0F6D1509D243CCE27BF63FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thunderbird has stopped saving *new* mail filters between sessions. Existing filters are still there. New filters appear until restart. Is there a maximum number of filters? A corrupted filters file? A way to manually edit the file where the filters are stored in order to save them? -- _______________________________________ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A The attachment -- signature.asc -- is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html Key for signed PDFs available at http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/ArthurSAlexion.p7c The validation string is TTJY-ZILJ-BJJG. ________________________________________ --------------enigC0F6D1509D243CCE27BF63FA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQ70QOkLG/oYII0YuAQI9NQP9EBUjRhcQjlbrJI4kNMAuGodaFUtEtRY7 UVamVIMWCaykC+WWvaukbDpvMuh2Extu1S1dWM8ZF+lG/iwEkBQKDLYcgU++06EJ G9To2WvO0Ml3vqxo2jaL1l4xNX9ja8Pn1qRubJxaPawMKAsNRm0bITPpMj+6Rq/C PJT3zKoIqHc= =k0eh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC0F6D1509D243CCE27BF63FA-- --===============0073025401== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0073025401==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 05 13:16:19 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 9625 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 13:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 13:16:18 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 9613 invoked by uid 107); 5 Jan 2006 13:16:16 -0000 Received: from [207.103.101.5] (HELO neptune.bristle.com) (207.103.101.5) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:16:16 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.225.100.45]) by neptune.bristle.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k05D3cf24545; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:03:38 -0500 Message-ID: <43BD1BE9.3020605@bristle.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:15:21 -0500 From: Fred Stluka Organization: Bristle Software, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Thunderbird filters References: <43BD1039.5070409@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <43BD1039.5070409@verizon.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1574536883==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1574536883== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070700050605010107090707" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070700050605010107090707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Art, See the file: msgFilterRules.dat in the Thunderbird Profile directory tree. I currently have about 125 filters and no problems. I have successfully edit it, as well as my Thunderbird mail files with no problem. Just close Thunderbird first to avoid file contention issues. --Fred -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fred Stluka -- mailto:fred@bristle.com -- http://bristle.com/~fred/ Bristle Software, Inc -- http://bristle.com -- "Glad to be of service!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Art Alexion wrote: >Thunderbird has stopped saving *new* mail filters between sessions. >Existing filters are still there. New filters appear until restart. > >Is there a maximum number of filters? >A corrupted filters file? >A way to manually edit the file where the filters are stored in order to >save them? > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org >Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > --------------070700050605010107090707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Art,

See the file:

   msgFilterRules.dat

in the Thunderbird Profile directory tree.  I currently have about 125
filters and no problems.   I have successfully edit it, as well as my
Thunderbird mail files with no problem.  Just close Thunderbird first
to avoid file contention issues.

--Fred
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fred Stluka -- mailto:fred@bristle.com -- http://bristle.com/~fred/
Bristle Software, Inc -- http://bristle.com -- "Glad to be of service!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Art Alexion wrote: 
Thunderbird has stopped saving *new* mail filters between sessions. 
Existing filters are still there.  New filters appear until restart.

Is there a maximum number of filters?
A corrupted filters file?
A way to manually edit the file where the filters are stored in order to
save them?

  

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--------------070700050605010107090707-- --===============1574536883== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1574536883==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Jan 06 22:59:20 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 30495 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 22:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 22:59:19 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 30466 invoked by uid 107); 6 Jan 2006 22:59:15 -0000 Received: from [66.249.82.206] (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.206) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:59:15 -0500 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s14so2231313wxc for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:58:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=KuzBfrATasF7u3rzgiDJdHrYxtT3OITVsbjd5FWgUvgybNKQBH/+i7qFeNJNJ7H5v6tNEL0+tVF82Y/7BHbuk8QItPCzX6698+u95V2uwDkJlZfwgVMw3BPAc/7H/lYLeB/4lSvGt1DfcEEvtDQBZdAwfwvqmUy29yBj6ANdMSU= Received: by 10.70.49.1 with SMTP id w1mr369006wxw; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.80.2 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:58:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:58:52 -0500 From: Alexander Birch To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [PLUG] OT -- Former Red Hat Employees X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0018898541==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0018898541== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17694_6221767.1136588332381" ------=_Part_17694_6221767.1136588332381 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Are there any former Red Hat Employees on this list? Do you know former Red Hate Employees? Alex www.lifesabirch.org ------=_Part_17694_6221767.1136588332381 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Are there any former Red Hat Employees on this list?

Do you know fo= rmer Red Hate Employees?

Alex

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------=_Part_17694_6221767.1136588332381-- --===============0018898541== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0018898541==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Jan 06 23:04:54 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 31524 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 23:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 23:04:53 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 31497 invoked by uid 107); 6 Jan 2006 23:04:51 -0000 Received: from [216.148.227.151] (HELO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) (216.148.227.151) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:04:51 -0500 Received: from [10.40.111.163] (pcp03985587pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net[68.80.172.242]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006010623042801300dc672e>; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 23:04:29 +0000 Subject: Re: [PLUG] time management software for Linux/Win/Linux PDA From: John Sladek To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List , bergman@merctech.com In-Reply-To: <22169.1136439596@piquin> References: <43BC4B6B.2060800@verizon.net> <22169.1136439596@piquin> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:05:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1136588744.15591.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 (2.2.2-5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Yes, even though I didn't get the T-Shirt I thought it was good too. I guess if I asked a question I could have snagged it. It is a good thing I didn't, with the questions we did have, it seemed that the presentation had to be cut short on account of TIME..... :0P John Sladek On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 00:39 -0500, bergman@merctech.com wrote: > First of all, thanks again to Tom Limoncelli for speaking about time managment. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Jan 06 23:39:21 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 4169 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 23:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 23:39:21 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 4159 invoked by uid 107); 6 Jan 2006 23:39:18 -0000 Received: from [64.74.53.227] (HELO zoemail.net) (64.74.53.227) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:39:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.zoemail.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED101806B1A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from zoemail.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mark [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10561-07 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (pcp0010896064pcs.wilog301.pa.comcast.net [68.46.20.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.zoemail.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2BB57FD472 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:38:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43BF004F.2080006@zoemail.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:42:07 -0500 From: "Eric J. Roode" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT -- Former Red Hat Employees References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Primary-Identity: sdn@zoemail.net X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV at zoemail.net X-Channels-Unique: 2 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Alexander Birch wrote: >Are there any former Red Hat Employees on this list? > >Do you know former Red Hate Employees? > > Freudian slip? ;-) ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Jan 09 07:28:25 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 23484 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 07:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 07:28:25 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-PLUG@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 23468 invoked by uid 107); 9 Jan 2006 07:28:22 -0000 Received: from [207.245.69.226] (HELO bridget.crompton.com) (207.245.69.226) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:28:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by bridget.crompton.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id k097Rp428361 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:27:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:27:51 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Crompton To: Phila Linux Users Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [PLUG] File Conversion X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Does anyone have either of these utils? 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Some of the photos were touched by iPhoto magic or some similar OS X sorcery. The result is that I have two copies of 46 photos, one copy touched, the other not. The apparently untouched files are all 1322 bytes longer. It's not of practical importance, as the images all look fine, but I'm very curious what happened. Below is a diff. The outlier, 1051, was rotated (by iPhoto?). On each image I've checked, the files are visually identical. Indeed, using imagemagick to subtract one from the other results in complete black (confirmed with gimp's histogram tool). Any ideas what might have happened and what 1322 bytes might signify? jeff@astra:three-hours-dups $ for f in *; do cmp -b $f other-$f; done IMG_1050.JPG other-IMG_1050.JPG differ: byte 17138, line 78 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1051.JPG other-IMG_1051.JPG differ: byte 5, line 1 is 107 G 73 ; IMG_1052.JPG other-IMG_1052.JPG differ: byte 18425, line 74 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1053.JPG other-IMG_1053.JPG differ: byte 18428, line 77 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1054.JPG other-IMG_1054.JPG differ: byte 18960, line 83 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1055.JPG other-IMG_1055.JPG differ: byte 17537, line 78 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1056.JPG other-IMG_1056.JPG differ: byte 17251, line 66 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1057.JPG other-IMG_1057.JPG differ: byte 17475, line 77 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1058.JPG other-IMG_1058.JPG differ: byte 17884, line 68 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1059.JPG other-IMG_1059.JPG differ: byte 17555, line 74 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1060.JPG other-IMG_1060.JPG differ: byte 16035, line 73 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1061.JPG other-IMG_1061.JPG differ: byte 16700, line 67 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1062.JPG other-IMG_1062.JPG differ: byte 16206, line 67 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1063.JPG other-IMG_1063.JPG differ: byte 16251, line 68 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1064.JPG other-IMG_1064.JPG differ: byte 16684, line 74 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1065.JPG other-IMG_1065.JPG differ: byte 16475, line 60 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1066.JPG other-IMG_1066.JPG differ: byte 15623, line 67 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1067.JPG other-IMG_1067.JPG differ: byte 15901, line 66 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1068.JPG other-IMG_1068.JPG differ: byte 15876, line 70 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1069.JPG other-IMG_1069.JPG differ: byte 15877, line 73 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1070.JPG other-IMG_1070.JPG differ: byte 15758, line 70 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1071.JPG other-IMG_1071.JPG differ: byte 15765, line 69 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1072.JPG other-IMG_1072.JPG differ: byte 15770, line 66 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1073.JPG other-IMG_1073.JPG differ: byte 15772, line 62 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1074.JPG other-IMG_1074.JPG differ: byte 15743, line 67 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1075.JPG other-IMG_1075.JPG differ: byte 15805, line 64 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1076.JPG other-IMG_1076.JPG differ: byte 15808, line 65 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1077.JPG other-IMG_1077.JPG differ: byte 15797, line 60 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1078.JPG other-IMG_1078.JPG differ: byte 15820, line 69 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1079.JPG other-IMG_1079.JPG differ: byte 15886, line 68 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1080.JPG other-IMG_1080.JPG differ: byte 15935, line 69 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1081.JPG other-IMG_1081.JPG differ: byte 15873, line 63 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1082.JPG other-IMG_1082.JPG differ: byte 15834, line 62 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1083.JPG other-IMG_1083.JPG differ: byte 16660, line 64 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1084.JPG other-IMG_1084.JPG differ: byte 16648, line 62 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1085.JPG other-IMG_1085.JPG differ: byte 16689, line 72 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1086.JPG other-IMG_1086.JPG differ: byte 16055, line 62 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1087.JPG other-IMG_1087.JPG differ: byte 16545, line 71 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1088.JPG other-IMG_1088.JPG differ: byte 16124, line 76 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1089.JPG other-IMG_1089.JPG differ: byte 16402, line 67 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1090.JPG other-IMG_1090.JPG differ: byte 16861, line 63 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1091.JPG other-IMG_1091.JPG differ: byte 17231, line 65 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1092.JPG other-IMG_1092.JPG differ: byte 16544, line 73 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1093.JPG other-IMG_1093.JPG differ: byte 16630, line 68 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1094.JPG other-IMG_1094.JPG differ: byte 16559, line 68 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 IMG_1095.JPG other-IMG_1095.JPG differ: byte 17544, line 75 is 342 =E2 = 304 =C4 jeff@astra:three-hours-dups $=20 --=20 Jeff Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-