From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Mar 01 10:05:18 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 20093 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 10:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 10:05:17 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 20061 invoked by uid 107); 1 Mar 2006 10:05:12 -0000 Received: from [82.71.90.98] (HELO mail.lobefin.net) (82.71.90.98) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 05:05:12 -0500 Received: from lobefin.net ([82.71.90.97] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by mail.lobefin.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1FEOCG-0004I1-JT for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:04:40 +0000 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FEOCI-0003NV-SU for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:04:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:04:42 +0000 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Forbidding a version of a package in debian Message-ID: <20060301100442.GA10838@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <20060222030614.GA9030@mawode.com> <20060222100905.GC14503@www.lobefin.net> <20060301044555.GB7205@mawode.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20060301044555.GB7205@mawode.com> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.8-2-686-smp i686 X-Uptime: 35 days X-Latin: Hodie Kalendis Martiis MMDCCLIX ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Setting Orange, the 60th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3172 X-DDate: Only 2430816 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. 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X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Authenticated-Sender: steve X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.88/1306 on mail.lobefin.net; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:04:40 +0000 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1627036326==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1627036326== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc" Content-Disposition: inline --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 11:45:55PM -0500, Walt Mankowski said: > It turned out there were other dependencies besides windowmaker. I > had to restart firefox and all of a sudden it started crashing, > complaining about some sort of a problem with xft. I decided to bite > the bullet and do release libfreetype6 from hold, along with all the > other packages that were also on hold waiting for it. Fortunately > everything worked fine after that, including firefox. I'm glad - I don't know if you've been following the problems around this, but basically it sounds like libxft deleted a symbol in a new version without changing the soname. This of course caused a quite a few problems for quite a few people, but it also sounds like the new version being prepared is a little saner, so it shouldn't recur. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | Life is too short to stuff a mushroom. | | steve@lobefin.net | -- Storm Jameson | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEBXG6SYIMHOpZA44RAgrpAKDAFa/cUJN6ptxHyoS05PbteugWJwCg0UXq vUp+JP6lyFWKelwVMA8uu74= =Zs0z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc-- --===============1627036326== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1627036326==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Mar 01 14:23:49 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 14150 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 14:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 14:23:49 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 14132 invoked by uid 107); 1 Mar 2006 14:23:46 -0000 Received: from [216.158.45.183] (HELO puddle.purple.com) (216.158.45.183) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:23:46 -0500 Received: from jeff by puddle.purple.com with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FESEf-0007eA-5y for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:23:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:23:25 -0500 From: Jeff Abrahamson To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Forbidding a version of a package in debian Message-ID: <20060301142324.GP12069@purple.com> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <20060222030614.GA9030@mawode.com> <20060222100905.GC14503@www.lobefin.net> <20060301044555.GB7205@mawode.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20060301044555.GB7205@mawode.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0497271716==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0497271716== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="A7r2ZSzTc5uUoZ5x" Content-Disposition: inline --A7r2ZSzTc5uUoZ5x Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 11:45:55PM -0500, Walt Mankowski wrote: > I've had other weird problems in the past with aptitude dist-upgrade > getting confused about dependencies and deleting packages it > shouldn't be. I think I'm going to stick with upgrade from now on. Some things may not upgrade ever without dist-upgrade, as I understand. But certainly doing an upgrade before a dist-upgrade is not a bad path. Without being able to point a finger at exactly why the world works this way, I've found that taking several smaller steps is less risky than one big one, even if the destination appears to be the same. --=20 Jeff Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B --A7r2ZSzTc5uUoZ5x Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEBa5cFr+MTA0drksRAhArAJ9E4ZG0QFu77lFXOvDAwjooY/CS8wCfbCOe T0nxloBO78BWGIlUxozgWR0= =vS7t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --A7r2ZSzTc5uUoZ5x-- --===============0497271716== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0497271716==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Mar 01 16:26:46 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 30438 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 16:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 16:26:46 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 30426 invoked by uid 107); 1 Mar 2006 16:26:44 -0000 Received: from [66.33.193.58] (HELO toby.dreamhost.com) (66.33.193.58) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:26:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-69-142-94-59.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [69.142.94.59]) by toby.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34FE15E5F8 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:26:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:26:08 -0500 From: Toby DiPasquale To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Message-ID: <20060301162608.GB24700@adidas.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [PLUG] Anyone interested in a Rails talk? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Hi all, Anyone interested in a Rails talk for later this year? I'm not sure how much interest there would be for this, given the existence of the Philly Rails group, but I thought I'd gauge it out. Let me know. -- Toby DiPasquale ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Mar 01 16:32:40 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 31472 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 16:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 16:32:39 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 31462 invoked by uid 107); 1 Mar 2006 16:32:38 -0000 Received: from [67.62.183.7] (HELO camelot.homelinux.com) (67.62.183.7) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:32:38 -0500 Received: (qmail 26862 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 11:34:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (HELO mail.camelot.homelinux.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 11:34:02 -0500 Received: from 129.25.5.173 (SquirrelMail authenticated user cos) by mail.camelot.homelinux.com with HTTP; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:34:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59455.129.25.5.173.1141230842.squirrel@mail.camelot.homelinux.com> In-Reply-To: <20060301162608.GB24700@adidas.localdomain> References: <20060301162608.GB24700@adidas.localdomain> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:34:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PLUG] Anyone interested in a Rails talk? From: "Cosmin Nicolaescu" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Wed, March 1, 2006 11:26 am, Toby DiPasquale wrote: > Hi all, > > Anyone interested in a Rails talk for later this year? I'm not sure how > much interest there would be for this, given the existence of the Philly > Rails group, but I thought I'd gauge it out. Let me know. > > -- > Toby DiPasquale > Actually at the Python Users Group meeting last month they were talking about contacting the Ruby group about a debate on RoR and Django. I think that doing that at a PLUG meeting would be great (neutral territory). -Cos -- GPG key fingerprint = DE9F 4664 E666 2BD1 903E 4F4D EA31 5FB1 C7F9 08C1 ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Mar 01 16:41:08 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 598 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 16:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 16:41:06 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 576 invoked by uid 107); 1 Mar 2006 16:41:04 -0000 Received: from [66.92.237.181] (HELO triple.philadelphiariders.com) (66.92.237.181) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:41:04 -0500 Received: from [192.168.52.4] (dsl092-236-211.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.236.211]) by triple.philadelphiariders.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62C9225E1F for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:40:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4405CDD9.7000308@morganjones.org> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:37:45 -0500 From: morgan User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050929) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Anyone interested in a Rails talk? References: <20060301162608.GB24700@adidas.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20060301162608.GB24700@adidas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I would be interested. -morgan Toby DiPasquale wrote: > Hi all, > > Anyone interested in a Rails talk for later this year? I'm not sure how > much interest there would be for this, given the existence of the Philly > Rails group, but I thought I'd gauge it out. Let me know. > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Mar 01 16:52:23 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 2428 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 16:52:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 16:52:22 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 2418 invoked by uid 107); 1 Mar 2006 16:52:20 -0000 Received: from [64.233.162.195] (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.195) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:52:20 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z6so188971nzd for ; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:52:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QtyBEcsNRX2QbbJMVxVqV6M+LR8QLj7aHgAY4qgxweOnBStGiKqo6EVQvlnuMuVS1FQ1Kfn5KX6DfLbJsn+Qf1RTJ77P5ogtq5bWi1QEe3v1Grp4pB3cLMvJAGPDbq/GWE01kpsMDWQDTXbmtIkYeTBTN9uiAvwJDLzn5dg8xpM= Received: by 10.35.127.7 with SMTP id e7mr2514813pyn; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:52:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.1.104? ( [71.224.159.155]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id v50sm746064pyv.2006.03.01.08.52.18; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:52:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4405D190.8080801@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:53:36 -0500 From: Andrew Libby User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050929) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Anyone interested in a Rails talk? References: <20060301162608.GB24700@adidas.localdomain> <4405CDD9.7000308@morganjones.org> In-Reply-To: <4405CDD9.7000308@morganjones.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I would be very interested also. I've done a decent amount of development on Catalyst http://catalyst.perl.org/. As I understand it, there's a bit of RoR inspiration in Catalyst. As far as the local Rails group, make more sense given that there is a local rails group. If people become more interested in Rails, they have local community to get involved in. Andy morgan wrote: > I would be interested. > > -morgan > > > > Toby DiPasquale wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Anyone interested in a Rails talk for later this year? I'm not sure how >> much interest there would be for this, given the existence of the Philly >> Rails group, but I thought I'd gauge it out. Let me know. >> > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Andrew Libby alibby@philadelphiariders.com http://philadelphiariders.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Mar 01 21:28:56 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 4482 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 4472 invoked by uid 107); 1 Mar 2006 21:28:52 -0000 Received: from [66.206.0.7] (HELO MAIL.mailmta.e-insites.com) (66.206.0.7) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:28:52 -0500 Received: from 63.243.104.236 ([63.243.104.236]) by mailservices.e-insites.com with MailEnable WebMail; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:28:21 -0800 To: From: "Mike Cahill" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Anyone interested in a Rails talk? Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:28:21 -0500 Message-ID: <0604EF8813E6412C955C006080297C85.MAI@mailservices.e-insites.com> X-Mailer: MailEnable Web Mail 1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--=_NextPart_000_000B_0267BDD4.57264BEB" X-Read: 0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Medium X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----=_NextPart_000_000B_0267BDD4.57264BEB Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I'd be interested in maybe something along the lines of an introduction. I've heard some cool things about it, buthave never really gotten to take more than a quick look at the subject. Maybe something like.. "here's an intro.. if you like what you hear, here's the RoR group info." Mike Cahill ----- Original Message ----- From: Toby DiPasquale To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:26:08 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] Anyone interested in a Rails talk? Hi all, Anyone interested in a Rails talk for later this year? I'm not sure how much interest there would be for this, given the existence of the Philly Rails group, but I thought I'd gauge it out. Let me know. -- Toby DiPasquale ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ----=_NextPart_000_000B_0267BDD4.57264BEB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ----=_NextPart_000_000B_0267BDD4.57264BEB-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Mar 01 23:46:58 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 20355 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2006 23:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2006 23:46:58 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 20345 invoked by uid 107); 1 Mar 2006 23:46:56 -0000 Received: from [193.162.159.95] (HELO pasmtp.tele.dk) (193.162.159.95) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:46:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.69] (0x5731d32c.bynxx15.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [87.49.211.44]) by pasmtp.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5801EC324 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 00:46:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <44063247.9010503@alumni.princeton.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:46:15 -0500 From: Erin Mulder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050715) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Anyone interested in a Rails talk? References: <0604EF8813E6412C955C006080297C85.MAI@mailservices.e-insites.com> In-Reply-To: <0604EF8813E6412C955C006080297C85.MAI@mailservices.e-insites.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mike Cahill wrote: > I'd be interested in maybe something along the lines of an introduction. > I've heard some cool things about it, buthave never really gotten to > take more than a quick look at the subject. Maybe something like.. > "here's an intro.. if you like what you hear, here's the RoR group info." On the flip side... One of the most painful things in Rails development is configuring it to run with Apache + FastCGI. A lot of people have switched to Lighttpd instead to avoid the pain. If any PLUG user gets inspired by Rails and wants to return the favor with a "Secrets to Painless Apache/FastCGI/Rails Configuration" talk at a PhillyOnRails meeting, we'd welcome you with open arms. :) Cheers, Erin ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Mar 02 17:14:22 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 12988 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 17:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 17:14:21 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 12972 invoked by uid 107); 2 Mar 2006 17:14:18 -0000 Received: from [205.237.194.35] (HELO mxout-04.mxes.net) (205.237.194.35) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:14:18 -0500 Received: from [10.24.3.238] (dsl092-238-178.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.238.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F383A32C5 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:13:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <440727CA.7070609@marzke.net> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:13:46 -0500 From: Lee Marzke User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Adding a vmware vmdk as a tgz file References: <20060223104529.61960.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060223104529.61960.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org From the manpage: tar -rf tarfile.tar newfile Lee Nick Read wrote: > Hi There, > > I am attemping to tar a file but can anyone please > give me a simple cmd line to add the file please to a > tar archive? > > Many Thanks > > Nick > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Mar 02 17:44:50 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 24480 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 17:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 17:44:50 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 24466 invoked by uid 107); 2 Mar 2006 17:44:47 -0000 Received: from [64.233.184.203] (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.203) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:44:47 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so465371wra for ; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:44:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=VGfubT4d3zFpvzrvToS20AimVwCYJ6X+SHTyWkXIXNPBUGgEqvrl8YIvwS4CkATUE0vuNQ+A/zi6FAY+qS3EjzIz5umfyRMppchPw62LRtYV3NxcRerzuyz5CxiZWLLgneGv9kghNrVbaV/8N8iQGlk4l9he9ax493VdhagT0J0= Received: by 10.65.74.6 with SMTP id b6mr811177qbl; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.179.3 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:44:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:44:44 -0500 From: "Jeff Watson" To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org In-Reply-To: <440724a3.3b569521.47c1.ffffa1cdSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <440724a3.3b569521.47c1.ffffa1cdSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Subject: [PLUG] Re: plug Digest, Vol 16, Issue 2 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0209374305==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0209374305== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1049_30341403.1141321484727" ------=_Part_1049_30341403.1141321484727 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I myself would be interested in the discussion, as would a couple of friends of mine. I have enacted the "Rails" enthusiast phone-tree.... keep us posted... ------=_Part_1049_30341403.1141321484727 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I myself would be interested in the discussion, as would a   coup= le of friends of mine. I have enacted the "Rails" enthusiast phon= e-tree.... keep us posted...
------=_Part_1049_30341403.1141321484727-- --===============0209374305== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0209374305==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Mar 02 19:22:55 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 6706 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 19:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 19:22:55 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 6691 invoked by uid 107); 2 Mar 2006 19:22:53 -0000 Received: from [216.158.48.66] (HELO smtp-relay.dca.net) (216.158.48.66) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:22:53 -0500 Received: from [10.17.17.3] (adsl-216-158-52-153.cust.oldcity.dca.net [216.158.52.153]) by smtp-relay.dca.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B393149F8 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.17.17.5] (jupiter.solarsys.private [10.17.17.5]) by earth.solarsys.private (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C217BF13 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by jupiter.solarsys.private (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F3C14CF151; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:22:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:22:24 -0500 From: "Mark M. Hoffman" To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Message-ID: <20060302192224.GA6327@jupiter.solarsys.private> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: [PLUG] [OT] patents X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Hi: It was stated last night at the PLUG meeting that Microsoft produces patents at the rate of 1100 per day. I couldn't believe that figure, so I did some googling over lunch today: "Patent applications are received at the rate of over 350,000 per year." http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/doc/general/#uspto (1100 x 365 > 350000, and those are just *applications*) "The USPTO issued 151,079 utility patents in fiscal year 2005." http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_3845.shtml "During the past two years alone, according to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office's online search server, Microsoft has received about 1,000 patents, or an average of 10 a week." [April 12, 2004] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1566299,00.asp Regards, -- Mark M. Hoffman mhoffman@lightlink.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Mar 02 19:34:40 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 8653 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 19:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 19:34:39 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 8631 invoked by uid 107); 2 Mar 2006 19:34:37 -0000 Received: from [205.237.194.35] (HELO mxout-04.mxes.net) (205.237.194.35) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:34:37 -0500 Received: from [10.24.3.238] (dsl092-238-178.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.238.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08824A32E9 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:34:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <440748B6.5000307@marzke.net> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:34:14 -0500 From: Lee Marzke User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List References: <20060301162608.GB24700@adidas.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20060301162608.GB24700@adidas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] VMware new (free) player X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Several people were asking about VMWARE's new player at my Asterisk PLUG talk last night. The Vmware Player is a free download, that allows you to run 'virtual machines that others have created. Get it here: http://www.vmware.com/download/player/ This means you can: - run a virtual Linux machine on your Windows PC or laptop -or- - run a virtual Windows machine on your Linux PC. In practice, the second option is limited, because Windows machines aren't free to distribute. You would need the full Vmware product to create your own Windows machine with your licensed Windows CDROM, the player can't do this. If you want to experiment, on the same web link above is "Vmware Browser Appliance" which is a small UBUNTU Linux distribution with FireFox. The UBUNTU has been stripped of most applications to reduce size, but it does have Apt and Synaptic enabled so you can download whatever else you want. I immediately added Emacs and Thunderbird, which are saved on your virtual disk file. If you want the latest versions you have to get them directly from mozilla.org Performance on my 800MHz 384Mb Thinkpad is almost as fast as native Linux, even while running some Windows applications. Sound and CDROM are supported, as well as a 'virtual' bridged or NAT'ed Ethernet connection to your host OS. A really interesting use of this technology would be to put your virtual disk on a USB stick. While traveling you could then run your own protected distribution on any Windows computer that had the player installed. My virtual machine is 1.7G so you would need a 2 or 4G stick. Haven't tried this yet, if anyone does I'd be interested in hearing about it. You can do something similar with the Knoppix, or DSL linux and a memory stick but that requires a re-boot of the host PC. Lee Marzke PS: There are at least two pre-built Asterisk@Home virtual machines at: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/community.html This might be useful for preliminary eval, but Digium and other HW cards don't work and I would expect call quality to be less than a real server. PS: Vmware has also released a free version of their entry level server product. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Mar 02 19:56:19 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 12015 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 19:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 19:56:18 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 11989 invoked by uid 107); 2 Mar 2006 19:56:16 -0000 Received: from [64.233.162.204] (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.204) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:56:16 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o1so524372nzf for ; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:56:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mKOz02M5xM/etSHAbVfooJ4kydHEKCD5PpUWSGN4vtjSr9tGsiPh/YpXTRX5ziizBrG+hPY6rD9TUdWPyfpLDECBZKcvg2YjLvCejODV4fwv0cQdxoxgOMQ3bsXnet+phffkOP1QGA29tfkkS/a3ybc2rXl9eO1Qp3X91gFS6h8= Received: by 10.36.109.2 with SMTP id h2mr2207016nzc; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:56:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.36.6 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:56:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6bb38bb80603021156m3c82e1ebmd4245b74ffb0f5d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:56:12 -0500 From: "Michael Lazin" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] VMware new (free) player In-Reply-To: <440748B6.5000307@marzke.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060301162608.GB24700@adidas.localdomain> <440748B6.5000307@marzke.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1693033596==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1693033596== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9404_8752529.1141329372722" ------=_Part_9404_8752529.1141329372722 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline It is possible to prepare virtual machines for vmplayer without owning a full copy of vmware. See http://www.revfry.com/2006/02/17/creating-virtual-machines-for-vmplayer. I used a similar method with qemu to create a Solaris 10 virtual machine. Yo= u could use the same method to create a Windows virtual machine on linux. On 3/2/06, Lee Marzke wrote: > > Several people were asking about VMWARE's new player at my Asterisk PLUG > talk last night. > > The Vmware Player is a free download, that allows you to run 'virtual > machines that > others have created. > > Get it here: http://www.vmware.com/download/player/ > > This means you can: > - run a virtual Linux machine on your Windows PC or laptop -or- > - run a virtual Windows machine on your Linux PC. > > In practice, the second option is limited, because Windows machines > aren't free to distribute. > You would need the full Vmware product to create your own Windows > machine with your > licensed Windows CDROM, the player can't do this. > > If you want to experiment, on the same web link above is "Vmware Browser > Appliance" which is > a small UBUNTU Linux distribution with FireFox. The UBUNTU has been > stripped of most > applications to reduce size, but it does have Apt and Synaptic enabled > so you can download > whatever else you want. I immediately added Emacs and Thunderbird, > which are saved on > your virtual disk file. If you want the latest versions you have to get > them directly from mozilla.org > > Performance on my 800MHz 384Mb Thinkpad is almost as fast as native > Linux, even while running > some Windows applications. Sound and CDROM are supported, as well as > a 'virtual' bridged or > NAT'ed Ethernet connection to your host OS. > > A really interesting use of this technology would be to put your virtual > disk on a USB stick. > While traveling you could then run your own protected distribution on > any Windows computer > that had the player installed. My virtual machine is 1.7G so you would > need a 2 or 4G stick. > Haven't tried this yet, if anyone does I'd be interested in hearing > about it. > > You can do something similar with the Knoppix, or DSL linux and a memory > stick but that > requires a re-boot of the host PC. > > Lee Marzke > > PS: There are at least two pre-built Asterisk@Home virtual machines at: > http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/community.html > This might be useful for preliminary eval, but Digium and other HW > cards don't work and > I would expect call quality to be less than a real server. > > > PS: Vmware has also released a free version of their entry level server > product. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ------=_Part_9404_8752529.1141329372722 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline It is possible to prepare virtual machines for vmplayer without owning a full copy of vmware.  See http://www.revfry.com/2006/02/17/creating-virtual-machines-for-vmp= layer.  I used a similar method with qemu to create a Solaris 10 virtual machine.  You could use the same method to create a Windows virtual machine on linux. 

On= 3/2/06, Lee Marzke <lee@marzke.net> wrote:
Several people were asking about VMWARE's new player at my Asterisk PLUGtalk last night.

The Vmware Player is a free download,  t= hat allows you to run 'virtual
machines that
others have created.
=
Get it here:  =20 http://www.vmware.com/do= wnload/player/

This means you can:
   - run a virtu= al Linux machine on your Windows PC or laptop     =   -or-
   - run a virtual Windows machine on your Linux P= C.

In practice,  the second option is limited, because Windo= ws machines
aren't free to distribute.
You would need the full Vmware= product to create your own Windows
machine with your
licensed Window= s CDROM,  the player can't do this.

If you want to experiment, on the same web link above is "Vmwa= re Browser
Appliance" which is
a small UBUNTU Linux distribution= with FireFox.    The UBUNTU has been
stripped =  of most
applications to reduce size,  but it does have A= pt and Synaptic enabled
so you can download
whatever else you want.  I immediately= added Emacs and Thunderbird,
which are saved on
your virtual disk fi= le.  If you want the latest versions you have to get
them dire= ctly from mozilla.org

Performance on my 800MHz  384Mb Thinkpad i= s almost as fast as native
Linux, even while running
some Windows app= lications.    Sound and CDROM are supported, as well as=
a 'virtual' bridged or
NAT'ed Ethernet connection to your host OS.

A really interesting= use of this technology would be to put your virtual
disk on a USB stick= .
While traveling  you could then run your own protected distr= ibution on
any Windows computer
that had the player installed.  My vi= rtual machine is 1.7G so you would
need a 2 or 4G stick.
Haven't trie= d this yet,  if anyone does I'd be interested in hearing
about= it.

You can do something similar with the Knoppix, or DSL linux and= a memory
stick but that
requires a re-boot of the host PC.

Lee Marzke<= br>
PS:  There are at least two pre-built Asterisk@Home virtua= l machines at:
http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/community.html
This might be u= seful for preliminary eval,  but Digium and other HW
cards don= 't work and
I would expect call quality to be less than a real server.

PS: Vmware has also released a free version of their entry level server=
product.




___________________________________________= ________________________________
Philadelphia Linux Users Group         --        http://www.phillylinux.org
Announcements - http://lists.p= hillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce
General Discussion  --   http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailm= an/listinfo/plug

------=_Part_9404_8752529.1141329372722-- --===============1693033596== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1693033596==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Mar 02 20:00:52 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 13090 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 20:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 20:00:51 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 13076 invoked by uid 107); 2 Mar 2006 20:00:48 -0000 Received: from [66.33.193.188] (HELO firey.dreamhost.com) (66.33.193.188) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:00:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-69-142-94-59.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [69.142.94.59]) by firey.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AE316E7CB for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:00:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:00:24 -0500 From: Toby DiPasquale To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] [OT] patents Message-ID: <20060302200024.GA27765@adidas.localdomain> References: <20060302192224.GA6327@jupiter.solarsys.private> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060302192224.GA6327@jupiter.solarsys.private> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 02:22:24PM -0500, Mark M. Hoffman wrote: > Hi: > > It was stated last night at the PLUG meeting that Microsoft produces > patents at the rate of 1100 per day. I couldn't believe that figure, > so I did some googling over lunch today: > > "Patent applications are received at the rate of over 350,000 per year." > http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/doc/general/#uspto > > (1100 x 365 > 350000, and those are just *applications*) > > "The USPTO issued 151,079 utility patents in fiscal year 2005." > http://communitydispatch.com/artman/publish/article_3845.shtml > > "During the past two years alone, according to the U.S. Patent and > Trademark Office's online search server, Microsoft has received > about 1,000 patents, or an average of 10 a week." [April 12, 2004] > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1566299,00.asp But I read it on the Internet... it must be true! ;-) -- Toby DiPasquale ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Mar 02 22:32:14 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 32600 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 22:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 22:32:14 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 32590 invoked by uid 107); 2 Mar 2006 22:32:12 -0000 Received: from [66.163.179.155] (HELO web35701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.155) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:32:12 -0500 Received: (qmail 94956 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2006 22:31:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kQ+QZVnb8ueGvBQGobPOpw+Tiw+HEfnSfG1up5dQ+9V1f0duwPkRAWTPvjjMjd0rtXMXnSu1glQayIaXYoIKqRFWTuZov7FeBVkfxtsYWc0lXl7KH79SJwhbcLi3DGLWOH2Q15qt+TBb1T7shA+fruT8JLrfYX4Devq9YE7QO/0= ; Message-ID: <20060302223150.94954.qmail@web35701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.162.110.43] by web35701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:31:50 PST Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:31:50 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Zucchelli To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [PLUG] 'apt-get remove exim4-config' also uninstalled mysql!! X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I wanted to uninstall exim so I can compile qmail with the smtp auth patch, so I ran: apt-get remove exim4-config This also uninstalled mysql and postgresql. Since I was using mysql, I installed it again with apt-get, and it goes ahead and installs exim!! When I was reading up on installing qmail, some site said its a good idea to install a 'fake MTA' because certain programs require that and if they need it, your packaging system will go ahead and get one. There is an rpm for this, but I am in debian and using apt-get. I dont know much about packaging software at all I've always just compiled my stuff. Can anyone point me in the right direction here? Marc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 00:00:52 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 10889 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 00:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 00:00:52 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 10879 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 00:00:48 -0000 Received: from [82.71.90.98] (HELO mail.lobefin.net) (82.71.90.98) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:00:48 -0500 Received: from lobefin.net ([82.71.90.97] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by mail.lobefin.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1FExiR-0007N8-4h for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:00:16 +0000 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FExiR-0000BH-Lx for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:00:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 00:00:15 +0000 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] 'apt-get remove exim4-config' also uninstalled mysql!! Message-ID: <20060303000015.GA21741@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <20060302223150.94954.qmail@web35701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20060302223150.94954.qmail@web35701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.8-2-686-smp i686 X-Uptime: 37 days X-Latin: Hodie postridie Kalendas Martias MMDCCLIX ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Sweetmorn, the 61st day of Chaos in the YOLD 3172 X-DDate: Only 2430815 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Authenticated-Sender: steve X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.88/1310 on mail.lobefin.net; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:00:16 +0000 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0607982102==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0607982102== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7" Content-Disposition: inline --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 02:31:50PM -0800, Marc Zucchelli said: > I wanted to uninstall exim so I can compile qmail with > the smtp auth patch, so I ran: >=20 > apt-get remove exim4-config >=20 > This also uninstalled mysql and postgresql. >=20 > Since I was using mysql, I installed it again with > apt-get, and it goes ahead and installs exim!! >=20 > When I was reading up on installing qmail, some site > said its a good idea to install a 'fake MTA' because > certain programs require that and if they need it, > your packaging system will go ahead and get one.=20 > There is an rpm for this, but I am in debian and using > apt-get. >=20 > I dont know much about packaging software at all I've > always just compiled my stuff. >=20 > Can anyone point me in the right direction here? apt-cache show qmail-src (It's in non-free) Since qmail doesn't update very often, presumably the patch will apply, and the resulting deb will satisy the packaging system. Now that that's said, why qmail? Is there really something it can do that other MTA's can't? I ask because about 80% of my backscatter spam comes from qmail installations, so I have to admit I am fairly prejudiced against it as an MTA choice. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | The secret source of humor is not joy | | steve@lobefin.net | but sorrow; there is no humor in | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | Heaven. -- Mark Twain | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEB4cPSYIMHOpZA44RAvzCAJsH2O27RqTPH6KULWm2jAfgH7ezCwCfZZIw advyh1meUYDReBqskagcjEE= =Lxhc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7-- --===============0607982102== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0607982102==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 01:47:51 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21800 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 01:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 01:47:50 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21786 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 01:47:48 -0000 Received: from [66.163.179.162] (HELO web35708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.162) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:47:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 30411 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2006 01:47:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XNpZQQL2HTAFjeoOVE4CSLIxGsMZOa2360ylM1k1te8Vc24awIbu6AidgFmrol01woNWToERdHsE8KmDpa9bZNdQzP3hMxFn86hPMcwh0RIgcnbKrqOAa6HKCiEBzO/87/lmFUCM2fJ3QKBXf765RXsXEF5AWJQXdg45Wd2SJ6o= ; Message-ID: <20060303014720.30409.qmail@web35708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.162.110.43] by web35708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:47:20 PST Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:47:20 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Zucchelli Subject: Re: [PLUG] 'apt-get remove exim4-config' also uninstalled mysql!! To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <20060303000015.GA21741@www.lobefin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org UPDATE: I was able to build a fake mta .deb package and get everything done. > Now that that's said, why qmail? Is there really > something it can do > that other MTA's can't? I ask because about 80% of > my backscatter spam > comes from qmail installations, so I have to admit I > am fairly > prejudiced against it as an MTA choice. I cant stand sendmail. I've never usered exim or postfix, but I chose qmail because of its excellent reputation for security (I dont think there was ever a security hole) and performance. It promises never to loose a single email, I like Maildir better than mbox. Its very easy to configure, and I like the fact that I can tell whats going on in the queue. Not to mention I didnt choose exim because I had a webhosting account on a server that uses exim, there was a spammer on the server, and exim was constantly taking the load on the quad xeon machine over 350. I hear that with qmail the load stays reasonable. Looks like there are some patches for qmail available prevent the backscatter. I will have to look into them, of course I have to be care since I already am applying a patch for smtp-auth! Marc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 04:45:38 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 7719 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 04:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 04:45:37 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 7704 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 04:45:34 -0000 Received: from [146.145.66.90] (HELO beck.quonix.net) (146.145.66.90) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:45:34 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (pool-71-126-104-40.phlapa.east.verizon.net [71.126.104.40]) by beck.quonix.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k234j3bi000725 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:45:03 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060302200024.GA27765@adidas.localdomain> References: <20060302192224.GA6327@jupiter.solarsys.private> <20060302200024.GA27765@adidas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2e682995a4471893e1ba642ad28557f2@essenz.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Von Essen Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:45:07 -0500 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Spamassassin-Score: 1.799/5.8 AWL, BAYES_00, DRUGS_ERECTILE, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Mimedefang: beck.quonix.net X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 146.145.66.90 Subject: [PLUG] [OT] Comcast RBL X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is sort of off-topic, but maybe somebody on this list works at Comcast and the message can be forwarded to their bone-head mail admins. Apparently, Comcast uses an internal blacklist for spam purposes. I say internal, because no info about it is available online (like a web-gui to pro-actively check your server against, or a hookin to openrbl.org) and you can't do a RR lookup against it like other rbls. In the past week I have had to deal with three groups, all of which have been blacklisted by this rbl (comcast calls it rblmx.comcast.net - but publicly that doesnt resolve to anything). One of the groups was an ISP, the other two were small companies. I say bone-head mail admins because from what I can tell, this is a 100% PASS/FAIL type of blacklist. If you are in it, its a 100% blocking of your mail. Haven't they got the message, spam filtering needs to be based on a scoring system like SA. Otherwise, you are going to have TONS of false positives. And for an enormous ISP/mail provider, they should be embarrassed by the amount of legitimate email they are blocking. While they are at it, they might as well block every single email with the word viagra in it. Clearly, if that word exists, then it MUST be spam - including this very own email. Oh and here is the final kicker, if your on the blacklist - you cant email comcast about it. The abuse@ and postmaster@ accounts use the same blacklist. One would think that the accounts that have been setup to resolve mail issues, would NOT have filtering enabled - which is the cause of the issue in the first place. So you have to setup a hotmail account just to report the issue. Argh... john ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 05:35:09 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 13997 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 05:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 05:35:08 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 13863 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 05:35:02 -0000 Received: from [66.163.179.168] (HELO web35714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.168) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:35:02 -0500 Received: (qmail 96423 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2006 05:34:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3HpBXGAc+byewlRX4n69wd7BW+dtFanb2Ndpt8z6yWFqvwCtMiHCjbLvqVTKw6TfOPBUP6T3lQhomJohf8sND5J27QLvsU83ZXHcLnyXjGuTI1EtYjopXmmJxeA3juo0KGbNd3Y5M9d/cm+0/mT7pArgqMym7OCXCoildGsqIKg= ; Message-ID: <20060303053440.96421.qmail@web35714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.162.110.43] by web35714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:34:40 PST Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:34:40 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Zucchelli Subject: Re: [PLUG] 'apt-get remove exim4-config' also uninstalled mysql!! To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <20060303014720.30409.qmail@web35708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > > Now that that's said, why qmail? Is there really > > something it can do > > that other MTA's can't? I ask because about 80% > of > > my backscatter spam I was just able to apply this patch to prevent backscatter: http://multivac.cwru.edu./qmail/#realrcptto I couldnt use the patch command because I had already patched it for smtpauth, so I basicly went through the patch file by hand and did it all manually. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 05:52:58 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 15871 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 05:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 05:52:57 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 15861 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 05:52:55 -0000 Received: from [68.42.28.147] (HELO undergroundinfection.net) (68.42.28.147) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:52:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 30864 invoked by uid 520); 3 Mar 2006 00:52:33 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.1 by undergroundinfection.net (envelope-from , uid 519) with qmail-scanner-1.25-st-qms (clamdscan: 0.83/1000. spamassassin: 3.0.2. perlscan: 1.25-st-qms. Clear:RC:0(192.168.1.1):SA:0(-2.6/5.0):. Processed in 4.741002 secs); 03 Mar 2006 05:52:33 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 X-Antivirus-undergroundinfection.net-Mail-From: tek@undergroundinfection.net via undergroundinfection.net X-Antivirus-undergroundinfection.net: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:0(192.168.1.1):SA:0(-2.6/5.0):. Processed in 4.741002 secs Process 30855) Received: from unknown (HELO undergroundinfection.net) (tek@undergroundinfection.net@192.168.1.1) by undergroundinfection.net with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 00:52:28 -0500 Received: from 67.88.18.82 (SquirrelMail authenticated user tek@undergroundinfection.net) by undergroundinfection.net with HTTP; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 00:52:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <16517.67.88.18.82.1141365148.squirrel@undergroundinfection.net> In-Reply-To: <2e682995a4471893e1ba642ad28557f2@essenz.com> References: <20060302192224.GA6327@jupiter.solarsys.private> <20060302200024.GA27765@adidas.localdomain> <2e682995a4471893e1ba642ad28557f2@essenz.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 00:52:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PLUG] [OT] Comcast RBL From: tek@undergroundinfection.net To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > This is sort of off-topic, but maybe somebody on this list works at > Comcast and the message can be forwarded to their bone-head mail > admins. > > Apparently, Comcast uses an internal blacklist for spam purposes. I say > internal, because no info about it is available online (like a web-gui > to pro-actively check your server against, or a hookin to openrbl.org) > and you can't do a RR lookup against it like other rbls. > > In the past week I have had to deal with three groups, all of which > have been blacklisted by this rbl (comcast calls it rblmx.comcast.net - > but publicly that doesnt resolve to anything). One of the groups was an > ISP, the other two were small companies. > > I say bone-head mail admins because from what I can tell, this is a > 100% PASS/FAIL type of blacklist. If you are in it, its a 100% blocking > of your mail. Haven't they got the message, spam filtering needs to be > based on a scoring system like SA. Otherwise, you are going to have > TONS of false positives. And for an enormous ISP/mail provider, they > should be embarrassed by the amount of legitimate email they are > blocking. > > While they are at it, they might as well block every single email with > the word viagra in it. Clearly, if that word exists, then it MUST be > spam - including this very own email. > > Oh and here is the final kicker, if your on the blacklist - you cant > email comcast about it. The abuse@ and postmaster@ accounts use the > same blacklist. One would think that the accounts that have been setup > to resolve mail issues, would NOT have filtering enabled - which is the > cause of the issue in the first place. So you have to setup a hotmail > account just to report the issue. > > Argh... > john > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > Maybe now is a good time to setup your own mail server. The only thing I rely on comcast for, is access. And they can barely do that right. Spend the 6 bucks, get a domain, set up qmail and pretend comast is a good isp. We could hope for a better cable provider but the government killed that chance by deciding that the cable companies don't have to share the wire(gotta love monopolies). Personally I think once the electric companies finalise broadband through a power outlet(it's coming), comcast is done for. Prices will drop and competetion will be back in the game. right now the only true competitor is verizon(hehe) and they're more than happy to be the next aol(cheap slower internet). ----------------------------------------------------------------- Tek-69 <--===Keep Hope Alive===--> gpg fingerprint: 4080 B320 FF1A 4AEC F6F6 A5D2 E2C5 4225 604B 1540 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBENdYOYRBACSo6qBzhLPnwXRxV3VO3dlN2rU6cp5T9mIvPsGFwZlBfowi/yo YFNOj/cia3rtk6tf/KUBrkocmVmuT7STIpdvOB7YYLf68MVtg/hlijSH9t0id4ps Fotg70a+Gz0GP2SluKycaYym/7LTy2BSHLL3M1TvsSdetQptqulAch1yZwCgx1LN 8IeBeCQpzuYdChgl2o70QUUEAIo7xKaTca7StgO+AAlS6eAc60Cm3xUKkqOzgP/a pBZIthDcWs13aAJ+Hn2wX8VSPf9LZ38bxMnmZVnDeKeN/1BVtQ6ihMIOumRoP0o7 IRiBhf5xGbcEy8bcjhwP9kLEzhKMt7cge7wwhTj7MUIXRvuo5NJILFk3PP6Vv1ep UJf6A/kB9tEwSD+CQYNor8INtg+MFzJ7Xukgf3Gzygspf4hZJhydxi0eaLffWGce RhgCEYMgqEx9xSbfCBjpA02HU33v76vD408DFg18r2NJfHrbXFcXRuZePeBQfv0H e5uZigJC1m+bPOg9klboOb6+mIEoyIq5Oj6WB3Q5M3JSrZbRoLQ3VGVrLTY5IChL ZWVwIEhvcGUgQWxpdmUpIDx0ZWtAdW5kZXJncm91bmRpbmZlY3Rpb24ubmV0Pohe BBMRAgAeBQJDXWDmAhsDBgsJCAcDAgMVAgMDFgIBAh4BAheAAAoJEOLFQiVgSxVA m68AnieT9QVKj8maTmsszbdo1JWr+6qkAJ9IUYd2t2/yBqM5PqGoSIeACNcTRLkB DQRDXWDoEAQAxbQk6tqzYfi3YsIcvpRI1iFLdhqWrMEOM3XR2dKGNtyfChsnV51s DA+1qsUNJzaoy9qfgM3cS6WxXeig6vuHqB9n9FYqIZQNV+uen6UswV7AjycQ1Ia5 XopnnXD8K/MX58lTgmsEo0RsooHpJt8WwlVLqfXPUu80GZ/c4emrUa8AAwUD/RMy dyXkQZ1sFMeFaIBglmOWUK5ZBfjI4qwtV/Oy7tCxaaOUlzyQSe/5jX3P/FPMM+u8 dn38bKKdZqyNQm+OsRyNuplfbbVAC9sSt1j8YLZlcBLajrnr91AxTdXwk4wJCbWa NGwMR+i5UNgBRXcscmRYj+twOM9GzIrDwlPsl/C6iEkEGBECAAkFAkNdYOgCGwwA CgkQ4sVCJWBLFUBlWwCgsVdVb4KlI/0R6pQj528LuSPQ+OoAn0h7ekCWwe7Jcjnk vVwBfcdWPCAm =5o+4 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 07:16:35 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 24489 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 07:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 07:16:35 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 24471 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 07:16:31 -0000 Received: from [66.92.235.170] (HELO stout.gradientsolutions.net) (66.92.235.170) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 02:16:31 -0500 Received: from sativa.seanius.net (sativa.yale-house.net [10.0.0.113]) by stout.gradientsolutions.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B951B9EA for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 02:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by sativa.seanius.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 11F7CB834; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 02:16:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 02:16:08 -0500 From: sean finney To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] 'apt-get remove exim4-config' also uninstalled mysql!! Message-ID: <20060303071608.GA23571@seanius.net> References: <20060302223150.94954.qmail@web35701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20060302223150.94954.qmail@web35701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060126 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2131183088==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============2131183088== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi marc, On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 02:31:50PM -0800, Marc Zucchelli wrote: > When I was reading up on installing qmail, some site > said its a good idea to install a 'fake MTA' because > certain programs require that and if they need it, > your packaging system will go ahead and get one.=20 > There is an rpm for this, but I am in debian and using > apt-get. >=20 > I dont know much about packaging software at all I've > always just compiled my stuff. >=20 > Can anyone point me in the right direction here? the version of mysql you're using (testing or maybe earlier?) depends on the mailx package, which in turn depends on the virtual mail-transport-agent package[1], which is the "fake MTA" to which you were alluding earlier. when you remove your MTA, you also remove anything that depends on having an MTA. if you really wanna go down this qmail route, the best thing to do would be to install a dummy "mail-transport-agent" by using the equivs package. i believe there is some sample documentation in equivs for how to do this. =20 also (putting my mysql co-maintainer hat on), newer versions of the mysql packages no longer depend on mailx but instead recommend it so that your database servers are not required to have fully functional MTA's on them as well. sean [1] a predefined "virtual package" indicating the system has the capability of sending mail via /usr/bin/sendmail. --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEB+04ynjLPm522B0RArIFAJ4jEyxhKmC+gB3s1lkkiDF1WN8jbACfWYM/ GZbfvO8554HHnQVtlw5l74Y= =ubU6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0-- --===============2131183088== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============2131183088==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 11:47:28 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 16077 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 11:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 11:47:27 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 16055 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 11:47:24 -0000 Received: from [68.46.133.119] (HELO ie-ap.org) (68.46.133.119) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 06:47:24 -0500 Received: from [164.145.52.188] (tmpnat1.honeywell.com [199.64.0.252]) by ie-ap.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k23BdYl0020790 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 06:39:35 -0500 Message-ID: <44082CAE.2080905@ie-ap.org> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 06:46:54 -0500 From: Eric Hidle User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] [OT] Comcast RBL References: <20060302192224.GA6327@jupiter.solarsys.private> <20060302200024.GA27765@adidas.localdomain> <2e682995a4471893e1ba642ad28557f2@essenz.com> <16517.67.88.18.82.1141365148.squirrel@undergroundinfection.net> In-Reply-To: <16517.67.88.18.82.1141365148.squirrel@undergroundinfection.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org The problem with running a mail server on comcast is that more and more places are blacklisting comcast IPs as origins of SPAM.... I constantly get bounces telling me to go through comcast's mail server to send mail... argh... E tek@undergroundinfection.net wrote: > Maybe now is a good time to setup your own mail server. The only thing I > rely on comcast for, is access. And they can barely do that right. Spend > the 6 bucks, get a domain, set up qmail and pretend comast is a good isp. > We could hope for a better cable provider but the government killed that > chance by deciding that the cable companies don't have to share the > wire(gotta love monopolies). Personally I think once the electric > companies finalise broadband through a power outlet(it's coming), comcast > is done for. Prices will drop and competetion will be back in the game. > right now the only true competitor is verizon(hehe) and they're more than > happy to be the next aol(cheap slower internet). > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 12:42:11 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 23034 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 12:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 12:42:10 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 23024 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 12:42:08 -0000 Received: from [158.130.53.105] (HELO widyono.seas.upenn.edu) (158.130.53.105) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 07:42:08 -0500 Received: from widyono.seas.upenn.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by widyono.seas.upenn.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k23CfltH004261 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 07:41:47 -0500 Received: (from widyono@localhost) by widyono.seas.upenn.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k23CflEr004260 for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 07:41:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 07:41:47 -0500 From: Dan Widyono To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] [OT] Comcast RBL Message-ID: <20060303124147.GA4248@widyono.seas.upenn.edu> References: <20060302192224.GA6327@jupiter.solarsys.private> <20060302200024.GA27765@adidas.localdomain> <2e682995a4471893e1ba642ad28557f2@essenz.com> <16517.67.88.18.82.1141365148.squirrel@undergroundinfection.net> <44082CAE.2080905@ie-ap.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44082CAE.2080905@ie-ap.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > The problem with running a mail server on comcast is that more and more > places are blacklisting comcast IPs as origins of SPAM.... I constantly > get bounces telling me to go through comcast's mail server to send > mail... argh... Configure your MTA to receive e-mail for you, and send through comcast's mail server. Dan W. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 13:51:50 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 31860 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 13:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 13:51:49 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 31850 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 13:51:47 -0000 Received: from [68.46.133.119] (HELO ie-ap.org) (68.46.133.119) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:51:47 -0500 Received: from [164.145.52.188] (tmpnat1.honeywell.com [199.64.0.252]) by ie-ap.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k23Di217015777 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:44:04 -0500 Message-ID: <440849DB.8050707@ie-ap.org> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:51:23 -0500 From: Eric Hidle User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] [OT] Comcast RBL References: <20060302192224.GA6327@jupiter.solarsys.private> <20060302200024.GA27765@adidas.localdomain> <2e682995a4471893e1ba642ad28557f2@essenz.com> <16517.67.88.18.82.1141365148.squirrel@undergroundinfection.net> <44082CAE.2080905@ie-ap.org> <20060303124147.GA4248@widyono.seas.upenn.edu> In-Reply-To: <20060303124147.GA4248@widyono.seas.upenn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I'm not going to pretend that comcast's mail servers will relay for my domain. E Dan Widyono wrote: >> The problem with running a mail server on comcast is that more and more >> places are blacklisting comcast IPs as origins of SPAM.... I constantly >> get bounces telling me to go through comcast's mail server to send >> mail... argh... >> > > Configure your MTA to receive e-mail for you, and send through comcast's mail > server. > > Dan W. > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 13:58:21 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 507 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 13:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 13:58:20 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 488 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 13:58:16 -0000 Received: from [204.127.200.84] (HELO sccrmhc14.comcast.net) (204.127.200.84) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:58:16 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.60] (c-69-136-127-76.hsd1.ar.comcast.net[69.136.127.76]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006030313574401400e6at2e>; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:57:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <440849DB.8050707@ie-ap.org> References: <20060302192224.GA6327@jupiter.solarsys.private> <20060302200024.GA27765@adidas.localdomain> <2e682995a4471893e1ba642ad28557f2@essenz.com> <16517.67.88.18.82.1141365148.squirrel@undergroundinfection.net> <44082CAE.2080905@ie-ap.org> <20060303124147.GA4248@widyono.seas.upenn.edu> <440849DB.8050707@ie-ap.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4A2531F1-0220-42FA-97FC-644EBE7B44DA@superk.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Krein Subject: Re: [PLUG] [OT] Comcast RBL Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 06:57:33 -0700 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org You don't have to pretend. If you are relaying from a computer on their network using your username/password it will relay your mail just fine. I did this for a couple years with my own Postfix box on Comcast. In Postfix you can set the domain for the outgoing headers so that it *appears* that all mail is coming from your domain. If someone looks more closely at the headers/email source it will be obvious that it's coming from a Comcast SMTP server, but that's pretty irrelevant usually. Benjamin Krein www.superk.org On Mar 3, 2006, at 6:51 AM, Eric Hidle wrote: > I'm not going to pretend that comcast's mail servers will relay for > my domain. > E > > Dan Widyono wrote: >>> The problem with running a mail server on comcast is that more >>> and more places are blacklisting comcast IPs as origins of >>> SPAM.... I constantly get bounces telling me to go through >>> comcast's mail server to send mail... argh... >>> >> >> Configure your MTA to receive e-mail for you, and send through >> comcast's mail >> server. >> >> Dan W. >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> ______ >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http:// >> www.phillylinux.org >> Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug- >> announce >> General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/ >> listinfo/plug >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > _____ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http:// > www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug- > announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/ > listinfo/plug Benjamin Krein www.superk.org ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 14:51:48 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 8323 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 14:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 14:51:48 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 8310 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 14:51:45 -0000 Received: from [207.245.69.226] (HELO bridget.crompton.com) (207.245.69.226) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:51:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by bridget.crompton.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id k23EpO332291 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:51:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:51:24 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Crompton To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] [OT] Comcast RBL In-Reply-To: <16517.67.88.18.82.1141365148.squirrel@undergroundinfection.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 tek@undergroundinfection.net wrote: > Maybe now is a good time to setup your own mail server. The only thing I > rely on comcast for, is access. And they can barely do that right. Spend > the 6 bucks, get a domain, set up qmail and pretend comast is a good isp. > We could hope for a better cable provider but the government killed that > chance by deciding that the cable companies don't have to share the > wire(gotta love monopolies). Personally I think once the electric > companies finalise broadband through a power outlet(it's coming), comcast > is done for. Prices will drop and competetion will be back in the game. > right now the only true competitor is verizon(hehe) and they're more than > happy to be the next aol(cheap slower internet). > Yes I agree. I am DSL and I have only used my provider as a connection to the internet for the last 10 years. The problem is will Comcast allow you to do that? And if they do I guess they could just as easily shut that off! The Powerline Ssytems (BPL) are all but dead due to interference issues. Technically they were a bust from the beginning. Putting RF energy on a single open wire feeder radiates (and receives) energy period. Dozens of systems including one in Allentown (PP&L) have started pilot programs and shortly shutdown. As far as I know PECO has not used it. Verizon will be the next much faster internet. The fiber to premises that is mostly installed here in Bucks County is up to 15mb and will have TV as soon as they get the franchises in place. Philly proper is supposed to be 100% wireless in a year. This will not be an optimum system speedwise but for many of the poorer communities it should be a good thing. They are promising access fees as low as $10 for the poor. So Comcast is going to have some stiff competition in the near future. Most people think it is their only choice and the slick TV ads would make you believe it is faster and more reliable than DSL both of which are generally not true. Verizon is teamed up with DirectTV until they get their own TV going and they offer some attractive packages with their fiber or DSL and DirectTV combined. Doug **************************** * Doug Crompton * * Richboro, PA 18954 * * 215-431-6307 * * * * doug@crompton.com * * http://www.crompton.com * **************************** ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 15:53:13 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 16242 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 15:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 15:53:13 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 16230 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 15:53:10 -0000 Received: from [146.145.66.90] (HELO beck.quonix.net) (146.145.66.90) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:53:10 -0500 Received: from beck.quonix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beck.quonix.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k23Fqas6031893 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (essenz@localhost) by beck.quonix.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id k23FqaSC031890 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:52:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: beck.quonix.net: essenz owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:52:35 -0500 (EST) From: John Von Essen X-X-Sender: essenz@beck.quonix.net To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] [OT] Comcast RBL In-Reply-To: <16517.67.88.18.82.1141365148.squirrel@undergroundinfection.net> Message-ID: <20060303104303.I31073@beck.quonix.net> References: <20060302192224.GA6327@jupiter.solarsys.private> <20060302200024.GA27765@adidas.localdomain> <2e682995a4471893e1ba642ad28557f2@essenz.com> <16517.67.88.18.82.1141365148.squirrel@undergroundinfection.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spamassassin-Score: -4.074/5.8 ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00,DRUGS_ERECTILE X-Mimedefang: beck.quonix.net X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 146.145.66.90 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Running my own mail server has nothing to do with it. I already do. And I maintain an smtp relay cluster for a large regional ISP. That, plus my personal colo mail server, plus work I do for some local businesses - is what led me to my comments. All of these sources have having their msgs to comcact blacklisted by this stupid internal rbl that they use. Was doing some googling, and many others have this problem. Apparrently, HSN (home shopping network) was blocked for awhile. HSN fought with Comcast, because users weren't getting their order confirmation emails and tracking info. From HSN's experience, it takes very little to get in this rbl, and it takes alot of effort to get off. I take solace in the fact that comcast is a dying beast. Once the two telco giants (SBC-ATT and Verizon-MCI) cover this country in fiber, I dont see how cable companies can survive - especially for internet access (which they suck at anyway). -john On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 tek@undergroundinfection.net wrote: > > > This is sort of off-topic, but maybe somebody on this list works at > > Comcast and the message can be forwarded to their bone-head mail > > admins. > > > > Apparently, Comcast uses an internal blacklist for spam purposes. I say > > internal, because no info about it is available online (like a web-gui > > to pro-actively check your server against, or a hookin to openrbl.org) > > and you can't do a RR lookup against it like other rbls. > > > > In the past week I have had to deal with three groups, all of which > > have been blacklisted by this rbl (comcast calls it rblmx.comcast.net - > > but publicly that doesnt resolve to anything). One of the groups was an > > ISP, the other two were small companies. > > > > I say bone-head mail admins because from what I can tell, this is a > > 100% PASS/FAIL type of blacklist. If you are in it, its a 100% blocking > > of your mail. Haven't they got the message, spam filtering needs to be > > based on a scoring system like SA. Otherwise, you are going to have > > TONS of false positives. And for an enormous ISP/mail provider, they > > should be embarrassed by the amount of legitimate email they are > > blocking. > > > > While they are at it, they might as well block every single email with > > the word viagra in it. Clearly, if that word exists, then it MUST be > > spam - including this very own email. > > > > Oh and here is the final kicker, if your on the blacklist - you cant > > email comcast about it. The abuse@ and postmaster@ accounts use the > > same blacklist. One would think that the accounts that have been setup > > to resolve mail issues, would NOT have filtering enabled - which is the > > cause of the issue in the first place. So you have to setup a hotmail > > account just to report the issue. > > > > Argh... > > john > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > > http://www.phillylinux.org > > Announcements - > > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > > General Discussion -- > > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > Maybe now is a good time to setup your own mail server. The only thing I > rely on comcast for, is access. And they can barely do that right. Spend > the 6 bucks, get a domain, set up qmail and pretend comast is a good isp. > We could hope for a better cable provider but the government killed that > chance by deciding that the cable companies don't have to share the > wire(gotta love monopolies). Personally I think once the electric > companies finalise broadband through a power outlet(it's coming), comcast > is done for. Prices will drop and competetion will be back in the game. > right now the only true competitor is verizon(hehe) and they're more than > happy to be the next aol(cheap slower internet). > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Tek-69 > <--===Keep Hope Alive===--> > > gpg fingerprint: > 4080 B320 FF1A 4AEC F6F6 A5D2 E2C5 4225 604B 1540 > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) > > mQGiBENdYOYRBACSo6qBzhLPnwXRxV3VO3dlN2rU6cp5T9mIvPsGFwZlBfowi/yo > YFNOj/cia3rtk6tf/KUBrkocmVmuT7STIpdvOB7YYLf68MVtg/hlijSH9t0id4ps > Fotg70a+Gz0GP2SluKycaYym/7LTy2BSHLL3M1TvsSdetQptqulAch1yZwCgx1LN > 8IeBeCQpzuYdChgl2o70QUUEAIo7xKaTca7StgO+AAlS6eAc60Cm3xUKkqOzgP/a > pBZIthDcWs13aAJ+Hn2wX8VSPf9LZ38bxMnmZVnDeKeN/1BVtQ6ihMIOumRoP0o7 > IRiBhf5xGbcEy8bcjhwP9kLEzhKMt7cge7wwhTj7MUIXRvuo5NJILFk3PP6Vv1ep > UJf6A/kB9tEwSD+CQYNor8INtg+MFzJ7Xukgf3Gzygspf4hZJhydxi0eaLffWGce > RhgCEYMgqEx9xSbfCBjpA02HU33v76vD408DFg18r2NJfHrbXFcXRuZePeBQfv0H > e5uZigJC1m+bPOg9klboOb6+mIEoyIq5Oj6WB3Q5M3JSrZbRoLQ3VGVrLTY5IChL > ZWVwIEhvcGUgQWxpdmUpIDx0ZWtAdW5kZXJncm91bmRpbmZlY3Rpb24ubmV0Pohe > BBMRAgAeBQJDXWDmAhsDBgsJCAcDAgMVAgMDFgIBAh4BAheAAAoJEOLFQiVgSxVA > m68AnieT9QVKj8maTmsszbdo1JWr+6qkAJ9IUYd2t2/yBqM5PqGoSIeACNcTRLkB > DQRDXWDoEAQAxbQk6tqzYfi3YsIcvpRI1iFLdhqWrMEOM3XR2dKGNtyfChsnV51s > DA+1qsUNJzaoy9qfgM3cS6WxXeig6vuHqB9n9FYqIZQNV+uen6UswV7AjycQ1Ia5 > XopnnXD8K/MX58lTgmsEo0RsooHpJt8WwlVLqfXPUu80GZ/c4emrUa8AAwUD/RMy > dyXkQZ1sFMeFaIBglmOWUK5ZBfjI4qwtV/Oy7tCxaaOUlzyQSe/5jX3P/FPMM+u8 > dn38bKKdZqyNQm+OsRyNuplfbbVAC9sSt1j8YLZlcBLajrnr91AxTdXwk4wJCbWa > NGwMR+i5UNgBRXcscmRYj+twOM9GzIrDwlPsl/C6iEkEGBECAAkFAkNdYOgCGwwA > CgkQ4sVCJWBLFUBlWwCgsVdVb4KlI/0R6pQj528LuSPQ+OoAn0h7ekCWwe7Jcjnk > vVwBfcdWPCAm > =5o+4 > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 16:21:38 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21157 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 16:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 16:21:37 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21143 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 16:21:34 -0000 Received: from [66.163.179.164] (HELO web35710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.164) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:21:34 -0500 Received: (qmail 83578 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2006 16:20:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zh9X+MY6D2GXoh3c6dG45bTFuaPI0ZMe3gxXSAY9QcvEsRUxD68hvA/qG1tV/xGsM+18RUFlFZlvsv/4zLfWeNJnQMRm2AmYPuIM7K02zIwKPNKIlUtGkdBdrImzdX+zv+oIKyWkbZbB8Jy0G/i9lN647I6mlzsKFTsq0k9Icrs= ; Message-ID: <20060303162055.83576.qmail@web35710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.162.110.43] by web35710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:20:55 PST Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:20:55 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Zucchelli Subject: Re: [PLUG] 'apt-get remove exim4-config' also uninstalled mysql!! To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <20060303071608.GA23571@seanius.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Looks like I have mysql 4.0.24_Debian-10sarge1-log. I didnt figure mysql would need any really custom installs so I just grabbed it with apt-get and thats what they gave me. Is mysql 5 much better? If I upgraded, would mysql5 be able to handle mysql4 databases? On another note, I cant imagine when a database server would ever need an MTA, but oh well, problem solved. --- sean finney wrote: > hi marc, > > On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 02:31:50PM -0800, Marc > Zucchelli wrote: > > When I was reading up on installing qmail, some > site > > said its a good idea to install a 'fake MTA' > because > > certain programs require that and if they need it, > > your packaging system will go ahead and get one. > > There is an rpm for this, but I am in debian and > using > > apt-get. > > > > I dont know much about packaging software at all > I've > > always just compiled my stuff. > > > > Can anyone point me in the right direction here? > > the version of mysql you're using (testing or maybe > earlier?) depends > on the mailx package, which in turn depends on the > virtual > mail-transport-agent package[1], which is the "fake > MTA" to which you > were alluding earlier. when you remove your MTA, > you also remove > anything that depends on having an MTA. > > if you really wanna go down this qmail route, the > best thing to do > would be to install a dummy "mail-transport-agent" > by using the > equivs package. i believe there is some sample > documentation > in equivs for how to do this. > > also (putting my mysql co-maintainer hat on), newer > versions of the > mysql packages no longer depend on mailx but instead > recommend it > so that your database servers are not required to > have fully functional > MTA's on them as well. > > > sean > > > [1] a predefined "virtual package" indicating the > system has the > capability of sending mail via > /usr/bin/sendmail. > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 16:23:00 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21677 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 16:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 16:23:00 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21644 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 16:22:54 -0000 Received: from [209.73.179.116] (HELO web84105.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.116) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:22:54 -0500 Received: (qmail 20035 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2006 16:22:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060303162233.20033.qmail@web84105.mail.dcn.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.199.255.234] by web84105.mail.dcn.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:22:33 PST Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:22:33 -0800 (PST) From: ARTHUR ALEXION To: "plug@lists.phillylinux.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [PLUG] Media durability X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I am involved in a discussion on another list regarding long term archiving of data. While there seems to be agreement on issues of the potential obsolescence of data format and media (i.e. things like 5.25" floppies and calendars and contacts stored in Sidekick 2 or Packrat), there are unresolved disagreements over the lifespan of the media itself. My experience comes from the only time when I owned different media simultaneously, the early 1980's. Audio tapes from that era have physically degraded, and moreover have bled to adjacently wrapped tape. CDs from that era, play like new. But others refer to "studies" of CDs lasting only 1-2 years while tapes last 10 years. While there are numerous references to such studies, nobody has cited anything that I can read, and I am skeptical based on my aforementioned personal experience. Has anyone here researched this issue and have a citation for me? All pointers appreciated. -- _____________________________ artAlexion art[dot]alexion[at]verizon[dot]net Sent unsigned from web interface. Confirm source if important. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Mar 03 16:49:33 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 24354 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2006 16:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2006 16:49:33 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 24337 invoked by uid 107); 3 Mar 2006 16:49:30 -0000 Received: from [64.233.162.199] (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.199) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:49:30 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so242017nzp for ; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:49:29 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ti2rZRlkVATyRxxcawMkZXhRKXQVuU3VrOq9QvhDCeQ/yDSGqrtCBBriKGyXAeF/2I2BOfQdN5qdVw1iMqHAIZH8Br8YlMskCLC3nLuXVYwCh6P3oJWO2+IiJV225Z15lZ8J6qGoCXA+vKxO1Kk7xfdWX7Ys7IxoTTOyvSfZh+4= Received: by 10.36.31.7 with SMTP id e7mr1075132nze; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:49:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.37.14 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:49:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <243a163a0603030849o669f8a88r24ed3520bb6e986e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:49:29 -0500 From: "Steve Morgan" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Media durability In-Reply-To: <20060303162233.20033.qmail@web84105.mail.dcn.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060303162233.20033.qmail@web84105.mail.dcn.yahoo.com> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1725070937==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1725070937== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16211_25296291.1141404569309" ------=_Part_16211_25296291.1141404569309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 3/3/06, ARTHUR ALEXION wrote: > > I am involved in a discussion on another list > regarding long term archiving of data. While there > seems to be agreement on issues of the potential > obsolescence of data format and media (i.e. things > like 5.25" floppies and calendars and contacts stored > in Sidekick 2 or Packrat), there are unresolved > disagreements over the lifespan of the media itself. > > My experience comes from the only time when I owned > different media simultaneously, the early 1980's. > Audio tapes from that era have physically degraded, > and moreover have bled to adjacently wrapped tape. > CDs from that era, play like new. > > But others refer to "studies" of CDs lasting only 1-2 > years while tapes last 10 years. While there are > numerous references to such studies, nobody has cited