From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Apr 03 16:34:00 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 14821 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 16:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 16:33:55 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 14724 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 16:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 16:33:50 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug-announce@phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 14704 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Apr 2006 16:33:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:33:49 -0400 From: "Michael C. Toren" To: plug-announce@phillylinux.org Message-ID: <20060403163349.GB747@netisland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (32% of Full) X-BeenThere: plug-announce@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Subject: [PLUG] [plug-announce] April 5, 2006: "The Bazaar-NG Revision Control System" X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Announcements , Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org ._____. .__________________________________________________________________. | ._. | | .______________________________________________________________. | | |_| |_|_|___. _____ | | |___| |_____. | The Philadelphia Area Linux Users Group | ._. | | | .___|_|_| |_| | (PLUG) cordially invites you to our next .___| |_|_|_| | | ._____| |___| meeting, Wednesday April 5th, 2006 | ._| |_______| | | | |_| | at The University of the Sciences in | |_|_|_| |___. | | |_____| Philadelphia, Pennsylvania |_______| |_. | | |______________________________________________________________| | | |_| | |__________________________________________________________________| |_____| The topic of this month's meeting is "The Bazaar-NG Revision Control System", presented by James Blackwell. The meeting will take place from 7-9PM, at: University of the Sciences in Philadelphia (USP) Griffith Hall C 600 South 43rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-4495 USP is located in University City. Driving directions are available at , or , both of which have an aerial view of the campus buildings. USP is also easily accessible by public transportation. There will be an open Question & Answer session at 7PM, prior to the main presentation at 8PM. This is an open meeting; all are welcome, and encouraged to attend. Usually, a number of members get together after the meeting at a nearby restaurant for food and perhaps a beer or two. Come join the camaraderie! _______________________________________________ plug-announce mailing list plug-announce@lists.phillylinux.org http://lists.netisland.net/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Apr 03 18:03:40 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 32211 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 18:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 18:03:40 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 32197 invoked by uid 107); 3 Apr 2006 18:03:38 -0000 Received: from [209.73.179.140] (HELO smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.140) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:03:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 46363 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 18:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?141.151.56.226?) (art.alexion@verizon.net@141.151.56.226 with plain) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 18:03:11 -0000 From: Art Alexion To: PLUG Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:03:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 X-Face: %}Ij0'2xJ!y]u\94&=~_{fCA(?r]D9Wr#; ~m=f*$^O%IONKj20~LH/n"A1k"hR8"?!z.s| ilK%Hzk}^-!q9Ef1\?++Kb`JY51Qgw-, /2"a.]%2QLmV, $C(F.K$ie?4cBGicC! Zp~!_fO=M.3AthClDGL}8`[K'l^<}NO[vpF^pMloDEk)k""w(S9O4{:b!1U; )OD=^xb#v\ ?lUN7BuW!]lFr^|ZkM^QEVr+k).s%, |oO(vemi'4ohTN+)_-@u$-^PPBB?\Igr>?fQMiU? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200604031403.09707.art.alexion@verizon.net> Subject: [PLUG] OT: Verizon & spam blocking X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: art.alexion@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1983924684==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1983924684== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2429060.oMvbgJqJbf"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart2429060.oMvbgJqJbf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I thought this was funny in an ironic way. Apparently Verizon was the subject of a class action for blocking mail from= =20 non-US servers. There was a settlement=20 http://www.emailblockingsettlement.com and Verizon DSL subscribers (includi= ng=20 myself) got the official notice of pending settlement from the court. I di= d=20 not get the notice of the settlement right away because... =2E.. Verizon's spam filters blocked it. I found it today in my "Bulk" mai= l=20 folder on their server. Bulk mail is not fetched by POP. =46or the record, I actually like Verizon's spam blocking service, but this= was=20 too funny to be true. =2D-=20 _______________________________________ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A The attachment -- signature.asc -- is my electronic signature; no need for= =20 alarm. Info @=20 http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html Key for signed PDFs available at http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/ArthurSAlexion.p7c The validation string is TTJY-ZILJ-BJJG. ________________________________________ --nextPart2429060.oMvbgJqJbf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUARDFjXULG/oYII0YuAQLRjgP+NTyiaed5xUf3QRi5LiXgNfvX+L7eCr2T qbGGh861JhTzdzgCmX6TY/268/ezR/a2DN1Nv5cmB1585UP74LKMjBcc8fwvnsMN vweXtux4R5suhbslE0vOg83KgKXFWr2QNqL+CMB44tXDyjOCjkQcZPSJanCLYJLp 5lAQfusvnCE= =UaRW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2429060.oMvbgJqJbf-- --===============1983924684== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1983924684==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Apr 03 18:46:02 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 13499 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 18:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 18:46:01 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 13470 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Apr 2006 18:45:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:45:59 -0400 From: "Michael C. Toren" To: plug@phillylinux.org Message-ID: <20060403184559.GD26753@netisland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (33% of Full) Subject: [PLUG] Keysigning on Wednesday X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Our presenter, James Blackwell, has expressed interest in participating at a keysigning during the meeting this Wednesday. Some statistics for his key can be found at: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/stats/06357400.html Unfortunately, the keysigning page at phillylinux.org is a little out of date, but if brief: if you have a key and would like to participate, print out hardcopies of your fingerprint to hand out to others, and some form of photo ID others are likely to accept. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks, -mct ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Apr 03 19:08:47 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 20326 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 19:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 19:08:46 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 20308 invoked by uid 107); 3 Apr 2006 19:08:44 -0000 Received: from [207.245.69.226] (HELO bridget.crompton.com) (207.245.69.226) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:08:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by bridget.crompton.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id k33J8NP27094 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:08:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:08:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Crompton To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Verizon & spam blocking In-Reply-To: <200604031403.09707.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org 99% of spam and junk mail comes from offshore. Here I blocked all offshore IP's that offend and it dropped my spam to nil. Since I do my own mail and I don't care about anything offshore it has not been a problem. Perhpas if more organizations did block them it would force the offending countries to clean up their act. Doug On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, Art Alexion wrote: > I thought this was funny in an ironic way. > > Apparently Verizon was the subject of a class action for blocking mail > from non-US servers. There was a settlement > http://www.emailblockingsettlement.com and Verizon DSL subscribers > (including myself) got the official notice of pending settlement from > the court. I did not get the notice of the settlement right away > because... > > ... Verizon's spam filters blocked it. I found it today in my "Bulk" > mail folder on their server. Bulk mail is not fetched by POP. > > For the record, I actually like Verizon's spam blocking service, but > this was too funny to be true. -- > > _______________________________________ > Art Alexion > Arthur S. Alexion LLC ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Apr 03 19:26:46 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 23046 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 19:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 19:26:45 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 23034 invoked by uid 107); 3 Apr 2006 19:26:43 -0000 Received: from [204.127.192.82] (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.192.82) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:26:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.15.100] (c-68-45-131-45.hsd1.nj.comcast.net[68.45.131.45]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20060403192621m1200lq1ase>; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:26:21 +0000 Message-ID: <443176DE.6000806@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:26:22 -0400 From: gyoza@comcast.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: art.alexion@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Verizon & spam blocking References: <200604031403.09707.art.alexion@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200604031403.09707.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Is there a way to fetch the bulk mail, just in case? I really don't like the idea of anyone other than myself limiting what I receive. Especially since I have a Yahoo! JAPAN e-mail address and I communicate with people in other countries. Art Alexion wrote: > ... Verizon's spam filters blocked it. I found it today in my "Bulk" mail > folder on their server. Bulk mail is not fetched by POP. > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Apr 03 20:00:56 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 28296 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 20:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 20:00:56 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 28285 invoked by uid 107); 3 Apr 2006 20:00:53 -0000 Received: from [209.73.179.140] (HELO smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.140) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:00:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 24081 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 20:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?141.151.56.226?) (art.alexion@verizon.net@141.151.56.226 with plain) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 20:00:32 -0000 From: Art Alexion To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Verizon & spam blocking Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:00:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: In-Reply-To: X-Face: %}Ij0'2xJ!y]u\94&=~_{fCA(?r]D9Wr#; ~m=f*$^O%IONKj20~LH/n"A1k"hR8"=?utf-8?q?=3F!z=2Es=7C=0A=09ilK=25Hzk=7D=5E-!q9Ef1=5C=3F++Kb=60JY51Qgw-?=,/2"a.]%2QLmV,$C(=?utf-8?q?F=2EK=24ie=3F4cBGicC!=0A=09Zp=7E!=5FfO=3DM=2E3AthClDGL=7D8=60?= =?utf-8?q?=5BK=27l=5E?=<}NO[vpF^pMloDEk)k""w(S9O4{:b!1U;) =?utf-8?q?OD=3D=5Exb=23v=5C=0A=09=3FlUN7BuW!=5DlFr=5E=7CZkM=5EQEVr+k?=).s%, |oO(vemi'4ohTN+)_-@u$-^PPBB?\Igr>?fQMiU? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200604031600.25465.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: art.alexion@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0425511682==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0425511682== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart6547953.l3Ny1D6uGT"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart6547953.l3Ny1D6uGT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 03 April 2006 15:08, Doug Crompton wrote: > 99% of spam and junk mail comes from offshore. Here I blocked all offshore > IP's that offend and it dropped my spam to nil. Since I do my own mail and > I don't care about anything offshore it has not been a problem. Problem is, I subscribe to a number of lists with European and African=20 members. Some of them offer the best contributions to the list dialogs. =2D-=20 _______________________________________ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A The attachment -- signature.asc -- is my electronic signature; no need for= =20 alarm. Info @=20 http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html Key for signed PDFs available at http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/ArthurSAlexion.p7c The validation string is TTJY-ZILJ-BJJG. ________________________________________ --nextPart6547953.l3Ny1D6uGT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUARDF+2ULG/oYII0YuAQJzZgP6A7h/ER/J40ro8yoGQU5c5XHcJqf+aLG6 IDpNScXOsWkyAjCpSuDmEZmqbW74Cse9b2oHZzOe6xTt3wmnxh18XrD4oU8TM/JX SwMMrMMamTeWYTswpLOFYfCTaYAdvktIVWVhuo6xNtCsGxUpRS6lJMII1AxGpdU5 gO7ZksDwcTs= =E+0+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart6547953.l3Ny1D6uGT-- --===============0425511682== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0425511682==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Apr 03 20:06:01 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 29420 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 20:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 20:06:01 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 29407 invoked by uid 107); 3 Apr 2006 20:05:58 -0000 Received: from [209.73.179.139] (HELO smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.139) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:05:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 57889 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2006 20:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?141.151.56.226?) (art.alexion@verizon.net@141.151.56.226 with plain) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2006 20:05:33 -0000 From: Art Alexion To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Verizon & spam blocking Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:05:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200604031403.09707.art.alexion@verizon.net> <443176DE.6000806@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <443176DE.6000806@comcast.net> X-Face: %}Ij0'2xJ!y]u\94&=~_{fCA(?r]D9Wr#; ~m=f*$^O%IONKj20~LH/n"A1k"hR8"=?utf-8?q?=3F!z=2Es=7C=0A=09ilK=25Hzk=7D=5E-!q9Ef1=5C=3F++Kb=60JY51Qgw-?=,/2"a.]%2QLmV,$C(=?utf-8?q?F=2EK=24ie=3F4cBGicC!=0A=09Zp=7E!=5FfO=3DM=2E3AthClDGL=7D8=60?= =?utf-8?q?=5BK=27l=5E?=<}NO[vpF^pMloDEk)k""w(S9O4{:b!1U;) =?utf-8?q?OD=3D=5Exb=23v=5C=0A=09=3FlUN7BuW!=5DlFr=5E=7CZkM=5EQEVr+k?=).s%, |oO(vemi'4ohTN+)_-@u$-^PPBB?\Igr>?fQMiU? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200604031605.32137.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: art.alexion@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0888708798==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0888708798== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3653884.zJbJKtT3zD"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart3653884.zJbJKtT3zD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 03 April 2006 15:26, gyoza@comcast.net wrote: > Is there a way to fetch the bulk mail, just in case? Through the web mail interface, you can mark stuff in the Bulk folder, "Not= =20 Spam", and it is moved to the inbox and retrieved with POP. > > I really don't like the idea of anyone other than myself limiting what I > receive. =A0Especially since I have a Yahoo! JAPAN e-mail address and I > communicate with people in other countries. Verizon's spam filters are actually quite good. I set up a dummy account=20 through which I forward all of my alexion.com business mail, just to take=20 advantage of the filtering. Much better than the Mozilla bogofilter. Trai= ns=20 well. Once stuff is marked "Not Spam", it isn't diverted again. I just thought it was ironic that the Class Settlement Notice itself was=20 automatically classified as spam. =2D-=20 _______________________________________ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A The attachment -- signature.asc -- is my electronic signature; no need for= =20 alarm. Info @=20 http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html Key for signed PDFs available at http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/ArthurSAlexion.p7c The validation string is TTJY-ZILJ-BJJG. ________________________________________ --nextPart3653884.zJbJKtT3zD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUARDGADELG/oYII0YuAQKr8gQAguKplOfkq7mpAfS9WuO6BZzmSv9+vHvK ju99ak7dbkFX+rIg9q/o90PqFQB3jaGorOElFQC2O/L6MI2CxQ1LPGjA/4jEhTN7 +zWFouMlOJL3iGbJT/Osx9SEn6yjxVoCXZcdLKbnEWE7kNofE0PQuPusE8fwRmhE kcXXUGUOmbg= =1j7S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3653884.zJbJKtT3zD-- --===============0888708798== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0888708798==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Apr 04 00:19:37 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 26944 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 00:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 00:19:36 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 26932 invoked by uid 107); 4 Apr 2006 00:19:33 -0000 Received: from [66.33.193.58] (HELO toby.dreamhost.com) (66.33.193.58) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:19:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-69-142-94-59.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [69.142.94.59]) by toby.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F3215EBE2 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 20:19:10 -0400 From: Toby DiPasquale To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Verizon & spam blocking Message-ID: <20060404001910.GA16308@adidas> References: <200604031403.09707.art.alexion@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 03:08:23PM -0400, Doug Crompton wrote: > 99% of spam and junk mail comes from offshore. Here I blocked all offshore > IP's that offend and it dropped my spam to nil. Since I do my own mail and > I don't care about anything offshore it has not been a problem. Perhpas if > more organizations did block them it would force the offending countries > to clean up their act. False. Over 60% of spam worldwide originates from inside the US. While I have no trouble believing that the majority of your spam appears to come from outside the country, that's not indicative of the global spam flow. As for "cleaning up their act", we've been attempting to get them to do just that for years. The problem is, you can't legitamitely block some of the largest sources of offshore spam because they are simultaneously the largest sources of offshore ham. The biggest guys never get blocked by blacklists because they are such sources of ham and because of that, listing them would reduce the credibility of any public DNSBL you might maintain. This two-fold effect serves to make DNSBLs only effective for the lower and middle tiers; the big guys just never get on and if they do happen to be listed, everyone stops using that DNSBL. -- Toby DiPasquale ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Apr 04 20:37:11 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21985 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 20:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 20:37:10 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21973 invoked by uid 107); 4 Apr 2006 20:37:08 -0000 Received: from [216.158.26.62] (HELO spacecat.mcgillsociety.org) (216.158.26.62) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:37:08 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.3] (abase.mcgillsociety.org [216.158.26.165]) by spacecat.mcgillsociety.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id k34KX2S224406 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <200604031403.09707.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200604031403.09707.art.alexion@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "William H. Magill" Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Verizon & spam blocking Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:36:42 -0400 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On 03 Apr, 2006, at 14:03, Art Alexion wrote: > I thought this was funny in an ironic way. > > Apparently Verizon was the subject of a class action for blocking > mail from > non-US servers. There was a settlement > http://www.emailblockingsettlement.com and Verizon DSL subscribers > (including > myself) got the official notice of pending settlement from the > court. I did > not get the notice of the settlement right away because... > > ... Verizon's spam filters blocked it. I found it today in my > "Bulk" mail > folder on their server. Bulk mail is not fetched by POP. > > For the record, I actually like Verizon's spam blocking service, > but this was > too funny to be true. > -- One wonders what the Court would think of Verizon's failure to deliver the Settlement Notice to its subscribers. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.4.1 # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com http://homepage.mac.com/magill/ whmagill@gmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Apr 04 22:18:50 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 350 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 22:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 22:18:49 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 338 invoked by uid 107); 4 Apr 2006 22:18:47 -0000 Received: from [82.71.90.98] (HELO mail.lobefin.net) (82.71.90.98) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:18:47 -0400 Received: from lobefin.net ([82.71.90.97] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by mail.lobefin.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1FQtqt-0006sH-KS for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:18:19 +0100 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FQtqy-0003Y1-Ov for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:18:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:18:24 +0100 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Verizon & spam blocking Message-ID: <20060404221824.GA12995@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <200604031403.09707.art.alexion@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.8-3-686-smp i686 X-Uptime: 11 days X-Latin: Hodie pridie Nonas Apriles MMDCCLIX ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 21st day of Discord in the YOLD 3172 X-DDate: Only 2430782 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. Keep the Lasagna flying! X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Authenticated-Sender: steve X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.88.1/1375 on mail.lobefin.net; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:18:19 +0100 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1366058657==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1366058657== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF" Content-Disposition: inline --3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 03:08:23PM -0400, Doug Crompton said: > 99% of spam and junk mail comes from offshore. Here I blocked all offshore > IP's that offend and it dropped my spam to nil. Since I do my own mail and > I don't care about anything offshore it has not been a problem. Perhpas if > more organizations did block them it would force the offending countries > to clean up their act. As others have noted, most of the world's spam comes from the US. Having recently moved to the UK, I am amused at how much of the spam tries on my MX still comes rom comcast, verizon and road-runner netblocks. In fact, I could cut most of my direct to MX spam by blocking the US completely. I would lose some traffic I want (Debian lists and PLUG among them), but if we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater, I guess it all works out in the end. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | SHHHH!! I hear SIX TATTOOED TRUCK- | | steve@lobefin.net | DRIVERS tossing ENGINE BLOCKS into | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | empty OIL DRUMS ... | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEMvCwSYIMHOpZA44RAl/eAJwLO7O3Xll+nPhrDgUxOtE4ZuAfvQCeJANx O5/8tIKrsOR86GqZPAOwtWk= =kn7U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF-- --===============1366058657== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1366058657==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 05 14:40:08 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 28413 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 14:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 14:40:08 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 28401 invoked by uid 107); 5 Apr 2006 14:40:06 -0000 Received: from [209.73.179.141] (HELO smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.141) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:40:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 92449 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 14:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?68.162.99.136?) (art.alexion@verizon.net@68.162.99.136 with plain) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 14:39:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4433D6A7.2010106@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:39:35 -0400 From: Art Alexion User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051013) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Verizon & spam blocking References: <200604031403.09707.art.alexion@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0011665907==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0011665907== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig85DEB6C75653CD14E3F339DD" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig85DEB6C75653CD14E3F339DD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit William H. Magill wrote: > > On 03 Apr, 2006, at 14:03, Art Alexion wrote: > >> I thought this was funny in an ironic way. > > > One wonders what the Court would think of Verizon's failure to > deliver the Settlement Notice to its subscribers. That's what I thought was amusing, and why I started this tread in the first place. -- _______________________________________ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A The attachment -- signature.asc -- is my electronic signature; no need for alarm. Info @ http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html Key for signed PDFs available at http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/ArthurSAlexion.p7c The validation string is TTJY-ZILJ-BJJG. ________________________________________ --------------enig85DEB6C75653CD14E3F339DD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBRDPWp0LG/oYII0YuAQK1+AQAjiSwU3m2AKPVUhyfuXKFw5MN89150tcB 4I7c3o0b0zck1OlW0f7vRXCcelLJz7YFx4ILBzEL2rnTkHnR9CZZl6l6cJy/FfVT KgBghmANUZiQxRCRwTRo+fBytWzS5sjiFnu4FUstCbdhs1NVrTSewZEOzkGWbotI AJNN/AXJHeA= =G0Xw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig85DEB6C75653CD14E3F339DD-- --===============0011665907== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0011665907==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 05 15:16:01 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 1044 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 15:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 15:16:00 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 1034 invoked by uid 107); 5 Apr 2006 15:15:56 -0000 Received: from [207.245.69.226] (HELO bridget.crompton.com) (207.245.69.226) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:15:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by bridget.crompton.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id k35FFXf11833 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:15:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:15:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Crompton To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Verizon & spam blocking In-Reply-To: <20060404001910.GA16308@adidas> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Ok according to http://www.tqmcube.com/origins.php you are somewhat right. It shows 42% US. That is still a great deal coming from offshore. In my case blocking offshore IP's did eliminate the problem. Most of the onshore problems are open relays. When I do occasionally have a comcast or other US ISP problem I report it and I do not see it again. I only have to look at my mail log and see the endless list of rejects to understand how much I am dumping. My sendmail access list is quite a large file. Looking at the charts from the above site it looks like spam has tripled in the last year and that Verizon has gotten much better, and comcast and rr worse as offenders. Doug On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, Toby DiPasquale wrote: > On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 03:08:23PM -0400, Doug Crompton wrote: > > 99% of spam and junk mail comes from offshore. Here I blocked all offshore > > IP's that offend and it dropped my spam to nil. Since I do my own mail and > > I don't care about anything offshore it has not been a problem. Perhpas if > > more organizations did block them it would force the offending countries > > to clean up their act. > > False. Over 60% of spam worldwide originates from inside the US. While I > have no trouble believing that the majority of your spam appears to come > from outside the country, that's not indicative of the global spam flow. > > As for "cleaning up their act", we've been attempting to get them to do > just that for years. The problem is, you can't legitamitely block some of > the largest sources of offshore spam because they are simultaneously the > largest sources of offshore ham. The biggest guys never get blocked by > blacklists because they are such sources of ham and because of that, > listing them would reduce the credibility of any public DNSBL you might > maintain. This two-fold effect serves to make DNSBLs only effective for > the lower and middle tiers; the big guys just never get on and if they do > happen to be listed, everyone stops using that DNSBL. > > -- > Toby DiPasquale > ___________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 05 15:28:17 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 2614 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 15:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 15:28:17 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 2590 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Apr 2006 15:28:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:28:14 -0400 From: "Michael C. Toren" To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Verizon & spam blocking Message-ID: <20060405152814.GA6053@netisland.net> References: <20060404001910.GA16308@adidas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (51% of Full) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 11:15:33AM -0400, Doug Crompton wrote: > It shows 42% US. That is still a great deal coming from offshore. There are other problems with this approach as well. For one, how do you determine the country or continent of origin? You can try making the assumption that if the address space was allocated by a regional registrar other than ARIN that it's "foreign", but there are plenty of legitimate non-ARIN allocated subnets in use within the US. -mct ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 05 17:26:53 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 16089 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 17:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 17:26:53 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 16077 invoked by uid 107); 5 Apr 2006 17:26:51 -0000 Received: from [129.25.6.194] (HELO mail.cs.drexel.edu) (129.25.6.194) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:26:51 -0400 Received: by mail.cs.drexel.edu (Postfix, from userid 5017) id 8095420167F7; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.154.91.225 ( [192.154.91.225]) as user pls29@mail.cs.drexel.edu by mail.cs.drexel.edu with HTTP; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:26:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1144257990.4433fdc674a9e@mail.cs.drexel.edu> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:26:30 -0400 From: "Paul L. Snyder" To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 192.154.91.225 Subject: [PLUG] April 17 PLUG West meeting confirmed X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org OK, we've heard back from Unisys, and everything is set for a PLUG meeting in Malvern on Monday, April 17 at 7:00 PM. The Unisys Linux Systems Group will be presenting on the topic of "Mission-Critical Enterprise Linux". There may also be a tour of their labs. Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it to tonight's meeting in the city. Can someone please make sure that this is announced there? Also, if someone wants to solicit for speakers for upcoming PLUG West meetings, that would be great. Let's see if we can start to get our talk pipeline filled. Details about this meeting will be making their way to the PLUG website. Thanks, Paul ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 05 20:09:10 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 372 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 20:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Apr 2006 20:09:09 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 360 invoked by uid 107); 5 Apr 2006 20:09:06 -0000 Received: from [131.106.3.1] (HELO usenix.org) (131.106.3.1) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:09:06 -0400 Received: from [131.106.3.41] ([131.106.3.41]) by usenix.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K8iAu002222 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <526E3DCA-47DB-4B1A-A730-EC64338913AE@usenix.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org From: Lionel Garth Jones Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:08:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Subject: [PLUG] USENIX Workshop on Hot Topics in Security Call For Papers X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org ------------------------------- First Workshop on Hot Topics in Security (HotSec '06) July 31, 2006 Vancouver, B.C., Canada Sponsored by USENIX, the Advanced Computing Systems Association Submissions Deadline: April 17, 2006 http://www.usenix.org/hotsec06/cfpa ------------------------------- The First Workshop on Hot Topics in Security (HotSec '06) will take place Monday, July 31, 2006, in Vancouver, B.C., Canada, and we would like to encourage your submissions. HotSec is intended as a forum for lively discussion of aggressively innovative and potentially disruptive ideas in all aspects of systems security. Surprising results and thought-provoking ideas will be strongly favored; complete papers with polished results in well-explored research areas are discouraged. Papers will be selected for their potential to stimulate discussion in the workshop. Position papers are expected to fit into one of the following categories: -- Fundamentally new techniques for and approaches to dealing with current security problems -- New major problems arising from new technologies that are now being developed or deployed -- Truly surprising results that cause rethinking of previous approaches While our goal is to solicit ideas that are not completely worked out, we expect submissions to be supported by some evidence of feasibility or preliminary quantitative results. Possible topics of interest include but are not limited to: * Secure operation, management, and event response of/for ultra-large-scale systems * Designing secure large-scale systems and networks * Self-organizing and self-protecting systems * Security assurance for non-expert users * Balancing security and privacy/anonymity * Interactions between security technology and public policy Position paper submissions due are due April 17, 2006. Submissions guidelines can be found at http://www.usenix.org/hotsec06/ cfpa We look forward to receiving your submissions. On behalf of the HotSec '06 Program Committee, Matt Blaze, University of Pennsylvania P.S. HotSec '06 will be co-located with the 15th USENIX Security Symposium (Security '06), which will take place July 31-August 4, 2006. ------------------------------- First Workshop on Hot Topics in Security (HotSec '06) July 31, 2006 Vancouver, B.C., Canada Sponsored by USENIX, the Advanced Computing Systems Association Submissions Deadline: April 17, 2006 http://www.usenix.org/hotsec06/cfpa ------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Apr 06 03:01:02 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 6878 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2006 03:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Apr 2006 03:01:02 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 6862 invoked by uid 107); 6 Apr 2006 03:01:00 -0000 Received: from [206.46.252.40] (HELO vms040pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.40) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:01:00 -0400 Received: from w2ksrv10 ([71.126.113.145]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXA000MQ5O7XS8B@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:00:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:03:58 -0400 From: "Ronald Kaye Jr" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Message-id: <007301c65926$bff21320$0a01a8c0@w2ksrv10> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [PLUG] forensics X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0471610177==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0471610177== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01C65905.3850B640" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C65905.3850B640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all: I have been tasked with leading a group of networking students in the = study of computer forensics. I have been around for awhile, and am = familiar with operating systems, and just alot stuff about them. I would appreciate any input/expertise on tools, methodologies, = organizations, etc. It strikes me that we still use this one teacher- one class model that = has been around since ... forever. In this internet era, we should be = tapping into the "world" of resources.=20 Like to hear any thoughts on that too. Thanks in advance. Ron ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C65905.3850B640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all:
 
I have been tasked with leading a group = of=20 networking students in the study of computer forensics. I have been = around for=20 awhile, and am familiar with operating systems,
and just alot stuff about = them.
 
I would appreciate any input/expertise = on tools,=20 methodologies, organizations, etc.
It strikes me that we still use this = one teacher-=20 one class model that has been around since ... forever. In this internet = era, we=20 should be tapping into the "world" of resources. 
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------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C65905.3850B640-- --===============0471610177== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0471610177==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Apr 06 12:31:10 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 25392 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2006 12:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Apr 2006 12:31:09 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 25372 invoked by uid 107); 6 Apr 2006 12:31:07 -0000 Received: from [216.158.45.183] (HELO puddle.purple.com) (216.158.45.183) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:31:07 -0400 Received: from jeff by puddle.purple.com with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FRTdN-0001Pp-DF; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:30:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:30:45 -0400 From: Jeff Abrahamson To: PLUG Message-ID: <20060406123045.GN5610@purple.com> Mail-Followup-To: PLUG , John Parejko MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: John Parejko Subject: [PLUG] python talk tonight X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1756637407==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1756637407== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="magLDk5D4XGaUXcd" Content-Disposition: inline --magLDk5D4XGaUXcd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Philly Python Users' Group (PUG) is holding a meeting tonight that might be of interest to many in PLUG. Please excuse the cross-post. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PhillyPug/ The talk is at Drexel, corner of 31st and Market, Philadelphia. If you come and have trouble finding the spot or find the room locked, please call me, as I have a key to the room, and, since my office is just in the next building, I might show up just in time otherwise. Title: A Media Tech Startup in Python Speaker: Dr. Stan Schwartz Location: Hill Seminar Room, Lebow 240 Date: Thursday 6 April, 7 p.m. Please join the Philadelphia Python Users' Group for a talk by Dr. Stan Schwartz on python and his pre-launch media technology startup, Toonamation.com. The talk will focus on the use of python and LAMP/Django at Toonamation.com (site not yet live) to build a website applying image-based media technology as a consumer-oriented service, also intended to be extensible to business applications. Dr. Schwartz will demo the media technology and some previous media experiments. He will also solicit comment from the audience about the design and architecture of the site, which is still being built, proposed business models, and strategies to bring the technology to market. This will include discussion of issues faced by many small web startups, including intellectual property protection, financing alternatives, and scaling. Dr. Schwartz did his PhD in cognitive psychology at UPenn, with a focus on AI and medical decision making. He was a was a research programmer in the GRASP Lab at Penn for several years, where he learned image processing. He was a long-time researcher/programmer at CHI Systems Inc. in Lower Gwynedd, PA, where he developed expert systems in C, prolog, perl, and some specialized AI languages. His current python work for his media startup, still pre-launch, folds back in his image processing background and a long-time interest/background of his in visual art. His programming is self-taught. He currently prefers to work in python, so that he can express things quickly and avoid unnecessary wrestling with code. --=20 Jeff Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B --magLDk5D4XGaUXcd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFENQn1Fr+MTA0drksRAnzzAJwJ2y+G+Dg9295BfhyBn+gbvHC9QACfWJlK b3d2apdkbFZce7xd3LG9BVA= =XMJ8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --magLDk5D4XGaUXcd-- --===============1756637407== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1756637407==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Apr 06 15:31:49 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 12504 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2006 15:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Apr 2006 15:31:49 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 12494 invoked by uid 107); 6 Apr 2006 15:31:46 -0000 Received: from [66.33.243.4] (HELO www.linuxnotes.net) (66.33.243.4) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:31:46 -0400 Received: by www.linuxnotes.net (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 546BE2A002F; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:34:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on linuxnotes.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from www.linuxnotes.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.linuxnotes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FEA2A0015 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 10.73.86.4 (SquirrelMail authenticated user quincy) by www.linuxnotes.net with HTTP; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1772.10.73.86.4.1144337641.squirrel@www.linuxnotes.net> In-Reply-To: <007301c65926$bff21320$0a01a8c0@w2ksrv10> References: <007301c65926$bff21320$0a01a8c0@w2ksrv10> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PLUG] forensics From: "Jon Nelson" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: quincy@linuxnotes.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Ronald Kaye Jr said: > Hello all: > > I have been tasked with leading a group of networking students in the > study of computer forensics. I have been around for awhile, and am > familiar with operating systems, > and just alot stuff about them. > > I would appreciate any input/expertise on tools, methodologies, > organizations, etc. Ronald, I take it that since you are posting to this list you are interested in using Linux as much as possible. I have been conducting computer forensics since 1998 and here is some info that should be helpful to you and your students. A great forensics toolkit is Sluethkit and Autopsy which can be found here: http://sleuthkit.org/ That site also has a lot of good info in their publication "The Informer". A couple of bootable forensic CD's are: http://www.linux-forensics.com/downloads.html http://www.e-fense.com/helix/ http://www.remote-exploit.org/index.php/Auditor_main A couple of good books are: * File System Forensic Analysis (Paperback)by Brian Carrier ISBN: 0321268172 * Digital Evidence and Computer Crime, Second Edition (Hardcover)by Eoghan Casey ISBN: 0121631044 * Incident Response and Computer Forensics, Second Edition (Paperback) by Chris Prosise, Kevin Mandia, Matt Pepe ISBN: 007222696X * Network Intrusion Detection (3rd Edition) (Paperback) by Stephen Northcutt, Judy Novak ISBN: 0735712654 Even thought it is a Windows based product there is some good information at: http://encase.com/support/articles/index.asp Finally there is a pretty cool commercial product that incorporates the ability to use Perl scripts: http://www.techpathways.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=3&tabid=12 I would be happy to talk to you more offlist if you would like. Jon ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Apr 06 15:57:52 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 16449 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2006 15:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Apr 2006 15:57:51 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 16420 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Apr 2006 15:57:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:57:48 -0400 From: "Michael C. Toren" To: plug@phillylinux.org Message-ID: <20060406155748.GP24482@netisland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (61% of Full) Subject: [PLUG] SANS@Penn: Security 401 - SANS Security Essentials w/ Bootcamp, June 19-24, 2006 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Forwarded on behalf of Dave Millar, University of Pennsylvania: Greetings, We still have plenty of space available for the SANS course described below, and June is absolutely the best time of year to come to Philly - the weather is beautiful, the hoagies, Tastykakes and soft pretzels are at their freshest, and the Phillies haven't been mathematically eliminated (yet). And, of course, you just about can't beat a 75% discount on world-class security training. Please feel free to email me directly at lupton@isc.upenn.edu with any questions you have. We really need to know by April 17 if you're coming. Thanks, David Millar University Information Security Officer --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Penn Information Security is pleased to announce that in conjunction with the SANS Institute (www.sans.org) we will be offering the following SANS course at our campus in Philadelphia: SANS 401: SANS Security Essentials with Bootcamp Dates: Monday, June 19 - Saturday, June 24, 2006 Location: Huntsman Hall, Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania Instructor: Eric Cole A complete description of the course can be found on the SANS website at: http://www.sans.org/onsite/description.php? tid=275&portal=959d3b5916609688d6dd3b117da8b2fc Full details on our event at Penn, including online registration can be found at: http://www.upenn.edu/computing/security/sansatpenn/ This course carries special pricing for EDU, law enforcement and (now) state/local government employees of $695.00 (US) for the course, with the option to take the GIAC certification exam for the course at a later date for an added fee of $325.00 (US). Those interested in attending the course who do not qualify for the EDU/law enforcement/state govt discount may also register for the course, but must pay SANS' full catalog fee of $3,195.00 (US). For questions or additional information regarding this event, please feel free to contact me at lupton@isc.upenn.edu ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Apr 07 14:02:08 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 12286 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 14:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 14:02:07 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 12276 invoked by uid 107); 7 Apr 2006 14:02:05 -0000 Received: from [216.158.45.183] (HELO puddle.purple.com) (216.158.45.183) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:02:05 -0400 Received: from jeff by puddle.purple.com with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FRrWv-0004Ys-Hh for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:01:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:01:41 -0400 From: Jeff Abrahamson To: PLUG Message-ID: <20060407140141.GK5610@purple.com> Mail-Followup-To: PLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: [PLUG] firewire PCI cards X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1308010031==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1308010031== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WcQ7DTTOeW3GIUV5" Content-Disposition: inline --WcQ7DTTOeW3GIUV5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm buying a firewire PCI card in order to hook up an external firewire hard drive. I would suspect that the card would basically just work. This suspicion is supported by a web page: http://www.linux1394.org/hcl.php?class_id=3D2 Meanwhile, searching for "firewire PCI" at newegg.com, I see an extraordinary selection of prices, ranging from $10 to near $100. Are there some features or versions that I really want to make sure I have (or don't have) on such a card, such as protocol version or something? I'm concerned that I won't learn about this feature until I have the card in hand. Tia for any suggestions. --=20 Jeff Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B --WcQ7DTTOeW3GIUV5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFENnDFFr+MTA0drksRAtW7AJsHG6sSKKCrrGDuXEjmLUGTTyTeSQCcDk3t SY6dql5dKzQ9IoAhDOahYAI= =lLk1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WcQ7DTTOeW3GIUV5-- --===============1308010031== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1308010031==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Apr 07 14:20:03 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 14520 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 14:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 14:20:03 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 14484 invoked by uid 107); 7 Apr 2006 14:19:59 -0000 Received: from [216.148.227.154] (HELO rwcrmhc14.comcast.net) (216.148.227.154) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:19:59 -0400 Received: from mensaje.claudeschrader.com ([71.225.86.150]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with ESMTP id <20060407141931m1400r923ie>; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:19:38 +0000 Received: by mensaje.claudeschrader.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 1AED6193C0; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:19:30 -0400 From: "Claude M. Schrader" To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] firewire PCI cards Message-ID: <20060407141930.GC14461@claudeschrader.com> References: <20060407140141.GK5610@purple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20060407140141.GK5610@purple.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0919784720==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0919784720== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="p2kqVDKq5asng8Dg" Content-Disposition: inline --p2kqVDKq5asng8Dg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well there is FireWire 400 and 800(max transfer rates). Firewire 400 is on almost everything, except some new hard drives, and dvd burners and whatnot. You may want to double check which version your hard drive supports. I dont believe there is much to do to make it work - the firewire ports on my Powerbook worked fine in gentoo, once the relevent kernel settings were made. Claude FireWire 400 can transfer data between devices at 100, 200, or 400 Mbit/s data rates (actually 98.304, 196.608, or 393.216 Mbit/s, but commonly referred to as S100, S200, and S400). Although USB2 claims to be capable of higher speeds (480Mbit/s), FireWire is, in practice, faster. Cable length is limited to 4.5 metres but up to 16 cables can be daisy chained yielding a total length of 72 meters under the specification. FireWire 800 (Apple's name for the 9-pin "S800 bilingual" version of the IEEE1394b standard) was introduced commercially by Apple in 2003. This newer 1394 specification and corresponding products allow a transfer rate of 786.432 Mbit/s with backwards compatibility to the slower rates and 6-pin connectors of FireWire 400. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewire On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 10:01:41AM -0400, Jeff Abrahamson wrote: > I'm buying a firewire PCI card in order to hook up an external > firewire hard drive. I would suspect that the card would basically > just work. This suspicion is supported by a web page: >=20 > http://www.linux1394.org/hcl.php?class_id=3D2 >=20 > Meanwhile, searching for "firewire PCI" at newegg.com, I see an > extraordinary selection of prices, ranging from $10 to near $100. Are > there some features or versions that I really want to make sure I have > (or don't have) on such a card, such as protocol version or something? > I'm concerned that I won't learn about this feature until I have the > card in hand. >=20 > Tia for any suggestions. >=20 > --=20 > Jeff >=20 > Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 > GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.o= rg > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announ= ce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/pl= ug --p2kqVDKq5asng8Dg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFENnTyJPcXy7M+CcIRAo5oAJwNK6DLssqPrECQ/OmO5QT9HfmNgQCgwDA3 XRgBfusk1KQ5APXFW1PCl7U= =9p+o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --p2kqVDKq5asng8Dg-- --===============0919784720== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0919784720==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Apr 07 15:20:24 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21430 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 15:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 15:20:23 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21418 invoked by uid 107); 7 Apr 2006 15:20:21 -0000 Received: from [216.113.234.10] (HELO gwlx1.stonebridgebank.com) (216.113.234.10) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:20:21 -0400 Received: from sbf_dom-MTA by gwlx1.stonebridgebank.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:19:06 -0400 Message-Id: <44364AAC.EB5A.009D.0@stonebridgebank.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:18:58 -0400 From: "Michael James" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] forensics References: <007301c65926$bff21320$0a01a8c0@w2ksrv10> <1772.10.73.86.4.1144337641.squirrel@www.linuxnotes.net> In-Reply-To: <1772.10.73.86.4.1144337641.squirrel@www.linuxnotes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org For an examination of a Blackberry device, try this: http://www.rh-law.com= /ediscovery/Blackberry.pdf=20 (somewhat dated, but a good read) The information in this message may be proprietary and/or confidential, = and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the = intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering = this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any = dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly = prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please = notify Stonebridge Bank immediately by replying to this message and = deleting it from your computer.=20 >>> "Jon Nelson" 4/6/2006 11:34 am >>> Ronald Kaye Jr said: > Hello all: > > I have been tasked with leading a group of networking students in the > study of computer forensics. I have been around for awhile, and am > familiar with operating systems, > and just alot stuff about them. > > I would appreciate any input/expertise on tools, methodologies, > organizations, etc. Ronald, I take it that since you are posting to this list you are interested in using Linux as much as possible. I have been conducting computer forensics since 1998 and here is some info that should be helpful to you and your students. A great forensics toolkit is Sluethkit and Autopsy which can be found = here: http://sleuthkit.org/=20 That site also has a lot of good info in their publication "The Informer". A couple of bootable forensic CD's are: http://www.linux-forensics.com/downloads.html=20 http://www.e-fense.com/helix/=20 http://www.remote-exploit.org/index.php/Auditor_main=20 A couple of good books are: * File System Forensic Analysis (Paperback)by Brian Carrier ISBN: 0321268172 * Digital Evidence and Computer Crime, Second Edition (Hardcover)by Eoghan Casey ISBN: 0121631044 * Incident Response and Computer Forensics, Second Edition (Paperback) by Chris Prosise, Kevin Mandia, Matt Pepe ISBN: 007222696X * Network Intrusion Detection (3rd Edition) (Paperback) by Stephen Northcutt, Judy Novak ISBN: 0735712654 Even thought it is a Windows based product there is some good information = at: http://encase.com/support/articles/index.asp=20 Finally there is a pretty cool commercial product that incorporates the ability to use Perl scripts: http://www.techpathways.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=3D3&tabid=3D12= =20 I would be happy to talk to you more offlist if you would like. Jon ___________________________________________________________________________= Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org= =20 Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce= =20 General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug= ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Apr 07 23:17:16 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 8749 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2006 23:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Apr 2006 23:17:15 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 8737 invoked by uid 107); 7 Apr 2006 23:17:12 -0000 Received: from [67.62.29.206] (HELO gra-inc.com) (67.62.29.206) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:17:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.47] by gra-inc.com (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.4.R) with ESMTP id 54-md50000018605.msg for ; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:16:42 -0400 Message-ID: <4436FA87.5060001@gra-inc.com> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:49:27 -0400 From: Greg Helledy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <4435C1C000040B69@malone.intellispace.net> (added by postmaster@intellispace.net) In-Reply-To: <4435C1C000040B69@malone.intellispace.net> (added by postmaster@intellispace.net) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: gregsonh@gra-inc.com X-Spam-Processed: gra-inc.com, Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:16:42 -0400 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-Return-Path: gregsonh@gra-inc.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-MDAV-Processed: gra-inc.com, Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:16:43 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] best way to install gui on debian base system? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gregsonh@gra-inc.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I am playing around for the first time with vmware's player. http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ On a Win2K host, I have installed a debian netinstall image: "debian31r0a-i386-netinstall-kernel2.6" So I went through the base config routine and chose "desktop", whereupon it apt-got a bunch of packages but no x or window manager. I've installed distros before but they all installed x by default; I've only changed drivers or added window managers. Any tips on the best (i.e. easiest and most likely to produce a working result) way to do this? I don't even know what video hardware I "have". 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Bhaskar" To: gregsonh@gra-inc.com, "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] best way to install gui on debian base system? In-Reply-To: <4436FA87.5060001@gra-inc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4435C1C000040B69@malone.intellispace.net> <4436FA87.5060001@gra-inc.com> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Debian does install a GUI - Gnome by default, so I am puzzled. You can try "apt-get install kde" or "apt-get install gnome". X should be installed by default - try "dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xfree86" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" depending on which Xserver is installed. Good luck. -- Bhaskar ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Apr 08 04:44:44 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 5225 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 04:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 04:44:44 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 5209 invoked by uid 107); 8 Apr 2006 04:44:41 -0000 Received: from [146.145.66.90] (HELO beck.quonix.net) (146.145.66.90) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 00:44:41 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (pool-71-255-101-179.phlapa.east.verizon.net [71.255.101.179]) by beck.quonix.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k384iENE096905 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 00:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <4435C1C000040B69@malone.intellispace.net> <4436FA87.5060001@gra-inc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Von Essen Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 00:44:13 -0400 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Spamassassin-Score: 2.777/5.8 BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Mimedefang: beck.quonix.net X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 146.145.66.90 Subject: [PLUG] nfs through a DMZ X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I have two debian machines, one in an internal net, the other in a dmz net. Everything is behind a PIX firewall. I need the dmz client to mount a nfs share from the internal net server. So I opened up port 2049 tcp/udp, and also port 111 tcp/udp. The nfs mount still hangs. While doing a tcpdump the rpc port 111 traffic goes back and forth, but no nfs. Am I missing something in the firewall? Granted all of this poses security and performance issues, but its a special circumstance. At this point I just need to prove that it can be done. Thanks John ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Apr 08 11:35:04 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 14289 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 11:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 11:35:03 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 14252 invoked by uid 107); 8 Apr 2006 11:35:00 -0000 Received: from [82.71.90.98] (HELO mail.lobefin.net) (82.71.90.98) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 07:35:00 -0400 Received: from lobefin.net ([82.71.90.97] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by mail.lobefin.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1FSBi4-0004lh-VR for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:34:33 +0100 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FSBi8-0004IO-UP for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:34:36 +0100 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:34:36 +0100 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] nfs through a DMZ Message-ID: <20060408113436.GB15083@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <4435C1C000040B69@malone.intellispace.net> <4436FA87.5060001@gra-inc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.8-3-686-smp i686 X-Uptime: 14 days X-Latin: Hodie sexto Idus Apriles MMDCCLIX ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Pungenday, the 25th day of Discord in the YOLD 3172 X-DDate: Only 2430778 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. Or not. X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Authenticated-Sender: steve X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.88.1/1383 on mail.lobefin.net; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:34:33 +0100 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1583856812==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1583856812== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ADZbWkCsHQ7r3kzd" Content-Disposition: inline --ADZbWkCsHQ7r3kzd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 12:44:13AM -0400, John Von Essen said: > I have two debian machines, one in an internal net, the other in a dmz=20 > net. Everything is behind a PIX firewall. >=20 > I need the dmz client to mount a nfs share from the internal net=20 > server. So I opened up port 2049 tcp/udp, and also port 111 tcp/udp.=20 > The nfs mount still hangs. While doing a tcpdump the rpc port 111=20 > traffic goes back and forth, but no nfs. Am I missing something in the=20 > firewall? >=20 > Granted all of this poses security and performance issues, but its a=20 > special circumstance. At this point I just need to prove that it can be= =20 > done. You're missing quite a few ports. I have the following firewall rules in place to allow 3 machines access=20 to nfs (sorry about the long lines): # NFS - only open to a few machines for host in 3 5 9; do $INSIDERULES -p tcp -s 192.168.1.${host} -m multiport --dports 11= 1,1000,1001,1002,1003,2049 -j ACCEPT $INSIDERULES -p udp -s 192.168.1.${host} -m multiport --dports 11= 1,1000,1001,1002,1003,2049 -j ACCEPT done And then I have this configuration to force nfs to bind to those ports: /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server: RPCMOUNTDOPTS=3D"-p 1002" /etc/default/nfs-common: STATDOPTS=3D"--port 1000 -o 1001" /etc/modutils/lockd.local: options lockd nlm_udpport=3D1003 nlm_tcpport=3D1003 (then run update-modules to regenerate modules.conf) Hope that's helpful, --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | The future lies ahead. | | steve@lobefin.net | | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --ADZbWkCsHQ7r3kzd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEN5/MSYIMHOpZA44RAjKnAJ9Jki8YpAZLvPKGky1c2sf4LwVd9ACeIxsa g0RmT9uC+82bSYlj7w2DLOg= =0nf+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ADZbWkCsHQ7r3kzd-- --===============1583856812== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1583856812==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Apr 08 20:11:15 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 8849 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 20:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 20:11:14 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 8833 invoked by uid 107); 8 Apr 2006 20:11:12 -0000 Received: from [64.233.184.233] (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.233) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:11:12 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i2so257423wra for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:11:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lErMJ9+Ed3bLBah/WzXjHN+Qa8TzRsuTvgaa9M4ipf6V0jQtnCWKa0NETN1bjd7UdkBuR3srq4e1RZOK7B5iicbNet9el7L3YrBnTl2AF5QtYXMkoX8R9IS8Y+La9xpVJXmMfZIBdYQQR4iPPGYNKtciHJ5QCIDO5vggqIOAfnw= Received: by 10.54.138.3 with SMTP id l3mr4409498wrd; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ?10.13.0.100? ( [216.164.142.76]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g3sm10787wra.2006.04.08.13.11.10; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44382C65.2010800@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:34:29 -0400 From: Bob Heise User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050610) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] Sparc Keyboard X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Hello all, I recently acquired a Sun ultrasparc and would like to put linux on it; however, it uses a proprietary sort of keyboard I do not own. Does anyone have an extra such keyboard they would be willing to part with, or know where I could obtain one cheaply? Thanks, Bob Heise ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Apr 08 21:20:04 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 16780 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 21:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 21:20:03 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 16746 invoked by uid 107); 8 Apr 2006 21:20:00 -0000 Received: from [82.71.90.98] (HELO mail.lobefin.net) (82.71.90.98) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:20:00 -0400 Received: from lobefin.net ([82.71.90.97] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by mail.lobefin.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1FSKqC-00033a-7P for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:19:32 +0100 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FSKqF-0007J9-Uk for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:19:35 +0100 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:19:35 +0100 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Sparc Keyboard Message-ID: <20060408211935.GA28051@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <44382C65.2010800@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <44382C65.2010800@gmail.com> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.8-3-686-smp i686 X-Uptime: 15 days X-Latin: Hodie sexto Idus Apriles MMDCCLIX ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Pungenday, the 25th day of Discord in the YOLD 3172 X-DDate: Only 2430778 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. 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X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Authenticated-Sender: steve X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.88.1/1384 on mail.lobefin.net; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:19:32 +0100 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0698091533==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0698091533== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP" Content-Disposition: inline --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 05:34:29PM -0400, Bob Heise said: > Hello all, >=20 > I recently acquired a Sun ultrasparc and would like to put linux on it;= =20 > however, it uses a proprietary sort of keyboard I do not own. Does=20 > anyone have an extra such keyboard they would be willing to part with,=20 > or know where I could obtain one cheaply? I can't help with your acrual problem, but I can offer alternative advice. You can usually get a serial console on sparcs, and just communicate via that, without needing the actual sun keyboard. Hope that helps, --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | Troubled day for virgins over 16 who | | steve@lobefin.net | are beautiful and wealthy and live in | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | eucalyptus trees. | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEOCjnSYIMHOpZA44RAgq/AJ94CkHAQHi3eh+V+guYZWHnOlQEIwCfYM38 xYBlVW4K15rY8Zj3pBROyxQ= =a/JW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP-- --===============0698091533== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0698091533==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Apr 08 22:25:54 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 23331 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 22:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 22:25:53 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 23319 invoked by uid 107); 8 Apr 2006 22:25:50 -0000 Received: from [68.230.240.36] (HELO eastrmmtao03.cox.net) (68.230.240.36) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:25:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.124] (really [68.100.117.80]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060408222526.HTQN29285.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.1.124]> for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:25:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [PLUG] Sparc Keyboard From: Rich G To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <20060408211935.GA28051@www.lobefin.net> References: <44382C65.2010800@gmail.com> <20060408211935.GA28051@www.lobefin.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:25:28 -0400 Message-Id: <1144535128.6937.3.camel@BigTux.rathaus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 22:19 +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 05:34:29PM -0400, Bob Heise said: > > Hello all, > > > > I recently acquired a Sun ultrasparc and would like to put linux on it; > > however, it uses a proprietary sort of keyboard I do not own. Does > > anyone have an extra such keyboard they would be willing to part with, > > or know where I could obtain one cheaply? > > I can't help with your acrual problem, but I can offer alternative > advice. You can usually get a serial console on sparcs, and just > communicate via that, without needing the actual sun keyboard. > > Hope that helps, I don't believe this is totally accurate. While I haven't done Sun admin in a long timme, I know you can get to the SPARC via the serial port but Sun used to require a keyboard for desktop machines. We used to have modified keyboard connectors that allowed the box to boot w/o a keyboard.... No keyboard. No bootup. And the machines used to lockup w/o the keyboard. It very well may depend on the machine and class as to whether the keyboard is actually required. Rich ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Apr 08 22:49:24 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 25313 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2006 22:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Apr 2006 22:49:23 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 25301 invoked by uid 107); 8 Apr 2006 22:49:21 -0000 Received: from [66.33.193.188] (HELO firey.dreamhost.com) (66.33.193.188) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:49:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-69-142-94-59.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [69.142.94.59]) by firey.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25EC16D48E for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:48:58 -0400 From: Toby DiPasquale To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Sparc Keyboard Message-ID: <20060408224858.GA24383@adidas> References: <44382C65.2010800@gmail.com> <20060408211935.GA28051@www.lobefin.net> <1144535128.6937.3.camel@BigTux.rathaus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1144535128.6937.3.camel@BigTux.rathaus> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 06:25:28PM -0400, Rich G wrote: > On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 22:19 +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 05:34:29PM -0400, Bob Heise said: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > I recently acquired a Sun ultrasparc and would like to put linux on it; > > > however, it uses a proprietary sort of keyboard I do not own. Does > > > anyone have an extra such keyboard they would be willing to part with, > > > or know where I could obtain one cheaply? > > > > I can't help with your acrual problem, but I can offer alternative > > advice. You can usually get a serial console on sparcs, and just > > communicate via that, without needing the actual sun keyboard. > > > > Hope that helps, > > I don't believe this is totally accurate. While I haven't done Sun > admin in a long timme, I know you can get to the SPARC via the serial > port but Sun used to require a keyboard for desktop machines. We used > to have modified keyboard connectors that allowed the box to boot w/o a > keyboard.... No keyboard. No bootup. And the machines used to lockup > w/o the keyboard. It very well may depend on the machine and class as > to whether the keyboard is actually required. +1 I remember this very well from my Solaris admin days as well. The only machines that would boot without a keyboard had E in front of their model numbers. -- Toby DiPasquale ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Apr 09 00:12:52 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 1102 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 00:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 00:12:52 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 1092 invoked by uid 107); 9 Apr 2006 00:12:49 -0000 Received: from [66.249.92.174] (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.174) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:12:49 -0400 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o2so410879uge for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:12:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eHQPeVjn/aMDlo98uPuBI1/pXgy2mZEael78QaSLXqryr+XqQ+frCd+4jz5ktGEDehGC6QisAv2B7Ftx7CQdLlXSQJLUvhw+3JgohPz/XrofqnCuLrjgLYtpjSu0kPC+Qo6pWyk3Xkk3XcXJsMeQT5Qq9V012wCBhX1C93tPo1E= Received: by 10.78.17.1 with SMTP id 1mr129595huq; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.30.4 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1cc4360d0604081712m3671c7a1h13af37d3a5c9bfc6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:12:23 -0400 From: "John Fiore" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Sparc Keyboard In-Reply-To: <44382C65.2010800@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <44382C65.2010800@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > I recently acquired a Sun ultrasparc and would like to put linux on it; > however, it uses a proprietary sort of keyboard I do not own. Does > anyone have an extra such keyboard they would be willing to part with, > or know where I could obtain one cheaply? Have you checked ebay? I got mine there, and I don't think that I paid more than $20 for it. You could try the serial console thing, but isn't it more fun having a keyboard with the control key in the right place? John ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Apr 09 16:15:16 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 1946 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 16:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 16:15:15 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 1935 invoked by uid 107); 9 Apr 2006 16:15:13 -0000 Received: from [66.98.146.55] (HELO s14.s14avahost.net) (66.98.146.55) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:15:13 -0400 Received: from c-68-37-160-168.hsd1.pa.comcast.net ([68.37.160.168] helo=[192.168.123.9]) by s14.s14avahost.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.52) id 1FSbZ2-0005SB-DP for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:10:56 -0500 Message-ID: <44393315.4090706@ashdar-partners.com> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:15:17 -0400 From: Darin Strait Organization: Ashdar Partners User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Sparc Keyboard References: <44382C65.2010800@gmail.com> <1cc4360d0604081712m3671c7a1h13af37d3a5c9bfc6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1cc4360d0604081712m3671c7a1h13af37d3a5c9bfc6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: darin.strait@ashdar-partners.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - s14.s14avahost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.phillylinux.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ashdar-partners.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: darin.strait@