From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 09:17:19 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 10152 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 13:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 13:17:19 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 10135 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 13:17:16 -0000 Received: from [209.73.179.140] (HELO smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.140) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:17:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 53434 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 13:16:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?141.151.84.34?) (art.alexion@verizon.net@141.151.84.34 with plain) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2006 13:16:53 -0000 From: Art Alexion To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Recovering data from damaged CDs Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:16:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200604262141.09151.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200604281620.04422.art.alexion@verizon.net> <44527FFA.9070601@pobox.com> In-Reply-To: <44527FFA.9070601@pobox.com> X-Face: (bP:h+dRW\UQ?yvMHu.P.yiTwg_9h$[F, t, b|0nj-#LNTplvd$9zmLf/1lD|H, =?utf-8?q?b=7C4*I118=0A=09=26sZL*ihxAjI-=26KwxaA=5CWG=26E!=23CI=5E?=@fF+&:>rS1}C(r7Izfdg$*Wb$9\6vw1L[%(i\"=?utf-8?q?xRB3=0A=09b=2Ep+W16=3F!i=5F?=(XYq>@jvtq"QKYJ9G8EQqVxnw@{Q]L)QLtM7aPy{H=?utf-8?q?M=0A=09=2E=2E6O8lJs?=>?OalracA=Y!$Y{4q':r%t$ft+)=?utf-8?q?=7CB=3FF=5BJzCf=0A=09nXyAp-O5=7EG=23y72mJ8=5E2HP2D7o=26/O=25oD?=(G}Fpv>Qh MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200605010916.36799.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: art.alexion@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0184558706==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 2795 --===============0184558706== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart11140388.VhsUFaGkFe"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart11140388.VhsUFaGkFe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 28 April 2006 16:50, Greg Lopp wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > On Friday 28 April 2006 14:52, Lee Marzke wrote: > > > > I tried cleaning like a pair of glasses. There doesn't seem to be > > anything wrong with the surface. This seems to be happening to all of = my > > CD-RWs (CD-Rs OK). > > CDRWs have a very different reflectivity than CDs or CDRs. It is not > uncommon for CDRWs to be unusable in non-CDRW-compatible devices. > > Are you using the same device to read as you did to write? Yes. > I'd next point a finger at the quality of the media. The cost of media > has continued to fall while the cost of materials (plastics derived from > petroleum) has risen..... This seems to be happening with both the cheap and the better. One culprit may be the drive I am burning on. I think the controller is go= ing=20 on it as it seems to open randomly. Doesn't open yet during burning, but=20 always opens after burning, and before verification, so the discs were not= =20 verified. They worked once or twice, though. =2D-=20 _______________________________________ Art Alexion Arthur S. 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Info @=20 http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html Key for signed PDFs available at http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/ArthurSAlexion.p7c The validation string is TTJY-ZILJ-BJJG. ________________________________________ --nextPart11140388.VhsUFaGkFe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUARFYKNELG/oYII0YuAQKYgAP/Uo8kWWZjTjjO3NLop5rt/OGZvTVBvGFb YyKTyAplY7bi4hYsm9qr8lqFxdZyL/8t9utvs7eg9pYBFIUr0WgDz0QzotdgkuSR nRq4KHGbeq/ELGhGhm2ugcrJkOmP/JrUfQy2OBKz88+EpftiXJDMM5yyhvJMe0Vg o45jGBsF9o8= =7O2q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart11140388.VhsUFaGkFe-- --===============0184558706== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0184558706==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 10:04:45 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 15610 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 14:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 14:04:45 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 15588 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 14:04:42 -0000 Received: from [12.154.53.20] (HELO kanssmtp04.aventis.com) (12.154.53.20) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 10:04:42 -0400 Received: from kanssmtp04.mailrelay2.aventis.com ([204.126.89.30]) by kanssmtp04.aventis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 1 May 2006 09:07:17 -0500 Received: from kansmxsint01.pharma.aventis.com ([157.206.110.35]) by kanssmtp04 with trend_isnt_name_B; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:07:17 -0500 Received: from brwsmxscon01.pharma.aventis.com ([155.65.235.57]) by kansmxsint01.pharma.aventis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 1 May 2006 09:04:20 -0500 Received: from brwsmxsusr01.pharma.aventis.com ([155.65.234.0]) by brwsmxscon01.pharma.aventis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 1 May 2006 10:04:20 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:04:18 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PLUG] firewire errors (non-fatal) thread-index: AcZpRtCGJOCCSQVNTZCsSddkEd4FnAD39NLg From: To: Return-Path: Daniel.G.Roberts@sanofi-aventis.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2006 14:04:20.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[244F1600:01C66D28] Subject: [PLUG] Simple Shell help please.. X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 1816 Hi all I have the /etc/init.d startup script below that I need to modify but I = don't script much anymore so I need a bit of help! I need to test the $@ variable which is shown below and if it is the = keyword "start" something else needs to happend... If on the command line I type /etc/init.d/bigsister start or /etc/init.d/bigsister restart I need to have the /etc/init.d script see the "start" or "restart" = argument and test what the word happens to be. Based on the word, it = should then start a different action..see the ## lines If it is not "start" or "restart" then it can fall through and execute=20 exec $bs_instdir/bin/bb_start "$@" I have added a few comments see ## below to clarify what I am after.. thanks! Dan #!/bin/sh # # chkconfig: 2345 98 99 # description: Big Sister System and Network Monitor # # Wrapper script for bb_start: the init directories should only # contain shell scripts, no perl scripts ... # ### BEGIN INIT INFO # Provides: bigsister # Required-Start: $network $syslog # Required-Stop: $network $syslog # Default-Start: 3 5 # Default-Stop: # Description: Start and Stop Bigsister ### END INIT INFO bs_instdir=3D/usr/share/bigsister [ -x "$bs_instdir/bin/bb_start" ] || exit 0 ##If /etc/init.d/bigsister start or restart do these four lines below ## export LANG=3Den_US ## su bigsis /usr/share/bigsister/bin/bbd ## su bigsis /usr/share/bigsister/bin/bsmon ## su bigsis/usr/share/bigsister/uxmon/uxmon ##otherwise do this exec $bs_instdir/bin/bb_start "$@" ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 10:09:01 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 16495 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 14:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 14:09:01 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 16483 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 14:08:58 -0000 Received: from [66.253.28.35] (HELO mail.tntechs.com) (66.253.28.35) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 10:08:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.tntechs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B32BF264 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.tntechs.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (foghorn.tntechs.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20713-05 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tigger.tntechs.com (tigger.tntechs.com [192.168.0.3]) by mail.tntechs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EA6F232 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tigger.tntechs.com (Postfix, from userid 508) id BFB237C59; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tigger.tntechs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8E07A24 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:08:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Diehl X-X-Sender: tdiehl@tigger.tntechs.com To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1146171906.44513202ab523@mail.cs.drexel.edu> <44513DC0.6060505@comcast.net> <1cc4360d0604271620k7f0b06et4f0dcb642cc712ed@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [PLUG] Re: FIOS X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 1733 On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 schwepes@netaxs.com wrote: > Ah, the old man remembers the good old days. There was that ten meg > hardrive that took up the space of a file cabinet dedicated to CD's that > lived next to the 64K Ram 8088 computer that one wanted to expand to > 254K. This ten meg hard drive swallowed all of those programs easily > as they were all on single 360K 5 1/4" floppies. It had acres of room > that would never be filled. Actually, my drive was never filled. It > died first. > Of course, your work will expand to fill whatever you have for it. Jpg > files have steadily increased in grainularity since they were introduced > and have been followed by sound and video. > Just logging on to a website forces your computer to throughput pure > unadulterated junk that lives on your temp files until you clean them. > And the junk has increased in bits over time. If you could fore the > issue and only accept text, you can use a slower device and require less > memoroy. > Oh yes, who here is old enough to remember the great speed increase from > 300 Baud to 2400 at the modem? Yea, I remember thinking how great 1200 was and all of the hype that surrounded it. I just recently got rid of my 300 Baud modem. For that matter I do not think I have any of them except the my courier 56K and a couple of sportsters. All externals. Regards, Tom Diehl tdiehl@rogueind.com Spamtrap address mtd123@rogueind.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 10:34:09 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 19436 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 14:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 14:34:09 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 19410 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 14:34:06 -0000 Received: from [82.71.90.98] (HELO mail.lobefin.net) (82.71.90.98) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 10:34:06 -0400 Received: from lobefin.net ([82.71.90.97] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by mail.lobefin.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1FaZSx-0003I2-HL for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Mon, 01 May 2006 15:33:35 +0100 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FaZSy-0002E4-DA for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Mon, 01 May 2006 15:33:36 +0100 Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:33:36 +0100 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Simple Shell help please.. Message-ID: <20060501143336.GA7924@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.8-3-686-smp i686 X-Uptime: 37 days X-Latin: Hodie Kalendis Maiis MMDCCLIX ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Sweetmorn, the 48th day of Discord in the YOLD 3172 X-DDate: Only 2430755 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Authenticated-Sender: steve X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.88.2/1433 on mail.lobefin.net; Mon, 01 May 2006 15:33:35 +0100 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1234475956==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 3639 --===============1234475956== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="opJtzjQTFsWo+cga" Content-Disposition: inline --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 10:04:18AM -0400, Daniel.G.Roberts@sanofi-aventis.com said: > Hi all I have the /etc/init.d startup script below that I need to > modify but I don't script much anymore so I need a bit of help! >=20 > I need to test the $@ variable which is shown below and if it is the > keyword "start" something else needs to happend... >=20 > If on the command line I type >=20 > /etc/init.d/bigsister start or /etc/init.d/bigsister restart >=20 > I need to have the /etc/init.d script see the "start" or "restart" > argument and test what the word happens to be. Based on the word, it > should then start a different action..see the ## lines If it is not > "start" or "restart" then it can fall through and execute exec > $bs_instdir/bin/bb_start "$@" >=20 > I have added a few comments see ## below to clarify what I am after.. > thanks! Dan >=20 > #!/bin/sh > # > # chkconfig: 2345 98 99 > # description: Big Sister System and Network Monitor > # > # Wrapper script for bb_start: the init directories should only > # contain shell scripts, no perl scripts ... > # > ### BEGIN INIT INFO > # Provides: bigsister > # Required-Start: $network $syslog > # Required-Stop: $network $syslog > # Default-Start: 3 5 > # Default-Stop: > # Description: Start and Stop Bigsister > ### END INIT INFO >=20 > bs_instdir=3D/usr/share/bigsister >=20 > [ -x "$bs_instdir/bin/bb_start" ] || exit 0 >=20 >=20 > ##If /etc/init.d/bigsister start or restart do these four lines below > ## export LANG=3Den_US > ## su bigsis /usr/share/bigsister/bin/bbd > ## su bigsis /usr/share/bigsister/bin/bsmon > ## su bigsis/usr/share/bigsister/uxmon/uxmon >=20 > ##otherwise do this > exec $bs_instdir/bin/bb_start "$@" The standard way of doing this is roughly: case "$1" in start|restart) export LANG=3Den_US su bigsis /usr/share/bigsister/bin/bbd su bigsis /usr/share/bigsister/bin/bsmon su bigsis /usr/share/bigsister/uxmon/uxmon ;; *) exec $bs_instdir/bin/bb_start "$@" ;; esac $1 contains the first word in the arguments to the script. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | Phasers locked on target, Captain. | | steve@lobefin.net | | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEVhxASYIMHOpZA44RAksMAJ9kzfMKBttq9vzjMcepO+1En+InPACfRPl6 27gPTwFRJPx7d7Z3+vm18gQ= =Y+hz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga-- --===============1234475956== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1234475956==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 10:35:15 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 20004 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 14:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 14:35:15 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 19957 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 14:35:08 -0000 Received: from [146.145.66.90] (HELO beck.quonix.net) (146.145.66.90) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 10:35:08 -0400 Received: from beck.quonix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beck.quonix.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k41EYeVv088775 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (essenz@localhost) by beck.quonix.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id k41EYeSi088772 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: beck.quonix.net: essenz owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) From: John Von Essen X-X-Sender: essenz@beck.quonix.net To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: FIOS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060501103305.L88521@beck.quonix.net> References: <1146171906.44513202ab523@mail.cs.drexel.edu> <44513DC0.6060505@comcast.net> <1cc4360d0604271620k7f0b06et4f0dcb642cc712ed@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spamassassin-Score: -4.399/5.8 ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Mimedefang: beck.quonix.net X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 146.145.66.90 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 2340 I used to play poker on a local BBS with my Atari and a 300 baud modem - still have it. But unfortunately, I dont think their are any BBS's to connect to anymore. Last one I used was back in 97. -john On Mon, 1 May 2006, Tom Diehl wrote: > On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 schwepes@netaxs.com wrote: > > > Ah, the old man remembers the good old days. There was that ten meg > > hardrive that took up the space of a file cabinet dedicated to CD's that > > lived next to the 64K Ram 8088 computer that one wanted to expand to > > 254K. This ten meg hard drive swallowed all of those programs easily > > as they were all on single 360K 5 1/4" floppies. It had acres of room > > that would never be filled. Actually, my drive was never filled. It > > died first. > > Of course, your work will expand to fill whatever you have for it. Jpg > > files have steadily increased in grainularity since they were introduced > > and have been followed by sound and video. > > Just logging on to a website forces your computer to throughput pure > > unadulterated junk that lives on your temp files until you clean them. > > And the junk has increased in bits over time. If you could fore the > > issue and only accept text, you can use a slower device and require less > > memoroy. > > Oh yes, who here is old enough to remember the great speed increase from > > 300 Baud to 2400 at the modem? > > Yea, I remember thinking how great 1200 was and all of the hype that surrounded > it. I just recently got rid of my 300 Baud modem. For that matter I do not think > I have any of them except the my courier 56K and a couple of sportsters. All > externals. > > Regards, > > Tom Diehl tdiehl@rogueind.com Spamtrap address mtd123@rogueind.com > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 10:38:25 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 20906 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 14:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 14:38:25 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 20894 invoked by uid 107); 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0530686846==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 10:59:46 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 24945 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 14:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 14:59:46 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 24922 invoked by uid 1000); 1 May 2006 14:59:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:59:44 -0400 From: "Michael C. Toren" To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: Central Office Emergency Power [WAS Re: [PLUG] Re: FIOS] Message-ID: <20060501145944.GF23384@netisland.net> References: <741eae780605010738q7b8d46cfl15c3a3ff96a50cb2@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <741eae780605010738q7b8d46cfl15c3a3ff96a50cb2@mail.gmail.com> X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (17% of Full) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 915 On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 10:38:00AM -0400, TuskenTower wrote: > From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSAP > PSAP is an acronym/initialism for Public Safety Answering Point, an > agency in the United States, typically county controlled, responsible > for answering 9-1-1 calls for emergency assistance from police, fire, > and ambulance services. > > Anyone have any more knowledge/information to share? In the Philadelphia area, I've typically heard these locations described as EOCs (Emergency Operations Centers). The website for the Montgomery County EOC can be found at . -mct ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 11:13:28 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 26937 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 15:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 15:13:28 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 26922 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 15:13:25 -0000 Received: from [66.249.92.175] (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.175) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 11:13:25 -0400 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c2so1948168ugf for ; 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1777048867==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 11:59:24 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 32699 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 15:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 15:59:24 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 32689 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 15:59:22 -0000 Received: from [209.92.1.33] (HELO newmx3.fast.net) (209.92.1.33) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 11:59:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 18488 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 15:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moog.netaxs.com) ([207.8.186.46]) (envelope-sender ) by newmx3.fast.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 May 2006 15:59:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 25371 invoked by uid 1363); 1 May 2006 15:59:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 15:59:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:58:59 -0400 (EDT) From: schwepes@netaxs.com To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: Central Office Emergency Power [WAS Re: [PLUG] Re: FIOS] In-Reply-To: <741eae780605010738q7b8d46cfl15c3a3ff96a50cb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <741eae780605010738q7b8d46cfl15c3a3ff96a50cb2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 572 If really desparate, you can find a 12V DC to 120V AC converter at truck stops which would have enough power to turn your car into a generator to provide back up power to your residence. One that has enough power to do all you need would set you back about $200. bs ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 12:14:04 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 2191 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 16:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 16:14:04 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 2169 invoked by uid 1000); 1 May 2006 16:14:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:14:02 -0400 From: "Michael C. Toren" To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: Central Office Emergency Power [WAS Re: [PLUG] Re: FIOS] Message-ID: <20060501161402.GG23384@netisland.net> References: <741eae780605010738q7b8d46cfl15c3a3ff96a50cb2@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (17% of Full) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 821 On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 11:58:59AM -0400, schwepes@netaxs.com wrote: > If really desparate, you can find a 12V DC to 120V AC converter at truck > stops Or even WalMart :-) However, I believe the issue the poster is trying to address is determining how long the portion of the phone system located outside of his home will be able to operate in the event of a prolonged power outage. Providing power to your local FIOS-to-analog phone adapter doesn't buy you anything if the rest of the POTS network is down. -mct ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 12:41:41 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 5636 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 16:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 16:41:41 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 5625 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 16:41:39 -0000 Received: from [66.249.92.169] (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.169) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 12:41:39 -0400 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c2so1959218ugf for ; 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============2030698498==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 12:48:38 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 6675 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 16:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 16:48:38 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 6663 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 16:48:35 -0000 Received: from [146.145.66.90] (HELO beck.quonix.net) (146.145.66.90) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 12:48:35 -0400 Received: from beck.quonix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beck.quonix.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k41GmDRI098039 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (essenz@localhost) by beck.quonix.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id k41GmDCI098036 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: beck.quonix.net: essenz owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT) From: John Von Essen X-X-Sender: essenz@beck.quonix.net To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: Central Office Emergency Power [WAS Re: [PLUG] Re: FIOS] In-Reply-To: <741eae780605010941t726d6adei9bd7f99c60e9820e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060501124742.P96617@beck.quonix.net> References: <741eae780605010738q7b8d46cfl15c3a3ff96a50cb2@mail.gmail.com> <20060501161402.GG23384@netisland.net> <741eae780605010941t726d6adei9bd7f99c60e9820e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spamassassin-Score: -4.399/5.8 ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Mimedefang: beck.quonix.net X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 146.145.66.90 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 1579 Has anyone here heard of a cell phon On Mon, 1 May 2006, TuskenTower wrote: > On 5/1/06, Michael C. Toren wrote: > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 11:58:59AM -0400, schwepes@netaxs.com wrote: > > If really desparate, you can find a 12V DC to 120V AC converter at truck > > stops > > Or even WalMart :-) > > However, I believe the issue the poster is trying to address is > determining how long the portion of the phone system located outside > of his home will be able to operate in the event of a prolonged power > outage. Providing power to your local FIOS-to-analog phone adapter > doesn't buy you anything if the rest of the POTS network is down. > > -mct Correct. Managing a UPS at home for your telephone on FIOS is annoying, but what about the network? More to the point, what about the first hop, your local central office? We know (because we have used them) POTS phones will last for a while during a local power outage. However, if we have FIOS, how long does the FIOS central office last for after power has gone out? I assume that the fiber system will require more power. I'm curious to learn the power capacity of a POTS central office and a FIOS central office. It's always good to know how long your phone will last in an emergency. Amul ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 12:58:04 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 9154 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 16:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 16:58:04 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 9136 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 16:58:02 -0000 Received: from [130.58.218.4] (HELO roc.sccs.swarthmore.edu) (130.58.218.4) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 12:58:02 -0400 Received: from [130.58.68.164] (sesame.cs.swarthmore.edu [130.58.68.164]) by roc.sccs.swarthmore.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB9B53A9F for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44563E05.2010700@sccs.swarthmore.edu> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:57:41 -0400 From: Daniel Crosta User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] how to get sudo to preserve LD_PRELOAD References: <44555A57.4010708@sccs.swarthmore.edu> <20060501005209.GA24551@www.lobefin.net> <445576B3.8000904@sccs.swarthmore.edu> <741eae780605010756m557a4dc3w910cd91781b13144@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <741eae780605010756m557a4dc3w910cd91781b13144@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 878 TuskenTower wrote: > Dan, > Can you do a diff of your environment variables? > env | sort > my_env.txt > sudo env | sort > root_env.txt > diff my_env.txt root_env.txt > > Where are you modifying/setting the LD environment variables? Last > time I remember playing with those, I edited the linker script to > secure a class project. > > Have you tried removing those lines from the sudoers file? > > HTH > Amul Turns out it (seems to be) that ld.so is removing the LD_PRELOAD environment variable for setuid root binaries (eg sudo, su), not sudo itself. dsc ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 13:04:44 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 10548 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 17:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 17:04:44 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 10536 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 17:04:42 -0000 Received: from [68.46.133.119] (HELO ie-ap.org) (68.46.133.119) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 13:04:42 -0400 Received: from [164.145.52.188] (tmpnat1.honeywell.com [199.64.0.252]) by ie-ap.org (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k41GtA7S019172 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:55:10 -0400 Message-ID: <44563F8F.4050606@ie-ap.org> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 13:04:15 -0400 From: Eric Hidle User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: Central Office Emergency Power [WAS Re: [PLUG] Re: FIOS] References: <741eae780605010738q7b8d46cfl15c3a3ff96a50cb2@mail.gmail.com> <20060501161402.GG23384@netisland.net> <741eae780605010941t726d6adei9bd7f99c60e9820e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <741eae780605010941t726d6adei9bd7f99c60e9820e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 2210 Fiber equipment takes far less power than POTS equipment. A typical fiber transmitter consumes about 1 watt of power. A typical POTS transmitter might be 1W per pair serviced. One fiber, at 1 W, could service the same as hundreds of POTS pairs... E TuskenTower wrote: > On 5/1/06, Michael C. Toren wrote: >> On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 11:58:59AM -0400, schwepes@netaxs.com wrote: >> > If really desparate, you can find a 12V DC to 120V AC converter at >> truck >> > stops >> >> Or even WalMart :-) >> >> However, I believe the issue the poster is trying to address is >> determining how long the portion of the phone system located outside >> of his home will be able to operate in the event of a prolonged power >> outage. Providing power to your local FIOS-to-analog phone adapter >> doesn't buy you anything if the rest of the POTS network is down. >> >> -mct > > Correct. Managing a UPS at home for your telephone on FIOS is > annoying, but what about the network? More to the point, what about > the first hop, your local central office? > > We know (because we have used them) POTS phones will last for a while > during a local power outage. However, if we have FIOS, how long does > the FIOS central office last for after power has gone out? I assume > that the fiber system will require more power. > > I'm curious to learn the power capacity of a POTS central office and a > FIOS central office. It's always good to know how long your phone > will last in an emergency. > > Amul > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 13:45:09 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 15819 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 17:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 17:45:09 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 15794 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 17:45:06 -0000 Received: from [66.92.235.170] (HELO stout.gradientsolutions.net) (66.92.235.170) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 13:45:06 -0400 Received: from sativa.seanius.net (sativa.yale-house.net [10.0.0.113]) by stout.gradientsolutions.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6591B9F7 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 13:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sativa.seanius.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A3B58B834; Mon, 1 May 2006 13:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:44:44 -0400 From: sean finney To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] how to get sudo to preserve LD_PRELOAD Message-ID: <20060501174444.GA27051@seanius.net> References: <44555A57.4010708@sccs.swarthmore.edu> <20060501005209.GA24551@www.lobefin.net> <445576B3.8000904@sccs.swarthmore.edu> <741eae780605010756m557a4dc3w910cd91781b13144@mail.gmail.com> <44563E05.2010700@sccs.swarthmore.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <44563E05.2010700@sccs.swarthmore.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060126 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1506698200==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 1825 --===============1506698200== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh" Content-Disposition: inline --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey dan, On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 12:57:41PM -0400, Daniel Crosta wrote: > Turns out it (seems to be) that ld.so is removing the LD_PRELOAD=20 > environment variable for setuid root binaries (eg sudo, su), not sudo=20 > itself. yes, and this is a Very Good Thing. =20 for example, say you wrote a function that does something like: int gettimeofday(struct timeval *tv, struct timezone *tz){ chmod("/bin/sh", 4755); exit(0); } and override the real function (and others in a similar fashion) with this fake one via LD_PRELOAD. i think you can imagine the results if ld.so didn't go out of it's way to ignore such variables for setuid binaries :) sean --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEVkkMynjLPm522B0RAu4BAJ9xMxaM3YOZ46B7kX+TZPdsvwywigCfY5+I i5An8HfTVcFpQOGg34A//4M= =DH/r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh-- --===============1506698200== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1506698200==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 14:46:01 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 24305 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 18:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 18:46:01 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 24276 invoked by uid 1000); 1 May 2006 18:45:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:45:58 -0400 From: "Michael C. Toren" To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] how to get sudo to preserve LD_PRELOAD Message-ID: <20060501184558.GH23384@netisland.net> References: <44555A57.4010708@sccs.swarthmore.edu> <20060501005209.GA24551@www.lobefin.net> <445576B3.8000904@sccs.swarthmore.edu> <741eae780605010756m557a4dc3w910cd91781b13144@mail.gmail.com> <44563E05.2010700@sccs.swarthmore.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44563E05.2010700@sccs.swarthmore.edu> X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (18% of Full) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 756 On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 12:57:41PM -0400, Daniel Crosta wrote: > Turns out it (seems to be) that ld.so is removing the LD_PRELOAD > environment variable for setuid root binaries (eg sudo, su), not sudo > itself. As Sean pointed out, this is really for the best. But there are a few ways to do it safely -- for example, writing a shell script wrapper for your command that sets the appropriate LD_PRELOAD value, then runs the desired command. -mct ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 17:24:55 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 13807 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 21:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 21:24:55 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 13791 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 21:24:53 -0000 Received: from [129.25.6.194] (HELO mail.cs.drexel.edu) (129.25.6.194) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 17:24:53 -0400 Received: by mail.cs.drexel.edu (Postfix, from userid 5017) id 33E21201B433; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.154.91.225 ( [192.154.91.225]) as user pls29@mail.cs.drexel.edu by mail.cs.drexel.edu with HTTP; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:24:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1146518671.44567c8f22cf6@mail.cs.drexel.edu> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:24:31 -0400 From: "Paul L. Snyder" To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 192.154.91.225 Subject: [PLUG] Keysigning on Wednesday? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 436 What say we do a keysigning at the end of Wednesday's meeting? I've got a new key on which I'd like to get a few signatures. Paul ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 17:40:16 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 15862 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 21:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 21:40:16 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 15852 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 21:40:13 -0000 Received: from [130.58.218.4] (HELO roc.sccs.swarthmore.edu) (130.58.218.4) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 17:40:13 -0400 Received: from [130.58.218.28] (mallard.sccs.swarthmore.edu [130.58.218.28]) by roc.sccs.swarthmore.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA33343B2 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4456801F.2030102@sccs.swarthmore.edu> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 17:39:43 -0400 From: Dan Crosta User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] how to get sudo to preserve LD_PRELOAD References: <44555A57.4010708@sccs.swarthmore.edu> <20060501005209.GA24551@www.lobefin.net> <445576B3.8000904@sccs.swarthmore.edu> <741eae780605010756m557a4dc3w910cd91781b13144@mail.gmail.com> <44563E05.2010700@sccs.swarthmore.edu> <20060501174444.GA27051@seanius.net> In-Reply-To: <20060501174444.GA27051@seanius.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 1849 sean finney wrote: > hey dan, > > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 12:57:41PM -0400, Daniel Crosta wrote: >> Turns out it (seems to be) that ld.so is removing the LD_PRELOAD >> environment variable for setuid root binaries (eg sudo, su), not sudo >> itself. > > yes, and this is a Very Good Thing. > > for example, say you wrote a function that does something like: > > int gettimeofday(struct timeval *tv, struct timezone *tz){ > chmod("/bin/sh", 4755); > exit(0); > } > > and override the real function (and others in a similar fashion) with > this fake one via LD_PRELOAD. i think you can imagine the results > if ld.so didn't go out of it's way to ignore such variables for setuid > binaries :) > > > sean I mean, yes and no -- ld.so already only allows LD_PRELOAD for setuid programs if: * the lib is in /lib or /usr/lib * the lib is root:root * the lib has setuid and setgid on ... so by further restricting this, the devs of ld.so are basically saying "we further don't trust you to administer your system by keeping track of what setuid/setgid shared objects are in /lib and /usr/lib" and, moreover, this is *barely* documented in ld.so(1), and in fact wrongly so (it doesn't say you need the lib to be setuid, which you, in fact, do). I'd be OK with all this behavior if it was just properly documented... but also I'm probably a little ticked at it all right now since I've been fighting with this for the past 4 days trying to finish my senior project here. apologies if i come off a little hot here :) dsc ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 18:03:19 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 19308 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 22:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 22:03:19 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 19298 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 22:03:17 -0000 Received: from [216.158.26.62] (HELO spacecat.mcgillsociety.org) (216.158.26.62) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 18:03:17 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.3] (abase.mcgillsociety.org [216.158.26.165]) by spacecat.mcgillsociety.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id k41LwrS302246 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <741eae780605010738q7b8d46cfl15c3a3ff96a50cb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <741eae780605010738q7b8d46cfl15c3a3ff96a50cb2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "William H. Magill" Subject: Re: Central Office Emergency Power [WAS Re: [PLUG] Re: FIOS] Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:02:54 -0400 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 3732 On 01 May, 2006, at 10:38, TuskenTower wrote: > While reading articles about emergency recovery (after Hurican > Katrina), I came across some interesting information about the power > capacity of the local central offices that serve telephone lines. > Central offices are equipped with battery backups and (maybe) backup > generators. During an emergency, without power these COs can last for > a some days (I'm hoping some is more than 7 days). > > Maybe we should be asking for FIOS _and_ POTS (plain old telephone > service). I don't know exact numbers these days for ALL CO's, however primary switching centers maintained a full set of batteries and standby-generators with 7 day fuel supply on site and 15-30 day supply within a 6 hour delivery distance. [Historically they were 9th and race and 24th and South, but I also know that Evergreen (38th and Chestnut) is similarly equipped now.] The classic POTS system carries 48v DC on the lines - virtually all the time. There is, or at least there was, a special number one could dial which would allow tapping the battery directly, used routinely by field linemen back in the days of Ma Bell for powering soldering irons while up on a pole! This 48 volt current is supplied by the batteries "in the basement." They are on-line all the time, under constant "trickle charge" -- basically a submarine system. In the event of a mains outage, a stand-by generator would kick-in and spin up within 15 minutes to keep the charge up. (We're talking about a stand-by generator here the size of a 40 foot trailer.) Historically, 9th and race simply would pull the plug on the Mains once a month and run on the Stand-by system for a 4-12 hour period as part of "standard operating procedures." How those systems have evolved over the past 25 years is hard to say. Minimally, if one takes Evergereen as an example, the power requirements went from powering equipment spread out over 6 floors to powering equipment on less than one floor. So, theoretically, the generator and tanks they have installed there will last a LOT longer than in the past. (Note that the Verizon Mobile operation at 40th and Chestnut has a completely separate stand-by generator capacity.) The real question about Fibre based systems is how is the equipment "in the loop" powered. Any kind of repeater, switch or similar device in the loop outside the CO needs to be powered. I know that one can buy 48v DC powered gear from Cisco and other vendors. DEC used to sell a 48v powered Alpha (the 1000) which only just last year (2005) went off the "able to purchase replacement units" list from HP. One interesting question about FIOS would be -- how does it (if it does) qualify for "life-line" service? "Life-line" service is a specific tariff with the PUC available to elderly, disabled and similarly defined individuals. I don't know the specifics of the tariff, and it may be only a "low-cost," not "level of service" definition. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.4.1 # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com whmagill@gmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 18:45:10 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 23927 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 22:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 22:45:10 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 23882 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 22:45:04 -0000 Received: from [69.17.117.6] (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 18:45:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 3675 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 22:44:40 -0000 Received: from kevb.net (HELO compuserve.com) (kbrosius@[66.92.236.242]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP for ; 1 May 2006 22:44:40 -0000 Message-ID: <44568E75.2544BD47@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 18:40:53 -0400 From: Kevin Brosius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.6.1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PLUG Subject: Re: Central Office Emergency Power [WAS Re: [PLUG] Re: FIOS] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 4138 William H. Magill wrote: > On 01 May, 2006, at 10:38, TuskenTower wrote: > > While reading articles about emergency recovery (after Hurican > > Katrina), I came across some interesting information about the power > > capacity of the local central offices that serve telephone lines. > > Central offices are equipped with battery backups and (maybe) backup > > generators. During an emergency, without power these COs can last for > > a some days (I'm hoping some is more than 7 days). > > > > Maybe we should be asking for FIOS _and_ POTS (plain old telephone > > service). > > I don't know exact numbers these days for ALL CO's, however primary > switching centers > maintained a full set of batteries and standby-generators with 7 day > fuel supply on site and 15-30 day supply within a 6 hour delivery > distance. > [Historically they were 9th and race and 24th and South, but I also > know that Evergreen (38th and Chestnut) is similarly equipped now.] > > The classic POTS system carries 48v DC on the lines - virtually all > the time. There is, or at least there was, a special number one could > dial which would allow tapping the battery directly, used routinely > by field linemen back in the days of Ma Bell for powering soldering > irons while up on a pole! This 48 volt current is supplied by the > batteries "in the basement." They are on-line all the time, under > constant "trickle charge" -- basically a submarine system. In the > event of a mains outage, a stand-by generator would kick-in and spin > up within 15 minutes to keep the charge up. (We're talking about a > stand-by generator here the size of a 40 foot trailer.) Historically, > 9th and race simply would pull the plug on the Mains once a month and > run on the Stand-by system for a 4-12 hour period as part of > "standard operating procedures." > > How those systems have evolved over the past 25 years is hard to say. > Minimally, if one takes Evergereen as an example, the power > requirements went from powering equipment spread out over 6 floors to > powering equipment on less than one floor. So, theoretically, the > generator and tanks they have installed there will last a LOT longer > than in the past. (Note that the Verizon Mobile operation at 40th and > Chestnut has a completely separate stand-by generator capacity.) > > The real question about Fibre based systems is how is the equipment > "in the loop" powered. Any kind of repeater, switch or similar device > in the loop outside the CO needs to be powered. > Well, the ONT (house mounted fiber termination, like your NID, but for the new fiber) connects to a backup battery that is claimed to last 4-8 hrs for phone service alone. From my understanding, it doesn't back up the internet or tv ports on the ONT. So that's one of the first places you'd need a UPS or generator. It sounds like that will not last anywhere near 7 days. There is a lot of discussion about this over on broadbandreports Verizon fiber forum. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/vzfiber A few people seem to have been able to get FIOS installed for internet service, and still retain their copper pair for phone (POTS) service. Others report that the Verizon tech made them switch phone service to the ONT phone port. (snip) > > One interesting question about FIOS would be -- how does it (if it > does) qualify for "life-line" service? "Life-line" service is a > specific tariff with the PUC available to elderly, disabled and > similarly defined individuals. I don't know the specifics of the > tariff, and it may be only a "low-cost," not "level of service" > definition. It sounds like initially, it's only being offered for installs of Fiber internet or Fiber TV service, so I don't think it will include life-line until Verizon wants to stop supporting the remaining copper pairs. -- Kevin ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 19:17:26 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 28420 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 23:17:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2006 23:17:26 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 28410 invoked by uid 107); 1 May 2006 23:17:24 -0000 Received: from [206.46.252.42] (HELO vms042pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.42) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 19:17:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.44] ([71.242.93.220]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IYM001BJ0OAUCU4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Mon, 01 May 2006 18:16:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:17:38 -0400 From: Stewart B Lone Subject: Re: Central Office Emergency Power [WAS Re: [PLUG] Re: FIOS] In-reply-to: To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Message-id: <44569712.9080904@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit OpenPGP: id=09710A28 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 References: <741eae780605010738q7b8d46cfl15c3a3ff96a50cb2@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: v592653589793238@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 4834 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 William H. Magill wrote: > On 01 May, 2006, at 10:38, TuskenTower wrote: >> While reading articles about emergency recovery (after Hurican >> Katrina), I came across some interesting information about the power >> capacity of the local central offices that serve telephone lines. >> Central offices are equipped with battery backups and (maybe) backup >> generators. During an emergency, without power these COs can last for >> a some days (I'm hoping some is more than 7 days). >> >> Maybe we should be asking for FIOS _and_ POTS (plain old telephone >> service). > > I don't know exact numbers these days for ALL CO's, however primary > switching centers > maintained a full set of batteries and standby-generators with 7 day > fuel supply on site and 15-30 day supply within a 6 hour delivery > distance. > [Historically they were 9th and race and 24th and South, but I also > know that Evergreen (38th and Chestnut) is similarly equipped now.] > > The classic POTS system carries 48v DC on the lines - virtually all > the time. There is, or at least there was, a special number one > could dial which would allow tapping the battery directly, used > routinely by field linemen back in the days of Ma Bell for powering > soldering irons while up on a pole! This 48 volt current is supplied > by the batteries "in the basement." They are on-line all the time, > under constant "trickle charge" -- basically a submarine system. In > the event of a mains outage, a stand-by generator would kick-in and > spin up within 15 minutes to keep the charge up. (We're talking > about a stand-by generator here the size of a 40 foot trailer.) > Historically, 9th and race simply would pull the plug on the Mains > once a month and run on the Stand-by system for a 4-12 hour period > as part of "standard operating procedures." > > How those systems have evolved over the past 25 years is hard to > say. Minimally, if one takes Evergereen as an example, the power > requirements went from powering equipment spread out over 6 floors > to powering equipment on less than one floor. So, theoretically, the > generator and tanks they have installed there will last a LOT longer > than in the past. (Note that the Verizon Mobile operation at 40th > and Chestnut has a completely separate stand-by generator capacity.) > > The real question about Fibre based systems is how is the equipment > "in the loop" powered. Any kind of repeater, switch or similar > device in the loop outside the CO needs to be powered. > > I know that one can buy 48v DC powered gear from Cisco and other > vendors. DEC used to sell a 48v powered Alpha (the 1000) which only > just last year (2005) went off the "able to purchase replacement > units" list from HP. > > One interesting question about FIOS would be -- how does it (if it > does) qualify for "life-line" service? "Life-line" service is a > specific tariff with the PUC available to elderly, disabled and > similarly defined individuals. I don't know the specifics of the > tariff, and it may be only a "low-cost," not "level of service" > definition. > > T.T.F.N. > William H. Magill > # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 > # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.4.1 > # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a > # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 > # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 > magill@mcgillsociety.org > magill@acm.org > magill@mac.com > whmagill@gmail.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > 40th and Chestnut also has battery backup on a trickle charge. A whole room full of them. The batterys have a clear [glass] I believe housing, open top, stacked in racks 2 high. Never counted , but there are many of them. 10 years ago I installed and upgraded their AC plant. I have noticed that they have put an addition on since then, but I`m sure the batterys and generator are still there Stewart -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEVpcQsY78jAlxCigRAqn/AKCetGLknNEK3JYEEAmODe+vxLKdWgCeKGHI grtHw6CgQADEU27pr303Y/0= =YUMN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 20:16:24 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 2029 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 00:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 May 2006 00:16:24 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 2017 invoked by uid 107); 2 May 2006 00:16:22 -0000 Received: from [146.145.66.90] (HELO beck.quonix.net) (146.145.66.90) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 20:16:22 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (pool-68-238-239-26.phlapa.east.verizon.net [68.238.239.26]) by beck.quonix.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k420FsVv022707 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <44569712.9080904@verizon.net> References: <741eae780605010738q7b8d46cfl15c3a3ff96a50cb2@mail.gmail.com> <44569712.9080904@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Von Essen Subject: Re: Central Office Emergency Power [WAS Re: [PLUG] Re: FIOS] Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 20:15:56 -0400 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Spamassassin-Score: -1.468/5.8 AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Mimedefang: beck.quonix.net X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 146.145.66.90 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 6374 It goes without saying that in a Katrina-like disaster - you'll be screwed either way. However, its geographical. The mid-atlantic region doesn't suffer from any of the serious major weather anomalies or earthquakes. The only thing to be concerned about would be a very serious winter storm. So 7 days of backup power is probably more than sufficient. I mean what could happen in this area bringing power down for more then a week, excluding a nuclear attack or meteor strike! If we do have a nuclear attack, the last thing on my mind is placing a long distance phone call! So some places might only have 4 hours of battery, and 48 hours of onsite generator fuel. It would be rare to go beyond 48 hours, and if it did it would probably be local to a grid failure in your specific area, in which case you could hire a mobile generator to stop by or a fuel refill. The eventual abandonment of POTS for fiber and pure IP networks will have some trade-offs, the question is, is it worth it. I think so. -john On May 1, 2006, at 7:17 PM, Stewart B Lone wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > William H. Magill wrote: >> On 01 May, 2006, at 10:38, TuskenTower wrote: >>> While reading articles about emergency recovery (after Hurican >>> Katrina), I came across some interesting information about the power >>> capacity of the local central offices that serve telephone lines. >>> Central offices are equipped with battery backups and (maybe) backup >>> generators. During an emergency, without power these COs can last >>> for >>> a some days (I'm hoping some is more than 7 days). >>> >>> Maybe we should be asking for FIOS _and_ POTS (plain old telephone >>> service). >> >> I don't know exact numbers these days for ALL CO's, however primary >> switching centers >> maintained a full set of batteries and standby-generators with 7 day >> fuel supply on site and 15-30 day supply within a 6 hour delivery >> distance. >> [Historically they were 9th and race and 24th and South, but I also >> know that Evergreen (38th and Chestnut) is similarly equipped now.] >> >> The classic POTS system carries 48v DC on the lines - virtually all >> the time. There is, or at least there was, a special number one >> could dial which would allow tapping the battery directly, used >> routinely by field linemen back in the days of Ma Bell for powering >> soldering irons while up on a pole! This 48 volt current is supplied >> by the batteries "in the basement." They are on-line all the time, >> under constant "trickle charge" -- basically a submarine system. In >> the event of a mains outage, a stand-by generator would kick-in and >> spin up within 15 minutes to keep the charge up. (We're talking >> about a stand-by generator here the size of a 40 foot trailer.) >> Historically, 9th and race simply would pull the plug on the Mains >> once a month and run on the Stand-by system for a 4-12 hour period >> as part of "standard operating procedures." >> >> How those systems have evolved over the past 25 years is hard to >> say. Minimally, if one takes Evergereen as an example, the power >> requirements went from powering equipment spread out over 6 floors >> to powering equipment on less than one floor. So, theoretically, the >> generator and tanks they have installed there will last a LOT longer >> than in the past. (Note that the Verizon Mobile operation at 40th >> and Chestnut has a completely separate stand-by generator capacity.) >> >> The real question about Fibre based systems is how is the equipment >> "in the loop" powered. Any kind of repeater, switch or similar >> device in the loop outside the CO needs to be powered. >> >> I know that one can buy 48v DC powered gear from Cisco and other >> vendors. DEC used to sell a 48v powered Alpha (the 1000) which only >> just last year (2005) went off the "able to purchase replacement >> units" list from HP. >> >> One interesting question about FIOS would be -- how does it (if it >> does) qualify for "life-line" service? "Life-line" service is a >> specific tariff with the PUC available to elderly, disabled and >> similarly defined individuals. I don't know the specifics of the >> tariff, and it may be only a "low-cost," not "level of service" >> definition. >> >> T.T.F.N. >> William H. Magill >> # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 >> # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.4.1 >> # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a >> # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 >> # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 >> magill@mcgillsociety.org >> magill@acm.org >> magill@mac.com >> whmagill@gmail.com >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> _____ >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> Announcements - >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> General Discussion -- >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > 40th and Chestnut also has battery backup on a trickle charge. A whole > room full of them. The batterys have a clear [glass] I believe > housing, open top, stacked in racks 2 high. Never counted , but there > are many of them. > 10 years ago I installed and upgraded their AC plant. I have noticed > that they have put an addition on since then, but I`m sure the > batterys and generator are still there > Stewart > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEVpcQsY78jAlxCigRAqn/AKCetGLknNEK3JYEEAmODe+vxLKdWgCeKGHI > grtHw6CgQADEU27pr303Y/0= > =YUMN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 21:17:20 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 8591 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 01:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 May 2006 01:17:20 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 8581 invoked by uid 107); 2 May 2006 01:17:17 -0000 Received: from [64.12.137.8] (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 21:17:17 -0400 Received: from Artclemons@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id b.2d5.6ca7e99 (16110) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 21:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.44.12] (c-69-249-233-52.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [69.249.233.52]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID122-3eee4456b3012af; Mon, 01 May 2006 21:16:52 -0400 Message-ID: <4456B300.9000405@aol.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 21:16:48 -0400 From: Art Clemons User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: Central Office Emergency Power [WAS Re: [PLUG] Re: FIOS] References: <741eae780605010738q7b8d46cfl15c3a3ff96a50cb2@mail.gmail.com> <44569712.9080904@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 69.249.233.52 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 1368 > It goes without saying that in a Katrina-like disaster - you'll be screwed either way. > > However, its geographical. The mid-atlantic region doesn't suffer from any of the serious major weather anomalies or earthquakes. The only thing to be concerned about would be a very serious winter storm. So 7 days of backup power is probably more than sufficient. I mean what could happen in this area bringing power down for more then a week, excluding a nuclear attack or meteor strike! If we do have a nuclear attack, the last thing on my mind is placing a long distance phone call! Let's note that a region wide blackout could happen here and could have happened here the last time Ohio and NY State got taken out. What saved this region was one tech or set of techs doing exactly the right thing, namely isolating this region when failures began popping up. If the same set of events had arisen in let's say Montgomery County, PA, the region would have been dark and in really hot weather, there are folks who need electricity just as much as in the winter. > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon May 1 22:24:43 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 16483 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 02:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 May 2006 02:24:43 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 16471 invoked by uid 107); 2 May 2006 02:24:41 -0000 Received: from [146.145.66.90] (HELO beck.quonix.net) (146.145.66.90) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 22:24:41 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (pool-68-238-239-26.phlapa.east.verizon.net [68.238.239.26]) by beck.quonix.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k422ODUE027342 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 22:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4456B300.9000405@aol.com> References: <741eae780605010738q7b8d46cfl15c3a3ff96a50cb2@mail.gmail.com> <44569712.9080904@verizon.net> <4456B300.9000405@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4e2a4ba7272b9a8c14d9235d83d5ef8c@essenz.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Von Essen Subject: Re: Central Office Emergency Power [WAS Re: [PLUG] Re: FIOS] Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 22:24:15 -0400 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Spamassassin-Score: -1.164/5.8 AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Mimedefang: beck.quonix.net X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 146.145.66.90 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 1995 Exactly my point. The NY-OH blackout only lasted a few days. This idea of needing 15-30 days of backup power (battery/generator) at local CO's is ridiculous for our region. -john On May 1, 2006, at 9:16 PM, Art Clemons wrote: >> It goes without saying that in a Katrina-like disaster - you'll be >> screwed either way. >> >> However, its geographical. The mid-atlantic region doesn't suffer >> from any of the serious major weather anomalies or earthquakes. The >> only thing to be concerned about would be a very serious winter >> storm. So 7 days of backup power is probably more than sufficient. I >> mean what could happen in this area bringing power down for more then >> a week, excluding a nuclear attack or meteor strike! If we do have a >> nuclear attack, the last thing on my mind is placing a long distance >> phone call! > > Let's note that a region wide blackout could happen here and could have > happened here the last time Ohio and NY State got taken out. What > saved > this region was one tech or set of techs doing exactly the right thing, > namely isolating this region when failures began popping up. If the > same set of events had arisen in let's say Montgomery County, PA, the > region would have been dark and in really hot weather, there are folks > who need electricity just as much as in the winter. > >> > _______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue May 2 07:02:01 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 3715 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 11:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 May 2006 11:02:01 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 3705 invoked by uid 107); 2 May 2006 11:01:59 -0000 Received: from [68.46.133.119] (HELO ie-ap.org) (68.46.133.119) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 02 May 2006 07:01:59 -0400 Received: from [164.145.52.188] (tmpnat1.honeywell.com [199.64.0.252]) by ie-ap.org (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k42AqS29011556 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 06:52:29 -0400 Message-ID: <44573C0F.7080506@ie-ap.org> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 07:01:35 -0400 From: Eric Hidle User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" References: <4442BB54.6090507@ie-ap.org> In-Reply-To: <4442BB54.6090507@ie-ap.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] [OT] Sale or Donate: Misc stuff - Major Spring Cleaning X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 1112 Part Deux. I will also happily donate any of this equipment to a non-profit (501(c)(3)) or school, with proper tax letter. E Here's what's left. > > AMD K6/2 (500) Motherboard/CPU > 2PCI and 2ISA Slots -$20 > > Promise SX-4000 Hardware Raid5 card w/ 256MB ECC Cache > Drivers for FC5, 4 ata-133 cables > $75 > > Two 160 GB PATA Hard Disks $40 ea > all disks are 7200rpm 8mb > > Westell DSL Modem > $10 > > SuperPass Large panel antennas for WiFi > 18dBi w/ N connector (2 avail) $40 each > 15dBi w/ N connector (2 avail) $30 each > 120 degree sector antennae w/ N connector (2 avail) $50 each > > I also have piles and piles of 10/100 cards that I'll let go for $2 > each (about 5 or so) > > Items available for pickup in or near Lansdale. Prices are absolutely > negotiable (yes, I will deal). > Eric > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue May 2 12:29:40 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 12678 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 16:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 May 2006 16:29:40 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 12668 invoked by uid 107); 2 May 2006 16:29:38 -0000 Received: from [64.233.162.204] (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.204) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 02 May 2006 12:29:38 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id z31so2717356nzd for ; Tue, 02 May 2006 09:29:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=E7+r19DN1QmPZlDGS4iQGUV74aL1Bwayksqy+Lum4D7RXuR0g14HfZK/7xpDB7JvXy10r+DPxpxyPvZx8jF66C2cX4SX8Gwo3t2Iyzy9RPxtfAeWel0fKu6+4CRUQWioCGGS/s9IS7KEWIjbW7gnERPc9Iulz4zUtFSkrlkc0U8= Received: by 10.64.208.6 with SMTP id f6mr537539qbg; Tue, 02 May 2006 09:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.163.3 with HTTP; Tue, 2 May 2006 09:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6bb38bb80605020929o11363d1bq511cc6506af89473@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 12:29:36 -0400 From: "Michael Lazin" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [PLUG] ibuild X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1942333034==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 2187 --===============1942333034== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33683_33169420.1146587376618" ------=_Part_33683_33169420.1146587376618 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone have experience with ibuild? (http://ibuild.livecd.net/). Can you do an install from an ibuild CD like you can from Ubuntu or Knoppix? I am looking to build an installable debian system with a minimum amount of packages but with some special software and kernel patches. I want to do this the easiest way possible. If ibuild is not the solution, can anyone suggest something? I want to be able to install an identical minimal debia= n install on multiple computers with the kernel patches and extra software. Thanks, Michael ------=_Part_33683_33169420.1146587376618 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone have experience with ibuild? (http://ibuild.livecd.net/).  Can you do an install from an ib= uild CD like you can from Ubuntu or Knoppix?  I am looking to build an= installable debian system with a minimum amount of packages but with some = special software and kernel patches.  I want to do this the easiest wa= y possible.  If ibuild is not the solution, can anyone suggest somethi= ng?  I want to be able to install an identical minimal debian install = on multiple computers with the kernel patches and extra software. =20

Thanks,

Michael
------=_Part_33683_33169420.1146587376618-- --===============1942333034== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1942333034==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue May 2 13:12:23 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 19241 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 17:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 May 2006 17:12:23 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 19229 invoked by uid 107); 2 May 2006 17:12:19 -0000 Received: from [64.233.162.195] (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.195) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 02 May 2006 13:12:19 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s1so2729336nze for ; Tue, 02 May 2006 10:12:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=QQyj78xtRxufRMFvGLZhpdut6tSAt1ck0k3tkjDqGLZryE/qnH7T7QKJuuu0ZYSI5wcnHI6s2HK1oEUl2reDaXoUVyrY3TQXjPZRGgFi3fCkGWupuEVVHXml9ii6qJgT/Dzd5L4BnBZr/hLQfytIPO9QClL2Lfe/RD8Pfhoa8P4= Received: by 10.36.48.5 with SMTP id v5mr1462061nzv; Tue, 02 May 2006 10:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.108.16 with HTTP; Tue, 2 May 2006 10:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74c81dac0605021012j2f86d23ag9473aed6cbbe557a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 13:12:18 -0400 From: "David Colon" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_2098_20611387.1146589938753" X-Google-Sender-Auth: ae78bf379e09c641 Subject: [PLUG] SIG is hiring Linux/Unix Systems Engineers X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcolon@dcolon.org, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Length: 49987 ------=_Part_2098_20611387.1146589938753 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi, The company that I work for, Susquehanna International Group, once again has an opening for a Linux Systems Engineer. I've been here for about eight months and really enjoy working for SIG.=20 Benefits here are great; we get free catered breakfast and lunch every day among other things. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions. If you decide to apply, mention my name and that you saw the posting on PLUG. There are also about 100 other technology related jobs posted on SIG's job site. I'll be at the meeting tomorrow night if anyone wants to chat then. http://www.sig.com/careers/jobs.html David Colon ------=_Part_2098_20611387.1146589938753 Content-Type: application/msword; name=Linux-Systems-Administrator.doc Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_emqhsf54 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Linux-Systems-Administrator.doc" 0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAPwAAAAAAAAAA EAAAQQAAAAEAAAD+////AAAAAEAAAAD///////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////s pcEAA2AJBAAA+BK/AAAAAAAAEAAAAAAABgAAPxAAAA4AYmpiao/qj+oAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAJBBYALhgAAO2AAADtgAAAPwgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD//w8AAAAA AAAAAAD//w8AAAAAAAAAAAD//w8AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKQAAAAAAKQDAAAAAAAApAMAAKQD AAAAAAAApAMAAAAAAACkAwAAAAAAAKQDAAAAAAAApAMAABQAAAAAAAAAAAAAALgDAAAAAAAAAAcA AAAAAAAABwAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAcAAAwAAAAMBwAADAAAALgDAAAAAAAA7g8AAGoBAAAkBwAA AAAAACQHAAAAAAAAJAcAAAAAAAAkBwAAAAAAACQHAAAAAAAAJAcAAAAAAAAkBwAAAAAAACQHAAAA AAAAbQ8AAAIAAABvDwAAAAAAAG8PAAAAAAAAbw8AAAAAAABvDwAAAAAAAG8PAAAAAAAAbw8AACQA AABYEQ