From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 04:42:03 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 5511 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 04:42:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 04:42:03 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 5471 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 04:42:00 -0000 Received: from [216.158.26.254] (HELO mail.mike-leone.com) (216.158.26.254) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:42:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mike-leone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972211C20D for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 00:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mike-leone.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 29176-09 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 00:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.mike-leone.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3766C1C1B6; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 00:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 00:41:12 -0400 From: Mike Leone To: PLUG Message-ID: <20060601044111.GA31513@localhost> Mail-Followup-To: PLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF X-PGP-Key: X-URL: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Libranet 2.7) at mike-leone.com Subject: [PLUG] Confused about using cacview with mutt and mailcap entries X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: turgon@mike-leone.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org So I want to use cacaview, to view jpegs from within mutt, for when I read email over an ssh tunnel. This is using debian testing. So I installed the cacautils package, and verified that cacaview works. (JPGs still look like crap, but I suppose it's better than nothing ...) Anyway, I'm confused about the mailcap entries. I have this, in /etc/mailcap: image/jpeg; /usr/bin/cacaview '%s'; test=test -n "$DISPLAY" but when I try and view an attachment that mutt says is "image/jpeg", mutt tells me "No matching mailcap entry found. Viewing as text". So what am I doing wrong? Mailcap files confuse me. :-) And if anybody knows of a way to view images (JPGs, specifically) in a commad-line terminal that even remotely looks like the image, I'm eager to hear about it. Thanks ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 08:58:26 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 15475 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 08:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 08:58:26 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 15434 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 08:58:23 -0000 Received: from [64.83.1.223] (HELO cavtel.net) (64.83.1.223) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 04:58:23 -0400 Received: from lucii.dnsalias.org (unverified [67.62.105.63]) by cavtel.net (Cavalier email server mail03) with ESMTP id 635963 for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 04:58:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9064 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 09:16:36 -0000 Received: from pc-00002.lucii.dnsalias.org (192.168.1.2) by polaris.lucii.dnsalias.org (192.168.1.254) with ESMTP; 01 Jun 2006 09:16:36 -0000 From: Eric To: PLUG Subject: Re: [PLUG] Confused about using cacview with mutt and mailcap entries Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:58:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <20060601044111.GA31513@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20060601044111.GA31513@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200606010458.45460.eric@lucii.org> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Thursday 01 June 2006 12:41 am, Mike Leone wrote: > So I want to use cacaview, to view jpegs from within mutt, for when I read > email over an ssh tunnel. This is using debian testing. So I installed the > cacautils package, and verified that cacaview works. (JPGs still look like > crap, but I suppose it's better than nothing ...) > > Anyway, I'm confused about the mailcap entries. I have this, in /etc/mailcap: > > image/jpeg; /usr/bin/cacaview '%s'; test=test -n "$DISPLAY" > > but when I try and view an attachment that mutt says is "image/jpeg", mutt > tells me "No matching mailcap entry found. Viewing as text". So what am I > doing wrong? Mailcap files confuse me. :-) > > And if anybody knows of a way to view images (JPGs, specifically) in a > commad-line terminal that even remotely looks like the image, I'm eager to > hear about it. > > Thanks I'm not sure how they did it (it's been years since I used it) but the w3m terminal browser had a way to display images in a terminal that worked amazingly well. Perhaps it's method(s) could be adapted? Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Eric A Lucas # ------------ # "Oh, I have slipped the surly bond of earth # and danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings... # -- John Gillespie Magee Jr. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 10:03:47 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 27730 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 10:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 10:03:47 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 27693 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 10:03:44 -0000 Received: from [82.71.90.98] (HELO mail.lobefin.net) (82.71.90.98) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:03:44 -0400 Received: from lobefin.net ([82.71.90.97] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by mail.lobefin.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1Flk1F-0002J6-Rc for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:03:09 +0100 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Flk1R-0000sN-83 for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:03:21 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:03:21 +0100 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Confused about using cacview with mutt and mailcap entries Message-ID: <20060601100321.GA32231@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <20060601044111.GA31513@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20060601044111.GA31513@localhost> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.8-3-686-smp i686 X-Uptime: 68 days X-Latin: Hodie Kalendis Iuniis MMDCCLIX ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Boomtime, the 6th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3172 X-DDate: Only 2430724 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. 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X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Authenticated-Sender: steve X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.88.2/1504 on mail.lobefin.net; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:03:09 +0100 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1287949173==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1287949173== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 12:41:12AM -0400, Mike Leone said: > Anyway, I'm confused about the mailcap entries. I have this, in /etc/mail= cap: >=20 > image/jpeg; /usr/bin/cacaview '%s'; test=3Dtest -n "$DISPLAY" >=20 > but when I try and view an attachment that mutt says is "image/jpeg", mu= tt > tells me "No matching mailcap entry found. Viewing as text". So what am I > doing wrong? Mailcap files confuse me. :-) When it fails, run the test yourself, 'echo $DISPLAY'. If it's unset, then that line doesn't match. It looks like cacaview wants an X server to display on. I just ssh -X here, and let display do it. It can be tedious if I'm on a slow link, but Iususally just don't bother until I'm on a better one. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | "And I don't like doing silly things | | steve@lobefin.net | (except on purpose)." -- | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | Larry Wall in | | | <1992Jul3.191825.14435@netlabs.com> | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEfrtpSYIMHOpZA44RAjbgAKCXXvYpDaT09TXrs2o0nm7V0xpHNQCfdVij aZDgLh1k9qup7HqyhwaAq0Q= =CUl1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp-- --===============1287949173== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1287949173==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 11:35:14 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 10624 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 11:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 11:35:13 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 10575 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 11:35:07 -0000 Received: from [66.249.82.195] (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.195) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:35:07 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h28so179959wxd for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 04:34:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=eqsA50hvwvPFJMt3MLkTfdaOsZ2t6C7CL0z0M2LTadkSfgNLUpglwNxdJTmFr0HF2d0NpJkjedB7+fNIArDhjBa/VYIQ9ejOtkcCCeC2im9wwE3FlcDwt9n2cL9kr2t5dR3VJMxa62praac+EpGVkF0HGnW7b4CpxROWkCFp3t0= Received: by 10.70.102.11 with SMTP id z11mr564765wxb; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 04:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.92.14 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0400 From: "K.S. Bhaskar" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: c77264cf8bbe2049 Subject: [PLUG] Sources for a Microsoft tax free laptop X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I am in the market for a new laptop. Since it will run Linux, I am looking for one where I don't pay a Microsoft tax for an OS I will not use, and which money will then be spent on spreading FUD about the OS that I will use. The last time I bought one was at a computer show, and I was not very happy with it, although I paid a very good price for what I got. Thanks in advance for any recommendations. Regards -- Bhaskar ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 11:49:27 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 13261 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 11:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 11:49:26 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 13213 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 11:49:21 -0000 Received: from [66.92.55.190] (HELO puddle.purple.com) (66.92.55.190) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:49:21 -0400 Received: from jeff by puddle.purple.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fllfb-0007D3-Sf for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:48:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:48:55 -0400 From: Jeff Abrahamson To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Confused about using cacview with mutt and mailcap entries Message-ID: <20060601114855.GI20369@purple.com> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <20060601044111.GA31513@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20060601044111.GA31513@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0858243039==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0858243039== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF" Content-Disposition: inline --eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 12:41:12AM -0400, Mike Leone wrote: > [23 lines, 147 words, 1084 characters] Top characters: _ianslom >=20 > So I want to use cacaview, to view jpegs from within mutt, for when I read > email over an ssh tunnel. This is using debian testing. So I installed the > cacautils package, and verified that cacaview works. (JPGs still look like > crap, but I suppose it's better than nothing ...) >=20 > Anyway, I'm confused about the mailcap entries. I have this, in /etc/mail= cap: >=20 > image/jpeg; /usr/bin/cacaview '%s'; test=3Dtest -n "$DISPLAY" >=20 > but when I try and view an attachment that mutt says is > "image/jpeg", mutt tells me "No matching mailcap entry > found. Viewing as text". So what am I doing wrong? Mailcap files > confuse me. :-) >=20 > And if anybody knows of a way to view images (JPGs, specifically) in > a commad-line terminal that even remotely looks like the image, I'm > eager to hear about it. I have the following lines in my mailcap file: image/*; eog %s ; test=3D/home/jeff/bin/RunningX image/*; cacaview %s image/*; /usr/bin/identify %s; copiousoutput Note the inverted order of the tests: If X is running, if X is not running, then if it's inline (auto-view'ed). The RunningX script is just this and is surely overkill as a script: #!/bin/sh # Return successfully if X appears to be running (based on DISPLAY) if [ "X$DISPLAY" =3D "X" ]; then # X is not available exit 1 fi # Assume X is available #echo "X appears to be available" exit 0 In my muttrc I have the following: alternative_order text/plain text application/postscript image/* auto_view image/* --=20 Jeff Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B --eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEftQnFr+MTA0drksRAm91AJ9ZV6/t1b6Spsmk71qYmhumo5bVTwCfeINS gmF4W0RE4Yv2NUFTwin380M= =Jl0y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF-- --===============0858243039== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0858243039==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 11:53:39 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 15324 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 11:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 11:53:38 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 15283 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 11:53:34 -0000 Received: from [66.92.55.190] (HELO puddle.purple.com) (66.92.55.190) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:53:34 -0400 Received: from jeff by puddle.purple.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Flljd-0007EH-O8 for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:53:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:53:05 -0400 From: Jeff Abrahamson To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Confused about using cacview with mutt and mailcap entries Message-ID: <20060601115305.GJ20369@purple.com> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <20060601044111.GA31513@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20060601044111.GA31513@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1813044029==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1813044029== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh" Content-Disposition: inline --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 12:41:12AM -0400, Mike Leone wrote: > And if anybody knows of a way to view images (JPGs, specifically) in > a commad-line terminal that even remotely looks like the image, I'm > eager to hear about it. When I'm not running X, the issue is typically bandwidth. Still, if that's not the case for you, you could invoke w3m on an html file that you concoct to display the image inline. It's a short script that you then set to be your non-X viewer. Remember that cacaview lets you zoom. Cacaview rocks if you squint. ;-) --=20 Jeff Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEftUhFr+MTA0drksRAhVUAJsFdTQ5YFWNv1+7VVD82pbanqu0VwCeO0D3 oWXlJMRlVyILe2gdUwQyE0g= =P4w/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh-- --===============1813044029== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1813044029==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 12:07:08 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 18188 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 12:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 12:07:07 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 18147 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 12:07:02 -0000 Received: from [64.233.184.224] (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.224) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:07:02 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 70so259750wra for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 05:06:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=lAIDMKbsqW+ue6lYxfmzHKG3Rd4Ly1qsGavrnJr+ymmTg30oFv9BD1ZFhDR7I28xpxIhrDUSF/VDupRLb1Lk9RgXwKhr27P+GEbc0kW5o53kRqZYKgLPehE6ii7D7vrVQ0BbWwoToTNwTHGj6Y6DAFJf4luTxPBJrlfc8Y/vLQc= Received: by 10.64.76.8 with SMTP id y8mr296604qba; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 05:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [68.81.94.176]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id f15sm509057qba.2006.06.01.05.06.27; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 05:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PLUG] Sources for a Microsoft tax free laptop From: jimjawn To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:06:25 -0400 Message-Id: <1149163585.5240.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0271384210==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0271384210== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-vCg8J6PlDlbo4BGveZCm" --=-vCg8J6PlDlbo4BGveZCm Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Build one yourself. That's what I did. Depending on your budget and your wishes, you can put together an even better laptop for less than you'd pay for a compaq or gateway. I used ewiz.com and pretty much bought everything there for my MSI-1032 and I've never been happier. Everything component is covered with at least a one year warranty. Google for barebones laptops or check out pricegrabber.com. Jim On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 07:34 -0400, K.S. Bhaskar wrote: > I am in the market for a new laptop. Since it will run Linux, I am > looking for one where I don't pay a Microsoft tax for an OS I will not > use, and which money will then be spent on spreading FUD about the OS > that I will use. The last time I bought one was at a computer show, > and I was not very happy with it, although I paid a very good price > for what I got. Thanks in advance for any recommendations. - > Regards > -- Bhaskar > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --=-vCg8J6PlDlbo4BGveZCm Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Build one yourself.  That's what I did.  Depending on your budget and your wishes, you can put together an even better laptop for less than you'd pay for a compaq or gateway. 

I used ewiz.com and pretty much bought everything there for my MSI-1032 and I've never been happier.  Everything component is covered with at least a one year warranty.

Google for barebones laptops or check out pricegrabber.com.

Jim

On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 07:34 -0400, K.S. Bhaskar wrote: 
I am in the market for a new laptop.  Since it will run Linux, I am
looking for one where I don't pay a Microsoft tax for an OS I will not
use, and which money will then be spent on spreading FUD about the OS
that I will use.  The last time I bought one was at a computer show,
and I was not very happy with it, although I paid a very good price
for what I got.  Thanks in advance for any recommendations.

-

Regards
-- Bhaskar
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That's what I did. Depending on your budget and > your wishes, you can put together an even better laptop for less than > you'd pay for a compaq or gateway.=20 > > I used ewiz.com and pretty much bought everything there for my > MSI-1032 > and > I've never been happier. Everything component is covered with at > least a one year warranty. > > Google for barebones laptops or check out pricegrabber.com. > > Jim > If you don't mind me asking, what does it end up costing to do this? I found a barebones MSI-1032 for about $600. I also found a bunch that are "fully loaded." The fully loaded ones were too expensive. They cost as much as I paid for my new Dell and I got dual core, a higher resolution screen, more memory, a 7200 RPM hard drive, and 3 year on site service. I understand not wanting to send any cash towards Microsoft, though. I just can't see spending that much more money to do it. Pat --------------enig6DAF788A9193B5B8CEC69A09 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEfuGW5xI+FcVJCrERAlDBAKDGxxxRV42ni/cdR/Qh/M9XWcDCDwCfdbJA ggU/Y7xPHZJjS5IARhrJTrk= =g535 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6DAF788A9193B5B8CEC69A09-- --===============0250457931== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0250457931==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 13:18:12 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 1292 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 13:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 13:18:12 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 1257 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 13:18:08 -0000 Received: from [64.233.184.227] (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.227) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:18:07 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 36so304644wra for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:16:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mkXXoomOzaY3B6QaV3cawrhLgtE8n7I+dBZ8dIUeNwDTZ1eKcxGsPATk949K1rLYfFMWfrjY/K6qDG2hKFN1IYBk0ZBydTeaZm19lmZBYcNKgMY71INZhes7kMRgSDxO6962B+uteiN1VSXmo+511oUHpsBjmRD9o22MSCiyzF8= Received: by 10.54.95.11 with SMTP id s11mr646949wrb; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.4 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <741eae780606010616h65bd9d2dva22a19672294df40@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:16:08 -0400 From: TuskenTower To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Sources for a Microsoft tax free laptop In-Reply-To: <447EE18F.3050307@patshead.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1149163585.5240.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <447EE18F.3050307@patshead.com> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On 6/1/06, Pat Regan wrote: > jimjawn wrote: > > Build one yourself. That's what I did. Depending on your budget and > > your wishes, you can put together an even better laptop for less than > > you'd pay for a compaq or gateway. > > > > I used ewiz.com and pretty much bought everything there for my > > MSI-1032 > > and > > I've never been happier. Everything component is covered with at > > least a one year warranty. > > > > Google for barebones laptops or check out pricegrabber.com. > > > > Jim > > > > If you don't mind me asking, what does it end up costing to do this? I > found a barebones MSI-1032 for about $600. I also found a bunch that > are "fully loaded." The fully loaded ones were too expensive. They > cost as much as I paid for my new Dell and I got dual core, a higher > resolution screen, more memory, a 7200 RPM hard drive, and 3 year on > site service. > > I understand not wanting to send any cash towards Microsoft, though. I > just can't see spending that much more money to do it. > > Pat Apple hardware does not have an MS tax. The hardware is expensive, but worth it. I recommend the $1299 MacBook or an old iBook. HTH Amul ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 13:31:17 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 4284 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 13:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 13:31:16 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 4239 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 13:31:10 -0000 Received: from [64.233.184.233] (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.233) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:31:10 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 70so277419wra for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:30:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=C/0+dmziEyO4skdYaKGkeWHzDr5jGp5dAfJRr3xk+x899c5dJ2HLvwfwgLWzdK7tWkci77abviXmTDHJx+WzaUWAdMPdZ6efeCZ9lAgPgIrxcu5WEQs1qJRhAi4Jw/Sb5ZMinGAY3jqVn/JtwNMTznFshsmGpL4PNj9ZykvuwPw= Received: by 10.65.155.20 with SMTP id h20mr345673qbo; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [68.81.94.176]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id f12sm527685qba.2006.06.01.06.30.08; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PLUG] Sources for a Microsoft tax free laptop From: jimjawn To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <447EE18F.3050307@patshead.com> References: <1149163585.5240.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <447EE18F.3050307@patshead.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:30:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1149168606.5240.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2072372633==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============2072372633== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-lB5ftmJBEoDSPxousDLh" --=-lB5ftmJBEoDSPxousDLh Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1 Intel WM3B2915ABGNAX PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection INT-2915R $29.87 1 STT D400 SODIMM 1G/64x8 Micron Chip Notebook Memory D400SB1G_M $108.15 1 Intel Pentium M 755 2.0GHz 400MHz 2MB CPU,Retail MPM-755BX $300.76 1 Toshiba 100GB (MK1032GAX) 5400rpm 16MB Notebook Hard Drive (2.5 inch) DMTO1032X $159.65 1 [FR] Super Talent MS-1032 15.4 inch WXGA Glare WXGA W/DVD-RW Notebook Barebone Computer NB-32-DVB $735.00 The total comes to $1333.43 and doesn't include shipping. I got this laptop because of the 128MB video card and I wanted to be able to play Quake 4, which it does pretty well. Thus far my only complaint is that Ubuntu doesn't support the flash-media card (which is fine) and it doesn't have blue tooth, but I got an adapter for like $16 dollars. Battery life is okay, but I keep it plugged in most of the time anyway. Some of my favorite things about this laptop are nearly no noise, its suprisingly light and I'm diggin the keyboard. Its fullsize and the keys and layout rock. Hope that helps. Check out some of the other models over at asus and ewiz if you're still interested. Jim On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 08:46 -0400, Pat Regan wrote: > jimjawn wrote: > > Build one yourself. That's what I did. Depending on your budget and > > your wishes, you can put together an even better laptop for less than > > you'd pay for a compaq or gateway. > > > > I used ewiz.com and pretty much bought everything there for my > > MSI-1032 > > and > > I've never been happier. Everything component is covered with at > > least a one year warranty. > > > > Google for barebones laptops or check out pricegrabber.com. > > > > Jim > > > > If you don't mind me asking, what does it end up costing to do this? I > found a barebones MSI-1032 for about $600. I also found a bunch that > are "fully loaded." The fully loaded ones were too expensive. They > cost as much as I paid for my new Dell and I got dual core, a higher > resolution screen, more memory, a 7200 RPM hard drive, and 3 year on > site service. > > I understand not wanting to send any cash towards Microsoft, though. I > just can't see spending that much more money to do it. > > Pat > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --=-lB5ftmJBEoDSPxousDLh Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1 Intel WM3B2915ABGNAX PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection INT-2915R $29.87
1 STT D400 SODIMM 1G/64x8 Micron Chip Notebook Memory D400SB1G_M $108.15
1 Intel Pentium M 755 2.0GHz 400MHz 2MB CPU,Retail MPM-755BX $300.76
1 Toshiba 100GB (MK1032GAX) 5400rpm 16MB Notebook Hard Drive (2.5 inch) DMTO1032X $159.65
1 [FR] Super Talent MS-1032 15.4 inch WXGA Glare WXGA W/DVD-RW Notebook Barebone Computer NB-32-DVB $735.00

The total comes to $1333.43 and doesn't include shipping.  I got this laptop because of the 128MB video card and I wanted to be able to play Quake 4, which it does pretty well.  Thus far my only complaint is that Ubuntu doesn't support the flash-media card (which is fine) and it doesn't have blue tooth, but I got an adapter for like $16 dollars.  Battery life is okay, but I keep it plugged in most of the time anyway.  Some of my favorite things about this laptop are nearly no noise, its suprisingly light and I'm diggin the keyboard.  Its fullsize and the keys and layout rock. 

Hope that helps.  Check out some of the other models over at asus and ewiz if you're still interested.

Jim

On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 08:46 -0400, Pat Regan wrote: 
jimjawn wrote:
> Build one yourself.  That's what I did.  Depending on your budget and
> your wishes, you can put together an even better laptop for less than
> you'd pay for a compaq or gateway. 
>
> I used ewiz.com and pretty much bought everything there for my
> MSI-1032
> <http://www.msicomputer.com/NB/product_spec.asp?model=MS-1032> and
> I've never been happier.  Everything component is covered with at
> least a one year warranty.
>
> Google for barebones laptops or check out pricegrabber.com.
>
> Jim
>

If you don't mind me asking, what does it end up costing to do this?  I
found a barebones MSI-1032 for about $600.  I also found a bunch that
are "fully loaded."  The fully loaded ones were too expensive.  They
cost as much as I paid for my new Dell and I got dual core, a higher
resolution screen, more memory, a 7200 RPM hard drive, and 3 year on
site service.

I understand not wanting to send any cash towards Microsoft, though.  I
just can't see spending that much more money to do it.

Pat

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--=-lB5ftmJBEoDSPxousDLh-- --===============2072372633== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============2072372633==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 13:34:06 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 5244 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 13:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 13:34:05 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 5202 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 13:33:58 -0000 Received: from [66.92.235.170] (HELO stout.gradientsolutions.net) (66.92.235.170) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:33:58 -0400 Received: from sativa.seanius.net (sativa.yale-house.net [10.0.0.113]) by stout.gradientsolutions.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F0D1B9EA for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sativa.seanius.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D2ACDB80D; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:32:58 -0400 From: sean finney To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Sources for a Microsoft tax free laptop Message-ID: <20060601133258.GA22146@seanius.net> References: <1149163585.5240.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <447EE18F.3050307@patshead.com> <741eae780606010616h65bd9d2dva22a19672294df40@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <741eae780606010616h65bd9d2dva22a19672294df40@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060126 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1558690640==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1558690640== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ibTvN161/egqYuK8" Content-Disposition: inline --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 07:34:39AM -0400, K.S. Bhaskar wrote: > I am in the market for a new laptop. Since it will run Linux, I am > looking for one where I don't pay a Microsoft tax for an OS I will not > use, and which money will then be spent on spreading FUD about the OS > that I will use. The last time I bought one was at a computer show, > and I was not very happy with it, although I paid a very good price > for what I got. Thanks in advance for any recommendations. if you don't mind not having the cutting edge of laptops on the market, you can usually get a good deal on refurbished laptops. they're often much cheaper yet often come with the same standard warranty as a new one (don't buy them otherwise). On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 09:16:08AM -0400, TuskenTower wrote: > Apple hardware does not have an MS tax. The hardware is expensive, > but worth it. I recommend the $1299 MacBook or an old iBook. that's like saying "in sweden you don't have to pay the US taxes". sean --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEfuyKynjLPm522B0RAhUHAJ9kPb1hHUfX9asAPl20kBfw8WuPOACff/6q gS5oW87lQs890T4XDyL7LTc= =SJiK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ibTvN161/egqYuK8-- --===============1558690640== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1558690640==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 13:43:53 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 7512 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 13:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 13:43:52 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 7482 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 13:43:48 -0000 Received: from [12.35.245.252] (HELO stamp.slackinc.com) (12.35.245.252) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:43:48 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [PLUG] voip... Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:42:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PLUG] voip... Thread-Index: AcaFCCep50jLu7lARnqnP/6kysPqagAeIvyQ From: "George Gallen" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org well, I bought the voip box last night, also bought a wireless gaming = interface (or rather a WAP) so I could situate the voip box where I wanted it, = instead of where my router is. So far it sounds fairly clean, havn't given up my landline yet. I'll = give it a couple months. For now it's just one phone hooked up (I call it the bat = phone). Anyone have any cons on vonage/voip? (aside from pricing issues - which = for me won't be a problem, as it's 1/3 of my current phone service with no loss = in service abilities, at least I don't think any loss). George > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > [mailto:plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org]On Behalf Of Lee Marzke > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:14 PM > To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List > Subject: Re: [PLUG] voip... >=20 >=20 > If you bought it from the provider, it's generally locked to the=20 > provider. It's not > a standards issue, but vendor lock-in. Did you get the=20 > passwords for=20 > the box ? >=20 > I've heard you can buy the same box unlocked from Linksys,=20 > but I think=20 > you have > to register as a telcom installer. >=20 > Lee Marzke >=20 >=20 > George Gallen wrote: > > I did a quick check, it's only two wires to disconnect at the box. > > I'll have to give it a shot. > > > > Does anyone know if the linksys voip box works with any other server > > besides vonage? Is the voip a standard yet? > > > > =20 ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 13:51:12 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 9290 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 13:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 13:51:12 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 9258 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 13:51:08 -0000 Received: from [64.233.182.188] (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.188) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:51:08 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l24so488732nfc for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:51:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=n5p45flGMwAxTUltQZPqNPC1iS46BY63w58oB9LZ4QlRQ08D0v1WzvzqE4RkdwkTWF3/7G+EDmlkD+SQOyi9cg08M4jhZgQFFarLC8+vRw03ni5T7xGk8/pE9XYvGOoTqoYTzAPmpDLa7CdOGa8Zmd+FAuNlL9MrYM68HH5Hqok= Received: by 10.48.243.8 with SMTP id q8mr813011nfh; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.97.13 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <30997e380606010649i521e78b2y5d129d1a65e6bffd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:49:20 -0400 From: "Joshua Karstendick" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] voip... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I've heard that VoIP calls to 911 don't always work the same as they would on landlines. For example, here's Vonage's statement on it: http://vonage.com/features.php?feature=911 There was a story on Slashdot a few months ago that Vonage put a 911 caller on hold: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/23/2312248 I have no personal experiences with VoIP to share, but that sounds at least a little troubling to me. On 6/1/06, George Gallen wrote: > well, I bought the voip box last night, also bought a wireless gaming interface > (or rather a WAP) so I could situate the voip box where I wanted it, instead of > where my router is. > > So far it sounds fairly clean, havn't given up my landline yet. I'll give it a > couple months. For now it's just one phone hooked up (I call it the bat phone). > > Anyone have any cons on vonage/voip? (aside from pricing issues - which for me > won't be a problem, as it's 1/3 of my current phone service with no loss in > service abilities, at least I don't think any loss). > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > > [mailto:plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org]On Behalf Of Lee Marzke > > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:14 PM > > To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] voip... > > > > > > If you bought it from the provider, it's generally locked to the > > provider. It's not > > a standards issue, but vendor lock-in. Did you get the > > passwords for > > the box ? > > > > I've heard you can buy the same box unlocked from Linksys, > > but I think > > you have > > to register as a telcom installer. > > > > Lee Marzke > > > > > > George Gallen wrote: > > > I did a quick check, it's only two wires to disconnect at the box. > > > I'll have to give it a shot. > > > > > > Does anyone know if the linksys voip box works with any other server > > > besides vonage? Is the voip a standard yet? > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Joshua Karstendick ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 14:01:13 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 12279 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 14:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 14:01:11 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 12238 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 14:01:08 -0000 Received: from [209.73.179.140] (HELO smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.140) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:01:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 27466 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 14:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.65?) (art.alexion@verizon.net@151.197.184.252 with plain) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 14:00:41 -0000 From: Art Alexion To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] firewall detection Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:00:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605301135.11016.art.alexion@verizon.net> <447C9510.6040604@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <447C9510.6040604@comcast.net> X-Face: (bP:h+dRW\UQ?yvMHu.P.yiTwg_9h$[F, t, b|0nj-#LNTplvd$9zmLf/1lD|H, =?utf-8?q?b=7C4*I118=0A=09=26sZL*ihxAjI-=26KwxaA=5CWG=26E!=23CI=5E?=@fF+&:>rS1}C(r7Izfdg$*Wb$9\6vw1L[%(i\"=?utf-8?q?xRB3=0A=09b=2Ep+W16=3F!i=5F?=(XYq>@jvtq"QKYJ9G8EQqVxnw@{Q]L)QLtM7aPy{H=?utf-8?q?M=0A=09=2E=2E6O8lJs?=>?OalracA=Y!$Y{4q':r%t$ft+)=?utf-8?q?=7CB=3FF=5BJzCf=0A=09nXyAp-O5=7EG=23y72mJ8=5E2HP2D7o=26/O=25oD?=(G}Fpv>Qh MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200606011000.39838.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: art.alexion@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0197973295==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0197973295== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3612022.4eD8bfo9VZ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart3612022.4eD8bfo9VZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You were right, it was a router NAT problem. Figuring out how to fix it wa= s=20 another problem. On its web site Actiontec lists issues that it charges it= s=20 customers to support. NAT issues are among them. Like safety razors and i= nk=20 jet printers, the support here costs more than the product. I don't have a= =20 problem paying to talk to a person about a documented function that I could= =20 have researched myself, but instead of documentation on a list of issues,=20 Actiontec just lists them as pay-per-question info. I called Verizon who sold me the router/modem, and after educating the tech= on=20 what ports are, she put me on hold for 5 minutes and came back to tell me=20 that they don't consider port blocking a connection issue and therefore don= 't=20 support it. She offered to transfer me to Actiontec. The Actiontec queue,= =20 detected that I was coming from Verizon and directed me to call Verizon for= =20 support before disconnecting me. =46inally after choosing every link on the Actiontec http configuration=20 interface, I found a place to unblock ports. I also learned that the route= r=20 treats NAT and firewalls separately and that turning off the firewall does= =20 not affect NAT. On Tuesday 30 May 2006 14:55, gyoza@comcast.net wrote: > Could it just be that port 6331 is no longer being forwarded by the new > router? > > Art Alexion wrote: > > Some firewall is blocking port 6331. My router's firewall is supposed = to > > be off, but the port was not blocked before installing the router. > > > > Is there a way to detect which firewall is blocking the port? =2D-=20 _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for=20 alarm. Info @=20 http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ --nextPart3612022.4eD8bfo9VZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUARH7zB0LG/oYII0YuAQJzvwP+PMalWOJKWxM2EBlIQkNbI6cDsg6ywenm c/bt8zR/ef15WTrSvnqxZNc24D0oDGjHEPtCXodnsh9vTLF7C06Yy/JhUk6/0VGw C3fptSkXgaKWbfoBZ3f5mg7DR7HX2bImO+twFQMU5ZdtGlmMXE475QD2AFjw5hFP 9bXdDpH5gTY= =bClz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3612022.4eD8bfo9VZ-- --===============0197973295== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0197973295==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 14:07:27 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 13780 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 14:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 14:07:26 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 13742 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 14:07:22 -0000 Received: from [209.73.179.139] (HELO smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.139) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:07:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 54539 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 14:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.65?) (art.alexion@verizon.net@151.197.184.252 with plain) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 14:06:48 -0000 From: Art Alexion To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] voip... Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:06:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060531114723.C2005@beck.quonix.net> <447E215E.6080108@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <447E215E.6080108@comcast.net> X-Face: (bP:h+dRW\UQ?yvMHu.P.yiTwg_9h$[F, t, b|0nj-#LNTplvd$9zmLf/1lD|H, =?utf-8?q?b=7C4*I118=0A=09=26sZL*ihxAjI-=26KwxaA=5CWG=26E!=23CI=5E?=@fF+&:>rS1}C(r7Izfdg$*Wb$9\6vw1L[%(i\"=?utf-8?q?xRB3=0A=09b=2Ep+W16=3F!i=5F?=(XYq>@jvtq"QKYJ9G8EQqVxnw@{Q]L)QLtM7aPy{H=?utf-8?q?M=0A=09=2E=2E6O8lJs?=>?OalracA=Y!$Y{4q':r%t$ft+)=?utf-8?q?=7CB=3FF=5BJzCf=0A=09nXyAp-O5=7EG=23y72mJ8=5E2HP2D7o=26/O=25oD?=(G}Fpv>Qh MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200606011006.46343.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: art.alexion@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0650794997==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0650794997== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3274296.tadke1BjVs"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart3274296.tadke1BjVs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 31 May 2006 19:06, gyoza@comcast.net wrote: > Does a typical phone cable have two pairs? =A0Use one for VoIP and one for > DSL. =A0Just short one pair at the demark. AFAIR, on normal phone service, only 2 wires are needed for a single line, = 4=20 wires for multi-line phones. =2D-=20 _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for=20 alarm. Info @=20 http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ --nextPart3274296.tadke1BjVs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUARH70dkLG/oYII0YuAQLbxgP8CZH47UCkzGroNpGIJDXYBPiAKJ7TckNg s0RLCoFAYRB5x0eRUIsKCLFkBB6Rgh80/8Y5XHWdI9HhuXYMdRHxQb6KChBUMfgI j+zTfhd+v/D3xGgyO8wa7zKPe4Snkwzc4OH2cTjaZtEsKt6m7sMZnV5cooO2WjPK iOzrzmOnFcI= =wt5/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3274296.tadke1BjVs-- --===============0650794997== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0650794997==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 14:07:47 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 13913 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 14:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 14:07:38 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 13862 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 14:07:33 -0000 Received: from [12.35.245.252] (HELO stamp.slackinc.com) (12.35.245.252) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:07:33 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [PLUG] voip... Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:06:52 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PLUG] voip... 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http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0706640208==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 14:14:32 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 15890 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 14:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 14:14:32 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 15852 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 14:14:28 -0000 Received: from [66.249.82.195] (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.195) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:14:28 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h28so202938wxd for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:13:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VN4zethOzEpRTJy8rQQCGHYa1xAFvib0w5ZPGiqdj0WxPotEm/uqr2q6oVKcCKxtYdnmJFqR2kp7zayb//MBEH28+7pUGow4gpeYEBAmrwNNR09LbR2/6TDqd5wD3LL5KScoRyQULwNCJ7yQ88VxRPbwuYw+xsrgTJPaEjPH3kg= Received: by 10.70.27.12 with SMTP id a12mr746276wxa; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.54.3 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <367e1abe0606010713k7aa5d513q9c73567fb0cff957@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:13:38 -0400 From: "Douglas Muth" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] voip... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On 6/1/06, George Gallen wrote: > in the larger cities, I believe the 911 is forwarded to the local 911 center, > and it forwards your name and address along with the call, so they know who > you are. Only problem is that is a tough one to test out...Eh, Hello? no no > emergency, just testing my internet phone's 911 system. Don't think that would > go over very kindly. > Actually, it seems that that people have been testing their 911 system and (from the psots I read), the 911 Dispatchers didn't seem to have any issues with it. Here's the thread I found on that topic: http://www.vonage-forum.com/ftopic3841.html -- Doug ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 14:28:44 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 19083 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 14:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 14:28:44 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 19047 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 14:28:40 -0000 Received: from [66.249.82.200] (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.200) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:28:40 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h28so205259wxd for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:27:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=QeZIrdT8lvy/Z73WVmBeQ+H5pIgcA4NQkQ3RmzzE0IDOawAuDYF5Sh340ozOdLyJBT/3+fbJ/2XyvwtQ7MirnhrAI1ikj70U5Xr1HEeBLJ1WvltZV1QdXcaD/FzqLNQMg72mmFR+S/wYaFhRjSTQVRUfGVbEeptsROmueLPCkeM= Received: by 10.70.117.16 with SMTP id p16mr770934wxc; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.94.18 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:27:49 -0400 From: "K.S. Bhaskar" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Sources for a Microsoft tax free laptop In-Reply-To: <741eae780606010616h65bd9d2dva22a19672294df40@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1149163585.5240.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <447EE18F.3050307@patshead.com> <741eae780606010616h65bd9d2dva22a19672294df40@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8b712fed94839168 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thanks, all and especially Jim, for the suggestions. I'll provide feedback on what I do. Even with a warranty, I am a little leery about buying a refurbished machine, after seeing the way some of my colleagues treat their laptops. As for a Mac, while it is not as bad as sending money to M$ for something I won't use, I would be sending money to Apple for something I won't use. I want the freedom of a FOSS stack, which OS X is not, so I would end up running GNU/Linux (or maybe FreeBSD) on it. -- Bhaskar ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 14:35:06 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 20860 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 14:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 14:35:06 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 20816 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 14:35:01 -0000 Received: from [66.249.82.196] (HELO wx-out-0102.google.com) (66.249.82.196) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:35:01 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h28so206277wxd for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:34:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=goFLOsIzUeQ8zhjBjlulPNuy7+Jkp743DDm7PC5d+yRhypIAqUQY3LKJOju5+byY84i+5j+tfzcazK0uicxytW4ggFx5J0wulxC6+HD4CPsON5Fv35r33j+Xr7N6rrSLbimyRmGfsXJCOstj+OeNcGeIuuYAL3fIsfm2A0rK8Dg= Received: by 10.70.71.12 with SMTP id t12mr820860wxa; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.94.18 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:34:09 -0400 From: "K.S. Bhaskar" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] voip... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 473b9b053604c66e X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org George -- I have been using Vonage since December. It works. Voice quality is mostly OK, but sometimes not. Calls get dropped more frequently than with a landline. Rumors are that Comcast delays Vonage IP packets, but I have no substantiation of that. We supposedly have 911 coverage in our area. Overall, Vomage works well enough at a lower price point compared to the landline it replaced that we will stay with it. We kept the old phone number and the transition was smooth and seamless. But make sure it's not your only phone - in my family, we each have a cell phone, so not having a landline for emergencies is probably OK. -- Bhaskar On 6/1/06, George Gallen wrote: > well, I bought the voip box last night, also bought a wireless gaming interface > (or rather a WAP) so I could situate the voip box where I wanted it, instead of > where my router is. > > So far it sounds fairly clean, havn't given up my landline yet. I'll give it a > couple months. For now it's just one phone hooked up (I call it the bat phone). > > Anyone have any cons on vonage/voip? (aside from pricing issues - which for me > won't be a problem, as it's 1/3 of my current phone service with no loss in > service abilities, at least I don't think any loss). > > George ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 14:35:45 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21199 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 14:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 14:35:41 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21139 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 14:35:32 -0000 Received: from [64.233.184.224] (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.224) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:35:32 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 70so292257wra for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:34:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=cHEwcxYh4+/Cq8z6lQ3X0+TxfKIxevUSzz4C5HDaTD8PmvwUoKu3A439yrril+zGTJzl1zcmtDuOMxxlISz7s2jsqNcy3t+IrDSFC1Qy6eBAFYKbRNMBFwQ9iSUjXfdxN+/qsbLvAQeKLtccPJ6z+xnapiWqfZ7wHfLjEnmfwwI= Received: by 10.65.219.7 with SMTP id w7mr473888qbq; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.176.7 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74e15baa0606010734v1af564aema8396d195b0afb6f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:34:43 -0400 From: "Aaron Mulder" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Sources for a Microsoft tax free laptop In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 079994e3481dac75 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org There's always http://www.emperorlinux.com/ On 6/1/06, K.S. Bhaskar wrote: > I am in the market for a new laptop. Since it will run Linux, I am > looking for one where I don't pay a Microsoft tax for an OS I will not > use, and which money will then be spent on spreading FUD about the OS > that I will use. The last time I bought one was at a computer show, > and I was not very happy with it, although I paid a very good price > for what I got. Thanks in advance for any recommendations. > > Regards > -- Bhaskar > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 14:38:19 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 22301 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 14:38:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 14:38:13 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 22243 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 14:38:07 -0000 Received: from [209.73.179.140] (HELO smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.140) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:38:07 -0400 Received: (qmail 59519 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 14:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.65?) (art.alexion@verizon.net@151.197.184.252 with plain) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 14:37:06 -0000 From: Art Alexion To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] linux compatible MP3 players? Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:36:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <29034906.2401149117604734.JavaMail.root@mail.acetechgroup.com> <20060531233155.GC1425@www.lobefin.net> In-Reply-To: <20060531233155.GC1425@www.lobefin.net> X-Face: (bP:h+dRW\UQ?yvMHu.P.yiTwg_9h$[F, t, b|0nj-#LNTplvd$9zmLf/1lD|H, =?utf-8?q?b=7C4*I118=0A=09=26sZL*ihxAjI-=26KwxaA=5CWG=26E!=23CI=5E?=@fF+&:>rS1}C(r7Izfdg$*Wb$9\6vw1L[%(i\"=?utf-8?q?xRB3=0A=09b=2Ep+W16=3F!i=5F?=(XYq>@jvtq"QKYJ9G8EQqVxnw@{Q]L)QLtM7aPy{H=?utf-8?q?M=0A=09=2E=2E6O8lJs?=>?OalracA=Y!$Y{4q':r%t$ft+)=?utf-8?q?=7CB=3FF=5BJzCf=0A=09nXyAp-O5=7EG=23y72mJ8=5E2HP2D7o=26/O=25oD?=(G}Fpv>Qh MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200606011036.59964.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: art.alexion@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1923484616==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1923484616== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2118180.JQOYqpAiGQ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart2118180.JQOYqpAiGQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 31 May 2006 19:31, Stephen Gran wrote: > On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 07:20:04PM -0400, W. Chris Shank said: > > I'm considering getting an MP3 player. Is the iPod Linux compatible at > > all? Is there another MP3 player that is Linux compatible? I guess by > > compatible, I mean that I can create playlists and upload them and > > songs to it. I suspect I'm the only one who doesn't have one of these > > yet - so I hope others here can tell me about their experiences. > > The iPod is certainly linux compatible - gtkpod does a very nice job as > an interface. Many ogf the other mp3 players can jsut be mouonted as > usb mass storage, and you can copy file on or off as you need to. I have a shuffle which has but 9 hours storage (512 MB). I have used gtkpo= d=20 and amarok. Both work fine. Amarok has a nice drag and drop interface and= =20 its a great player, but for the limited-space shuffle it never warns you=20 about running out of space before error-ing out during a transfer. gtkpod is a better transfer program, but inferior at music playing and=20 management. =20 I would not recommend using both with the same iPod as it seems to mess up= =20 indexes and stuff on the device. Right now, I am using iTunes over samba=20 because it manages the shuffle better than the Linux offerings. iTunes is= =20 weaker than AmaroK, though in that it doesn't automatically update the=20 Library when you add tunes to defined directories like Amarok does. (iTune= s=20 likes to think of itself as your only source for music so it assumes that y= ou=20 will use it to download and rip rather than just getting the files elsewher= e=20 and using iTunes as a device manager only.) I'd like to create an iTunes=20 vmware thing so that I don't have to leave the Linux computer. =2D-=20 _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for=20 alarm. Info @=20 http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ --nextPart2118180.JQOYqpAiGQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUARH77i0LG/oYII0YuAQJAPwP/VfSokN+fXHmQ+u65rN8K6+vMKGOjMRLB M1y5H3LSAY8B1sFpxJgWmmTp8zmp+wrPfjIABY0aQSvJA5B8C3GXK1/nFNiXI3/J cKB8pSsDwU3p6NFbwNf0D3aqDQQhEZSiBPLoiX61JUf/sOBe12DlxAzMH1x+/Xyx wh4I//keBFE= =1ZGt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2118180.JQOYqpAiGQ-- --===============1923484616== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1923484616==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 14:44:09 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 23909 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 14:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 14:44:08 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 23871 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 14:44:02 -0000 Received: from [12.35.245.252] (HELO stamp.slackinc.com) (12.35.245.252) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:44:02 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [PLUG] voip... Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:43:09 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PLUG] voip... Thread-Index: AcaFiNUVC2r0+Rz1T5qq0ZPfJW+rCgAAFDDw From: "George Gallen" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org thanks, yes power failures and cable failures I would guess would be a = problem. but we a couple cell phones as well. Now that comcast is getting into the voip business, if it were = determined that they were delaying Vonage packets, I would think that might be = illegal. My only concern would be since I'm using the voip box wirelessly to the = router, what happens to the calls when the wireless signal drops for a few = seconds. On my PC, the wireless signal will just disconnect, then reconnect again = in=20 a couple of seconds every now and again. George > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > [mailto:plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org]On Behalf Of K.S. Bhaskar > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:34 AM > To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List > Subject: Re: [PLUG] voip... >=20 >=20 > George -- >=20 > I have been using Vonage since December. It works. Voice quality is > mostly OK, but sometimes not. Calls get dropped more frequently than > with a landline. Rumors are that Comcast delays Vonage IP packets, > but I have no substantiation of that. We supposedly have 911 coverage > in our area. Overall, Vomage works well enough at a lower price point > compared to the landline it replaced that we will stay with it. We > kept the old phone number and the transition was smooth and seamless. > But make sure it's not your only phone - in my family, we each have a > cell phone, so not having a landline for emergencies is probably OK. >=20 > -- Bhaskar >=20 > On 6/1/06, George Gallen wrote: > > well, I bought the voip box last night, also bought a=20 > wireless gaming interface > > (or rather a WAP) so I could situate the voip box where I=20 > wanted it, instead of > > where my router is. > > > > So far it sounds fairly clean, havn't given up my landline=20 > yet. I'll give it a > > couple months. For now it's just one phone hooked up (I=20 > call it the bat phone). > > > > Anyone have any cons on vonage/voip? (aside from pricing=20 > issues - which for me > > won't be a problem, as it's 1/3 of my current phone service=20 > with no loss in > > service abilities, at least I don't think any loss). > > > > George > ______________________________________________________________ > _____________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- =20 http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - = http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- = http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 15:08:43 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 30350 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 15:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 15:08:42 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 30316 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 15:08:38 -0000 Received: from [64.191.55.69] (HELO logkeeper.com) (64.191.55.69) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:08:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by logkeeper.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09EF20383 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from logkeeper.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ivoss [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23241-09 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.15.100] (unknown [71.225.182.66]) by logkeeper.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B94820356 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PLUG] Sources for a Microsoft tax free laptop From: Alex Valentine To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <741eae780606010616h65bd9d2dva22a19672294df40@mail.gmail.com> References: <1149163585.5240.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <447EE18F.3050307@patshead.com> <741eae780606010616h65bd9d2dva22a19672294df40@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:06:28 -0400 Message-Id: <1149174388.15118.18.camel@w00f.hsd1.pa.comcast.net.> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at logkeeper.com X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Just remember to add $250 to the price of an ibook to have standard 3 year warranty. So the ibook is really $1550 to start. On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 09:16 -0400, TuskenTower wrote: > Apple hardware does not have an MS tax. The hardware is expensive, > but worth it. I recommend the $1299 MacBook or an old iBook. > > HTH ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 15:10:09 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 30986 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 15:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 15:10:03 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 30930 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 15:09:57 -0000 Received: from [209.73.179.141] (HELO smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.141) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:09:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 96618 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 15:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.65?) (art.alexion@verizon.net@151.197.184.252 with plain) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 15:09:04 -0000 From: Art Alexion To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] linux compatible MP3 players? Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:08:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <29034906.2401149117604734.JavaMail.root@mail.acetechgroup.com> <20060531233155.GC1425@www.lobefin.net> <200606011036.59964.art.alexion@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200606011036.59964.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-Face: (bP:h+dRW\UQ?yvMHu.P.yiTwg_9h$[F, t, b|0nj-#LNTplvd$9zmLf/1lD|H, =?utf-8?q?b=7C4*I118=0A=09=26sZL*ihxAjI-=26KwxaA=5CWG=26E!=23CI=5E?=@fF+&:>rS1}C(r7Izfdg$*Wb$9\6vw1L[%(i\"=?utf-8?q?xRB3=0A=09b=2Ep+W16=3F!i=5F?=(XYq>@jvtq"QKYJ9G8EQqVxnw@{Q]L)QLtM7aPy{H=?utf-8?q?M=0A=09=2E=2E6O8lJs?=>?OalracA=Y!$Y{4q':r%t$ft+)=?utf-8?q?=7CB=3FF=5BJzCf=0A=09nXyAp-O5=7EG=23y72mJ8=5E2HP2D7o=26/O=25oD?=(G}Fpv>Qh MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200606011108.54661.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: art.alexion@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0056578329==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0056578329== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3450249.JSpUUoRvAq"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart3450249.JSpUUoRvAq Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 01 June 2006 10:36, Art Alexion wrote: > =A0I'd like to create an iTunes > vmware thing so that I don't have to leave the Linux computer. Here's a link to installing iTunes with wine. http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=3Ditunes6 I haven't tried it yet. =2D-=20 _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for=20 alarm. Info @=20 http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ --nextPart3450249.JSpUUoRvAq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUARH8DBkLG/oYII0YuAQJvaQQAi4WqJQs9V/IcYw65kpuSMJ5JhWNRo67O ZsuDoarl21L0Msyp7rfBXZvD49N9bcJCV0AkV0bL1NivlYwhTnY451d6mRnvhQuQ oNolFrZyNYabBgywyIXMbAOCIQPSKUXZn00dfnzTKR54ACJYIbfqiOPl20oVBL6u 3h8aC2s8rB4= =Me+d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3450249.JSpUUoRvAq-- --===============0056578329== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0056578329==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jun 01 16:54:40 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 23607 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 16:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 16:54:37 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 23566 invoked by uid 107); 1 Jun 2006 16:54:34 -0000 Received: from [207.245.69.226] (HELO bridget.crompton.com) (207.245.69.226) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:54:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by bridget.crompton.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id k51GsDl12074 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:54:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:54:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Crompton To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: RE: [PLUG] voip... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org My experience, so far with voip.... About 3 weeks ago I compiled Asterisk and bought a Linksys/Sipura spa-3000. I originally had planned on using it on an NSLU2 and I still may but for testing and learning I decided to put it on my server. I bought a couple of VOIP books... O'Reilly Asterisk. etc. Status.... I have lots of things running. Although I have not totally deployed it yet on my entire home system it is working very well. I have accounts with gizmo, voipjet, free world dialup, and I registered with e164.org This is neat stuff and although I guess I consider myself somewhat of a geek I am not a Linux professional. I teach myself well! I have both SIP and IAX channels setup to many of these services. With my records stored at e164, VOIP users using this service can reach me the cheapest way. For those of you who do not know e164 is the 'domain lookup' of voip. My PSTN number as well as all my voip accounts are registered there. You can setup preferences like an MX record in the domain world. Thus if someone using this service tries to call my home PSTN number they will first be directed to my SIP and IAX accounts, saving them money as in most cases this would be a free call. I intend to do away with my PSTN long distance and reduce my PSTN service to a minimum with the only feature caller ID. I will not do away with it though. My DSL is via verizon/DCAnet. This eliminate any 911 or emergency issues. My interface box falls back to PSTN should anything fail, network, Asterisk, power, etc. Every call I have made so far has had excellent quality. I can call myself and the moment I hit the last key my phone is ringing. This stuff works when setup properly. Cost is about .01/min to any US PSTN, free via internet. Countries vary and if you are going to be calling a specific country you need to research a provider. I have not need for that here. Cost so far here.... $80 for Sipura interface, $30 books, $10 for 1000 minutes (US) credit (gizmo). Future costs... minimal... just buying credits as I need them which won't be very often. There are so many neat things you can do with Asterisk. As a creative programmer I find it fascinating. As a kid I played with phones. That was back when it was illegal to even connect one that was not Telco provided. I had a hardware PBX, key phone system setup using 'appropriated' Bell equipment! Now I can sit at a keyboard and basically create this in SW. I am also NOT tied to my phone like many people are today. If I miss a call, so what. It drives me crazy when people have to have their phone tied to their hip and would not even think of not taking a call! I suspect the PLUG group is very diverse knowledge wise but I see vonage. skype, and other pay services to free ones, like mentioned above as Linux is to Microsoft. It is open vs. closed and free vs. cost. You have to make that decision. 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