From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Oct 02 02:44:51 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 4346 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 02:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 02:44:50 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 4307 invoked by uid 107); 2 Oct 2006 02:44:47 -0000 Received: from [64.83.1.222] (HELO cavtel.net) (64.83.1.222) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:44:47 -0400 Received: from lucii.dnsalias.org (unverified [67.62.105.63]) by cavtel.net (Cavalier email server mail02) with ESMTP id 15839976 for ; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:44:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31923 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 03:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.2]) (192.168.1.2) by polaris.lucii.dnsalias.org (192.168.1.254) with ESMTP; 02 Oct 2006 03:11:10 -0000 From: Eric To: PLUG Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:49:43 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610012249.45362.eric@lucii.org> Subject: [PLUG] RAID cards X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org After the recent discussion about RAID cards I opened a test computer I have and examined it's RAID card in some detail. Sadly, I'm not sure what to look for or what I'm looking at so here goes: Based on the discussion I gathered that there are three "types" of RAID (not RAID 0, RAID 5, etc. but more like "implementations".) 1. Software: The kernel (either Linux or some other OS) handles all the processing for the RAID. 2. Hardware - the easy way: It's "just" software RAID stored on the card and read in by the BIOS on boot. There may or may not be buffering memory on the card but there is no processor on the card and the processing is handled by the computer's CPU. 3. Hardware - the hard way: The card contains the buffering memory and processing to actually handle the I/O for the RAID array. First, is that a fair assessment of the RAID card options? Second, the card I have is a MAXTOR ATA133 RAID card. (image: http://www.lucii.org/eric/RAID.jpg) I'm building a samba file server and I'd like "real" hardware RAID capability (like #3 above) Does this card fit that description? Third: This will be, in essence, a fail-safe backup for data from my other computers. What level of RAID is recommended? I'm thinking of using RAID 1 with 2 Maxtor 160 GB EIDE 7200/8MB/ATA-133 drives. Thanks, Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Eric A Lucas # ------------ # "Oh, I have slipped the surly bond of earth # and danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings... # -- John Gillespie Magee Jr. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Oct 02 14:12:59 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 30781 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 14:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 14:12:58 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 30763 invoked by uid 107); 2 Oct 2006 14:12:55 -0000 Received: from [64.233.162.201] (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.201) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:12:55 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id o37so485389nzf for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:12:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lKGN+/i4zAhO8+PGUr8BRWFJNmmgCZtg2nh4uy3VCxm90RFLMKnftCu6Fjxee7jl5iNwmIK0WjZc3iMAxRxAWVMcBRvDMvvkf6qZmJjWxtPieMea9OvmdvwpKszzxDB1eDjBv8HXrlyOtmJmCqhx2m5AqUFZT1MPC43lkvC34Jg= Received: by 10.64.209.6 with SMTP id h6mr7126812qbg; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.196.2 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:12:53 -0400 From: "Austin Murphy" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] RAID cards In-Reply-To: <200610012249.45362.eric@lucii.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200610012249.45362.eric@lucii.org> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org 1. #2 is also called "fakeraid" by the linux kernel devs. Instead of using hardware logic or the linux multidisk code, it (poorly) implements it's own code in a binary blob. It's kind of like a winmodem. 2. That card apprears to be a Promise "fakeraid" class card. Quoting from: http://lwn.net/Articles/195840/ "Well the other reason to break fastrak raid support is that it's harmful. Slowing down disk access while making youself beholden to proprietary firmware is just not a winning combination. Backstory: promise makes "fake raid" controllers that do a poorer job than the linux builtin software raid. They are notable for having many more bugs than linux softraid, being marketed misleadingly, and damaging performance in most use cases." I ran into a similar card at work and immediately replaced it with a 3ware true hardware raid card. You can get a 2-drive SATA hardware RAID 1 card from 3ware for ~$150. 3. If it is a secondary copy of your data, you probably don't even need RAID. If you need redundancy, you may want to consider the Linux multidisk support. If you have a good CPU, it can outperform a true hardware RAID controller. Just for reference, RAID 1 can speed up reads, but slows down writes a little. If one of the disks fails, there isn't much of a speed penalty. RAID 5 speeds up reads AND writes, but suffers if there is a drive failure. Neither is particularly good at servicing multiple simultaneous requests. Austin On 10/1/06, Eric wrote: > After the recent discussion about RAID cards I opened a test computer > I have and examined it's RAID card in some detail. Sadly, I'm not > sure what to look for or what I'm looking at so here goes: > > Based on the discussion I gathered that there are three "types" of RAID > (not RAID 0, RAID 5, etc. but more like "implementations".) > > 1. Software: The kernel (either Linux or some other OS) handles all > the processing for the RAID. > > 2. Hardware - the easy way: It's "just" software RAID stored on the > card and read in by the BIOS on boot. There may or may not be > buffering memory on the card but there is no processor on the card > and the processing is handled by the computer's CPU. > > 3. Hardware - the hard way: The card contains the buffering memory > and processing to actually handle the I/O for the RAID array. > > First, is that a fair assessment of the RAID card options? > > Second, the card I have is a MAXTOR ATA133 RAID card. > (image: http://www.lucii.org/eric/RAID.jpg) I'm building a samba > file server and I'd like "real" hardware RAID capability (like #3 above) > Does this card fit that description? > > Third: This will be, in essence, a fail-safe backup for data from my > other computers. What level of RAID is recommended? I'm thinking > of using RAID 1 with 2 Maxtor 160 GB EIDE 7200/8MB/ATA-133 drives. > > Thanks, > Eric ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Oct 02 16:55:05 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 19100 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 16:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 16:55:04 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 19065 invoked by uid 107); 2 Oct 2006 16:55:00 -0000 Received: from [66.249.82.236] (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.236) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:55:00 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s14so1748998wxc for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:54:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bu5HZk/M6TfEGKzBuUVF7fXUfI1VCAlpDsrXowlg6lbBI0wD51fId83QXRcYRiVRtN5Jh8CUyjfrQVnx8FT47tqSeo8EqIR4p0Y6Aj55Jp8fNfNEyzq4RNQwb6a1qyJY57xYP/8J2cfTIplDA3R3dk0YM+JeQgDl0Z6z0pNQSOo= Received: by 10.70.80.14 with SMTP id d14mr11793988wxb; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.34.6 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8e6f94720610020954ia54ddc8t611f24536b7b4450@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:54:59 -0400 From: "Will Dyson" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] RAID cards In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200610012249.45362.eric@lucii.org> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On 10/2/06, Austin Murphy wrote: > 1. #2 is also called "fakeraid" by the linux kernel devs. Instead of > using hardware logic or the linux multidisk code, it (poorly) > implements it's own code in a binary blob. It's kind of like a > winmodem. Yeah. The one advantage of this scheme is that, when the card BIOS can understand how the array is put together, it can allow you to boot from the array. A while back, I remember seeing a proposal for a standardized on-disk format for hardware and software raid. I had thought that the major vendors were on-board with the idea, but I haven't heard anything since (from card vendors or the Linux MD/DM maintainers). It is a shame it has gone no-where, as if both the card and Linux supported the standard on-disk array format, it would solve some of the main irritations of using Linux software raid. Namely, being able to boot from a raid volume, and being able to use the card BIOS to configure the array (while still using the superior Linux software raid drivers). -- Will Dyson ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Oct 02 16:56:36 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 19812 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 16:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 16:56:29 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 19745 invoked by uid 107); 2 Oct 2006 16:56:22 -0000 Received: from [207.7.107.205] (HELO alberni.textdrive.com) (207.7.107.205) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:56:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.21.200] (dsl092-054-170.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.54.170]) by alberni.textdrive.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533CEB25DC for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:55:58 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4521448F.2070104@darianpatrick.com> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:55:43 -0400 From: Darian Anthony Patrick User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060922) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] Meeting on Wednesday? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Group, I've not seen a formal announcement made for Wednesday evening, and I'm wondering if the meeting is still happening as I'm supposed to be giving a talk on CakePHP. Are we on or off? Thanks, Darian - -- Darian Anthony Patrick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFIUSPKpzEXPWA4IcRAnmHAJ9BIiPWms9av8jVkB8pWVWWSHXFKQCfZ18T XWIXUtJlts5Yxqw25cC3PYo= =M63z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Oct 02 17:42:22 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 25354 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 17:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 17:42:21 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 25320 invoked by uid 107); 2 Oct 2006 17:42:18 -0000 Received: from [216.86.168.179] (HELO mxout-04.mxes.net) (216.86.168.179) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:42:18 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.25] (unknown [71.255.104.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30665A3245 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45214F64.1060605@marzke.net> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:41:56 -0400 From: Lee Marzke User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Meeting on Wednesday? References: <4521448F.2070104@darianpatrick.com> In-Reply-To: <4521448F.2070104@darianpatrick.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030704000809030101090305" X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030704000809030101090305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm also planning on giving a talk on the Zope Web Application server, with short demo of the Plone Content Management System. Lee Marzke Darian Anthony Patrick wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Group, > > I've not seen a formal announcement made for Wednesday evening, and I'm > wondering if the meeting is still happening as I'm supposed to be giving > a talk on CakePHP. Are we on or off? > > Thanks, > > Darian > - -- > Darian Anthony Patrick > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFFIUSPKpzEXPWA4IcRAnmHAJ9BIiPWms9av8jVkB8pWVWWSHXFKQCfZ18T > XWIXUtJlts5Yxqw25cC3PYo= > =M63z > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > --------------030704000809030101090305 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="lee.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="lee.vcf" YmVnaW46dmNhcmQNCmZuOkxlZSBNYXJ6a2UNCm46TWFyemtlO0xlZQ0KZW1haWw7aW50ZXJu ZXQ6bGVlQG1hcnprZS5uZXQNCnRlbDt3b3JrOjgwMCAzOTMgNTIxNw0KdGVsO2hvbWU6NjEw IDQ1NCA5MzU0DQp2ZXJzaW9uOjIuMQ0KZW5kOnZjYXJkDQoNCg== --------------030704000809030101090305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --------------030704000809030101090305-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Oct 02 18:31:56 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 818 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 18:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 18:31:55 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 779 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Oct 2006 18:31:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:31:52 -0400 From: "Michael C. Toren" To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Meeting on Wednesday? Message-ID: <20061002183152.GA675@netisland.net> References: <4521448F.2070104@darianpatrick.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4521448F.2070104@darianpatrick.com> X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (75% of Full) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:55:43PM -0400, Darian Anthony Patrick wrote: > I've not seen a formal announcement made for Wednesday evening, and I'm > wondering if the meeting is still happening as I'm supposed to be giving > a talk on CakePHP. Are we on or off? We're on; the announcement will be going out shortly. Thanks, -mct ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Oct 02 21:47:46 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 28227 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 21:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 21:47:45 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 28181 invoked by uid 107); 2 Oct 2006 21:47:42 -0000 Received: from [131.106.3.1] (HELO usenix.org) (131.106.3.1) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:47:42 -0400 Received: from [131.106.3.41] (tuvix.usenix.org [131.106.3.41]) by usenix.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92LlIYX015825 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <452188E6.2050008@usenix.org> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:47:18 -0700 From: Lionel Garth Jones User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Macintosh/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1977/Mon Oct 2 13:49:43 2006 on voyager.usenix.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [PLUG] Call for Papers for the 16th USENIX Security Symposium X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --------------------------------- Call for Papers 16th USENIX Security Symposium August 6-10, 2007 Boston, MA, USA http://www.usenix.org/sec07/cfpa/ Submissions Deadline: February 1, 2007 --------------------------------- Dear Colleague: The Call for Papers for the 16th USENIX Security Symposium (Security '07) is now available. Please submit all papers by February 1, 2007. The program committee seeks high-quality refereed paper submissions in all areas relating to system and network security. Please note that the USENIX Security Symposium is primarily a systems security conference. Papers whose contributions are primarily new cryptographic algorithms or protocols, cryptanalysis, electronic commerce primitives, etc., may not be appropriate for this conference. Suggested paper topics include, but are not limited to: * Adaptive security and system management * Analysis of network and security protocols * Applications of cryptographic techniques * Attacks against networks and machines * Authentication and authorization of users, systems, and applications * Automated tools for source code analysis * Cryptographic implementation analysis and construction * Denial-of-service attacks and countermeasures * File and filesystem security * Firewall technologies * Forensics and diagnostics for security * Intrusion and anomaly detection and prevention * Malicious code analysis * Network infrastructure security * Operating system security * Privacy-preserving (and compromising) systems * Public key infrastructure * Rights management and copyright protection * Security architectures * Security in heterogeneous and large-scale environments * Security of agents and mobile code * Security policy * Self-protecting and healing systems * Techniques for developing secure systems * Technologies for trustworthy computing * Voting systems analysis and security * Wireless and pervasive/ubiquitous computing security * World Wide Web security Submissions are due February 1, 2007. For more details on the submission process, please see the complete Call for Papers at: http://www.usenix.org/sec07/cfpa/ We look forward to receiving your submissions! Niels Provos, Google Inc. Security '07 Program Chair sec07chair@usenix.org --------------------------------- SAVE THE DATE! 16th USENIX Security Symposium August 6-10, 2007 Boston, MA, USA http://www.usenix.org/sec07/cfpa/ --------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Oct 03 00:05:03 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 12458 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2006 00:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Oct 2006 00:04:59 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 12362 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2006 00:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Oct 2006 00:04:54 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug-announce@phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 12339 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Oct 2006 00:04:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:04:51 -0400 From: "Michael C. Toren" To: plug-announce@phillylinux.org Message-ID: <20061003000451.GD7217@netisland.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (77% of Full) X-BeenThere: plug-announce@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Subject: [PLUG] [plug-announce] October 4th, 2006: "Web Development Frameworks" X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Announcements , Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org ._____. .__________________________________________________________________. | ._. | | .______________________________________________________________. | | |_| |_|_|___. _____ | | |___| |_____. | The Philadelphia Area Linux Users Group | ._. | | | .___|_|_| |_| | (PLUG) cordially invites you to our next .___| |_|_|_| | | ._____| |___| meeting, Wednesday, October 4th, 2006 | ._| |_______| | | | |_| | at The University of the Sciences in | |_|_|_| |___. | | |_____| Philadelphia, Pennsylvania |_______| |_. | | |______________________________________________________________| | | |_| | |__________________________________________________________________| |_____| The topic of this month's meeting is "Web Development Frameworks", presented by two speakers, each giving an overview of one framework they find worthwhile and interesting. Lee Marzke will be speaking about Zope, and Darian Anthony Patrick will be speaking about Cake. The meeting will take place from 7 to 9PM at: University of the Sciences in Philadelphia (USP) Griffith Hall C 600 South 43rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-4495 USP is located in University City. Driving directions are available at , or , both of which have an aerial view of the campus buildings. USP is also easily accessible by public transportation. There will be an open Question & Answer session at 7PM, prior to the main presentation at 8PM. This is an open meeting; all are welcome, and encouraged to attend. Usually, a number of members get together after the meeting at a nearby restaurant for food and perhaps a beer or two. Come join the camaraderie! _______________________________________________ plug-announce mailing list plug-announce@lists.phillylinux.org http://lists.netisland.net/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Oct 03 00:26:51 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 15749 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2006 00:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Oct 2006 00:26:50 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 15713 invoked by uid 107); 3 Oct 2006 00:26:47 -0000 Received: from [66.92.55.190] (HELO pond.purple.com) (66.92.55.190) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:26:47 -0400 Received: from jeff by pond.purple.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GUY6u-00074o-Tp for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:26:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:26:12 -0400 From: Jeff Abrahamson To: PLUG Message-ID: <20061003002612.GR13512@purple.com> Mail-Followup-To: PLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: [PLUG] scanning photos: anyone feeling underemployed? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1030851960==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1030851960== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RE3pQJLXZi4fr8Xo" Content-Disposition: inline --RE3pQJLXZi4fr8Xo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want a rather large box of photos scanned. I don't want to do it myself. I'm aware, however, that this list is sometimes frequented by the temporarily underemployed or by people with kids who might want to make some money on the side. I'd be willing to pay someone (with his own equipment and technical expertise) enough to make it worthwhile as a side thing (drop some photos in the feeder, come back later), but not so much that it would be worthwhile to sit and watch them scan. The person should be content-neutral (i.e., discreet and not likely to be offended by the sort of horseplay that occasionally crops up in family photos). Drop me a note off-list if interested. --=20 Jeff Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B --RE3pQJLXZi4fr8Xo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFIa4kFr+MTA0drksRAnlwAJ0QYxEXv20ZDCqzr0eXVA32VJQ3zACgkIEG H1tMvCr/q9s44/8EYv1dKTc= =rmX8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RE3pQJLXZi4fr8Xo-- --===============1030851960== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1030851960==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Oct 04 17:43:54 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 11914 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 17:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 17:43:53 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 11893 invoked by uid 107); 4 Oct 2006 17:43:50 -0000 Received: from [66.92.55.190] (HELO pond.purple.com) (66.92.55.190) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:43:50 -0400 Received: from jeff by pond.purple.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GVAmH-0006ks-DR for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:43:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:43:29 -0400 From: Jeff Abrahamson To: PLUG Message-ID: <20061004174328.GL23066@purple.com> Mail-Followup-To: PLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: [PLUG] hp Scanjet 5530 for free X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0644507413==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0644507413== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN" Content-Disposition: inline --wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a used hp Scanjet 5530, free to a good home. I could bring it tonight if anyone wants it there, or you could pick it up from me in University City some time. The 5530 has a photo feeder unit, but when I tried using this under the MacOS X driver, it didn't work properly. I suspect the feed bands are old and not gripping properly, but I didn't debug it extensively. I believe, but do not know for certain, that the scanner otherwise works correctly. I could not find a linux driver for this unit. Mac and Win drivers are available on hp's web site. Reply off list please. --=20 Jeff Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B --wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFI/LAFr+MTA0drksRAiojAJ4rVGtf4nklzxCuX9vyCDxDMAxDbACfRY38 QQ8yHvsntPQpM9cW7T7K8Og= =Mf0V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN-- --===============0644507413== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0644507413==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Oct 04 18:53:25 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 22368 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 18:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 18:53:25 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 22326 invoked by uid 107); 4 Oct 2006 18:53:21 -0000 Received: from [64.233.182.184] (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.184) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:53:21 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so654352nfc for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:53:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PaNohFYun8St2BDzuQS//JEtnkNavlNakxDT3H9uXOzOkhs89GYYW0V9fwppjZrYhxSsk04BQjBnTLDrYjni0aWoAf/hhM9CgFURtqC+xRa95Hcoe3FUP+GqHdNpjYSQJRFbFANx1Sj0yhH0spKZp6JhZpAFyJERywC/rZfXAsk= Received: by 10.49.8.4 with SMTP id l4mr2722031nfi; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.47.19 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6bb38bb80610041153k29504a3btcd82b60e7fbe9cee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:53:17 -0400 From: "Michael Lazin" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] hp Scanjet 5530 for free In-Reply-To: <20061004174328.GL23066@purple.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20061004174328.GL23066@purple.com> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1358899247==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1358899247== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_91729_28934086.1159987997732" ------=_Part_91729_28934086.1159987997732 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If it is not already taken I would like the scanjet. Let me know. Thanks, Michael On 10/4/06, Jeff Abrahamson wrote: > > I have a used hp Scanjet 5530, free to a good home. I could bring it > tonight if anyone wants it there, or you could pick it up from me in > University City some time. > > The 5530 has a photo feeder unit, but when I tried using this under > the MacOS X driver, it didn't work properly. I suspect the feed bands > are old and not gripping properly, but I didn't debug it extensively. > I believe, but do not know for certain, that the scanner otherwise > works correctly. > > I could not find a linux driver for this unit. Mac and Win drivers > are available on hp's web site. > > Reply off list please. > > -- > Jeff > > Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 > GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFI/LAFr+MTA0drksRAiojAJ4rVGtf4nklzxCuX9vyCDxDMAxDbACfRY38 > QQ8yHvsntPQpM9cW7T7K8Og= > =Mf0V > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ------=_Part_91729_28934086.1159987997732 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If it is not already taken I would like the scanjet.  Let me know. 

Thanks,

Michael

On 10/4/06, Jeff Abrahamson < jeff@purple.com> wrote:
I have a used hp Scanjet 5530, free to a good home.  I could bring it
tonight if anyone wants it there, or you could pick it up from me in
University City some time.

The 5530 has a photo feeder unit, but when I tried using this under
the MacOS X driver, it didn't work properly.  I suspect the feed bands
are old and not gripping properly, but I didn't debug it extensively.
I believe, but do not know for certain, that the scanner otherwise
works correctly.

I could not find a linux driver for this unit.  Mac and Win drivers
are available on hp's web site.

Reply off list please.

--
Jeff

Jeff Abrahamson  <http://jeff.purple.com/>          +1 215/837-2287
GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276  63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B


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------=_Part_91729_28934086.1159987997732-- --===============1358899247== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1358899247==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Oct 04 20:10:25 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 3718 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 20:10:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 20:10:24 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 3695 invoked by uid 107); 4 Oct 2006 20:10:21 -0000 Received: from [12.35.245.252] (HELO stamp.slackinc.com) (12.35.245.252) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:10:21 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:10:01 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: raid card utility Thread-Index: Acbn8RM+rt4XhTIiS96U/ELR2fpTQw== From: "George Gallen" To: Subject: [PLUG] raid card utility X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0413886921==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0413886921== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6E7F1.13066105" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E7F1.13066105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable we have an adaptec 3200S RAID controller in our system. When we were running Redhat 7.2 we could use the RAIDUTIL program by = adaptec to monitor the card, etc. Now that we have upgraded our system to Redhat 8.0 (temporary level), = there doesn't appear to be any support from adaptec beyond 7.3 for this card. Is = RAID card control a program that exists in linux? Adaptec's site seem to have given = me the feel that they only provided support for OS's that did not have embedded = support for the card, which RH 8.0 did. So how do I control the card? (aside from = the Ctrl-A on powerup, which is not feasable to reboot a production system just = to check a few things on the raid card...) George George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division ggallen@slackinc.com ph:856.848.1000 Ext 220 SLACK Incorporated - Delivering the best in health care information and = education worldwide. http://www.slackinc.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E7F1.13066105 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable raid card utility

we have an adaptec 3200S RAID = controller in our system.
  When we were running Redhat 7.2 = we could use the RAIDUTIL program by adaptec to
      monitor = the card, etc.

  Now that we have upgraded our = system to Redhat 8.0 (temporary level), there doesn't
      appear = to be any support from adaptec beyond 7.3 for this card. Is RAID card = control
      a = program that exists in linux? Adaptec's site seem to have given me the = feel that
      they = only provided support for OS's that did not have embedded support for = the
      card, = which RH 8.0 did. So how do I control the card? (aside from the Ctrl-A = on
      = powerup, which is not feasable to reboot a production system just to = check a few
      things = on the raid card...)

George

George = Gallen
Senior = Programmer/Analyst
Accounting/Data Division
ggallen@slackinc.com
ph:856.848.1000 Ext 220

SLACK = Incorporated - Delivering the best in health care information and = education worldwide.
http://www.slackinc.com


------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E7F1.13066105-- --===============0413886921== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0413886921==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Oct 05 23:16:36 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 6371 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 23:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Oct 2006 23:16:36 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 6328 invoked by uid 107); 5 Oct 2006 23:16:32 -0000 Received: from [66.92.234.99] (HELO stow.eclipsed.net) (66.92.234.99) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:16:32 -0400 Received: by stow.eclipsed.net (YoMomma, from userid 1000) id 5B49B84430; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:16:20 -0400 From: gabriel rosenkoetter To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] RAID cards Message-ID: <20061005231620.GB41220@stow.eclipsed.net> Mail-Followup-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List References: <200610012249.45362.eric@lucii.org> <8e6f94720610020954ia54ddc8t611f24536b7b4450@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8e6f94720610020954ia54ddc8t611f24536b7b4450@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-PGP-Request: http://eclipsed.net/~gr/0cf9091a.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1175 C547 F847 8340 AC62 6C20 F5E8 5A70 0CF9 091A X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0773751409==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0773751409== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jho1yZJdad60DJr+" Content-Disposition: inline --jho1yZJdad60DJr+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:54:59PM -0400, Will Dyson wrote: > A while back, I remember seeing a proposal for a standardized on-disk > format for hardware and software raid. I had thought that the major > vendors were on-board with the idea, but I haven't heard anything > since (from card vendors or the Linux MD/DM maintainers). Care to reference a url on that? I am inclined to find any such proposition laughable at best. The idea that you could do this and have the format be bootable on even two of the hardware architectures where the card was useable is a support nightmare, if even technically feasible. I routinely use same-spec PCI cards in i386, macppc, and sparc64 systems and, if I had any, would want to be able to in an Intel-based mac. For those specific examples, this can be a bit clumsy (since made-for-i386 PCI cards don't present themselves terribly well to OpenFirmware), but it works plenty well enough, even for devices providing storage resources. Saying that your PCI-compliant device is useable only on a subset of systems with standard-compliant PCI busses is a really good way to get horrible industry press, even though it's not logically unreasonable. Granted, my 3ware 9000-series RAID controllers are in an i386 machine running FreeBSD with drivers and management interface provided by the (card's) vendor, but if I were willing to go off in the rough and write my own drivers and management interfaces to their (published) API, I would fully expect that they didn't do anything assinine with bit order (or anything else) that would make them non-functional (or even just non-bootable) on a system with a different hardware architecture than they'd anticipated. I find it highly dubious that anybody would get all vendors producing computers with PCI busses to sign on to such a standardization unless it were codified as part of PCI, where it really, really doesn't belong. Never mind that even if the choices made at the time seemed like a good idea for an on-disk format, locking into that prevents people from devising more efficient methods. The job of a device providing RAID is to take my bits and give them back to me, providing redundancy in one of several ways defined at the logical level, not at the physical level. Forcing a physical standard on such devices is broken thinking. --=20 gabriel rosenkoetter gr@eclipsed.net --jho1yZJdad60DJr+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFJZJE9ehacAz5CRoRAg/WAJ9OqGOQIBghMJlLF1MsLD/Bd2iAKwCdGmBx 4MEui2eNXOnsQrXQ3rS4RKk= =d07J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jho1yZJdad60DJr+-- --===============0773751409== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0773751409==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Oct 06 02:55:47 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 30750 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 02:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 02:55:46 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 30706 invoked by uid 107); 6 Oct 2006 02:55:43 -0000 Received: from [64.83.1.221] (HELO cavtel.net) (64.83.1.221) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:55:43 -0400 Received: from lucii.dnsalias.org (unverified [67.62.105.63]) by cavtel.net (Cavalier email server mail01) with ESMTP id 23977053 for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:55:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19572 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 03:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.2]) (192.168.1.2) by polaris.lucii.dnsalias.org (192.168.1.254) with ESMTP; 06 Oct 2006 03:22:41 -0000 From: Eric To: PLUG Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 23:01:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610052301.11576.eric@lucii.org> Subject: [PLUG] OT - contract work with tools from the evil empire.... X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org [[ I know this is un-related to Linux but there is a lot of technical expertise here - and some of those experts need work (or have a friend who does.) Deadlines approacheth... ]] I'm working as part of a team on a 4 week VB.NET web project starting next week. We're looking for an additional person experienced in VB.NET and available ASAP. I'll give you more details if you're interested - or know somebody who is. Send me an email [ eric(at)lucii(dot)com ] or call (see: http://www.lucii.com/contact.html) and I'll get reply shortly Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Eric A Lucas # ------------ # "Oh, I have slipped the surly bond of earth # and danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings... # -- John Gillespie Magee Jr. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Oct 06 14:03:14 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 6278 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 14:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 14:03:13 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 6236 invoked by uid 107); 6 Oct 2006 14:03:10 -0000 Received: from [64.233.182.184] (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.184) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:03:10 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o25so1106334nfa for ; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:03:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EtsMmeBwkOBykD/nGa9l77H3ldTHtb+QjqidIwZZQnGWo+Wlkc5Wt4+2y0jweIN1V50Yq3Ntdj8Sbpy+RKoFI3K6+5f5lyzH/hBIJBvlJa4NN6WnHwkWIgU0qynXsGeB+lCOwa2PDq5xtfQwJRd+kHkPSN6GKtthSPi2Ku/Y4T0= Received: by 10.82.114.3 with SMTP id m3mr209676buc; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.167.20 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f8977990610060703x51688aa9t7524ff97a65ed97e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:03:07 -0400 From: "Kevin Ruse" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Myth TV, computer hardware store, and TV & internet service In-Reply-To: <1158980985.6948.21.camel@BigTux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200609222037.59851.plug.20.chth@xoxy.net> <1158980985.6948.21.camel@BigTux> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I would recommend knoppmyth as a first time install. If you look at the Tier 1 forum at the knoppmyth forums (http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/) you can find different hardware recommendations to have things working out of the box. Also if you are going to run multiple sd frontends, i suggest hacking an xbox with xebian. They make relatively cheap frontends. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Oct 06 17:26:55 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 2051 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 17:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 17:26:54 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 2007 invoked by uid 107); 6 Oct 2006 17:26:50 -0000 Received: from [146.145.97.99] (HELO oktoberfest.campusparty.com) (146.145.97.99) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:26:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3045.192.168.0.22.1160155599.squirrel@postoffice.campusparty.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:26:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sean C. Sheridan" To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [PLUG] cname lookups X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: scs@CampusClients.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Ok, forgive the noob question... I'm trying to find a way to generate a list of servers on a particular domain. In my mind the records I need are cname records. But I can't seem to generate a meaningful response... By way of example, let's try Upenn. I am trying to locate domains such as: isc.upenn.edu www.cis.upenn.edu www.rad.upenn.edu Following the examples at: http://www.freebsdhowtos.com/62.html I am unable to use nslookup, dig or host to find the records I need. So I try a variety of things like: host -l -t any upenn.edu It tells me penn uses a name server at udel.edu dns2.udel.edu so I try: dig dns2.udel.edu upenn.edu axfr but get no love. This fails with no response: host -l -t cname upenn.edu One approach that does work is to search google. A search for "*.upenn.edu site:upenn.edu" yields a list of domains, but surely there is a better way using dig or host. Any thoughts? Sean C. Sheridan scs@CampusClients.com Campus Party, Inc. 444 North Third St. Philadelphia, PA 19123 (215) 320-1810 (215) 320-1814 fax http://www.CampusClients.com http://www.CampusParty.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Oct 06 18:04:29 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 8874 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 18:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 18:04:25 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 8837 invoked by uid 107); 6 Oct 2006 18:04:22 -0000 Received: from [82.71.90.98] (HELO mail.lobefin.net) (82.71.90.98) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:04:22 -0400 Received: from lobefin.net ([82.71.90.97] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by mail.lobefin.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1GVu3N-0005aR-44 for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:04:09 +0100 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.50) id 1GVu3Q-00054a-MW for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:04:12 +0100 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:04:12 +0100 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] cname lookups Message-ID: <20061006180412.GA10499@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <3045.192.168.0.22.1160155599.squirrel@postoffice.campusparty.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3045.192.168.0.22.1160155599.squirrel@postoffice.campusparty.com> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.8-3-686-smp i686 X-Uptime: 79 days X-Latin: Hodie pridie Nonas Novembres MMDCCLIX ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 60th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3172 X-DDate: Only 2430597 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. Kallisti! X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Authenticated-Sender: steve X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.88.4/2000 on mail.lobefin.net; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:04:09 +0100 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1831936424==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1831936424== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 01:26:39PM -0400, Sean C. Sheridan said: > Ok, forgive the noob question... >=20 > I'm trying to find a way to generate a list of servers on a particular > domain. In my mind the records I need are cname records. But I can't > seem to generate a meaningful response... >=20 > By way of example, let's try Upenn. >=20 > I am trying to locate domains such as: > isc.upenn.edu > www.cis.upenn.edu > www.rad.upenn.edu [snip] > Any thoughts? upenn.edu apparently does not allow axfr's to arbitrary hosts, so it's unlikely this approach is going to work. Let's take a step back - what are you trying to do? Map out the network? Just figure out what all the subdomains are? You can probably roughly map the network with public information (whois, plus rDNS queries for every address in the whois info), but getting a list of forward lookups that are subdomains is going to be harder. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | Modesty: The gentle art of enhancing | | steve@lobefin.net | your charm by pretending not to be | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | aware of it. -- Oliver Herford | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFJpqcSYIMHOpZA44RAo4VAKCTFWI2Cs7uqxMfkNoK7kvJZg/aCQCg3YGT XbaMaR8VIGgNhFrdKAwgmiQ= =EZQn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7-- --===============1831936424== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1831936424==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Oct 06 18:19:21 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 10857 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 18:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 18:19:21 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 10823 invoked by uid 107); 6 Oct 2006 18:19:18 -0000 Received: from [146.145.97.99] (HELO oktoberfest.campusparty.com) (146.145.97.99) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:19:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1554.192.168.0.22.1160158748.squirrel@postoffice.campusparty.com> In-Reply-To: <20061006180412.GA10499@www.lobefin.net> References: <3045.192.168.0.22.1160155599.squirrel@postoffice.campusparty.com> <20061006180412.GA10499@www.lobefin.net> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PLUG] cname lookups From: "Sean C. Sheridan" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: scs@CampusClients.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Stephen, I'm trying to identify publicly accessible subdomains on a variety of .edu domains. We're considering developing an "education search engine". Sean C. Sheridan scs@CampusClients.com Campus Party, Inc. 444 North Third St. Philadelphia, PA 19123 (215) 320-1810 (215) 320-1814 fax http://www.CampusClients.com http://www.CampusParty.com > On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 01:26:39PM -0400, Sean C. Sheridan said: >> Ok, forgive the noob question... >> >> I'm trying to find a way to generate a list of servers on a particular >> domain. In my mind the records I need are cname records. But I can't >> seem to generate a meaningful response... >> >> By way of example, let's try Upenn. >> >> I am trying to locate domains such as: >> isc.upenn.edu >> www.cis.upenn.edu >> www.rad.upenn.edu > > [snip] > >> Any thoughts? > > upenn.edu apparently does not allow axfr's to arbitrary hosts, so it's > unlikely this approach is going to work. > > Let's take a step back - what are you trying to do? Map out the network? > Just figure out what all the subdomains are? You can probably roughly > map the network with public information (whois, plus rDNS queries for > every address in the whois info), but getting a list of forward lookups > that are subdomains is going to be harder. > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Stephen Gran | Modesty: The gentle art of enhancing > | > | steve@lobefin.net | your charm by pretending not to be > | > | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | aware of it. -- Oliver Herford > | > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > [Attachment denied by WatchGuard SMTP proxy (type > "application/pgp-signature", filename "signature.asc")] > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Oct 06 18:25:34 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 12000 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 18:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 18:25:32 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 11961 invoked by uid 107); 6 Oct 2006 18:25:30 -0000 Received: from [82.71.90.98] (HELO mail.lobefin.net) (82.71.90.98) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:25:30 -0400 Received: from lobefin.net ([82.71.90.97] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by mail.lobefin.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1GVuNr-0006ee-Rr; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:25:20 +0100 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.50) id 1GVuNs-0005sr-Ph; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:25:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:25:20 +0100 From: Stephen Gran To: scs@CampusClients.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] cname lookups Message-ID: <20061006182520.GA21937@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: scs@CampusClients.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List References: <3045.192.168.0.22.1160155599.squirrel@postoffice.campusparty.com> <20061006180412.GA10499@www.lobefin.net> <1554.192.168.0.22.1160158748.squirrel@postoffice.campusparty.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1554.192.168.0.22.1160158748.squirrel@postoffice.campusparty.com> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.8-3-686-smp i686 X-Uptime: 79 days X-Latin: Hodie pridie Nonas Novembres MMDCCLIX ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 60th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3172 X-DDate: Only 2430597 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. Frink! X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Authenticated-Sender: steve X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.88.4/2000 on mail.lobefin.net; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:25:20 +0100 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1308620351==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1308620351== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd" Content-Disposition: inline --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 02:19:08PM -0400, Sean C. Sheridan said: > I'm trying to identify publicly accessible subdomains on a variety of .edu > domains. We're considering developing an "education search engine". If they don't allow public axfr's, they may be averse to you crawling their network as well. Can you just coordinate with them? --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | God must love the common man; He made | | steve@lobefin.net | so many of them. | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFJp+QSYIMHOpZA44RAugMAJ9vPZ0zPiGwJWv5keT2dyrIC3YeNACfb7J9 mFsAbxXV49stJHSM60P+JOw= =Yuzh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd-- --===============1308620351== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1308620351==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Oct 06 18:51:14 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 15182 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 18:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 18:51:12 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 15145 invoked by uid 107); 6 Oct 2006 18:51:09 -0000 Received: from [166.84.1.74] (HELO mail3.panix.com) (166.84.1.74) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:51:09 -0400 Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A973213A84D; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (node4.uphs.upenn.edu [165.123.243.168]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA5F6E3384; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piquin (piquin [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96Io5RK012272; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:50:05 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.1 To: scs@CampusClients.com, "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" From: bergman@merctech.com Subject: Re: [PLUG] cname lookups In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:19:08 EDT." <1554.192.168.0.22.1160158748.squirrel@postoffice.campusparty.com> References: <1554.192.168.0.22.1160158748.squirrel@postoffice.campusparty.com> <3045.192.168.0.22.1160155599.squirrel@postoffice.campusparty.com> <20061006180412.GA10499@www.lobefin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:50:05 -0400 Message-ID: <12271.1160160605@piquin> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bergman@merctech.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org In the message dated: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:19:08 EDT, The pithy ruminations from "Sean C. Sheridan" on were: => Stephen, => => => I'm trying to identify publicly accessible subdomains on a variety of .edu Just because a domain is publically accessible doesn't always mean that it should be accessible, or that the content is intended to be searched. Following CNAMEs is not going to be very comprehensive or reliable. As you've found, many sites prohibit arbitray domain XFERs, especially recursive transfers. It's not 1993 anymore. => domains. We're considering developing an "education search engine". I don't know your business plan or anything, but how's that different from google, with the proper parameters? If you're looking for content that's actually meant to be searched, approaching the question from the point of view of the content, rather than the hosts, may be more appropriate. In other words, spider the public web sites in order to map the site and build your search engine. Ooops, I've described $COMMERCIAL_SEARCH_ENGINE. Any other kind of network discovery may well be viewed as hostile, and blocked. Mark "not speaking for Penn right now" Bergman => => => Sean C. Sheridan => scs@CampusClients.com => => Campus Party, Inc. => 444 North Third St. => Philadelphia, PA 19123 => (215) 320-1810 => (215) 320-1814 fax => http://www.CampusClients.com => http://www.CampusParty.com => => => => > On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 01:26:39PM -0400, Sean C. Sheridan said: => >> Ok, forgive the noob question... => >> => >> I'm trying to find a way to generate a list of servers on a particular => >> domain. In my mind the records I need are cname records. But I can't => >> seem to generate a meaningful response... => >> => >> By way of example, let's try Upenn. => >> => >> I am trying to locate domains such as: => >> isc.upenn.edu => >> www.cis.upenn.edu => >> www.rad.upenn.edu => > => > [snip] => > => >> Any thoughts? => > => > upenn.edu apparently does not allow axfr's to arbitrary hosts, so it's => > unlikely this approach is going to work. => > => > Let's take a step back - what are you trying to do? Map out the network? => > Just figure out what all the subdomains are? You can probably roughly => > map the network with public information (whois, plus rDNS queries for => > every address in the whois info), but getting a list of forward lookups => > that are subdomains is going to be harder. => > -- => > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- => > | Stephen Gran | Modesty: The gentle art of enhancing => > | => > | steve@lobefin.net | your charm by pretending not to be => > | => > | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | aware of it. -- Oliver Herford => > | => > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand http://wwwkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=bergman%40merctech.com I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 15+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Oct 06 19:43:37 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 22331 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 19:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 19:43:36 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 22294 invoked by uid 107); 6 Oct 2006 19:43:33 -0000 Received: from [146.145.97.99] (HELO oktoberfest.campusparty.com) (146.145.97.99) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:43:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4934.192.168.0.22.1160163805.squirrel@postoffice.campusparty.com> In-Reply-To: <12271.1160160605@piquin> References: <1554.192.168.0.22.1160158748.squirrel@postoffice.campusparty.com> <3045.192.168.0.22.1160155599.squirrel@postoffice.campusparty.com> <20061006180412.GA10499@www.lobefin.net> <12271.1160160605@piquin> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PLUG] cname lookups From: "Sean C. Sheridan" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: scs@CampusClients.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Well, If you think my custom spider is a better approach (ha) I'm happy to have at it. Any suggestions on books? I have the LWP&perl book, is the "spidering Hacks" book any good? Anyone have an advanced copy of "Webbots, Spiders, and Screen Scrapers"? Sean C. Sheridan scs@CampusClients.com Campus Party, Inc. 444 North Third St. Philadelphia, PA 19123 (215) 320-1810 (215) 320-1814 fax http://www.CampusClients.com http://www.CampusParty.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Oct 07 17:44:07 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 32319 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2006 17:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Oct 2006 17:44:06 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 32288 invoked by uid 107); 7 Oct 2006 17:44:03 -0000 Received: from [68.142.206.189] (HELO web84102.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.189) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:44:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 97425 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2006 17:43:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20061007174349.97423.qmail@web84102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.151.76.214] by web84102.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:43:49 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:43:49 -0700 (PDT) From: ARTHUR ALEXION To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [PLUG] After dist_upgrade, kubuntu system won't boot X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I put this upgrade off for a while; just had a feeling it would go badly. Originally ubuntu warty from CD. 6-10 months later, upgraded via 'apt-get dist_upgrade' to hoary. 6-10 months later, upgraded via 'apt-get dist_upgrade' to breezy. All well but, edgy out, so I thought the bugs were out of dapper. This time 'apt-get dist_upgrade' was stubborn. Had to manually remove some packages and run 'apt-get -f install' many times, then install "held back" packages with 'apt-get install '. Then had to manually run apt-get install kubuntu_desktop. Finally looked like all was well. But now won't complete init. System will boot from /dev/hda gets to initializing root file system in graphical boot screen, then falls to char mode with many Segment Faults! and finally complains that /dev/hda2 (root file system partition) does not exist and I get a default prompt with few built in commands. When booting from Kubuntu or Knoppix live CDs everything is OK on hda2. Help, please. -- _____________________________ artAlexion art[dot]alexion[at]verizon[dot]net Sent unsigned from web interface. Confirm source if important. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Oct 07 18:48:50 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 7650 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2006 18:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Oct 2006 18:48:48 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 7611 invoked by uid 107); 7 Oct 2006 18:48:45 -0000 Received: from [66.93.22.232] (HELO cobija.connexer.com) (66.93.22.232) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:48:45 -0400 Received: from 81-170-234-204.bahnhofbredband.net (unknown [81.170.234.204]) by cobija.connexer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696E717C0CE for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PLUG] After dist_upgrade, kubuntu system won't boot From: sean finney To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <20061007174349.97423.qmail@web84102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061007174349.97423.qmail@web84102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:48:32 +0200 Message-Id: <1160246912.28617.12.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0582852298==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0582852298== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Hrw4VEQAbUK8NkAT6fpC" --=-Hrw4VEQAbUK8NkAT6fpC Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi art, On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 10:43 -0700, ARTHUR ALEXION wrote: > This time 'apt-get dist_upgrade' was stubborn. Had > to manually remove some packages and run 'apt-get -f > install' many times, then install "held back" packages > with 'apt-get install '. Then > had to manually run apt-get install kubuntu_desktop.=20 > Finally looked like all was well. my guess is that this has something to do with the problem though. without a full list of the stuff that broke and the stuff that was uninstalled, one can only make wild guesses :/ > System will boot from /dev/hda gets to initializing > root file system in graphical boot screen, then falls > to char mode with many Segment Faults! and finally > complains that /dev/hda2 (root file system partition) > does not exist and I get a default prompt with few > built in commands. what's segfaulting? =20 i'd start with reinstalling some of the packages involved in the first steps of a bootup. specifically: - your kernel (linux-image-2.6-686 or similar) - your bootloader - your init subsystemsystem - ubuntu-standard if you haven't had to do it before, it's not to hard to get into your system to make these changes by doing the following: - boot off a rescue cd / installer cd - mount your root filesystem onto something like /target - chroot /target - mount -a (make sure /proc and /sys get mounted) - do your stuff - unmount all your filesystems - reboot. --=-Hrw4VEQAbUK8NkAT6fpC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFJ/aAynjLPm522B0RAkT2AJ96Rz3ul+bdSPonwxlcKkdwfUd+GwCfWbNw Hv6w21z3646ODjFB8QLdivE= =7ol4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Hrw4VEQAbUK8NkAT6fpC-- --===============0582852298== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0582852298==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Oct 07 19:08:18 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 11033 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2006 19:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Oct 2006 19:08:17 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 10989 invoked by uid 107); 7 Oct 2006 19:08:14 -0000 Received: from [68.142.206.202] (HELO web84115.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.202) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:08:14 -0400 Received: (qmail 37306 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2006 19:08:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20061007190805.37304.qmail@web84115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.151.76.214] by web84115.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:08:05 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:08:05 -0700 (PDT) From: ARTHUR ALEXION Subject: Re: [PLUG] After dist_upgrade, kubuntu system won't boot To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <1160246912.28617.12.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --- sean finney wrote: > hi art, > > On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 10:43 -0700, ARTHUR ALEXION > wrote: > > This time 'apt-get dist_upgrade' was stubborn. > Had > > to manually remove some packages and run 'apt-get > -f > > install' many times, then install "held back" > packages > > with 'apt-get install '. > Then > > had to manually run apt-get install > kubuntu_desktop. > > Finally looked like all was well. > > my guess is that this has something to do with the > problem though. > without a full list of the stuff that broke and the > stuff that was > uninstalled, one can only make wild guesses :/ Was well over 220 packages held back or wouldn't install/upgrade. I didn't keep a list as most installed after I removed some stuff. The stuff I had to remove were ktorrent, dovecot and apache/myphpmoney (none of which I was using). > > > System will boot from /dev/hda gets to > initializing > > root file system in graphical boot screen, then > falls > > to char mode with many Segment Faults! and finally > > complains that /dev/hda2 (root file system > partition) > > does not exist and I get a default prompt with few > > built in commands. > > what's segfaulting? I can't tell due to that graphical startup screen. The graphical startup screen gets to "initializing root file system" before dumping me to the char mode screen. I tried different tty screens to see the char mode from the beginning, but not successful. > > i'd start with reinstalling some of the packages > involved in the first > steps of a bootup. specifically: > > - your kernel (linux-image-2.6-686 or similar) How can I install this if I can't start the system. Well, not quite, I can boot from an old kernel, 2.6.8. Should I try to boot with that? X won't work with that, but I assume I can do an apt-get or a dpkg. > - your bootloader> - your init subsystemsystem Re-install grub? I think init is installed with linux-image, right? > - ubuntu-standard Is that a package name or just shorthand for the base system? > > if you haven't had to do it before, it's not to hard > to get into your > system to make these changes by doing the following: > > - boot off a rescue cd / installer cd > - mount your root filesystem onto something like > /target > - chroot /target > - mount -a (make sure /proc and /sys get mounted) > - do your stuff > - unmount all your filesystems > - reboot. Sorry I asked about how before reading the whole thing. :-( Thanks, Sean. -- _____________________________ artAlexion art[dot]alexion[at]verizon[dot]net Sent unsigned from web interface. Confirm source if important. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Oct 07 19:18:55 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 12398 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2006 19:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Oct 2006 19:18:54 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 12364 invoked by uid 107); 7 Oct 2006 19:18:52 -0000 Received: from [68.142.206.193] (HELO web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.193) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:18:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 52291 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2006 19:18:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20061007191843.52289.qmail@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.151.76.214] by web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:18:43 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:18:43 -0700 (PDT) From: ARTHUR ALEXION Subject: Re: [PLUG] After dist_upgrade, kubuntu system won't boot To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <1160246912.28617.12.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Follow up (need more help). --- sean finney wrote: > hi art, > > On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 10:43 -0700, ARTHUR ALEXION > wrote: > i'd start with reinstalling some of the packages > involved in the first > steps of a bootup. specifically: > > - your kernel (linux-image-2.6-686 or similar) > - your bootloader > - your init subsystemsystem > - ubuntu-standard > > if you haven't had to do it before, it's not to hard > to get into your > system to make these changes by doing the following: > > - boot off a rescue cd / installer cd Done. OK > - mount your root filesystem onto something like > /target Done. OK > - chroot /target Done. OK > - mount -a (make sure /proc and /sys get mounted) Done. OK > - do your stuff This is where I have a problem. sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-10-686 gets me sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname() Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done linux-image-2.6.12-10-686 is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > - unmount all your filesystems > - reboot. -- _____________________________ artAlexion art[dot]alexion[at]verizon[dot]net Sent unsigned from web interface. Confirm source if important. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Oct 07 21:53:50 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 29045 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2006 21:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Oct 2006 21:53:49 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 29008 invoked by uid 107); 7 Oct 2006 21:53:46 -0000 Received: from [66.93.22.232] (HELO cobija.connexer.com) (66.93.22.232) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 17:53:46 -0400 Received: from 81-170-234-204.bahnhofbredband.net (unknown [81.170.234.204]) by cobija.connexer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DF117C0CE for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PLUG] After dist_upgrade, kubuntu system won't boot From: sean finney To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <20061007191843.52289.qmail@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061007191843.52289.qmail@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 23:53:33 +0200 Message-Id: <1160258013.822.5.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0302601359==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0302601359== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-XPdK6RwO4zDTDp637rm8" --=-XPdK6RwO4zDTDp637rm8 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 12:18 -0700, ARTHUR ALEXION wrote: > > - do your stuff >=20 > This is where I have a problem. >=20 > sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-10-686 >=20 > gets me >=20 > sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname() > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done > linux-image-2.6.12-10-686 is already the newest > version. > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not > upgraded. nothing too wrong there. the complaining about "ubuntu" is benign. you can ignore them, or better just do "sudo su -" and save some keystrokes while you're in rescue mode. for the kernel, looks like you're trying to install an older kernel which isn't in dapper. try linux-image-686. wrt your question about init, you probably want sysvinit. =20 also, you can get more info at bootup by editing the boot cmdline before booting (highlight your kernel and hit e), and then deleting the parts of the cmdline that contain "quiet" and "splash". sean --=-XPdK6RwO4zDTDp637rm8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFKCHdynjLPm522B0RAm5QAJ9ppo1h8wuJvZbm+nUejSMQ5Pp57wCfevGN BTArVxv6OmeklmeInEHVxWc= =Z/pJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-XPdK6RwO4zDTDp637rm8-- --===============0302601359== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0302601359==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Oct 07 21:59:39 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 30071 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2006 21:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Oct 2006 21:59:37 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 30034 invoked by uid 107); 7 Oct 2006 21:59:35 -0000 Received: from [66.93.22.232] (HELO cobija.connexer.com) (66.93.22.232) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 17:59:35 -0400 Received: from 81-170-234-204.bahnhofbredband.net (unknown [81.170.234.204]) by cobija.connexer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5DC17C0CE for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [PLUG] After dist_upgrade, kubuntu system won't boot From: sean finney To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <1160258013.822.5.camel@localhost> References: <20061007191843.52289.qmail@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1160258013.822.5.camel@localhost> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 23:59:18 +0200 Message-Id: <1160258358.822.8.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2119680658==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============2119680658== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-qT7fgw5rvvYfS2I7bEZU" --=-qT7fgw5rvvYfS2I7bEZU Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 23:53 +0200, sean finney wrote: > for the kernel, looks like you're trying to install an older kernel > which isn't in dapper. try linux-image-686. wrt your question about > init, you probably want sysvinit. =20 oh, and i should have been more clear: when i say "reinstall foo", i mean something like "apt-get --reinstall install foo", such that the various maintainer scripts are re-run. sean --=-qT7fgw5rvvYfS2I7bEZU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFKCM2ynjLPm522B0RAtG+AJ9jjgBE4uV/CWC7FLvmlCZgrcOw6wCfeyIV 10m2hNc5I9ZLD5/5nD2+u1M= =Mogy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-qT7fgw5rvvYfS2I7bEZU-- --===============2119680658== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============2119680658==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Oct 08 01:12:26 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 16853 invoked from network); 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Sat, 7 Oct 2006 18:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8e6f94720610071812k160f66f9na82ddb803c4ab20e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:12:22 -0400 From: "Will Dyson" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] RAID cards In-Reply-To: <20061005231620.GB41220@stow.eclipsed.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200610012249.45362.eric@lucii.org> <8e6f94720610020954ia54ddc8t611f24536b7b4450@mail.gmail.com> <20061005231620.GB41220@stow.eclipsed.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On 10/5/06, gabriel rosenkoetter wrote: > On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:54:59PM -0400, Will Dyson wrote: > > A while back, I remember seeing a proposal for a standardized on-disk > > format for hardware and software raid. I had thought that the major > > vendors were on-board with the idea, but I haven't heard anything > > since (from card vendors or the Linux MD/DM maintainers). > > Care to reference a url on that? Hi Gabe, The standard is called DDF. Sorry for being too lazy to look it up before. http://www.snia.org/standards/home http://www.intel.com/technology/magazine/standards/RAID-spec-1105.htm > I am inclined to find any such proposition laughable at best. The > idea that you could do this and have the format be bootable on even > two of the hardware architectures where the card was useable is a > support nightmare, if even technically feasible. Given that a few minutes of searching have not located me any cards that even claim to support DDF, others seem to share your opinion on the need for such a thing. But I don't see what the ability of one card to work in multiple types of host systems has to do with it. DDF is a data format for describing the striping layout of a raid group. If a card's firmware has bugs that cause it to only work on one host architecture, then that firmware has problems. I don't see how using a card-specific raid group description format would prevent that situation. > Granted, my 3ware 9000-series RAID controllers are in an i386 machine > running FreeBSD with drivers and management interface provided by > the (card's) vendor, but if I were willing to go off in the rough > and write my own drivers and management interfaces to their (published) > API, I would fully expect that they didn't do anything assinine > with bit order (or anything else) that would make them non-functional > (or even just non-bootable) on a system with a different hardware > architecture than they'd anticipated. > > I find it highly dubious that anybody would get all vendors > producing computers with PCI busses to sign on to such a > standardization unless it were codified as part of PCI, where it > really, really doesn't belong. Never mind that even if the choices > made at the time seemed like a good idea for an on-disk format, > locking into that prevents people from devising more efficient > methods. I am confused by your references to the PCI spec. In a full-hardware-raid card, the on-disk description of array groups a matter for the card's firmware alone. If such a card were to support DDF, then I would expect its management interface to work just like it does with the vendor's current proprietary format. If the DDF specification failed to specify the byte sex (or whatever) of the on-disk data, then that would be a grave flaw in the standard. But it would not be an indictment of the general concept. If the standard was not flexible enough to deal with future striping layouts, then I suppose a new revision of the standard would be needed (along with a new firmware to understand the revised standard). Are we even talking about the same thing? -- Will Dyson ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Oct 08 15:50:41 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 12603 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2006 15:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Oct 2006 15:50:37 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 12566 invoked by uid 107); 8 Oct 2006 15:50:34 -0000 Received: from [209.73.179.141] (HELO smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.141) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 11:50:34 -0400 Received: (qmail 46801 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2006 15:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.65?) (art.alexion@verizon.net@141.151.76.214 with plain) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2006 15:50:18 -0000 From: Art Alexion To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] After dist_upgrade, kubuntu system won't boot Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:49:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <20061007191843.52289.qmail@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1160258013.822.5.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1160258013.822.5.camel@localhost> X-Face: (bP:h+dRW\UQ?yvMHu.P.yiTwg_9h$[F, t, b|0nj-#LNTplvd$9zmLf/1lD|H, =?utf-8?q?b=7C4*I118=0A=09=26sZL*ihxAjI-=26KwxaA=5CWG=26E!=23CI=5E?=@fF+&:>rS1}C(r7Izfdg$*Wb$9\6vw1L[%(i\"=?utf-8?q?xRB3=0A=09b=2Ep+W16=3F!i=5F?=(XYq>@jvtq"QKYJ9G8EQqVxnw@{Q]L)QLtM7aPy{H=?utf-8?q?M=0A=09=2E=2E6O8lJs?=>?OalracA=Y!$Y{4q':r%t$ft+)=?utf-8?q?=7CB=3FF=5BJzCf=0A=09nXyAp-O5=7EG=23y72mJ8=5E2HP2D7o=26/O=25oD?=(G}Fpv>Qh MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200610081149.53826.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: art.alexion@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1205380408==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1205380408== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart5192296.Y970WvRLA8"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart5192296.Y970WvRLA8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 07 October 2006 17:53, sean finney wrote: > for the kernel, looks like you're trying to install an older kernel > which isn't in dapper. =A0try linux-image-686. =A0wrt your question about > init, you probably want sysvinit I succeeded in installing a newer kernel, and was able to boot before=20 reinstalling sysvinit. =20 Some minor problems with KDE 3.5.2 stuff that was deleted from my old insta= ll,=20 but not upgraded to the 3.5.4 versions. Shouldn't be a problem. The only boot problem I still detect is that init stalls on HAL=20 initialization. It complains that it can't create a file because the=20 directory already exists. I was able to continue booting by pressing ctrl+= c=20 and ctrl+d a few times. Any suggestions here? I will need to reboot to fi= nd=20 out the precise file overwriting problem and whether ctrl+c or d was what d= id=20 the trick. Thanks for the help, Sean. =2D-=20 _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for=20 alarm. 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