From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 07:17:52 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 18884 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 07:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 07:17:49 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 18845 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 07:17:46 -0000 Received: from [64.233.182.190] (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.190) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 02:17:46 -0500 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c2so685078nfe for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:17:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rBKq4FOVp2d49/NZYirW0uB+PcegsAW1FojL7ipl4y/AUsxb/XJCizkNgEBYhx7xMll5wC1yGs5QS33ngLp+MMRwtK7a0zPb1bS0/SDEqgeGclGN6hwpf5zPRH8VcYY8qSIl/pyb8EoALXagXM2J0/ccj2pzoSiF/ZQf0ASWcAA= Received: by 10.82.152.16 with SMTP id z16mr1376172bud; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.132.7 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:17:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8e6f94720610312317nc9eda38qd28482fd7768458@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 02:17:42 -0500 From: "Will Dyson" To: art.alexion@verizon.net, "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] After dist_upgrade, kubuntu system won't boot In-Reply-To: <200610310741.30920.art.alexion@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061007191843.52289.qmail@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200610301358.57400.art.alexion@verizon.net> <20061031024132.GC11436@www.lobefin.net> <200610310741.30920.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On 10/31/06, Art Alexion wrote: > Right. That is the problem. The script is 20hal. It starts hald. I > attached it earlier. I don't think the script itself is the problem, though, > because I can't start hal in daemonized mode even without the script. Hmm. If you run 'hald --daemon=no' in a terminal, do the things that depend on it start working? Like lshal, for example. That would be strange if it did, I think. So lets see what is going wrong with hald in daemonize mode. As Stephen pointed out, strace takes an -f argument to follow children of the traced program. Using it should reveal what is going on with it in daemonize mode. # strace -f -o hald.strace -s 150 hald -- Will Dyson ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 07:34:06 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 20639 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 07:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 07:34:05 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 20598 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 07:34:02 -0000 Received: from [66.93.22.232] (HELO cobija.connexer.com) (66.93.22.232) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 02:34:02 -0500 Received: from h-81-170-234-204.NA.cust.bahnhof.se (h-81-170-234-204.NA.cust.bahnhof.se [81.170.234.204]) by cobija.connexer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F014B17C344; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 02:33:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PLUG] After dist_upgrade, kubuntu system won't boot From: sean finney To: art.alexion@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <200610301358.57400.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <20061007191843.52289.qmail@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200610300821.41801.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1162226723.18668.10.camel@localhost> <200610301358.57400.art.alexion@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 08:33:46 +0100 Message-Id: <1162366427.16064.7.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1478348684==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1478348684== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-nU8QMB0KaivfNnGXXSpy" --=-nU8QMB0KaivfNnGXXSpy Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi art, On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 14:58 -0400, Art Alexion wrote: > On Monday 30 October 2006 11:45, sean finney wrote: > > let's try something=20 > > else: doing an sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart, when hal hangs as its > > coming up, immediately do a "ps -ef". maybe that will let us see easie= r > > if a particular hal child process is holding things up. =20 >=20 > output is attached as processes.now the most interesting thing i see is that there are *two* hald processes, but that may just be some kind of wierd artifact. or it may be because you have a '~' file in /etc/dbus-1/event.d and the hal stuff is getting run twice. > > also, how about=20 > > the following info: > > > > find /usr/share/hal /etc/hal /etc/dbus-1 -type f -print0 | xargs -0 > > md5sum | sort >=20 > See find.output, attached. i've attached a diff from yours to mine. you can ignore some of the extra files that i have (skype, network-manager), but i see you have some files that i don't. check to make sure they actually belong to a package (dpkg -S filename), and if not try moving them to a safe place (but out of the way). i think you can also ignore the .pyc/.pyo differences, since those are dynamically compiled on each system. sean --=-nU8QMB0KaivfNnGXXSpy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFSE3aynjLPm522B0RAjNjAJ9uE/PVkePrFAeR6x8zNVkT1yyKRQCfY8YQ KBd+u3QXKRM8mwYVYSAwOvc= =RSzs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-nU8QMB0KaivfNnGXXSpy-- --===============1478348684== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1478348684==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 07:47:38 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 22375 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 07:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 07:47:37 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 22338 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 07:47:34 -0000 Received: from [66.93.22.232] (HELO cobija.connexer.com) (66.93.22.232) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 02:47:34 -0500 Received: from h-81-170-234-204.NA.cust.bahnhof.se (h-81-170-234-204.NA.cust.bahnhof.se [81.170.234.204]) by cobija.connexer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93E417C344; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 02:47:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PLUG] After dist_upgrade, kubuntu system won't boot From: sean finney To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <1162366427.16064.7.camel@localhost> References: <20061007191843.52289.qmail@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200610300821.41801.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1162226723.18668.10.camel@localhost> <200610301358.57400.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1162366427.16064.7.camel@localhost> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 08:47:21 +0100 Message-Id: <1162367241.19167.6.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Cc: art.alexion@verizon.net X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0028585160==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0028585160== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-SuP8XQBfe3CvL2nmKo6w" --=-SuP8XQBfe3CvL2nmKo6w Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-MeALF6KPWl5PZSqhx51o" --=-MeALF6KPWl5PZSqhx51o Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 08:33 +0100, sean finney wrote: >=20 > i've attached a diff from yours to mine. you can ignore some of the > extra files that i have (skype, network-manager), but i see you have > some files that i don't. check to make sure they actually belong to a > package (dpkg -S filename), and if not try moving them to a safe place > 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alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 11315 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 14:37:19 -0000 Received: from [207.245.72.170] (HELO mawode.com) (207.245.72.170) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:37:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 22819 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Nov 2006 14:37:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:37:10 -0500 From: Walt Mankowski To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Basic unix pipe question Message-ID: <20061101143709.GC6686@mawode.com> References: <4547AB60.3010701@curdes.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Pie: peach User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1608808637==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1608808637== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0" Content-Disposition: inline --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 03:28:44PM -0500, George Gallen wrote: > you could also use tee >=20 > # program1 | tee program2 You could try that, but you'll find you'll still have the same buffering problem. I should know, I made exactly the same mistake a few days ago, and adding fflush(stdout) after each printf fixed it. :) Walt --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFSLEVXfGeK2entYQRAlMMAKCJAwOqMjlEBD4F1er8qYgTCYUh8ACfdQ1s lyjJs4iVMHzmX2UhHB2Z1RA= =OA6n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0-- --===============1608808637== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1608808637==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 15:24:45 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 18130 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 15:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 15:24:45 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 18091 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 15:24:42 -0000 Received: from [12.35.245.252] (HELO stamp.slackinc.com) (12.35.245.252) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:24:42 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [PLUG] Basic unix pipe question Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061101143709.GC6686@mawode.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PLUG] Basic unix pipe question Thread-Index: Acb9w55YVsdciLVAT12IvxuVIV7paQABhzYg From: "George Gallen" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I was thinking it was program2 that stalling the process, after I sent it I realized it was program1 where you said the problem = was. > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > [mailto:plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org]On Behalf Of Walt Mankowski > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:37 AM > To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Basic unix pipe question >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 03:28:44PM -0500, George Gallen wrote: > > you could also use tee > >=20 > > # program1 | tee program2 >=20 > You could try that, but you'll find you'll still have the same > buffering problem. I should know, I made exactly the same mistake a > few days ago, and adding fflush(stdout) after each printf fixed it. :) >=20 > Walt >=20 ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 15:25:10 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 18271 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 15:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 15:25:01 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 18212 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 15:24:51 -0000 Received: from [209.73.179.141] (HELO smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.141) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:24:51 -0500 Received: (qmail 3733 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 15:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.65?) (art.alexion@verizon.net@151.197.179.133 with plain) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 15:24:32 -0000 From: Art Alexion To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] After dist_upgrade, kubuntu system won't boot Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:23:01 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <20061007191843.52289.qmail@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200610310741.30920.art.alexion@verizon.net> <8e6f94720610312317nc9eda38qd28482fd7768458@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8e6f94720610312317nc9eda38qd28482fd7768458@mail.gmail.com> X-Face: (bP:h+dRW\UQ?yvMHu.P.yiTwg_9h$[F, t, b|0nj-#LNTplvd$9zmLf/1lD|H, =?utf-8?q?b=7C4*I118=0A=09=26sZL*ihxAjI-=26KwxaA=5CWG=26E!=23CI=5E?=@fF+&:>rS1}C(r7Izfdg$*Wb$9\6vw1L[%(i\"=?utf-8?q?xRB3=0A=09b=2Ep+W16=3F!i=5F?=(XYq>@jvtq"QKYJ9G8EQqVxnw@{Q]L)QLtM7aPy{H=?utf-8?q?M=0A=09=2E=2E6O8lJs?=>?OalracA=Y!$Y{4q':r%t$ft+)=?utf-8?q?=7CB=3FF=5BJzCf=0A=09nXyAp-O5=7EG=23y72mJ8=5E2HP2D7o=26/O=25oD?=(G}Fpv>Qh MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200611011023.54498.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: art.alexion@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0118311941==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0118311941== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart5314554.ZS0VTZ18VC"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart5314554.ZS0VTZ18VC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 01 November 2006 02:17, Will Dyson wrote: > On 10/31/06, Art Alexion wrote: > > Right. That is the problem. The script is 20hal. It starts hald. I > > attached it earlier. I don't think the script itself is the problem, > > though, because I can't start hal in daemonized mode even without the > > script. > > Hmm. If you run 'hald --daemon=3Dno' in a terminal, do the things that > depend on it start working? Like lshal, for example. That would be > strange if it did, I think. I don't know. > > So lets see what is going wrong with hald in daemonize mode. As > Stephen pointed out, strace takes an -f argument to follow children of > the traced program. Using it should reveal what is going on with it in > daemonize mode. > > # strace -f -o hald.strace -s 150 hald This command basically froze the terminal for a couple of hours until I kil= led=20 hald from another terminal. There was a resulting file, but it was over 13= =20 MB, so I ran it again to get this smaller file. Again, the attachment is=20 sent off-list. =2D-=20 _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion Arthur S. Alexion LLC PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for=20 alarm. 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On my unixshell account I am running Debian Linux with MySQL, Apache, Php4, and Exim4 You install whatever software you want using apt-get and it works fine. In the past there was some hardware problems with their raid but they fixed the problem. I hope that this helps and also saves you some money. > I am looking to get away from RHEL and rpm-hell, and find an Ubuntu host. > > Thanks. > > Shameel > > -- > shameel arafin | www.moqa.com > PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFB24C251 ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug - -- Rev. LeRoy D. 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(John 14:6) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Debian - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBRUjDfHlsxrSGsIsqAQLczhAArFwMOS5msehRyo9De2r/eRU67NtmxmTN zFa2yywKEvKP6h2uu3WljLjYDo2H3L9rSytbr41zwLpmX2+F/7ZXsede/6r3chxX 92zNcjpA7Wv0HAwr/RKzEsAaDYPCnoWvmON5YdeFG0fUgIGcEjaRfidEjpAlfxUe Yn2SRQOzLnlzAWpikSMuyWkH0AW+6iTmIjnQHi9/J1k6xjEsebetzW3klxEef31S zonwwY3qQ4kZIHKY4ZsPe/MR4c5lFLYZW/st0li030+1M50cBeY+fq5Vvx0HMFQT 3WLegofVadV9pihzm8Dsv0q1FnBEYcX8rCI0aZ7PWYHy1FOVyL4oTzUGucOMMQg1 J8IPB9wWL61aSNRq2cb/YUDAwixnjJRjbrylcI6gBjX6Hu60gNWAb35rdKFWwn7y ILwVeo31WeTJ1mHrhVWD+lwIyhHx5Kw1KxxoM9s4dI5ISQeMWLL0uT6HfMhfSXjs dvZ2QPqB3dZKt2bx8crnR3hOZ+WNcYL3PZAND2vjfXL+NGlTD0wyoq+/iQsaOxVu Z1mDRJHTuy1Ex4dTViVpftB/ewq2J6Nr8fJg5rv1bBrU7d1sLZMOuk/yuNmAiy8X ZnyJTykBYG8xYG6laRRFbDTDAo7xclNJ2StSXXZlVv2Tp8QqKVoyA2kno0mlv42C 7rnsmjVRHFE= =QSm4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 16:34:37 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 28695 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 16:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 16:34:36 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 28657 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 16:34:33 -0000 Received: from [66.92.55.190] (HELO pond.purple.com) (66.92.55.190) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:34:33 -0500 Received: from jeff by pond.purple.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GfJ2a-0007ix-LL for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:34:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:34:12 -0500 From: Jeff Abrahamson To: PLUG Message-ID: <20061101163412.GV5104@purple.com> Mail-Followup-To: PLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: [PLUG] wire, west philadephia X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1178470087==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1178470087== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EjUKZjov3T4fFoFJ" Content-Disposition: inline --EjUKZjov3T4fFoFJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I find myself needing to run a new wire for my DSL service. I used to have a spool of appropriate wire, but I thought I'd never need it again and so gave it away. ;-) Does anyone in the area have some wire around that I could use? I'm guessing I need about 60 feet or so. I'm asking in the hopes that others, like me except now, sometimes have spools of wire that they can't imagine finishing in the near future. Alternatively, I might be willing to trade a linksys 802.11g router for a linksys 802.11b or vice-versa. (I have one of each, which means I can't run a bridge. Drat.) Tia. --=20 Jeff Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B --EjUKZjov3T4fFoFJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFSMyEFr+MTA0drksRAkLTAKCPG2IuF2dEJtIFIw4FVNuOVg1SoACfaNT6 jPIunOlPmCAAmru1eRxEvNE= =hN3e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EjUKZjov3T4fFoFJ-- --===============1178470087== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1178470087==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 16:40:14 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 30036 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 16:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 16:40:13 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 29999 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 16:40:09 -0000 Received: from [12.35.245.252] (HELO stamp.slackinc.com) (12.35.245.252) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:40:09 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:39:54 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Should *nix system be wary of tomorrow? Thread-Index: Acb91FwmSomhWGCeRhms2JMCJfKPBg== From: "George Gallen" To: Subject: [PLUG] Should *nix system be wary of tomorrow? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1005803410==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1005803410== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6FDD4.5BEF0A31" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FDD4.5BEF0A31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable According to my calandar, tomorrow is the "Day of the Dead", at least = for Mexico. So will zombie processes take over my system tomorrow? George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division ggallen@slackinc.com ph:856.848.1000 Ext 220 SLACK Incorporated - Delivering the best in health care information and = education worldwide. http://www.slackinc.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FDD4.5BEF0A31 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Should *nix system be wary of tomorrow?

According to my calandar, tomorrow is = the "Day of the Dead", at least for Mexico.

So will zombie processes take over my = system tomorrow?

George = Gallen
Senior = Programmer/Analyst
Accounting/Data Division
ggallen@slackinc.com
ph:856.848.1000 Ext 220

SLACK = Incorporated - Delivering the best in health care information and = education worldwide.
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FDD4.5BEF0A31-- --===============1005803410== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1005803410==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 16:44:04 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 30938 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 16:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 16:44:04 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 30897 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 16:44:01 -0000 Received: from [66.92.55.190] (HELO pond.purple.com) (66.92.55.190) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:44:01 -0500 Received: from jeff by pond.purple.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GfJBr-0007pb-JN for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:43:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:43:47 -0500 From: Jeff Abrahamson To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Should *nix system be wary of tomorrow? Message-ID: <20061101164347.GZ5104@purple.com> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1138499053==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1138499053== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VAM/tfeJyUfWz6bO" Content-Disposition: inline --VAM/tfeJyUfWz6bO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 11:39:54AM -0500, George Gallen wrote: > [14 lines, 48 words, 369 characters] Top characters: oeatrinc >=20 > According to my calandar, tomorrow is the "Day of the Dead", at > least for Mexico. >=20 > So will zombie processes take over my system tomorrow? Only if you don't reap your children... It may also depend on TZ. --=20 Jeff Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B --VAM/tfeJyUfWz6bO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFSM7DFr+MTA0drksRAg1dAJ40oPpL34deJOAUrLqlgYI/drvs/wCeJ5+p GYHf8/bL/uiDYQhBov42SUE= =2QJ/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VAM/tfeJyUfWz6bO-- --===============1138499053== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1138499053==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 16:45:52 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 31724 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 16:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 16:45:43 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 31682 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 16:45:35 -0000 Received: from [12.35.245.252] (HELO stamp.slackinc.com) (12.35.245.252) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:45:35 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [PLUG] wire, west philadephia Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:45:24 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061101163412.GV5104@purple.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PLUG] wire, west philadephia Thread-Index: Acb91Ij7hZyMZgF+TYKoREE22cDmIAAACdYA From: "George Gallen" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org you are in luck.... But I won't be in your area if you live where you did a couple years ago...I'm in South Jersey. I have a box of 5e (apx 1000') that I bought to wire up the house a year or so ago, which has never happened. I have lots of wire I can spare. contact me off list if you want to try to arrange a a pickup spot. I'm going away for a week on Saturday, so it would have to sometime before that. George > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > [mailto:plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org]On Behalf Of Jeff=20 > Abrahamson > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:34 AM > To: PLUG > Subject: [PLUG] wire, west philadephia >=20 >=20 > I find myself needing to run a new wire for my DSL service. I used to > have a spool of appropriate wire, but I thought I'd never need it > again and so gave it away. ;-) >=20 > Does anyone in the area have some wire around that I could use? I'm > guessing I need about 60 feet or so. I'm asking in the hopes that > others, like me except now, sometimes have spools of wire that they > can't imagine finishing in the near future. >=20 > Alternatively, I might be willing to trade a linksys 802.11g router > for a linksys 802.11b or vice-versa. (I have one of each, which means > I can't run a bridge. Drat.) >=20 > Tia. >=20 > --=20 > Jeff >=20 > Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 > GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B >=20 ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 17:02:02 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 3058 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 17:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 17:02:01 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 3019 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 17:01:56 -0000 Received: from [207.7.107.205] (HELO alberni.textdrive.com) (207.7.107.205) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:01:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.21.200] (dsl092-054-170.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.54.170]) by alberni.textdrive.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34DFB27B7 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 17:00:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4548D2A5.609@darianpatrick.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:00:21 -0500 From: Darian Anthony Patrick User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060922) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PLUG Subject: Re: [PLUG] wire, west philadephia References: <20061101163412.GV5104@purple.com> In-Reply-To: <20061101163412.GV5104@purple.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I know someone at 44th and Walnut who probably has 60' of cable to sell you. I'll contact him and get back to you. Jeff Abrahamson wrote: > I find myself needing to run a new wire for my DSL service. I used to > have a spool of appropriate wire, but I thought I'd never need it > again and so gave it away. ;-) > > Does anyone in the area have some wire around that I could use? I'm > guessing I need about 60 feet or so. I'm asking in the hopes that > others, like me except now, sometimes have spools of wire that they > can't imagine finishing in the near future. > > Alternatively, I might be willing to trade a linksys 802.11g router > for a linksys 802.11b or vice-versa. (I have one of each, which means > I can't run a bridge. Drat.) > > Tia. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug - -- Darian Anthony Patrick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFSNKlKpzEXPWA4IcRAi/oAJoDam4NbNtC1JjR2DWL+8BwjkmyqACfQvgV 1215s/XHl0mEr89wJ2sEiVQ= =cT6U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 17:07:00 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 4896 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 17:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 17:06:56 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 4851 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 17:06:53 -0000 Received: from [64.233.182.186] (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.186) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:06:53 -0500 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c2so905737nfe for ; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:06:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=O0H+VXRNDlBGuaWglG4HB5gRXLncK1OkL6QUV+5tIvDZplXD/kfRjPNTymRMxkOkBtyWG/n6DJBSn4X6SGrW6PQsmUzBCzaUIA6srmJk08hRRT6Aveg7IkfaA1VBMcdZb232CxoWo/kqkv9UYATSaqdEzTPSNVKD/fK/fCzWy3U= Received: by 10.82.126.5 with SMTP id y5mr1556033buc; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.103.17 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:06:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <99b581bb0611010906w3a208bc6w63cb66a937880b0e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:06:45 -0500 From: "Randy Schmidt" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] wire, west philadephia In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061101163412.GV5104@purple.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f60583a46d3fd52b X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org If that doesn't work, I have a crap load as well. I work in KOP so between that and West Philly we could meet up and I could give you how ever much you need. Randy On 11/1/06, George Gallen wrote: > you are in luck.... > > But I won't be in your area if you live where you did > a couple years ago...I'm in South Jersey. > > I have a box of 5e (apx 1000') that I bought to wire up > the house a year or so ago, which has never happened. > I have lots of wire I can spare. > > contact me off list if you want to try to arrange a > a pickup spot. I'm going away for a week on Saturday, > so it would have to sometime before that. > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > > [mailto:plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org]On Behalf Of Jeff > > Abrahamson > > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:34 AM > > To: PLUG > > Subject: [PLUG] wire, west philadephia > > > > > > I find myself needing to run a new wire for my DSL service. I used to > > have a spool of appropriate wire, but I thought I'd never need it > > again and so gave it away. ;-) > > > > Does anyone in the area have some wire around that I could use? I'm > > guessing I need about 60 feet or so. I'm asking in the hopes that > > others, like me except now, sometimes have spools of wire that they > > can't imagine finishing in the near future. > > > > Alternatively, I might be willing to trade a linksys 802.11g router > > for a linksys 802.11b or vice-versa. (I have one of each, which means > > I can't run a bridge. Drat.) > > > > Tia. > > > > -- > > Jeff > > > > Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 > > GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Randy Schmidt x@altorg.com 267.334.6833 ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 20:21:26 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 367 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 20:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 20:21:25 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 332 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 20:21:22 -0000 Received: from [64.233.182.185] (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.185) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:21:22 -0500 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c2so967582nfe for ; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:21:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=rL19Ph8pyL54rHNfiSrZYxDp05vVoBmxD08ZsHZdpm8fBKT2fZ6kxUseBbbgjiqNgmIrbqu0vEifJWoKvCuElE7ZJeXEYqLCeHTJjZj7TZd9k/EYE/OJJmEyQ+NJ0uTMNH4w1SPN8hbl2Rvmy9Esz18YSFSsFX+MOlGKmViUKdM= Received: by 10.82.136.4 with SMTP id j4mr1660089bud; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.103.17 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:21:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <99b581bb0611011221y73fe3fe7peb34e60ac2773194@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:21:17 -0500 From: "Randy Schmidt" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 92c01cb65935326b Subject: [PLUG] gzip and CPU usage X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Hello! I have an install of mediawiki running on Ubuntu 6.04 which acts as a knowledge base within our company. In order to back it up, I have a script that runs every 2 hours that 1. Dumps the database 2. Copies the application and data 3. gzips it all 4. Moves the archive to another machine that gets backed up daily. I had it backing up the knowledge base once every hour but I noticed that zipping everything up took up too much CPU and made the knowledge base and another application take forever to respond. I have also noticed that gzip runs at random times (not specified in my crontab and not while a backup is happening) which has caused a large bottleneck. Any ideas how to locate what is causing gzip to run when I don't want it to and also is there a way to keep gzip from using up all of the cpu? Is there a way of limiting it? I don't care if it takes 10 times as long to create the archive. Thanks in advance! -- Randy Schmidt x@altorg.com 267.334.6833 ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 20:24:31 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 1198 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 20:24:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 20:24:30 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 1160 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 20:24:28 -0000 Received: from [64.233.182.188] (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.188) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:24:28 -0500 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c2so968496nfe for ; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:24:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kUQH+90s+BcbqOYiOkOILrdDLHGDi5zH/VRScozTOhT7lU1NISRCHpndaBufsqMvjiQeK0gepnmj67xx8WMnLvwUT87E60n3bh6RfF34atFlr9iGsKgXuxRkuajVNP1Yp4a/2nLGX4vbkmkjhoZDUj+aXFUvzPj6SWXUAOKa8Xk= Received: by 10.82.120.14 with SMTP id s14mr1666950buc; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.103.17 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:24:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <99b581bb0611011224v36ac9abfk58999dc4a1485c7b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:24:24 -0500 From: "Randy Schmidt" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <99b581bb0611011221y73fe3fe7peb34e60ac2773194@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <99b581bb0611011221y73fe3fe7peb34e60ac2773194@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 00332c25f459ce36 Subject: [PLUG] Re: gzip and CPU usage X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org One other thing, the gzip process I can't figure out is being run by root and the one that is from the backup script is being run by the normal user...if that wasn't obvious or if it matters. Thanks, Randy On 11/1/06, Randy Schmidt wrote: > Hello! > > I have an install of mediawiki running on Ubuntu 6.04 which acts as a > knowledge base within our company. In order to back it up, I have a > script that runs every 2 hours that > > 1. Dumps the database > 2. Copies the application and data > 3. gzips it all > 4. Moves the archive to another machine that gets backed up daily. > > I had it backing up the knowledge base once every hour but I noticed > that zipping everything up took up too much CPU and made the knowledge > base and another application take forever to respond. > > I have also noticed that gzip runs at random times (not specified in > my crontab and not while a backup is happening) which has caused a > large bottleneck. > > Any ideas how to locate what is causing gzip to run when I don't want > it to and also is there a way to keep gzip from using up all of the > cpu? Is there a way of limiting it? I don't care if it takes 10 times > as long to create the archive. > > Thanks in advance! > -- > Randy Schmidt > x@altorg.com > 267.334.6833 > -- Randy Schmidt x@altorg.com 267.334.6833 ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 20:26:05 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 1899 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 20:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 20:25:57 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 1839 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 20:25:49 -0000 Received: from [64.233.182.185] (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.185) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:25:49 -0500 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c2so968949nfe for ; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:25:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o2AIiXYnlrJgsA0xxjRix8uBBmLMnfVmVnyEljYdQGGGSNmoAjw7+YVTUVzbt7m2LHgUzWvBua1GhJ4HbwUOaSuaVh0tA2iyUl2q2MjL74M/wrwyvp/J0GxJG+CGRu1WIdVX73Nc3XH76T2wu9QYXBuuZfgPupEiUjeYrBBO57s= Received: by 10.82.126.19 with SMTP id y19mr1666658buc; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:25:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.172.9 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:25:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <367e1abe0611011225y24a2e3e3s109c3b4798133b5c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:25:45 -0500 From: "Douglas Muth" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] gzip and CPU usage In-Reply-To: <99b581bb0611011221y73fe3fe7peb34e60ac2773194@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <99b581bb0611011221y73fe3fe7peb34e60ac2773194@mail.gmail.com> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On 11/1/06, Randy Schmidt wrote: > > Any ideas how to locate what is causing gzip to run when I don't want > it to and also is there a way to keep gzip from using up all of the > cpu? Is there a way of limiting it? I don't care if it takes 10 times > as long to create the archive. Yes. To locate the gzip process, try using "ps afx" or simalar. The key thing is the "f" switch, which shows the "family" relationships between processes. You'll be able to see what process is calling gzip. For slowing it down, the "nice" command will probably help. I'd recommend checking out the manpage for nice. -- Doug ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Nov 01 22:44:01 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 20247 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 22:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2006 22:43:59 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 20205 invoked by uid 107); 1 Nov 2006 22:43:56 -0000 Received: from [64.233.162.206] (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.206) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 17:43:56 -0500 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id z3so1884554nzf for ; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:43:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=seQ2RLIYkgn78tpjjjEFLHLf3LABrrRfLvKmFpptmD8ft01bBmrj6DLxGjyfU/Yk7ij+v8i/p27d9ndgfNgDFKHeX68P5hp/N9VF8g1a3dVZ4S7nHTwZJ+gmLOpZmtiO3NcqkfBQpdyavkXDKN4JDG1v6fQxxEm5lu1Lg9sgnOE= Received: by 10.65.219.3 with SMTP id w3mr9819535qbq; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:43:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [71.242.196.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id f18sm1349328qba.2006.11.01.14.43.52; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:43:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45492321.2080609@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 17:43:45 -0500 From: Shameel Arafin Organization: moqa.com User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.7 (X11/20061013) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LeRoy Cressy Subject: Re: [PLUG] ubuntu dedicated servers -- recommendations References: <45439E99.6020805@gmail.com> <4548C37F.9040602@lrcressy.com> In-Reply-To: <4548C37F.9040602@lrcressy.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=FB24C251; url=http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFB24C251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: algebraist@gmail.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Leroy: I looked at unixshell, and their 512 plan (http://www.unixshell.com/plans.html) costs more than some dedicated servers I've seen. I am looking for a hosting solution for 2 web applications, one of which will be apache/mysql (Ajaxian MySQL connections) intensive, and the other will be CPU intensive (text-to-speech generation). So sharing a box with various other people is not so appealing to me. However, Xen virtualization servers do have their place, and I will keep unixshell in mind for other projects. Thanks for the suggestion, and to everyone else who suggested hosts. Although I haven't made a final decision, I am leaning towards rackmounted.com dedicated servers. S/ LeRoy Cressy wrote: > Shameel Arafin wrote: >>> Hello all. >>> >>> I am looking for a reliable hosting solution for a dedicated >>> server, which can run the following: --Ubuntu 6.06 LTS Dapper >>> Drake --Apache2 --MySQL 5 (CRITICAL) --PHP5 (CRITICAL) --root >>> shell access (CRITICAL) >>> >>> I have done some cursory searches, and have come up with the > following: >>> >>> http://www.m5hosting.com/ubuntu-dedicated-server.php >>> http://www.rackmounted.com/celerond.php http://www.vpslink.com/ >>> (NOT dedicated, they use virtualization) >>> >>> Want to know if anyone has any recommendations -- I am >>> currently paying $100/month for a dedicated server running >>> RHEL, Ensim, > PHP4 and >>> MySQL4. >>> > > Have you considered using a virtual server? > http://www.unixshell.com > > There are also other companies that will also give you your choice > of operating system and distribution. On my unixshell account I am > running Debian Linux with MySQL, Apache, Php4, and Exim4 > > You install whatever software you want using apt-get and it works > fine. In the past there was some hardware problems with their raid > but they fixed the problem. > > I hope that this helps and also saves you some money. > > >>> I am looking to get away from RHEL and rpm-hell, and find an > Ubuntu host. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Shameel >>> >>> -- shameel arafin | www.moqa.com PGP key: >>> http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFB24C251 > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General > Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > -- Rev. LeRoy D. Cressy mailto:leroy@lrcressy.com /\_/\ > http://lrcressy.com ( o.o ) Phone: 215-535-4037 > ^ > < FAX: 215-535-4285 > > gpg fingerprint: 62DE 6CAB CEE1 B1B3 359A 81D8 3FEF E6DA 8501 > AFEA > > For info on enigmail: http://lrcressy.com/linux/mozilla.pdf For > info on gpg: http://www.gnupg.org/ > > Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man > cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6) > > -- shameel arafin | www.moqa.com PGP key: > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFB24C251 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFSSMffa0lL/skwlERAuDuAJ9cHVogA/E5BwljJMioBrAnEViKnACgn6CZ 4QgHBAHAm2X2MJmlmQvkmDg= =0au4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Nov 02 00:05:16 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 31636 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2006 00:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Nov 2006 00:05:15 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 31605 invoked by uid 107); 2 Nov 2006 00:05:11 -0000 Received: from [66.92.55.190] (HELO pond.purple.com) (66.92.55.190) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:05:11 -0500 Received: from jeff by pond.purple.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GfQ4c-0000yl-Ma for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:04:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:04:46 -0500 From: Jeff Abrahamson To: PLUG Message-ID: <20061102000446.GB3663@purple.com> Mail-Followup-To: PLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: [PLUG] changing window manager X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0818818264==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0818818264== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5" Content-Disposition: inline --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm trying to change my window manager. It's not working. I'm trying to do it the right way, whatever that is, by using (debian testing) update-alternatives. But despite the below, when I authenticate to gdm, or when I run startx from the non-X command line, up comes my old wm, sawfish. On another machine where I tried this, the default wm is metacity, and the same problem presents. Google presents lots of articles on wm choice, but I haven't found any that address how to choose. I can fix the problem with a sludge hammer, putting the name of my preferred wm in ~/.Xsession. This all seems wrong, though, even update-alternatives. WM choice should be easily configured by the individual user. Anyone know how? krypton:/home/jeff# update-alternatives --config x-window-manager There are 2 alternatives which provide `x-window-manager'. Selection Alternative ----------------------------------------------- + 1 /usr/bin/sawfish * 2 /usr/bin/ratpoison Press enter to keep the default[*], or type selection number: 2 Using `/usr/bin/ratpoison' to provide `x-window-manager'. krypton:/home/jeff# update-alternatives --display x-window-manager x-window-manager - status is manual. link currently points to /usr/bin/ratpoison /usr/bin/sawfish - priority 70 slave x-window-manager.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/sawfish.1.gz /usr/bin/ratpoison - priority 20 slave x-window-manager.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/ratpoison.1.gz Current `best' version is /usr/bin/sawfish. krypton:/home/jeff#=20 --=20 Jeff Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFSTYeFr+MTA0drksRAs5rAKCbtblBw3vWdjQCxDdoCKCogJivgwCgndcq Wk6fXjciQlcjWbQvgM5jqZQ= =Y+aj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5-- --===============0818818264== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0818818264==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Nov 02 00:15:20 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 677 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2006 00:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Nov 2006 00:15:19 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 637 invoked by uid 107); 2 Nov 2006 00:15:16 -0000 Received: from [207.245.72.170] (HELO mawode.com) (207.245.72.170) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:15:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 5419 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Nov 2006 00:15:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:15:07 -0500 From: Walt Mankowski To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] changing window manager Message-ID: <20061102001507.GA4412@mawode.com> References: <20061102000446.GB3663@purple.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20061102000446.GB3663@purple.com> X-Pie: pecan User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1477360203==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1477360203== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0" Content-Disposition: inline --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 07:04:46PM -0500, Jeff Abrahamson wrote: > I'm trying to change my window manager. It's not working. I'm trying > to do it the right way, whatever that is, by using (debian testing) > update-alternatives. But despite the below, when I authenticate to > gdm, or when I run startx from the non-X command line, up comes my old > wm, sawfish. On another machine where I tried this, the default wm is > metacity, and the same problem presents. >=20 > Google presents lots of articles on wm choice, but I haven't found any > that address how to choose. >=20 > I can fix the problem with a sludge hammer, putting the name of my > preferred wm in ~/.Xsession. This all seems wrong, though, even > update-alternatives. WM choice should be easily configured by the > individual user. Anyone know how? Do you maybe have it in ~/.xinitrc? It's probably not The Right Way, but it's how I start the window manager on my box... Walt --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFSTiLXfGeK2entYQRAnQSAJ9bNJ1+eT0ctrs2shUC4ifUqtsKgACfcUht 7qKQWQm1rBHIeFhz5Sc0f7A= =FruL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0-- --===============1477360203== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1477360203==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Nov 02 00:23:59 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 2018 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2006 00:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Nov 2006 00:23:59 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 1981 invoked by uid 107); 2 Nov 2006 00:23:55 -0000 Received: from [82.71.90.98] (HELO mail.lobefin.net) (82.71.90.98) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:23:55 -0500 Received: from lobefin.net ([82.71.90.97] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by mail.lobefin.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1GfQEF-000324-1D for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:14:43 +0000 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.50) id 1GfQN0-0000fN-EU for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:23:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:23:46 +0000 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] changing window manager Message-ID: <20061102002346.GA672@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <20061102000446.GB3663@purple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20061102000446.GB3663@purple.com> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.8-3-686-smp i686 X-Uptime: 105 days X-Latin: Hodie postridie Kalendas Octobres MMDCCLIX ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Sweetmorn, the 14th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3172 X-DDate: Only 2430570 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. 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X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Authenticated-Sender: steve X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.88.5/2143 on mail.lobefin.net; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:14:43 +0000 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0016654088==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0016654088== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KsGdsel6WgEHnImy" Content-Disposition: inline --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 07:04:46PM -0500, Jeff Abrahamson said: > I'm trying to change my window manager. It's not working. I'm trying > to do it the right way, whatever that is, by using (debian testing) > update-alternatives. But despite the below, when I authenticate to > gdm, or when I run startx from the non-X command line, up comes my old > wm, sawfish. On another machine where I tried this, the default wm is > metacity, and the same problem presents. >=20 > Google presents lots of articles on wm choice, but I haven't found any > that address how to choose. >=20 > I can fix the problem with a sludge hammer, putting the name of my > preferred wm in ~/.Xsession. This all seems wrong, though, even > update-alternatives. WM choice should be easily configured by the > individual user. Anyone know how? >=20 > krypton:/home/jeff# update-alternatives --config x-window-manager >=20 > There are 2 alternatives which provide `x-window-manager'. >=20 > Selection Alternative > ----------------------------------------------- > + 1 /usr/bin/sawfish > * 2 /usr/bin/ratpoison >=20 > Press enter to keep the default[*], or type selection number: 2 > Using `/usr/bin/ratpoison' to provide `x-window-manager'. > krypton:/home/jeff# update-alternatives --display x-window-manager > x-window-manager - status is manual. > link currently points to /usr/bin/ratpoison > /usr/bin/sawfish - priority 70 > slave x-window-manager.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/sawfish.1.gz > /usr/bin/ratpoison - priority 20 > slave x-window-manager.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/ratpoison.1.gz > Current `best' version is /usr/bin/sawfish. > krypton:/home/jeff#=20 The alternatives system is just a symlink farm, and it looks like you've got it configured correctly (use readlink -e /usr/bin/x-window-manager to make sure). For the alternatives to work, something has to try to exec a program named x-window-manager. I am not sure anything actually ever calls x-window-manager, though, so that may be where this plan is falling apart. Are you running gnome-session? If so, there really is no choice at all but to (kill $(pidof $current_wm) && exec $new_wm). I could grumble about gnome's decision to use gconf and the similarity to windows registry, but I'll stop there. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | A subversive is anyone who can out- | | steve@lobefin.net | argue their government. | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFSTqSSYIMHOpZA44RApgMAJ0evkrKhXAmAJXOEDvo2zWyrqqUBACdF2j4 +K5TELM60xGvuvBKanWNAfk= =Oeqt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy-- --===============0016654088== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0016654088==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Nov 02 00:33:19 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 3627 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2006 00:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Nov 2006 00:33:18 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 3589 invoked by uid 107); 2 Nov 2006 00:33:16 -0000 Received: from [131.106.3.1] (HELO usenix.org) (131.106.3.1) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:33:16 -0500 Received: from [131.106.3.41] (tuvix.usenix.org [131.106.3.41]) by usenix.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kA20X5ZD029553 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:33:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45493CC1.9010909@usenix.org> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:33:05 -0800 From: Lionel Garth Jones User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Macintosh/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/2143/Wed Nov 1 14:03:47 2006 on voyager.usenix.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [PLUG] Top 5 Reasons to Attend LISA '06 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Top 5 Reasons to Attend LISA '06 LISA '06 is just around the corner. 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Early Bird Registration Deadline: November 10, 2006 Sponsored by USENIX and SAGE ----------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Nov 02 00:33:30 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 3708 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2006 00:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Nov 2006 00:33:29 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 3663 invoked by uid 107); 2 Nov 2006 00:33:21 -0000 Received: from [66.92.55.190] (HELO pond.purple.com) (66.92.55.190) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:33:21 -0500 Received: from jeff by pond.purple.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GfQW3-00015E-MZ for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:33:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:33:07 -0500 From: Jeff Abrahamson To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] changing window manager Message-ID: <20061102003307.GC3663@purple.com> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <20061102000446.GB3663@purple.com> <20061102002346.GA672@www.lobefin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20061102002346.GA672@www.lobefin.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2033162119==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============2033162119== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS" Content-Disposition: inline --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 12:23:46AM +0000, Stephen Gran wrote: > The alternatives system is just a symlink farm, and it looks like > you've got it configured correctly (use readlink -e > /usr/bin/x-window-manager to make sure). >=20 > For the alternatives to work, something has to try to exec a program > named x-window-manager. I am not sure anything actually ever calls > x-window-manager, though, so that may be where this plan is falling > apart. Are you running gnome-session? If so, there really is no > choice at all but to (kill $(pidof $current_wm) && exec $new_wm). Sawfish somehow magically relaunches itself, even when it is parented to init. The Gnome folks have done more than one thing like Windows. ;-) Thanks (and to Walt): .xinitrc was, indeed, specifying gnome-session, which is very insistent about launching a window manager that it likes. Supposedly other wm's can coexist with gnome, but it's not obvious. Also non-obvious is what gnome does for me, so it's maybe a wash. > I could grumble about gnome's decision to use gconf and the > similarity to windows registry, but I'll stop there. You had to know it was coming, though, when they decided that .net and C# would look good with linux-y lipstick. ;-) --=20 Jeff Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFSTzDFr+MTA0drksRAnYzAJsGZmFcljTHmTaDfUdRlLfq+Sb8VgCcCf5o qVvPcmUFS7k4oNvPcU31X+Q= =eciR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS-- --===============2033162119== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============2033162119==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Nov 02 01:12:29 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 10088 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2006 01:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Nov 2006 01:12:28 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 10058 invoked by uid 107); 2 Nov 2006 01:12:25 -0000 Received: from [66.92.55.190] (HELO pond.purple.com) (66.92.55.190) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:12:25 -0500 Received: from jeff by pond.purple.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GfR7i-0001AY-GZ for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:12:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:12:02 -0500 From: Jeff Abrahamson To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] changing window manager Message-ID: <20061102011202.GA4410@purple.com> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <20061102000446.GB3663@purple.com> <20061102002346.GA672@www.lobefin.net> <20061102003307.GC3663@purple.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20061102003307.GC3663@purple.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2138735530==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============2138735530== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="opJtzjQTFsWo+cga" Content-Disposition: inline --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 07:33:07PM -0500, Jeff Abrahamson wrote: > Thanks (and to Walt): .xinitrc was, indeed, specifying > gnome-session, which is very insistent about launching a window > manager that it likes. Supposedly other wm's can coexist with > gnome, but it's not obvious. Also non-obvious is what gnome does > for me, so it's maybe a wash. And, it turns out, I had to shut off not only gdm but xdm as well. Both run gnome before I have a chance to launch my preferred wm du jour. --=20 Jeff Jeff Abrahamson +1 215/837-2287 GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFSUXiFr+MTA0drksRAmfNAJ97h10YvvVDRRGGe31cdn43VaWbEwCfdvmS xXUe83Zh+8ZRfoO+YDA4fZA= =L/2p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga-- --===============2138735530== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============2138735530==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Nov 02 04:35:01 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 1350 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2006 04:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Nov 2006 04:35:00 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 1311 invoked by uid 107); 2 Nov 2006 04:34:57 -0000 Received: from [66.249.82.237] (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.237) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:34:57 -0500 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s14so31080wxc for ; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:34:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PRqJNB+5PCFuIYJYl3Q6XcxMJp+CxbHfrQfDUSCz6bYKHFhFxL2ttO7OijpfAajlSfbYW4727zx34DJujB9tpCeCmNdKM8+VcnGrjyJm5DXBejKFtLlDcKSDcm4b2x8IFPr2+7EbagTixokXz0Mcp3CKYbN2scxAv6OkerJVY0Y= Received: by 10.70.47.19 with SMTP id u19mr10897235wxu; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:34:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [71.242.196.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i33sm2224201wxd.2006.11.01.20.34.54; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:34:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45497568.9000101@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:34:48 -0500 From: Shameel Arafin Organization: moqa.com User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.7 (X11/20061013) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List , Jeff Abrahamson Subject: Re: [PLUG] changing window manager References: <20061102000446.GB3663@purple.com> <20061102002346.GA672@www.lobefin.net> <20061102003307.GC3663@purple.com> <20061102011202.GA4410@purple.com> In-Reply-To: <20061102011202.GA4410@purple.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=FB24C251; url=http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFB24C251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: algebraist@gmail.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Something wrong with your gdm settings -- gdm lets me choose which wm I want, under the Options or Session button. Never tried Sawfish. I highly recommend Fluxbox. Ratpoison I've read about, but... I like my Logitech trackball ;) S/ Jeff Abrahamson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 07:33:07PM -0500, Jeff Abrahamson wrote: >> Thanks (and to Walt): .xinitrc was, indeed, specifying >> gnome-session, which is very insistent about launching a window >> manager that it likes. Supposedly other wm's can coexist with >> gnome, but it's not obvious. Also non-obvious is what gnome does >> for me, so it's maybe a wash. > > And, it turns out, I had to shut off not only gdm but xdm as well. > Both run gnome before I have a chance to launch my preferred wm du > jour. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General > Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > - -- shameel arafin | www.moqa.com PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFB24C251 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFSXVlfa0lL/skwlERAgIzAJ4rK+Tn0nmZVRThnA2ntzHDYaYLjwCfTivH IgpJB37/tTZx4LSbSbDEESQ= =1gU/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Nov 02 07:07:55 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 20034 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2006 07:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Nov 2006 07:07:55 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 19997 invoked by uid 107); 2 Nov 2006 07:07:52 -0000 Received: from [66.93.22.232] (HELO cobija.connexer.com) (66.93.22.232) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 02:07:52 -0500 Received: from h-81-170-234-204.NA.cust.bahnhof.se (h-81-170-234-204.NA.cust.bahnhof.se [81.170.234.204]) by cobija.connexer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC6317C414 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 02:07:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [PLUG] changing window manager From: sean finney To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <20061102002346.GA672@www.lobefin.net> References: <20061102000446.GB3663@purple.com> <20061102002346.GA672@www.lobefin.net> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 08:07:34 +0100 Message-Id: <1162451254.31936.4.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1660542169==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1660542169== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-58ClmmCfQKf9xWfXO6Jx" --=-58ClmmCfQKf9xWfXO6Jx Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 00:23 +0000, Stephen Gran wrote: > For the alternatives to work, something has to try to exec a program > named x-window-manager. I am not sure anything actually ever calls > x-window-manager, though, so that may be where this plan is falling > apart. Are you running gnome-session? If so, there really is no choice > at all but to (kill $(pidof $current_wm) && exec $new_wm). at one of the labs where i have to work, they provide only a crappy gnome-based redhat desktop, which i have no control over. they used to have a "custom xsession" option which would defer to .Xsession, but they took that away over the summer for some reason. *but*, if you pay attention to what goes in in /etc/X11, you'll find that there are some config files that are unconditionally sourced if they exist. for example, on the redhat system a file called ~/.xprofile is sourced, so i slipped in an "exec /path/to/fluxbox", and everything went well from there :) similarly on debian systems i think there are a couple files you can probably abuse similarly, you just gotta poke around a bit. sean --=-58ClmmCfQKf9xWfXO6Jx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFSZk2ynjLPm522B0RAiGQAJwNwmF8aBvzRMNRcvvpclGjZTNefACfdQsj xFbX2ZCYW5t4u+wo3nrBAfs= =wNa3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-58ClmmCfQKf9xWfXO6Jx-- --===============1660542169== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1660542169==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Nov 02 14:12:15 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 11079 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2006 14:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Nov 2006 14:12:13 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 11036 invoked by uid 107); 2 Nov 2006 14:12:10 -0000 Received: from [166.84.1.74] (HELO mail3.panix.com) (166.84.1.74) by mail.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:12:10 -0500 Received: from panix3.panix.com (panix3.panix.com [166.84.1.3]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F2C13A88B for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gsf@localhost) by panix3.panix.com (8.11.6p3/8.8.8/PanixN1.1) id kA2EBqD03746 for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:11:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:11:52 -0500 From: Gabriel Farrell To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] changing window manager Message-ID: <20061102141152.GB11634@panix.com> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <20061102000446.GB3663@purple.com> <20061102002346.GA672@www.lobefin.net> <20061102003307.GC3663@purple.com> <20061102011202.GA4410@purple.com> <45497568.9000101@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45497568.9000101@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 11:34:48PM -0500, Shameel Arafin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Something wrong with your gdm settings -- gdm lets me choose which wm > I want, under the Options or Session button. > Same here -- gdm should let you choose a wm. > Never tried Sawfish. I highly recommend Fluxbox. Ratpoison I've read > about, but... I like my Logitech trackball ;) > If you're still open to trying out new ones after this mess, I highly recommend xfce -- it's been good to me. gabe > S/ > > Jeff Abrahamson wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 07:33:07PM -0500, Jeff Abrahamson wrote: > >> Thanks (and to Walt): .xinitrc was, indeed, specifying > >> gnome-session, which is very insistent about launching a window > >> manager that it likes. Supposedly other wm's can coexist with > >> gnome, but it's not obvious. Also non-obvious is what gnome does > >> for me, so it's maybe a wash. > > > > And, it turns out, I had to shut off not only gdm but xdm as well. > > Both run gnome before I have a chance to launch my preferred wm du > > jour. > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Nov 02 16:58:31 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 670 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2006 16:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Nov 2006 16:58:30 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 627 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Nov 2006 16:58:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:58:26 -0500 From: "Michael C. 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It's not working. I'm trying > to do it the right way, whatever that is, by using (debian testing) > update-alternatives. ... > I can fix the problem with a sludge hammer, putting the name of my > preferred wm in ~/.Xsession. This all seems wrong, though, even > update-alternatives. WM choice should be easily configured by the > individual user. Anyone know how? > > krypton:/home/jeff# update-alternatives --config x-window-manager I think the problem is: x-session-manager overrides x-window-manager If you link /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager to /dev/null (or otherwise decomission it) that should negate its effects while still maintaining the ability to switch back to gnome or KDE using the update-alternatives command. The other option would be to remove gnome-session, ksmserver, and xfce4-session which should remove anything that x-session-manager would point to. Austin ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Nov 02 17:55:40 2006 Return-Path: