From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Aug 01 10:57:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 31286 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 10:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 10:57:36 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 31251 invoked by uid 107); 1 Aug 2007 10:57:34 -0000 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 06:57:34 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so208627uge for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:57:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=VF9Vqaw4HSAxTy3KHzMVX7f/Unp0kM7AvZ96PqUk2m+EkZlvpsz30QHp4smnuWIQ+Kh/C9zfe9810hjfoPmQO1Arq1xgzc7sJW3bSGv8Vn3UnXXEKvq1V/B1tRM6c1I/MPaj/NbpIYlN0F8W0Ve1VluphC3bB6ll1bjhhA0damE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=X4sZ3I2km0lASBDqKZdM8ORzeKyeATRwbgtoyQkbPgF5R+H8AiLIlU7HiJPE/4Tz1bvD+fBLsAR03zYbthU/4+1EzigpFekrLSyqDv7ex3mmv3h8KUMVX3lu4xTKKhb/EKgoZREiKpY03WPhWCxPs32WAjdQifMHXeF3Vj6x6bQ= Received: by 10.78.156.6 with SMTP id d6mr141873hue.1185965852088; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.196.17 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 03:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 06:57:32 -0400 From: "K.S. Bhaskar" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] topic for a talk In-Reply-To: <20070801033914.GA5045@mars.solarsys.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20070801033914.GA5045@mars.solarsys.private> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6f72d6d59ecac4c6 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0761453161==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0761453161== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37359_19267462.1185965852063" ------=_Part_37359_19267462.1185965852063 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, please. Thank you. -- Bhaskar On 7/31/07, Mark M. Hoffman wrote: > > Hi: > > The last couple evenings (among other things) I've been playing with a > tool > called PowerTOP (http://www.linuxpowertop.org/)... > > > Getting your computer to use the least amount of power can be > problematic. > > This site provides information on reducing power usage, tips, and tricks > for > > Intel-based computers running Linux*. > > > > As a first step, Intel is releasing PowerTOP, a tool that helps you find > what > > software is using the most power. By fixing (or closing) these > applications or > > processes, you can immediately see the power savings in the tool. You'll > also > > see the estimated time left for battery power if you are running a > laptop. The > > Tips&Tricks page has fixes for a lot of the issues that are already > found. Join > > our mailing list to participate in this effort to get Linux to use less > power. > > There are claims of people increasing their laptop battery life by 1 hour > or > more with the help of this tool. Would anyone be interested in a > talk/demo? > > Regards, > > -- > Mark M. Hoffman > mhoffman@lightlink.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ------=_Part_37359_19267462.1185965852063 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, please.  Thank you.

-- Bhaskar

On 7/31/07, Mark M. Hoffman <mhoffman@lightlink.com> wrote:
Hi:

The last couple evenings (among other things) I've been playing with a tool
called PowerTOP (http://www.linuxpowertop.org/)...

> Getting your computer to use the least amount of power can be problematic.
> This site provides information on reducing power usage, tips, and tricks for
> Intel-based computers running Linux*.
>
> As a first step, Intel is releasing PowerTOP, a tool that helps you find what
> software is using the most power. By fixing (or closing) these applications or
> processes, you can immediately see the power savings in the tool. You'll also
> see the estimated time left for battery power if you are running a laptop. The
> Tips&Tricks page has fixes for a lot of the issues that are already found. Join
> our mailing list to participate in this effort to get Linux to use less power.

There are claims of people increasing their laptop battery life by 1 hour or
more with the help of this tool.  Would anyone be interested in a talk/demo?

Regards,

--
Mark M. Hoffman
mhoffman@lightlink.com

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------=_Part_37359_19267462.1185965852063-- --===============0761453161== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0761453161==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Aug 01 12:49:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 10398 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 12:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 12:49:02 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 10362 invoked by uid 107); 1 Aug 2007 12:48:58 -0000 Received: from mail.mike-leone.com (HELO mail.mike-leone.com) (216.158.26.254) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:48:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mike-leone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEB91C22C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:48:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.2 (20060627) (Debian testing) at mike-leone.com Received: from mail.mike-leone.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mike-leone.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id z2SbM-lOCby3 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (main-station.mike-leone.com [10.0.0.50]) by mail.mike-leone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4591C0F0 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:48:43 -0400 From: Mike Leone User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] Upgrading Debian testing from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org SO I never got around to upgrading my home server (running Debian testing) from kernel 2.4 to 2.6. Then today I did some upgrades, and - not paying too much attention - didn't realize that one of the things I told it to upgrade requires libc6 for kernel 2.6.x. So now it won't install this version of libc6, without a kernel 2.6. I tried to tell it to install linux-image-2.6.21, figuring that would get me a kernel 2.6 machine. But of course, the kernel 2.6 won't install, since apt-get is trying to install libc6 first (which is failing). So how do I fix this? I'd like to get to kernel 2.6.21, *then* install the simple updates I was trying for (I was trying to upgrade aptitude to the latest version, when I screwed myself over this way). Any help appreciated. The system (which is my mail server) is running, and I won't reboot it (or touch it ... :-)) until I can get this resolved. Thanks ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Aug 01 13:31:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 14780 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 13:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 13:31:43 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 14738 invoked by uid 107); 1 Aug 2007 13:31:40 -0000 Received: from mout.perfora.net (HELO mout.perfora.net) (74.208.4.195) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:31:40 -0400 Received: from [151.197.48.90] (helo=[192.168.0.240]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1IGEIO1H7f-0005my; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:31:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [PLUG] Upgrading Debian testing from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 From: Antony P Joseph To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> References: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:30:26 -0400 Message-Id: <1185975027.8120.44.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18jY/aikx52M4Q9v227yEXUzg2JurjnaOFmAvj /AQk0AuRCeBeVPPrIl6AlVj5yBiIsnipZuLWOuqXpk+BqvNdzP D+VTFTNN1DwYanf06DWg0FFMWHSriaU X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Hi Please try the force option of dpkg. It may work. With regards Antony On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 08:48 -0400, Mike Leone wrote: > SO I never got around to upgrading my home server (running Debian > testing) from kernel 2.4 to 2.6. Then today I did some upgrades, and - > not paying too much attention - didn't realize that one of the things I > told it to upgrade requires libc6 for kernel 2.6.x. > > > > So now it won't install this version of libc6, without a kernel 2.6. I > tried to tell it to install linux-image-2.6.21, figuring that would get > me a kernel 2.6 machine. But of course, the kernel 2.6 won't install, > since apt-get is trying to install libc6 first (which is failing). > > So how do I fix this? I'd like to get to kernel 2.6.21, *then* install > the simple updates I was trying for (I was trying to upgrade aptitude to > the latest version, when I screwed myself over this way). > > Any help appreciated. The system (which is my mail server) is running, > and I won't reboot it (or touch it ... :-)) until I can get this resolved. > > Thanks > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Aug 01 13:33:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 16758 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 13:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 13:33:52 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 16586 invoked by uid 107); 1 Aug 2007 13:33:27 -0000 Received: from mail.lobefin.net (HELO mail.lobefin.net) (91.103.132.26) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:33:27 -0400 Received: from lobefin.net ([91.103.132.25] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by mail.lobefin.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IGEKI-0007DE-9n for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:33:22 +0100 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IGEKI-0001Se-NO for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:33:22 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:33:22 +0100 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Upgrading Debian testing from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 Message-ID: <20070801133322.GA2178@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.18-4-686 i686 X-Uptime: 17 days X-Latin: Hodie Kalendis Augustis MMDCCLX ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Pungenday, the 67th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3173 X-DDate: Only 2430298 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. All Hail Discordia! X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Authenticated-Sender: steve X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.91.1/3846 on mail.lobefin.net; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:33:22 +0100 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0199220528==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0199220528== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD" Content-Disposition: inline --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 08:48:43AM -0400, Mike Leone said: > SO I never got around to upgrading my home server (running Debian=20 > testing) from kernel 2.4 to 2.6. Then today I did some upgrades, and -=20 > not paying too much attention - didn't realize that one of the things I= =20 > told it to upgrade requires libc6 for kernel 2.6.x. >=20 > >=20 > So now it won't install this version of libc6, without a kernel 2.6. I=20 > tried to tell it to install linux-image-2.6.21, figuring that would get= =20 > me a kernel 2.6 machine. But of course, the kernel 2.6 won't install,=20 > since apt-get is trying to install libc6 first (which is failing). >=20 > So how do I fix this? I'd like to get to kernel 2.6.21, *then* install=20 > the simple updates I was trying for (I was trying to upgrade aptitude to= =20 > the latest version, when I screwed myself over this way). >=20 > Any help appreciated. The system (which is my mail server) is running,=20 > and I won't reboot it (or touch it ... :-)) until I can get this resolved. apt will be preventing the kernel install because some of the helper tools will have been built against this version of the c library, and dependencies are making them uninstallable. You basically have 3 choices: Grab older versions of the helper tools from snapshot.debian.net and then install a 2.6 kernel. The should be things like module-init-tools, initramfs-tools, and so on. Downgrade libc6. dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.5.something=20 may work, although you may need to force downgrade several other packages at the same time. Drop in a hand build kernel, reboot into it, and then retry the upgade. Good luck, --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | Ask not what's inside your head, but | | steve@lobefin.net | what your head's inside of. -- J. J. | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | Gibson | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGsIuiSYIMHOpZA44RAn6lAJ9Bsot8UDRIGYPUTFizY51Sow1G1ACgtUTv 8ZTTxJ6p/pErQktajV9w03k= =1RWn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD-- --===============0199220528== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0199220528==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Aug 01 21:55:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 11299 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 21:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 21:55:33 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 11263 invoked by uid 107); 1 Aug 2007 21:55:29 -0000 Received: from mail.mike-leone.com (HELO mail.mike-leone.com) (216.158.26.254) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:55:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mike-leone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5311C22C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:54:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.2 (20060627) (Debian testing) at mike-leone.com Received: from mail.mike-leone.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mike-leone.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id cGfCk6KO6ge7 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.mike-leone.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0E24D1C0F0; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:54:34 -0400 From: Mike Leone To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Upgrading Debian testing from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 Message-ID: <20070801215433.GQ7880@localhost> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> <20070801133322.GA2178@www.lobefin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070801133322.GA2178@www.lobefin.net> X-PGP-Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF X-PGP-Key: X-URL: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: turgon@mike-leone.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Stephen Gran (steve@lobefin.net) had this to say on 08/01/07 at 09:35: > On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 08:48:43AM -0400, Mike Leone said: > > SO I never got around to upgrading my home server (running Debian > > testing) from kernel 2.4 to 2.6. Then today I did some upgrades, and - > > not paying too much attention - didn't realize that one of the things I > > told it to upgrade requires libc6 for kernel 2.6.x. > > > > > > > > So now it won't install this version of libc6, without a kernel 2.6. I > > tried to tell it to install linux-image-2.6.21, figuring that would get > > me a kernel 2.6 machine. But of course, the kernel 2.6 won't install, > > since apt-get is trying to install libc6 first (which is failing). > > > > So how do I fix this? I'd like to get to kernel 2.6.21, *then* install > > the simple updates I was trying for (I was trying to upgrade aptitude to > > the latest version, when I screwed myself over this way). > > > > Any help appreciated. The system (which is my mail server) is running, > > and I won't reboot it (or touch it ... :-)) until I can get this resolved. > > apt will be preventing the kernel install because some of the helper > tools will have been built against this version of the c library, and > dependencies are making them uninstallable. You basically have 3 > choices: > > Grab older versions of the helper tools from snapshot.debian.net and > then install a 2.6 kernel. The should be things like module-init-tools, > initramfs-tools, and so on. Is there a list of all the "and so on"? :-) > Downgrade libc6. dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.5.something > may work, although you may need to force downgrade several other > packages at the same time. I did do a "dpkg -i " libc6_2.3, and it said it installed. However, apt-get -f install still wants to install libc6_2.6.21. > > Drop in a hand build kernel, reboot into it, and then retry the upgade. I did try to install linux-image-2.6.21, but it is complaining about an initrd-image, which I haven't downloaded. If I try and download one, and then do a "dpkg -i" on both linux-image and initrd-image, and reboot ... will it boot? I wouldn't have libc6-2.6 installed (yet), since I would do that after booting linux-image-2.6.21. Isn't that a Catch-22? > > Good luck, > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Stephen Gran | Ask not what's inside your head, but | > | steve@lobefin.net | what your head's inside of. -- J. J. | > | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | Gibson | > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Aug 01 23:37:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 22341 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 23:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 23:37:40 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 22271 invoked by uid 107); 1 Aug 2007 23:37:36 -0000 Received: from mail.lobefin.net (HELO mail.lobefin.net) (91.103.132.26) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:37:36 -0400 Received: from lobefin.net ([91.103.132.25] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by mail.lobefin.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IGNkt-0001uw-Ax for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:37:27 +0100 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IGNkw-0000MU-0y for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:37:30 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 00:37:29 +0100 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Upgrading Debian testing from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 Message-ID: <20070801233729.GA30442@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> <20070801133322.GA2178@www.lobefin.net> <20070801215433.GQ7880@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20070801215433.GQ7880@localhost> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.18-4-686 i686 X-Uptime: 18 days X-Latin: Hodie postridie Kalendas Augustas MMDCCLX ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 68th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3173 X-DDate: Only 2430297 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. All Hail Discordia! X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Authenticated-Sender: steve X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.91.1/3846 on mail.lobefin.net; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:37:27 +0100 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0583442000==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0583442000== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP" Content-Disposition: inline --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 05:54:34PM -0400, Mike Leone said: > Stephen Gran (steve@lobefin.net) had this to say on 08/01/07 at 09:35:=20 > >=20 > > apt will be preventing the kernel install because some of the helper > > tools will have been built against this version of the c library, and > > dependencies are making them uninstallable. You basically have 3 > > choices: > >=20 > > Grab older versions of the helper tools from snapshot.debian.net and > > then install a 2.6 kernel. The should be things like module-init-tools, > > initramfs-tools, and so on. >=20 > Is there a list of all the "and so on"? :-) I was imagining that you could get pretty close by combining the output=20 of apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 or whatever with the output of=20 `grep-dctrl -P linux-image-2.6.18-4-powerpc -s Package,Depends \ /var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.lobefin.net_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-power= pc_Packages` Salt to taste for your arch and sources.list. > > Downgrade libc6. dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.5.something= =20 > > may work, although you may need to force downgrade several other > > packages at the same time. >=20 > I did do a "dpkg -i " libc6_2.3, and it said it installed. However, apt-g= et > -f install still wants to install libc6_2.6.21.=20 That means that apt thinks the simplest solution is to upgrade it, which is a bit of a pain. =20 You really only have two ways out of this: you'll have to fool apt for a bit into thinking that all conflicts are straightened out, or you need to get the new libc6 installed by using a kernel outside of the packaging system. > > Drop in a hand build kernel, reboot into it, and then retry the upgade. >=20 > I did try to install linux-image-2.6.21, but it is complaining about an > initrd-image, which I haven't downloaded. If I try and download one, and > then do a "dpkg -i" on both linux-image and initrd-image, and reboot ... > will it boot? I wouldn't have libc6-2.6 installed (yet), since I would do > that after booting linux-image-2.6.21. Isn't that a Catch-22? There is no initrd package - initrd (or INITial Ram Disks) are constructed on the fly at install time in Debian kernels. If it can't make an initrd, then you won't reboot with a Debian kernel. I really think you may have to build a static monolithic kernel by hand - the initrd tools, now that I think about it, are going to have a tough time just figuring out what modules to include when you're running a 2.4 kernel. Just copy /boot/config-something-recent to .config in the kernel sources, run make oldconfig, and then make config to trim it down and get rid of ram disk expectations. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | Studies prove that research | | steve@lobefin.net | causes cancer in 43% of laboratory | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | rats knghtbrd- yeah, but 78% of | | | those statistics are off by 52%... | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGsRk5SYIMHOpZA44RAkc+AKDDLcxaS0QYD2yBO2dELe5VCLmPbwCeLPqf BFwMt01vmBOSb/pG/fOSrjU= =AOKh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP-- --===============0583442000== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0583442000==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Aug 02 00:38:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 28445 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 00:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 00:38:50 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 28410 invoked by uid 107); 2 Aug 2007 00:38:47 -0000 Received: from mail.mike-leone.com (HELO mail.mike-leone.com) (216.158.26.254) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 20:38:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mike-leone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B231C22C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:38:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.2 (20060627) (Debian testing) at mike-leone.com Received: from mail.mike-leone.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mike-leone.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 7Npp-jS5jds0 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.38] (unknown [10.0.0.38]) by mail.mike-leone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0281C0F0 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46B12785.9090707@mike-leone.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 20:38:29 -0400 From: Mike Leone User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Upgrading Debian testing from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 References: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> <20070801133322.GA2178@www.lobefin.net> <20070801215433.GQ7880@localhost> <20070801233729.GA30442@www.lobefin.net> In-Reply-To: <20070801233729.GA30442@www.lobefin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Stephen Gran wrote: > You really only have two ways out of this: you'll have to fool apt for > a bit into thinking that all conflicts are straightened out, or you > need to get the new libc6 installed by using a kernel outside of the > packaging system. Uh huh. By downloading the latest kernel-headers and kernel-source and compiling my self? >>> Drop in a hand build kernel, reboot into it, and then retry the upgade. >> I did try to install linux-image-2.6.21, but it is complaining about an >> initrd-image, which I haven't downloaded. If I try and download one, and >> then do a "dpkg -i" on both linux-image and initrd-image, and reboot ... >> will it boot? I wouldn't have libc6-2.6 installed (yet), since I would do >> that after booting linux-image-2.6.21. Isn't that a Catch-22? > > There is no initrd package - initrd (or INITial Ram Disks) are > constructed on the fly at install time in Debian kernels. If it can't > make an initrd, then you won't reboot with a Debian kernel. Oh, goodie.:-) > I really think you may have to build a static monolithic kernel by hand - the > initrd tools, now that I think about it, are going to have a tough time > just figuring out what modules to include when you're running a 2.4 > kernel. Just copy /boot/config-something-recent to .config in the > kernel sources, run make oldconfig, and then make config to trim it down > and get rid of ram disk expectations. It's been so durn long since I made a kernel by hand (that's what packaging systems are for ... at least for home users ...), that I'm drawing a blank on the steps. I remember the make oldconfig ... now I'll have to go dig up the rest of the manual kernel compile and install steps, with grub ... the fun! :-) Hopefully, when I reboot, and choose the new 2.6 kernel, it'll boot. If not, hopefully it will boot it the (running) 2.4.27. Will it, do you think? ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Aug 02 03:46:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 14862 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 03:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 03:46:25 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 14825 invoked by uid 107); 2 Aug 2007 03:46:22 -0000 Received: from mpv4.TIS.CWRU.Edu (HELO mpv4.tis.cwru.edu) (129.22.105.34) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:46:22 -0400 Received: from mpv5.tis.cwru.edu (mpv5.TIS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.105.51]) by mpv4.tis.cwru.edu (MOS 3.8.2-GA) with ESMTP id CCQ58543 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from v129-22-124-50.vclient.cwru.edu (v129-22-124-50.VCLIENT.CWRU.Edu [129.22.124.50]) by mpv5.tis.cwru.edu (MOS 3.8.3-GA) with ESMTP id BWW18073 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:46:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Rosewarne To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Upgrading Debian testing from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:45:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> <20070801233729.GA30442@www.lobefin.net> <46B12785.9090707@mike-leone.com> In-Reply-To: <46B12785.9090707@mike-leone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200708012346.09109.mukidohime@case.edu> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/49, host=mpv4.tis.cwru.edu X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090204.46B1538B.0007,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=129.22.105.51, so=2006-09-22 03:48:54, dmn=5.3.14/2007-05-31 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0161813835==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0161813835== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2503398.qhIdYQnATv"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart2503398.qhIdYQnATv Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Wouldn't it be far easier just to use a livecd based on stable? Whereas 2.= 4=20 was phased out for testing, stable still has all the packages for both=20 versions. --nextPart2503398.qhIdYQnATv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGsVOBLE8yW/+QbWIRAsvVAJ0RUg3KrSDKFqTK7Ml5Fviirsr6gACeMD6R WtFHfZQc0eAFBGLdXlCDmTY= =8cIb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2503398.qhIdYQnATv-- --===============0161813835== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0161813835==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Aug 02 09:26:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 26222 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 09:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 09:26:47 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 26157 invoked by uid 107); 2 Aug 2007 09:26:44 -0000 Received: from mail.lobefin.net (HELO mail.lobefin.net) (91.103.132.26) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 05:26:44 -0400 Received: from lobefin.net ([91.103.132.25] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by mail.lobefin.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IGWx3-0005Oz-Dg for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 10:26:37 +0100 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IGWx3-0006tK-Uz for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 10:26:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 10:26:37 +0100 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Upgrading Debian testing from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 Message-ID: <20070802092637.GA23748@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> <20070801133322.GA2178@www.lobefin.net> <20070801215433.GQ7880@localhost> <20070801233729.GA30442@www.lobefin.net> <46B12785.9090707@mike-leone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <46B12785.9090707@mike-leone.com> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.18-4-686 i686 X-Uptime: 18 days X-Latin: Hodie postridie Kalendas Augustas MMDCCLX ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 68th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3173 X-DDate: Only 2430297 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. Frink! X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Authenticated-Sender: steve X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.91.1/3846 on mail.lobefin.net; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 10:26:37 +0100 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0552443702==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0552443702== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 08:38:29PM -0400, Mike Leone said: > Hopefully, when I reboot, and choose the new 2.6 kernel, it'll boot. If= =20 > not, hopefully it will boot it the (running) 2.4.27. Will it, do you thin= k? So long as you haven't messed with the running kernel or it's initrd, you should be able to boot back into the running kernel and be no worse off. For building a kernel with make-kpkg and so on: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html Good luck, --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | I am just a nice, clean-cut Mongolian | | steve@lobefin.net | boy. -- Yul Brynner, 1956 | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGsaNNSYIMHOpZA44RAj6nAJ971wa+qkAyz5vwSUxqNbrOoGZ1UwCgoOQ7 zkaFfWp6dkAnkRAlDQFq2eo= =8qtq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- --===============0552443702== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0552443702==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Aug 02 18:34:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 3958 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 18:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 18:34:55 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 3916 invoked by uid 107); 2 Aug 2007 18:34:50 -0000 Received: from smtp.jpsdomain.org (HELO smtp.jpsdomain.org) (66.92.238.114) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:34:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.99.121] (unknown [192.168.99.121]) by smtp.jpsdomain.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66E57C8020 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46B2238E.8050600@jpsdomain.org> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:33:50 -0400 From: JP Vossen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] OT: Comcast Biz? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I host my own mail/web/DNS/etc. Debian server at my house on a Covad/Speakeasy iDSL (0.144/0.144) line. The link is rock solid, but expensive for being so slow. I also have regular Comcast and 15/2 residential FiOS. I work from home and require access, so dual links are needed, but three is getting silly. I could upgrade to Biz FiOS, which I've heard good things about (relatively speaking since both Verizon and Comcast kinda suck), but my 15/2 is working well and I'm hesitant to mess with it. * Is anyone hosting stuff on Comcast Biz? * How long have you had it? * Any outages? * What speed/service do you have? How much (~ $100)? (I'm in Collegeville, PA) * How many static IPAs? Did you have to pay extra for them? * Any issues with getting them to do reverse DNS? (e.g. IPA points to smtp.jpsdomain.org, without which some anti-spam will trigger) * Any issues with blocked ports or other stupid stuff? * Would you recommend it? Since Comcast usually can't do DNS to save their lives I'll use OpenDNS or something for my outgoing DNS requests, but they obviously must handle reverse lookups on my mail server. Thanks, JP ----------------------------|:::======|------------------------------- JP Vossen, CISSP |:::======| jp{at}jpsdomain{dot}org My Account, My Opinions |=========| http://www.jpsdomain.org/ ----------------------------|=========|------------------------------- Microsoft has single-handedly nullified Moore's Law. Innate design flaws of Windows make a personal firewall, anti-virus and anti-malware software mandatory. The resulting software arms race has effectively flattened Moore's Law on hardware running Windows. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Aug 02 21:42:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 24488 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 21:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 21:42:28 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 24453 invoked by uid 107); 2 Aug 2007 21:42:25 -0000 Received: from lax-green-bigip-5.dreamhost.com (HELO friskymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com) (208.113.200.5) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:42:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.170] (c-69-249-160-170.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [69.249.160.170]) by friskymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C405F5A6 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46B24F86.4000600@jadoba.net> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:41:26 -0400 From: James Barrett User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070607) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] is there an audience for linux matrix? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org For those who do not know, a matrix is a dynamic comparison chart. All the facts are presented and people made decisions instead of having others make them for them. Visit http://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/MediaWiki+MoinMoin for an example. I want to create linuxmatrix, but I question whether anyone would think such a thing would be at all useful, or even necessary. I would take the idea of wikimatrix, adapt it ti linux distributions and improve upon it. The points which should be compared seem fairly obvious to me. A few would be the availability of a gui installation, which kernel version is installed by default (if there are multiple options, which ones are available), what package systems are used, the number of packages available, and so on. Visitors to the site would find a list (or even a cloud) of linux distros with check boxes next to them. They would select which distributions to evaluate, click the compare button and be sent to a page with all pertinent information listed side-by-side for them. I spoke to a few people, and they liked the idea, so I registered linuxmatrix.org. Does this project interest any of you who might be reading this? I am still learning PHP, and know enough to be able to piece parts of code together from other projects, however my skill set is stronger with CSS and making things look elegant and unique. I have the hosting taken care of for now. My question is, would anyone reading this like to assist in the development of linuxmatrix.org (even by simply giving suggestions)? -James ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Aug 02 22:04:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 26978 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 22:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 22:04:20 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 26942 invoked by uid 107); 2 Aug 2007 22:04:17 -0000 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.179) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:04:17 -0400 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so684193wah for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:04:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:from:subject:date:importance:x-priority:to:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:message-id; b=PWuZufl4t60vABRS/KCReORalEFyO07Ha08hzGH5g91HnFWUxXwZ9WplJF7Sk1MW/sH6Q/fCqFckKoBnYQeszfvBnd4N6fxmo1DU1BkBsIEYvcfgqdv0KTYe+1mVN2ezCWbR/pw+0vYKNTAsqgRknXrB4uYn62GfJCWEpg48AcA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:from:subject:date:importance:x-priority:to:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:message-id; b=QExjyw27fUUo5kfoG6s9SNECm6ysBLO25GTSnyb4Gp/n7zHqTa14OqviG6rQJB5C48eQ1zOxon65Ijuv6F1nF75JUpb32wDOcDJNgQG8MDB2NIJCJJlg8BYqa20H2OwuwzFAVz0CxY1xsyHXBjNDStd5q4MEgczCSLBvsby98mE= Received: by 10.115.33.1 with SMTP id l1mr2305699waj.1186092253331; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from Inbox ( [32.133.228.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n38sm3549441wag.2007.08.02.15.04.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:04:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Shameel Arafin Subject: RE: [PLUG] is there an audience for linux matrix? Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:04:11 -0400 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <46b254dc.26d7720a.57fa.7eee@mx.google.com> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org James: I'm a PHP guy, and this sounds like something I'd like to be involved with. S/ -----Original Message----- From: "James Barrett" To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Sent: 8/2/2007 17:41 Subject: [PLUG] is there an audience for linux matrix? For those who do not know, a matrix is a dynamic comparison chart. All=20 the facts are presented and people made decisions instead of having=20 others make them for them. Visit http://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/MediaWiki+MoinMoin for an example. [truncated by sender]= ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Aug 02 22:55:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 32582 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 22:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 22:55:35 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 32546 invoked by uid 107); 2 Aug 2007 22:55:32 -0000 Received: from mail.mike-leone.com (HELO mail.mike-leone.com) (216.158.26.254) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:55:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mike-leone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700B21C22C for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:54:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.2 (20060627) (Debian testing) at mike-leone.com Received: from mail.mike-leone.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mike-leone.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id LXxzjUTMPVsJ for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.38] (unknown [10.0.0.38]) by mail.mike-leone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D581C0F0 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46B260D7.6010202@mike-leone.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:55:19 -0400 From: Mike Leone User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Upgrading Debian testing from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 References: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> <20070801133322.GA2178@www.lobefin.net> <20070801215433.GQ7880@localhost> <20070801233729.GA30442@www.lobefin.net> <46B12785.9090707@mike-leone.com> <20070802092637.GA23748@www.lobefin.net> In-Reply-To: <20070802092637.GA23748@www.lobefin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Stephen Gran wrote: > On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 08:38:29PM -0400, Mike Leone said: >> Hopefully, when I reboot, and choose the new 2.6 kernel, it'll boot. If >> not, hopefully it will boot it the (running) 2.4.27. Will it, do you think? > > So long as you haven't messed with the running kernel or it's initrd, > you should be able to boot back into the running kernel and be no worse > off. Don't think I've done anything to the running kernel, or removed any initrd packages ... > > For building a kernel with make-kpkg and so on: > http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html I'm old school. :-) Downloaded the kernel source; did a make menuconfig; then make clean; make modules; make modules_install; make install. Edit grub boot menu; grub-update. Cross fingers; reboot. :-) Since this is my mail server, I'll either be back on the list later tonight, or re-sub from a gmail address ... (then again, I probably should try the kernel-pkg route ....) Thanks -- "a grotesque mixture of incompetence and sycophancy shielded by a genial personality" ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Aug 03 02:45:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21465 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2007 02:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Aug 2007 02:45:43 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21430 invoked by uid 107); 3 Aug 2007 02:45:40 -0000 Received: from mail.mike-leone.com (HELO mail.mike-leone.com) (216.158.26.254) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:45:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mike-leone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC001C0F3 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:45:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.2 (20060627) (Debian testing) at mike-leone.com Received: from mail.mike-leone.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mike-leone.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id qrrNOz5SbhOb for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.38] (unknown [10.0.0.38]) by mail.mike-leone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0251C0F1 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46B296C3.8080404@mike-leone.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:45:23 -0400 From: Mike Leone User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Upgrading Debian testing from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 References: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> <20070801133322.GA2178@www.lobefin.net> <20070801215433.GQ7880@localhost> <20070801233729.GA30442@www.lobefin.net> <46B12785.9090707@mike-leone.com> <20070802092637.GA23748@www.lobefin.net> <46B260D7.6010202@mike-leone.com> In-Reply-To: <46B260D7.6010202@mike-leone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mike Leone wrote: > Stephen Gran wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 08:38:29PM -0400, Mike Leone said: >>> Hopefully, when I reboot, and choose the new 2.6 kernel, it'll boot. >>> If not, hopefully it will boot it the (running) 2.4.27. Will it, do >>> you think? >> >> So long as you haven't messed with the running kernel or it's initrd, >> you should be able to boot back into the running kernel and be no worse >> off. > > Don't think I've done anything to the running kernel, or removed any > initrd packages ... > >> >> For building a kernel with make-kpkg and so on: >> http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html > > I'm old school. :-) Downloaded the kernel source; did a make menuconfig; > then make clean; make modules; make modules_install; make install. Edit > grub boot menu; grub-update. Cross fingers; reboot. :-) > > Since this is my mail server, I'll either be back on the list later > tonight, or re-sub from a gmail address ... > > (then again, I probably should try the kernel-pkg route ....) And it all worked. Took a long while to go thru all the new options on 2.6 (forgot to include my NIC card the first time I compiled :-)), but I did get it to boot into 2.6.21 correctly. At that point, it was easy to do a "apt-get -f install" and finish the upgrade. Then I used aptitude to upgrade the other important bits (postfix, samba, etc). Thanks for all the help! > > Thanks > > -- "a grotesque mixture of incompetence and sycophancy shielded by a genial personality" ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Aug 03 03:49:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 27317 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2007 03:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Aug 2007 03:49:38 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 27280 invoked by uid 107); 3 Aug 2007 03:49:35 -0000 Received: from beck.quonix.net (HELO beck.quonix.net) (146.145.66.90) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:49:35 -0400 Received: from mailgw.quonix.net (mailgw.quonix.net [208.72.236.15]) by beck.quonix.net (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l733nYoD001550 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 23:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (pool-71-255-97-65.phlapa.east.verizon.net [71.255.97.65]) by mailgw.quonix.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l733jNGi031795 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 23:45:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46B2238E.8050600@jpsdomain.org> References: <46B2238E.8050600@jpsdomain.org> Message-Id: <0F20D680-2005-4E74-AD7C-78E1CFECC842@essenz.com> From: John Von Essen Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Comcast Biz? Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 23:49:27 -0400 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0) X-Spam-Score: -0.40 () [Hold at 5.00] HTML_MESSAGE, PORN_RP_SUCK, QUONIX_FRIENDLY, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-CanItPRO-Stream: plug (inherits from default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 3239786 - d871a895f61d (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 208.72.236.15 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0542452133==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0542452133== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13--500145950 --Apple-Mail-13--500145950 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed JP, How important is your server and its function? If it is important, and you could get it into a 1U rack chassis, you could colocate the server in a datacenter. My company, Quonix Networks, does 1U colo packages for as little as $75 per month. That includes 1U of rackspace, power, and bandwidth. At a minimum, you get a /29 public subnet (6 usable IP addresses). High-end business-class DSL or Cable is close to $75, so its not that far off price wise. Any the benefits are much better colocated in a datacenter. 100Mb burstable connectivity, redundant cooling and power, solid forward and reverse DNS offerings, etc.,. And the datacenter is local to Philly Metro. Also is much better for running a mail server, alot of people still dock you with some negative points when your MTA is on a DSL IP block, or Comcast IP range - even though you have business class service. Just something to consider.... http://www.quonix.net/ent/colocation.php -John Von Essen On Aug 2, 2007, at 2:33 PM, JP Vossen wrote: > I host my own mail/web/DNS/etc. Debian server at my house on a > Covad/Speakeasy iDSL (0.144/0.144) line. The link is rock solid, > but expensive for being so slow. I also have regular Comcast and > 15/2 residential FiOS. I work from home and require access, so > dual links are needed, but three is getting silly. > > I could upgrade to Biz FiOS, which I've heard good things about > (relatively speaking since both Verizon and Comcast kinda suck), > but my 15/2 is working well and I'm hesitant to mess with it. > > * Is anyone hosting stuff on Comcast Biz? > * How long have you had it? > * Any outages? > * What speed/service do you have? How much (~ $100)? (I'm in > Collegeville, PA) > * How many static IPAs? Did you have to pay extra for them? > * Any issues with getting them to do reverse DNS? (e.g. IPA points > to smtp.jpsdomain.org, without which some anti-spam will trigger) > * Any issues with blocked ports or other stupid stuff? > * Would you recommend it? > > Since Comcast usually can't do DNS to save their lives I'll use > OpenDNS or something for my outgoing DNS requests, but they > obviously must handle reverse lookups on my mail server. > > Thanks, > JP > ----------------------------|:::======|------------------------------- > JP Vossen, CISSP |:::======| jp{at}jpsdomain{dot}org > My Account, My Opinions |=========| http://www.jpsdomain.org/ > ----------------------------|=========|------------------------------- > Microsoft has single-handedly nullified Moore's Law. > Innate design flaws of Windows make a personal firewall, anti-virus > and anti-malware software mandatory. The resulting software arms race > has effectively flattened Moore's Law on hardware running Windows. > ______________________________________________________________________ > _____ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http:// > www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug- > announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/ > listinfo/plug John Von Essen (john@essenz.com) President, Essenz Consulting www.essenz.com --Apple-Mail-13--500145950 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 JP,

How important is your = server and its function?

If it is important, and you = could get it into a 1U rack chassis, you could colocate the server in a = datacenter.

My = company, Quonix Networks, does 1U colo packages for as little as $75 per = month. That includes 1U of rackspace, power, and bandwidth. At a = minimum, you get a /29 public subnet (6 usable IP = addresses).

High-end business-class DSL = or Cable is close to $75, so its not that far off price wise. Any the = benefits are much better colocated in a datacenter. 100Mb burstable = connectivity, redundant cooling and power, solid forward and reverse DNS = offerings, etc.,. And the datacenter is local to Philly Metro. Also is = much better for running a mail server, alot of people still dock you = with some negative points when your MTA is on a DSL IP block, or Comcast = IP range - even though you have business class service.

Just something to = consider.... http://www.quonix.net/en= t/colocation.php


-John Von = Essen


On Aug 2, 2007, = at 2:33 PM, JP Vossen wrote:

I host my own mail/web/DNS/etc. Debian server at my = house on a Covad/Speakeasy iDSL (0.144/0.144) line.=A0 The link is rock solid, but = expensive for being so slow.=A0 = I also have regular Comcast and 15/2 residential FiOS.=A0 I work from home and require = access, so dual links are needed, but three is getting silly.

I could = upgrade to Biz FiOS, which I've heard good things about (relatively = speaking since both Verizon and Comcast kinda suck), but my 15/2 is = working well and I'm hesitant to mess with it.

* Is = anyone hosting stuff on Comcast Biz?
* How long = have you had it?
* Any outages?
* What speed/service do you have?=A0 How much (~ $100)?=A0 (I'm in Collegeville, = PA)
* How many static IPAs?=A0 Did you have to pay extra for = them?
* Any issues with getting them = to do reverse DNS? (e.g. IPA points to smtp.jpsdomain.org, without which = some anti-spam will trigger)
* Any issues = with blocked ports or other stupid stuff?
* Would = you recommend it?

Since Comcast usually can't do DNS to save their = lives I'll use OpenDNS or something for my outgoing DNS requests, but = they obviously must handle reverse lookups on my mail server.

JP
JP Vossen, CISSP=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = |:::=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|=A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 jp{at}jpsdomain{dot}org
My = Account, My Opinions =A0 =A0 = |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|=A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.jpsdomain.org/
Microsoft has single-handedly = nullified Moore's Law.
Innate design flaws of = Windows make a personal firewall, anti-virus
and anti-malware software mandatory. The resulting = software arms race
has effectively flattened = Moore's Law on hardware running Windows.
Philadelphia Linux Users Group = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.phillylinux.org
Announcements - http:= //lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce
=

John Von Essen (john@essenz.com)

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= --Apple-Mail-13--500145950-- --===============0542452133== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0542452133==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Aug 03 05:31:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 9353 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2007 05:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Aug 2007 05:31:10 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 9300 invoked by uid 107); 3 Aug 2007 05:31:07 -0000 Received: from smtp.jpsdomain.org (HELO smtp.jpsdomain.org) (66.92.238.114) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 01:31:07 -0400 Received: from [192.168.99.121] (unknown [192.168.99.121]) by smtp.jpsdomain.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEBB7C8020 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 01:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46B2BD63.4000101@jpsdomain.org> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 01:30:11 -0400 From: JP Vossen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Comcast Biz? References: <20070803035058.61C5B7C8020@smtp.jpsdomain.org> In-Reply-To: <20070803035058.61C5B7C8020@smtp.jpsdomain.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > From: John Von Essen > Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Comcast Biz? > > How important is your server and its function? Personal mail, web, etc. Important, but not critical or career threatening. :-) > If it is important, and you could get it into a 1U rack chassis, you > could colocate the server in a datacenter. It's already in a 1U Dell PE 350. > My company, Quonix Networks, does 1U colo packages for as little as > $75 per month. That includes 1U of rackspace, power, and bandwidth. > At a minimum, you get a /29 public subnet (6 usable IP addresses). > > High-end business-class DSL or Cable is close to $75, so its not that > far off price wise. True, but I have to have two links anyway, so this would be "in addition to," not "instead of"... > Any the benefits are much better colocated in a > datacenter. 100Mb burstable connectivity, redundant cooling and > power, solid forward and reverse DNS offerings, etc.,. And the > datacenter is local to Philly Metro. Also is much better for running > a mail server, alot of people still dock you with some negative > points when your MTA is on a DSL IP block, or Comcast IP range - even > though you have business class service. > > Just something to consider.... > http://www.quonix.net/ent/colocation.php I am considering it, and I've added you to my list of colos to think about. My main concern is that this is *also* my local IMAP server, and I like IMAP at LAN speeds and I'm not sure I want to give that up. I also don't feel that much like messing with any of the various methods I'd need to use to encrypt said IMAP connections. And I'm enough of a control freak to like having the server sitting 10' from me. I'd considered a colo'd virtual server (my latest uptime reads load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 :) which is cheaper that hosting the physical box but still has the same issue, plus new ones. Anyway, this is good info to have, so thanks for the reply, JP ----------------------------|:::======|------------------------------- JP Vossen, CISSP |:::======| jp{at}jpsdomain{dot}org My Account, My Opinions |=========| http://www.jpsdomain.org/ ----------------------------|=========|------------------------------- Microsoft has single-handedly nullified Moore's Law. Innate design flaws of Windows make a personal firewall, anti-virus and anti-malware software mandatory. The resulting software arms race has effectively flattened Moore's Law on hardware running Windows. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Aug 03 10:14:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 25261 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2007 10:13:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Aug 2007 10:13:15 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 25226 invoked by uid 107); 3 Aug 2007 10:13:07 -0000 Received: from mail.lobefin.net (HELO mail.lobefin.net) (91.103.132.26) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 06:13:07 -0400 Received: from lobefin.net ([91.103.132.25] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by mail.lobefin.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IGu9R-0007ws-3K for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:12:57 +0100 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IGu9R-0006h4-MA for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:12:57 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:12:57 +0100 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Upgrading Debian testing from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 Message-ID: <20070803101257.GC15439@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> <20070801133322.GA2178@www.lobefin.net> <20070801215433.GQ7880@localhost> <20070801233729.GA30442@www.lobefin.net> <46B12785.9090707@mike-leone.com> <20070802092637.GA23748@www.lobefin.net> <46B260D7.6010202@mike-leone.com> <46B296C3.8080404@mike-leone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <46B296C3.8080404@mike-leone.com> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.18-4-686 i686 X-Uptime: 19 days X-Latin: Hodie postridie Kalendas Augustas MMDCCLX ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 68th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3173 X-DDate: Only 2430297 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. Hail Eris! X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Authenticated-Sender: steve X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.91.1/3849 on mail.lobefin.net; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:12:57 +0100 X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0838990235==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0838990235== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/Uq4LBwYP4y1W6pO" Content-Disposition: inline --/Uq4LBwYP4y1W6pO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 10:45:23PM -0400, Mike Leone said: > And it all worked. Took a long while to go thru all the new options on=20 > 2.6 (forgot to include my NIC card the first time I compiled :-)), but I= =20 > did get it to boot into 2.6.21 correctly. At that point, it was easy to= =20 > do a "apt-get -f install" and finish the upgrade. Then I used aptitude=20 > to upgrade the other important bits (postfix, samba, etc). >=20 > Thanks for all the help! Good to hear. This is going to be a slightly painful transition for users of testing, and we do (as a distro) need to find some way to make it clearer that you must upgrade the kernel before more people get into this situation. If you, or other PLUGgers, have any ideas, I'll be happy to forward them - I'm afraid our glibc team has a few members who aren't always receptive to constructive criticism, but I'll happily yell at them for people . Take care, --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | If it is a Miracle, any sort of | | steve@lobefin.net | evidence will answer, but if it is a | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | Fact, proof is necessary. -- Samuel | | | Clemens | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --/Uq4LBwYP4y1W6pO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGsv+pSYIMHOpZA44RAhmBAKC6ZUYy10UBFQF8js3iY4ZO6TIr7QCguZ+b h+cZO4ORyuau3DBfw4SmzbA= =Ehpt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/Uq4LBwYP4y1W6pO-- --===============0838990235== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0838990235==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Aug 03 14:46:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21564 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2007 14:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Aug 2007 14:46:42 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21526 invoked by uid 107); 3 Aug 2007 14:46:31 -0000 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.238) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:46:31 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 60so317056wri for ; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 07:46:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GszPg0wdW3vuLWljbbExkk8jAWYUDsS8PU48hVs4cztY5ELE3Bh/M0CT9DrwuX144d0es4MspKRaP/ghPq/NMkDRURjagdOYAL8zZxpoJvv0wqD7o9O972V+vAETSAzXzafRcljOdJzIJfcHUDgTl+SHap47AThjMXx4JIArx0c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=n8/Owse2klHHLW8s7HDUkv6tazmQ4MRovqZpJECiToH58cwglqJP01w+ZgkkrHBlrqTAQoxLYuQX0rdme8tXT3zIEKUr/sgg1Ufy8UYKMC2AkXkkAb+8wTrKAHA38tOwYZOWuNguqTHj4R4mfBi6KBEBKDqVKhBu+wImQH3Q+WA= Received: by 10.90.34.3 with SMTP id h3mr3084757agh.1186152390493; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 07:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.58.2 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 07:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1cbd6f830708030746j3cba0295xcba3a0b2d76f3f9d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:46:30 -0400 From: "Mag Gam" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Subject: Re: [PLUG] is there an audience for linux matrix? In-Reply-To: <46b254dc.26d7720a.57fa.7eee@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <46b254dc.26d7720a.57fa.7eee@mx.google.com> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0493473441==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0493473441== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_83212_10586118.1186152390447" ------=_Part_83212_10586118.1186152390447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions On 8/2/07, Shameel Arafin wrote: > > James: > > I'm a PHP guy, and this sounds like something I'd like to be involved > with. > > S/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: "James Barrett" > To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org > Sent: 8/2/2007 17:41 > Subject: [PLUG] is there an audience for linux matrix? > > For those who do not know, a matrix is a dynamic comparison chart. All > the facts are presented and people made decisions instead of having > others make them for them. > > Visit http://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/MediaWiki+MoinMoin for an example. > > > [truncated by sender] > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ------=_Part_83212_10586118.1186152390447 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
 
 


 
On 8/2/07, Shameel Arafin <algebraist@gmail.com> wrote:
James:

I'm a PHP guy, and this sounds like something I'd like to be involved with.

S/

-----Original Message-----
From: "James Barrett" <jadoba@jadoba.net>
To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org
Sent: 8/2/2007 17:41
Subject: [PLUG] is there an audience for linux matrix?

For those who do not know, a matrix is a dynamic comparison chart.  All
the facts are presented and people made decisions instead of having
others make them for them.

Visit http://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/MediaWiki+MoinMoin for an example.


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------=_Part_83212_10586118.1186152390447-- --===============0493473441== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0493473441==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Aug 03 15:33:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 27338 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2007 15:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Aug 2007 15:33:48 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 27303 invoked by uid 107); 3 Aug 2007 15:33:46 -0000 Received: from lax-green-bigip-5.dreamhost.com (HELO friskymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com) (208.113.200.5) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:33:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.170] (c-69-249-160-170.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [69.249.160.170]) by friskymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42AE5F566 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46B34AD2.1080706@jadoba.net> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:33:38 -0400 From: James Barrett User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070607) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] is there an audience for linux matrix? References: <46b254dc.26d7720a.57fa.7eee@mx.google.com> <1cbd6f830708030746j3cba0295xcba3a0b2d76f3f9d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1cbd6f830708030746j3cba0295xcba3a0b2d76f3f9d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mag Gam wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions What linuxmatrix will do is similar to that, but more efficiently and even more in-depth. It will be easier to compare only the distributions one wants to compare, and it will allow someone to do so with more features in which to evaluate. Currently, with wikipedia's structure there is no way to view only the ones you want to compare and leave the rest. Additionally, wikipedia's list does not inform about more advanced things such as each distro's init structure, available versions of standard system tools such as iptables, where binaries are installed by the package manager or the version of the default desktop environment. There would be a section dealing only with live distributions. Wikipedia's live Linux CD content is trivial at best: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_LiveDistros -James ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Aug 03 23:04:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 10487 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2007 23:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Aug 2007 23:04:32 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 10451 invoked by uid 107); 3 Aug 2007 23:04:28 -0000 Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (HELO smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.141) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:04:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 91692 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2007 23:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rodney) (art.alexion@verizon.net@151.199.255.112 with plain) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2007 23:04:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GQAREpAVM1koq5jEZ8L5Fw3xSPkRjEmxjM.nTIit9Moz7OkrPavQWYgVYLkRueQnHxvufsNOif9jXFw78TAvJd68t.UjHhUovRcQvDh0dClybwoAfL6RzPsCYmpojvk- From: Art Alexion To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] invisible Thunderbirds? Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:04:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <46A41712.3000803@op.net> In-Reply-To: <46A41712.3000803@op.net> X-Face: "5; RQ"NcC5W[%hQE)W>]edE=XzR\=vvH9L\Yrr`+MD!|tvB&O-/:GX+BvNmrW"<=?utf-8?q?QH=23FL=7En=0A=09=7EVc?=>i/,(pC9&"?>=?utf-8?q?C=5FF=25T=3B/vj*S+q+seL=7EBB=5FeeTIKY2VMW=7DnPnhtKi31lp/=5B=3A=5BD?= =?utf-8?q?D=3Ak7ceI=0A=09LQI=23y=5CY2ybw=5CxO=3DhCN=5Bp5!8bqB=60ojJ=3AzT?= =?utf-8?q?8!5V*9LljNO=5B=2E=7E=5FDfW?=>|-mN\p)\XFx, =?utf-8?q?=7Du=5B=5Cc=3A=0A=09R=7DqHdiVes=3FYcJ9-?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200708031904.17703.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0390496024==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0390496024== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2382745.9OZ5QCuxs2"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart2382745.9OZ5QCuxs2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary-01=_nR7sGjdEmdxFFqC" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --Boundary-01=_nR7sGjdEmdxFFqC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 22 July 2007 22:48, jeff wrote: > As of a few days ago, Thunderbird won't display a message when I hit > enter. It doesn't seem to want to reply/forward/create or much of > anything else either. It *is* coming up and collecting mail, but I > can't read it. > > When I exit, the program leaves the screen but it's still running (per > ps aux). It does the same thing after I kill the processes and restart. > > I am unaware of adding or deleting anything that might affect this. > Machine is a Dell Latitude 820, Ubuntu 7.04, XFCE If you haven't fixed it yet, exit thunderbird and run the attached script. = I=20 haven't used thunderbird for a while (except for sending html mail when I=20 have to), so I don't know if it still works, but it should unless thunderbi= rd=20 has undergone a radical revision to its index restructuring. Of course, yo= u=20 will have to rename the hard coded directories. It simply deletes the=20 indexes, which have the extension, msf. Thunderbird will regenerate them=20 when it restarts. Nothing fancy, but I used to have to do it a lot, and th= e=20 script saved me the time in typing the commands. > > ------------------------------------------------- > > on a related note, I tend to read email from too many machines (via > POP). Right now I set one machine as master and the rest to leave > copies on the server. Is there an easier way to do this that would let > me delete mail I don't want from any computer? IMAP. See if your mail provider supports IMAP. With IMAP, all computers w= ill=20 access the same online mail folders, and any computer can manipulate them. = =20 If op.net does not support IMAP, you can forward the mail to a free service= =20 that does. Then just make sure you use your op.net address as a reply-to. = =20 You could also continue to use the op.net SMTP server. You would know better than me if the office mail system supports IMAP. > > Someone suggested IMAP but my provider doesn't offer it and I would > prefer not to set up a home server for this. Try forwarding to a free provider that does provide it. I do this with=20 alexion.com. This address is 13 years old and used to be listed on web=20 pages. It gets a lot of spam. I forward it to a free mail service that ha= s=20 decent server based spam filtering. This takes the load off of the local=20 spamassassin and bogofilter. My mail client is set to use smtp.alexion.com= =20 for outgoing mail and the reply-to is set to the alexion.com address. You= =20 could try doing the same with IMAP. Off the top of my head, I don't know=20 which free mail service provides IMAP. Perhaps someone else can suggest on= e. =2D-=20 _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for=20 alarm. Info @=20 http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ --Boundary-01=_nR7sGjdEmdxFFqC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="rm_t-bird_indexes" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rm_t-bird_indexes" echo deleting indexes from alexion.com folders... rm /home/arthur/.thunderbird/w0p0zil7.default/Mail/pop.alexion.com/*.msf echo deleting indexes from verizon.net folders... rm /home/arthur/.thunderbird/w0p0zil7.default/Mail/incoming.verizon.net/*.msf echo deleting indexes from gmail.com folders... rm /home/arthur/.thunderbird/w0p0zil7.default/Mail/pop.gmail.com/*.msf --Boundary-01=_nR7sGjdEmdxFFqC-- --nextPart2382745.9OZ5QCuxs2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUARrO0cULG/oYII0YuAQKXjQP9HC9l6tEpAaP+Ra7QkGEffQPM86D2W1xT koU5BLkR2dzi3StdxVlYDhBClol1pMUn7aOueufMTIOu1ahjxP+L97lKXQ+q096p n1Kc8d8iGaRdfzIs1tl9t2GDeHiXpJYQjMfNY1CFL/TQe424u3GoHQo6hmOGZhxG moqIozT7++Q= =AZCY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2382745.9OZ5QCuxs2-- --===============0390496024== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0390496024==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Aug 03 23:15:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 12033 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2007 23:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Aug 2007 23:15:13 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 11998 invoked by uid 107); 3 Aug 2007 23:15:11 -0000 Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (HELO smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.139) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:15:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 26659 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2007 23:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rodney) (art.alexion@verizon.net@151.199.255.112 with plain) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2007 23:15:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uxZfYXQVM1kwsaCxqDXX73S1.uW6TGby.5RNMjg1y.FKga8gdUFg2lHT5.KN7DCrfek1fR1lzU_BzYrm.bx2Hv3f0Naot4.N_kocHjWIQ7XvFDy4BHqE1RkLE3T0_y4- From: Art Alexion To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Edubuntu logging out everytime an app is closed Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:15:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <1185463069.5262.58.camel@art-xubuntu> <46A9046E.8060904@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <46A9046E.8060904@comcast.net> X-Face: "5; RQ"NcC5W[%hQE)W>]edE=XzR\=vvH9L\Yrr`+MD!|tvB&O-/:GX+BvNmrW"<=?utf-8?q?QH=23FL=7En=0A=09=7EVc?=>i/,(pC9&"?>=?utf-8?q?C=5FF=25T=3B/vj*S+q+seL=7EBB=5FeeTIKY2VMW=7DnPnhtKi31lp/=5B=3A=5BD?= =?utf-8?q?D=3Ak7ceI=0A=09LQI=23y=5CY2ybw=5CxO=3DhCN=5Bp5!8bqB=60ojJ=3AzT?= =?utf-8?q?8!5V*9LljNO=5B=2E=7E=5FDfW?=>|-mN\p)\XFx, =?utf-8?q?=7Du=5B=5Cc=3A=0A=09R=7DqHdiVes=3FYcJ9-?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200708031915.06190.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1762880615==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1762880615== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3871076.nM7Jm94yPc"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart3871076.nM7Jm94yPc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday, 26 July 2007 16:30, gyoza@comcast.net wrote: > Is Knoppix for kids still available? Actually edubuntu is quite nice. It seems to be nicely designed for=20 server/thin client lab setups. We are being less ambitious. We took two o= ld=20 machines that were not in service and loaded it locally on them. I used th= e=20 lockdown editor and obscured everything but the education, games and graphi= cs=20 submenus. I prevented terminal use. Works OK. Lots o' stuff available. =2D-=20 _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for=20 alarm. Info @=20 http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ --nextPart3871076.nM7Jm94yPc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUARrO2+kLG/oYII0YuAQKv8gQAgvHlsez5NWC6yRLITc+MjBQnZE8hCHKc Qf8ZF8Ibkj8n1QGN3sabaliyDEeKkV/FKedx3IB2vLfZyAMvbhORbYmnT/LHFNZh wp99dA5HI4H9XYYFvL/FjS9iFsINcrAP5zaRh56qLU4t89dIraztIn8/ih2xE6oa oGTSceDX1jY= =c+FW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3871076.nM7Jm94yPc-- --===============1762880615== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1762880615==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Aug 03 23:26:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 13323 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2007 23:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Aug 2007 23:26:29 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 13283 invoked by uid 107); 3 Aug 2007 23:26:26 -0000 Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (HELO smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.141) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:26:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 7562 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2007 23:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rodney) (art.alexion@verizon.net@151.199.255.112 with plain) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2007 23:26:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: O1EjpU0VM1lpLbk0YO09kiHp2w4xZq5S6FSPrj4H14AiQtytV5h594f0HbZ2nezkH14CPgBjIBXVWkdQgR342YEStoOkIVukqBLZwTWDImo6emAj0BSyJou.ezEKEKE- From: Art Alexion To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Upgrading Debian testing from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:26:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> In-Reply-To: <46B0812B.6060301@mike-leone.com> X-Face: "5; RQ"NcC5W[%hQE)W>]edE=XzR\=vvH9L\Yrr`+MD!|tvB&O-/:GX+BvNmrW"<=?utf-8?q?QH=23FL=7En=0A=09=7EVc?=>i/,(pC9&"?>=?utf-8?q?C=5FF=25T=3B/vj*S+q+seL=7EBB=5FeeTIKY2VMW=7DnPnhtKi31lp/=5B=3A=5BD?= =?utf-8?q?D=3Ak7ceI=0A=09LQI=23y=5CY2ybw=5CxO=3DhCN=5Bp5!8bqB=60ojJ=3AzT?= =?utf-8?q?8!5V*9LljNO=5B=2E=7E=5FDfW?=>|-mN\p)\XFx, =?utf-8?q?=7Du=5B=5Cc=3A=0A=09R=7DqHdiVes=3FYcJ9-?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200708031926.21205.art.alexion@verizon.net> X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1502903838==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1502903838== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2224635.ulrxSsZOdu"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart2224635.ulrxSsZOdu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday, 01 August 2007 08:48, Mike Leone wrote: > So now it won't install this version of libc6, without a kernel 2.6. I > tried to tell it to install linux-image-2.6.21, figuring that would get > me a kernel 2.6 machine. But of course, the kernel 2.6 won't install, > since apt-get is trying to install libc6 first (which is failing). > > So how do I fix this? I'd like to get to kernel 2.6.21, *then* install > the simple updates I was trying for (I was trying to upgrade aptitude to > the latest version, when I screwed myself over this way). apt-get -f install should fix the aborted libc6 stuff. Then start over. =2D-=20 _____________________________________________________________ Art Alexion PGP fingerprint: 52A4 B10C AA73 096F A661 92D2 3B65 8EAC ACC5 BA7A Keyserver: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net The attachment - signature.asc - is my electronic signature; no need for=20 alarm. Info @=20 http://mysite.verizon.net/art.alexion/encryption/signature.asc.what.html _____________________________________________________________ --nextPart2224635.ulrxSsZOdu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUARrO5nULG/oYII0YuAQLj3AQAg2UezkkqrpdguvGArjV5cUk9/k0b9l/B KYf4WGx5h3wEO7rGAoNSJEpJw6O10psuKJusOGq8qnQRrjuNNhe29wZyZoQZ+cR0 +acQIVXLVYOiNYcdh702CQTbJaYz+ZQmT5YM8vjkvXmC9GTY5V0S5sTL9t+0WdfW OmbIBIMKNDE= =70Qd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2224635.ulrxSsZOdu-- --===============1502903838== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1502903838==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Aug 04 17:19:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 12859 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2007 17:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Aug 2007 17:19:11 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 12810 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Aug 2007 17:19:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 13:19:07 -0400 From: "Michael C. Toren" To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Message-ID: <20070804171907.GA12150@netisland.net> References: <3E578B61AE88464C96C59C52385194AA792E97@legisdiscovery.legisdiscovery.com> <19568.1182272918@piquin.uphs.upenn.edu> <20070620001518.GA29313@dan.widyono.net> <20070620025940.GB8823@netisland.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070620025940.GB8823@netisland.net> X-Moon: The Moon is Waning Gibbous (63% of Full) Subject: [PLUG] Computer recycling in Montgomery County (was: FS: 20" monitor) X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:15:18PM -0400, Dan Widyono wrote: > Philly has hazardous waste collections at least four times a year (I > believe it's more now). I just dropped off a bunch of computers at the > last one which was in Roxborough. > > http://www.phila.gov/streets/hazardous_waste.html > http://www.phila.gov/streets/hhw_computers.html Nita recently forwarded me a link to a PDF containing information on computer and hazardous waste recycling/collections in Montgomery County. Like Philadelphia, they move the location around throughout the county, and have a Saturday afternoon scheduled for collections every 1-2 months: http://www.plymouthtownship.org/forms/hhwc.pdf The next two collections are scheduled for Saturday August 11th at Perkiomen Valley Middle School, and for Saturday October 27th at the Lower Merion Transfer Station. If you're like me and have quite a bit of older computer stuff to get rid of, these dropoff times and locations might prove useful :-) -mct ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Aug 05 16:35:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 10429 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2007 16:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ellesmere.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Aug 2007 16:35:30 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 6672 invoked by uid 107); 5 Aug 2007 03:58:37 -0000 Received: from mpv3.TIS.CWRU.Edu (HELO mpv3.TIS.cwru.edu) (129.22.105.35) by qpsmtpd.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 23:58:37 -0400 Received: from mpv5.tis.cwru.edu (mpv5.TIS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.105.51]) by mpv3.TIS.cwru.edu (MOS 3.8.2-GA) with ESMTP id BXF01717; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from v129-22-126-111.vclient.cwru.edu (v129-22-126-111.VCLIENT.CWRU.Edu [129.22.126.111]) by mpv5.tis.cwru.edu (MOS 3.8.3-GA) with ESMTP id BXS31047; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:56:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Rosewarne To: Art Alexion Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:55:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200707271604.49557.mukidohime@case.edu> <200708031919.48447.art.alexion@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200708031919.48447.art.alexion@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200708042355.47813.mukidohime@case.edu> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/49, host=mpv3.cwru.edu X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A09020B.46B54A5F.0076,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=129.22.105.51, so=2006-09-22 03:48:54, dmn=5.3.14/2007-05-31 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:35:28 -0400 Cc: James Barrett , Brian Stempin , plug@lists.phillylinux.org, Alex Launi , Jeff Abrahamson , schwepes@netaxs.com, Elizabeth Bevilacqua , Jon Nelson , Corvus Elrod , Zenko Klapko , Aaron Mulder , Soren Harward , Mike Cahill Subject: [PLUG] Re: Somebody get me Beijing-jing-jing X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1261445625==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1261445625== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart21188211.acQ0F9GCvD"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart21188211.acQ0F9GCvD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 03 August 2007, Art Alexion wrote: > Do we need a list? Yes. I was hoping we would get the list akademy-team@kde.org. --nextPart21188211.acQ0F9GCvD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGtUpDLE8yW/+QbWIRAhfXAJ9pnNIqrBQi5MFyPScGh3s9HMLQvACfVGbz UnjMm+YCQBSEgYRZGco+o7A= =tSoz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart21188211.acQ0F9GCvD-- --===============1261445625== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org