From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Jan 01 16:39:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 23392 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2008 08:39:32 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jan 2008 08:39:32 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 23361 invoked by uid 111); 1 Jan 2008 08:39:30 -0800 Received: from adsl-207-245-115-19.cust.oldcity.dca.net (HELO hagibis.jondz.net) (207.245.115.19) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 08:39:30 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.108] (ident=jondz) by hagibis.jondz.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1J9k9H-0002x8-Bk for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 11:39:27 -0500 From: jondz To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <20071230193219.ffe3b4a0@macserver.v-system.net> References: <20071230193219.ffe3b4a0@macserver.v-system.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 11:39:27 -0500 Message-Id: <1199205567.17187.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Subject: Re: [PLUG] DNS Question X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: linux@jondz.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 14:32 -0500, Brian Vagnoni wrote: > Ok, I have 2 servers, with 2 dynamically assigned ip's. Both use the > same domain of v-system.net. One server runs OD, DNS, mail, web, > ftp, ...etc. Both are behind nat'ed firewalls but not connected > internally to one another. Both are running the noip dynamic ip client > so their wan ip's are tracked. My primary dns zone is on the OD > server. These are comcast lines as well. > > If I do > > [macserver:~] root# nslookup v-system.net > Server: 192.168.1.102 > Address: 192.168.1.102#53 > > Name: v-system.net > Address: 69.139.74.31 > > [macserver:~] root# nslookup 69.139.74.31 > Server: 192.168.1.102 > Address: 192.168.1.102#53 > > 31.74.139.69.in-addr.arpa name = macserver.v-system.net. > > I'm amazed that the reverse lookup locally record doesn't come back as > comasct > > [macserver:~] root# nslookup v-system.net.local > Server: 192.168.1.102 > Address: 192.168.1.102#53 > > Name: v-system.net.local > Address: 192.168.1.102 > > [macserver:~] root# nslookup 192.168.1.102 > Server: 192.168.1.102 > Address: 192.168.1.102#53 > > 102.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa name = macserver.v-system.net.local. > > [macserver:~] root# > > The other server is called the redqueen.v-system.net which is on a > different dynamic ip > [macserver:~] root# nslookup redqueen.v-system.net > Server: 192.168.1.102 > Address: 192.168.1.102#53 > > ** server can't find redqueen.v-system.net: NXDOMAIN > > [macserver:~] root# > > My question is why doesn't it resolve to the proper wanip address. If > I go to the web and use a web nslookup tool I get the correct address. > > Sincerely & Thanks In Advance > > > Brian Vagnoni from the outside world, it appears that these are the actual nameservers: t20[563]$ dig v-system.net ns ;; ANSWER SECTION: v-system.net. 84798 IN NS ns3.no-ip.com. v-system.net. 84798 IN NS ns4.no-ip.com. v-system.net. 84798 IN NS ns5.no-ip.com. v-system.net. 84798 IN NS ns1.no-ip.com. v-system.net. 84798 IN NS ns2.no-ip.com. in my opinion, i do not see an advantage on assigning your own v-system.net zone on another server outside of these already authoritative servers. You'll have additional work to keep them in sync. I think redqueen has no proper entry on macserver; The search should stop there even if you have forwarding enabled to other nameservers (because it believes it is authoritative, the answer is final). jondz ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Jan 01 20:56:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 1193 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2008 12:56:43 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jan 2008 12:56:43 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 1174 invoked by uid 111); 1 Jan 2008 12:56:41 -0800 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (HELO vms044pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.44) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 12:56:41 -0800 Received: from vms126.mailsrvcs.net ([192.168.1.2]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JTZ00L21GTO1WP0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:56:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from 151.199.249.11 ([151.199.249.11]) by vms126.mailsrvcs.net (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:56:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:56:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Adam J. Zion" X-Originating-IP: [151.199.249.11] To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Message-id: <9111536.3293511199220972675.JavaMail.root@vms126.mailsrvcs.net> Organization: The Philosopher's Haven, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: [PLUG] More SAMBA fun X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Another Frankenputer, another distro, another Samba problem. Joy. OK, here's the deal. I put together a new PC + loaded gOS (Ubuntu-based), as it appears to be a good choice for a lower-end PC. So far, so good- it detected all my printers, my scanner, etc., + the performance is fine. The problem is that I can't get it to mount my linux server's Samba shares. I'm about 99.9% sure that the problem is not on the server, since I can still access the shares from my Windows + OS X boxen. But I can't mount them from the new linux box. Note: I am able to print to the CUPS printers, shared off the same server, perfectly well from the new PC. Here's the command I run to make the mount. This is the same command that I previously used to mount from Freespire (another Ubuntu-based distro) + Mandriva: sudo mount -t smbfs //calvin/adam /media/adam -o uid=adam,gid=users Here's the response: 9740: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) SMB connection failed The number at the beginning of this line is different every time I run the command. Here's the really odd part: I can access this particular share via smbclient: smbclient //calvin/adam -U adam Thoughts? -Z "O ye that love mankind! Ye that dare oppose, not only the tyranny, but the tyrant, stand forth! Every spot of the old world is overrun with oppression. Freedom hath been hunted round the globe. Asia, and Africa, have long expelled her--Europe regards her like a stranger, and England hath given her warning to depart. O! receive the fugitive, and prepare in time an asylum for mankind." * Thomas Paine ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Jan 01 21:05:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 4905 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2008 13:05:25 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jan 2008 13:05:25 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 4863 invoked by uid 111); 1 Jan 2008 13:05:23 -0800 Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (HELO QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.48) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:05:23 -0800 Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Xr3Y1Y0070QkzPw0A0Nm00; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:05:19 +0000 Received: from mail ([71.224.100.248]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Xx5B1Y00F5MZL9j8N00000; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:05:12 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bUPWWpfTtw7JFan4A18A:9 a=NFlJetgOTRDj05Z4BF4A:7 a=tSrtGOwh_moLt-caNJ2vsvTQQ6UA:4 a=WuK_CZDBSqoA:10 Received: by mail (Postfix, from userid 108) id 7974C2ECC7; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:05:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on mail.mossholder.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7-deb Received: from [192.168.0.1] (mourneblade.mossholder.com [192.168.0.1]) by mail (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E8D2ECBF for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:05:15 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Mossholder To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <9111536.3293511199220972675.JavaMail.root@vms126.mailsrvcs.net> References: <9111536.3293511199220972675.JavaMail.root@vms126.mailsrvcs.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:05:14 -0500 Message-Id: <1199221514.7034.5.camel@mourneblade.mossholder.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Subject: Re: [PLUG] More SAMBA fun X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Tue, 2008-01-01 at 14:56 -0600, Adam J. Zion wrote: > Another Frankenputer, another distro, another Samba problem. Joy. > > OK, here's the deal. I put together a new PC + loaded gOS (Ubuntu-based), as it appears to be a good choice for a lower-end PC. So far, so good- it detected all my printers, my scanner, etc., + the performance is fine. The problem is that I can't get it to mount my linux server's Samba shares. > > I'm about 99.9% sure that the problem is not on the server, since I can still access the shares from my Windows + OS X boxen. But I can't mount them from the new linux box. Note: I am able to print to the CUPS printers, shared off the same server, perfectly well from the new PC. > > Here's the command I run to make the mount. This is the same command that I previously used to mount from Freespire (another Ubuntu-based distro) + Mandriva: > > sudo mount -t smbfs //calvin/adam /media/adam -o uid=adam,gid=users > > Here's the response: > > 9740: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) > SMB connection failed > > The number at the beginning of this line is different every time I run the command. > > Here's the really odd part: I can access this particular share via smbclient: > > smbclient //calvin/adam -U adam > > Thoughts? > -Z Adam, The uid and gid params to mount for smbfs specify the local user and group to permit access to the share. You need to pass in a username= and password= parameters to specify the the credentials to use when accessing the share. --Matt ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Jan 02 18:42:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 29516 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 10:42:14 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 10:42:14 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 29483 invoked by uid 111); 2 Jan 2008 10:42:11 -0800 Received: from mail85.messagelabs.com (HELO mail85.messagelabs.com) (216.82.240.99) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:42:11 -0800 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: rkaye2@csc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-85.messagelabs.com!1199299317!1260297!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [20.137.2.88] Received: (qmail 4171 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 18:41:57 -0000 Received: from amer-mta102.csc.com (HELO amer-mta102.csc.com) (20.137.2.88) by server-15.tower-85.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 18:41:57 -0000 Received: from amer-gw09.amer.csc.com (amer-gw09.amer.csc.com [20.6.39.245]) by amer-mta102.csc.com (Switch-3.3.0/Switch-3.3.0) with ESMTP id m02IhCD3021312 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:43:12 -0500 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.4 March 27, 2005 Message-ID: From: Ron Kaye Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:41:45 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on AMER-GW09/SRV/CSC(Release 7.0.2FP1 HF180|March 29, 2007) at 01/02/2008 01:42:09 PM, Serialize complete at 01/02/2008 01:42:09 PM Cc: Ron Kaye Subject: [PLUG] wiki X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1777247579==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1777247579== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0066B686852573C4_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0066B686852573C4_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" why wiki, and not just a traditional shared folder. is this a good format for housing the organization's technical howto'S? suggestions on platform and software? feel free to contact me off list. ron kaye csc@uphs Computer Sciences Corporation Registered Office: 2100 East Grand Avenue, El Segundo California 90245, USA Registered in USA No: C-489-59 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a PRIVATE message. 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 --=_alternative 0066B686852573C4_=-- --===============1777247579== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1777247579==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 03 05:02:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 30024 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 21:02:21 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 21:02:21 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 29999 invoked by uid 111); 2 Jan 2008 21:02:19 -0800 Received: from smtp.jpsdomain.org (HELO smtp.jpsdomain.org) (66.92.238.114) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:02:19 -0800 Received: from [192.168.99.121] (unknown [192.168.99.121]) by smtp.jpsdomain.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2248E7C8020 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 00:02:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <477C6C55.8060202@jpsdomain.org> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:02:13 -0500 From: JP Vossen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: [PLUG] Monit instead of Nagios X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Everyone has heard of the monitoring tool Nagios, and perhaps some of you have been put off by its reputation for being difficult and time consuming to get working right. I know I have. Here is another tool to consider. http://tildeslash.com/monit/ Monit is intended to monitor processes and resources on a *single host*, but it can also monitor various aspects of remote hosts. For a relatively small and simple environment, such as mine, this is Good Enough. DISCLAIMER 1: I have never actually attempted a Nagios install; even though I want a monitoring tool, its reputation was enough to keep me putting off tackling it. DISCLAIMER 2: I actually did RTFM (http://tildeslash.com/monit/doc/manual.php) a bit, but it turns out I shouldn't have bothered; at least for my good enough, first pass. I'm now monitoring 8 daemons on my main server, 3 of which are trivial copy & paste & tweak "custom" monitors. I'm also monitoring 14 other hosts, 2 of which are firewalls, 1 is remote in NJ, and 2 are W2KPro. The host "monitoring" is an ICMP ping at worst, or that plus checking various daemons and ports (SSH, NTP, etc.) at best. Details ======= Monit is in the default repos for Debian and in Universe for Ubuntu. It literally took me longer to figure out *what* to monitor that it did to fudge up a basic config, using a combination of the the stock Debian Etch /etc/monit/monitrc file and http://tildeslash.com/monit/doc/examples.php. Here is the complete process: # aptitude install monit # vi /etc/default/monit Change to "startup=1" # vi /etc/monit/monitrc Tweak settings as needed Copy & paste examples from in config file and http://tildeslash.com/monit/doc/examples.php # monit -T /etc/monit/monitrc # vi /etc/monit/monitrc Fix all the stuff that copy & paste got wrong * # monit -T /etc/monit/monitrc # /etc/init.d/monit start Then browse to: http://myserver.example.com:2812/ That's it! * The config code I copy & pasted had a few things like wrong PID file paths and init script names (e.g., named --> bind9, sshd --> ssh). These were trivial to find and fix using monit -t (test). Finally, this tool really is intended for local machine monitoring, process restarting, and such. For example, I don't see an easy way to monitor disk space or CPU load on a remote machine. I can think of a few ways to hack that in, but it isn't Just There like it is for the local machine. I'd also guess you could goof around with SSH commands in the "start/stop program" lines to get some limited remote service restart functions, but that adds a lot of moving parts. You'd probably be better off running a local copy, or moving to a monitoring tool intended for such things, like Nagios . However, it also have a wide variety of other local checks, such as file and directory checksum, timestamp, permissions and more. You could make it a mini tripwire, but more interesting is its ability to restart a daemon if that daemon's config file has changed, for example. The PDF preso at http://tildeslash.com/monit/doc/monit.pdf isn't bad, though I did get more out of skimming the actual manual. For my purposes Monit is quite Good Enough, and I'm *very* pleased with the product and the return on my time investment for implementing it. YMMV. Later, JP ----------------------------|:::======|------------------------------- JP Vossen, CISSP |:::======| jp{at}jpsdomain{dot}org My Account, My Opinions |=========| http://www.jpsdomain.org/ ----------------------------|=========|------------------------------- Microsoft has single-handedly nullified Moore's Law. Innate design flaws of Windows make a personal firewall, anti-virus and anti-malware software mandatory. The resulting software arms race has effectively flattened Moore's Law on hardware running Windows. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 03 05:15:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 32626 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 21:15:35 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 21:15:35 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 32590 invoked by uid 111); 2 Jan 2008 21:15:33 -0800 Received: from smtp-auth.no-ip.com (HELO smtp-auth.no-ip.com) (204.16.252.95) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:15:33 -0800 X-No-IP: v-system.net@noip-smtp X-Report-Spam-To: abuse@no-ip.com Received: from macserver.v-system.net (c-69-139-74-31.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [69.139.74.31]) (Authenticated sender: v-system.net@noip-smtp) by smtp-auth.no-ip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40510BE68 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:15:29 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL: -0.302,BAYES_50: 1.567,HTML_MESSAGE: 0.001, CUSTOM_RULE_FROM: ALLOW,TOTAL_SCORE: 1.266 X-Spam-Level: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by macserver.v-system.net for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 00:15:26 -0500 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org From: "Brian Vagnoni" Message-ID: <20080103051526.34268a5d@macserver.v-system.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:15:26 -0500 X-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071127 Firefox/2.0.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [PLUG] Perl Talk Video X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0118168863==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0118168863== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------2868cc8909f3f7e1670f1a8f45dabf67" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -------------2868cc8909f3f7e1670f1a8f45dabf67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So what format would people like to see the PLUG Central presentation vi= deo in=3F The default is .wmv; I already hear people cringing. I have t= o convert it so it will take a little time. Should have it up on my ftp = site by late Thursday night. Keep in mind it was a rush setup. So it's far from perfect. But next tim= e I'll be better prepared and have more experience with the camera eg. t= urn auto focus off, as well as auto white balance . Also, if people woul= d like this to be a regular thing I'll want to setup a torrent. Keep in = mind a hour of hi-def video is going to be big. The quality so far is go= od, you can actually see the lettering on the screen clearly. If people want to keep archives of presentations I have the space but no= t necessarily the bandwidth so we will have to talk about that. Anyway look for the link soon. Brian Vagnoni Oh almost forgot. Sorry this has to be done in windows but if someone ca= n make a suggestion of a good Linux based video editor I would gladly ta= ke on the challenge.=20 -------------2868cc8909f3f7e1670f1a8f45dabf67 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So what format would people like to see the PLUG Central presentation vi= deo in=3F The default is .wmv; I already hear people cringing.  I h= ave to convert it so it will take a little time. Should have it up on my= ftp site by late Thursday night.

Keep in mind it was a rush setu= p. So it's far from perfect. But next time I'll be better prepared and h= ave more experience with the camera eg. turn auto focus off, as well as = auto white balance . Also, if people would like this to be a regular thi= ng I'll want to setup a torrent. Keep in mind a hour of hi-def video is = going to be big. The quality so far is good, you can actually see the le= ttering on the screen clearly.

If people want to keep archives of= presentations I have the space but not necessarily the bandwidth so we = will have to talk about that.

Anyway look for the link soon.
<= br>Brian Vagnoni

Oh almost forgot. Sorry this has to be done in w= indows but if someone can make a suggestion of a good Linux based video = editor I would gladly take on the challenge.




= -------------2868cc8909f3f7e1670f1a8f45dabf67-- --===============0118168863== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0118168863==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 03 11:21:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 17099 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 03:21:12 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 03:21:12 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 17077 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 03:21:10 -0800 Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (HELO eastrmmtao102.cox.net) (68.230.240.8) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 03:21:10 -0800 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080103112107.ZRYY3253.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:21:07 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.120] ([24.254.92.18]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id YbLZ1Y0080PmJxU0000000; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:20:33 -0500 From: Rich G To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <20080103051526.34268a5d@macserver.v-system.net> References: <20080103051526.34268a5d@macserver.v-system.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:21:06 -0500 Message-Id: <1199359266.5974.4.camel@bigtux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.2 Subject: Re: [PLUG] Perl Talk Video X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org To edit the video - Kino is good for basic editing. I use MainActor to a little more advanced work (costs but is worth it). Jashaka is "new" but I don't know anymore about it (I believe it is Java based and maybe cross platform). Rich On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 00:15 -0500, Brian Vagnoni wrote: > So what format would people like to see the PLUG Central presentation > video in? The default is .wmv; I already hear people cringing. I have > to convert it so it will take a little time. Should have it up on my > ftp site by late Thursday night. > > Keep in mind it was a rush setup. So it's far from perfect. But next > time I'll be better prepared and have more experience with the camera > eg. turn auto focus off, as well as auto white balance . Also, if > people would like this to be a regular thing I'll want to setup a > torrent. Keep in mind a hour of hi-def video is going to be big. The > quality so far is good, you can actually see the lettering on the > screen clearly. > > If people want to keep archives of presentations I have the space but > not necessarily the bandwidth so we will have to talk about that. > > Anyway look for the link soon. > > Brian Vagnoni > > Oh almost forgot. Sorry this has to be done in windows but if someone > can make a suggestion of a good Linux based video editor I would > gladly take on the challenge. > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 03 15:19:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 32758 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 07:19:44 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 07:19:44 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 32726 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 07:19:42 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.188) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:19:42 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so5771439rvb.1 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.174.18 with SMTP id w18mr4125539rve.227.1199373576733; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.10.3 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:19:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <66cdbbc0801030719k6b1a73fdub12d722ce282e184@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:19:36 -0500 From: "Alex Launi" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <1199359266.5974.4.camel@bigtux.site> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080103051526.34268a5d@macserver.v-system.net> <1199359266.5974.4.camel@bigtux.site> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Perl Talk Video X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1580156363==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1580156363== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31686_29279060.1199373576633" ------=_Part_31686_29279060.1199373576633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OGG please On Jan 3, 2008 6:21 AM, Rich G wrote: > To edit the video - Kino is good for basic editing. I use MainActor to > a little more advanced work (costs but is worth it). Jashaka is "new" > but I don't know anymore about it (I believe it is Java based and maybe > cross platform). > > Rich > > On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 00:15 -0500, Brian Vagnoni wrote: > > So what format would people like to see the PLUG Central presentation > > video in? The default is .wmv; I already hear people cringing. I have > > to convert it so it will take a little time. Should have it up on my > > ftp site by late Thursday night. > > > > Keep in mind it was a rush setup. So it's far from perfect. But next > > time I'll be better prepared and have more experience with the camera > > eg. turn auto focus off, as well as auto white balance . Also, if > > people would like this to be a regular thing I'll want to setup a > > torrent. Keep in mind a hour of hi-def video is going to be big. The > > quality so far is good, you can actually see the lettering on the > > screen clearly. > > > > If people want to keep archives of presentations I have the space but > > not necessarily the bandwidth so we will have to talk about that. > > > > Anyway look for the link soon. > > > > Brian Vagnoni > > > > Oh almost forgot. Sorry this has to be done in windows but if someone > > can make a suggestion of a good Linux based video editor I would > > gladly take on the challenge. > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- --Alex Launi ------=_Part_31686_29279060.1199373576633 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OGG please

On Jan 3, 2008 6:21 AM, Rich G <rgoodwin1@cox.net> wrote:
To edit the video - Kino is good for basic editing.  I use MainActor to
a little more advanced work (costs but is worth it). Jashaka is "new"
but I don't know anymore about it (I believe it is Java based and maybe
cross platform).

Rich

On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 00:15 -0500, Brian Vagnoni wrote:
> So what format would people like to see the PLUG Central presentation
> video in? The default is .wmv; I already hear people cringing.  I have
> to convert it so it will take a little time. Should have it up on my
> ftp site by late Thursday night.
>
> Keep in mind it was a rush setup. So it's far from perfect. But next
> time I'll be better prepared and have more experience with the camera
> eg. turn auto focus off, as well as auto white balance . Also, if
> people would like this to be a regular thing I'll want to setup a
> torrent. Keep in mind a hour of hi-def video is going to be big. The
> quality so far is good, you can actually see the lettering on the
> screen clearly.
>
> If people want to keep archives of presentations I have the space but
> not necessarily the bandwidth so we will have to talk about that.
>
> Anyway look for the link soon.
>
> Brian Vagnoni
>
> Oh almost forgot. Sorry this has to be done in windows but if someone
> can make a suggestion of a good Linux based video editor I would
> gladly take on the challenge.
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> Philadelphia Linux Users Group         --         http://www.phillylinux.org
> Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce
> General Discussion  --   http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug

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--Alex Launi ------=_Part_31686_29279060.1199373576633-- --===============1580156363== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1580156363==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 03 18:33:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 6277 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 10:33:31 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 10:33:31 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 6242 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 10:33:28 -0800 Received: from cva003.cvanet.com (HELO cva003.cvanet.com) (216.158.16.3) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:33:28 -0800 Received: from cva003.cvanet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cva003.cvanet.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id m03IXImQ022126 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:33:22 -0500 Received: (from dysplug@localhost) by cva003.cvanet.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) id m03IUxPo022100 for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:31:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:30:54 -0500 From: John Kirk To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Message-ID: <20080103183048.GA17518@cvanet.com> References: <20080103051526.34268a5d@macserver.v-system.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080103051526.34268a5d@macserver.v-system.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Subject: Re: [PLUG] Perl Talk Video X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Brian, On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:15:26AM -0500, Brian Vagnoni wrote: > So what format would people like to see the PLUG Central presentation video in? > The default is .wmv; I already hear people cringing. I have to convert it... First, I have to say I dunno much about video tech, and what's available, but: wmv, avi, and mpeg are ones I know how to handle easily. I like the players I've used for mpeg best, for giving me some modicum of control over my watching. Show-stopping issues revolve mostly around codecs -- a deeper level I know not enough about, to resolve issues. i.e. once in a while I'll come across someone's video file named with an .mpg suffix that I can't seem to view. Maybe 85% of the time I can't view a file with .wmv suffix. I don't see .avi files frequently enough to comment, but seem to remember I usually can view them. For a single file, I have no idea how to query it for what codec it depends upon. Also, I don't know easily how to inventory codecs the software I have installed can handle. I don't even know enough about how codecs are named or otherwise identified -- e.g. whether two codec names extracted from some sources or other refer really to the same codec. I'm mostly using default installs of Debian and Ubuntu, but intermittently install additional packages I run across in hopes of expanding my coverage of video file formats and codecs, and to improve the control I get over viewing. I think I've used plaympeg, mplayer, vlc and two or three others. All in all, plaympeg has become the one I most use (for mpeg). I always try vlc for .wmv but frequently it doesn't work for the file I'm trying to view. Also, I don't know how to get much control over viewing with vlc. I dunno whether any of this rambling is helpful, but I sure appreciate what you're doing -- and feel it'd be a great resource to build a video archive of PLUG presentations, along with documentation that'd help get folks up to speed in accessing and viewing them. regards, -- John Kirk ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 03 19:02:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 20743 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 11:02:13 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 11:02:13 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 20713 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 11:02:11 -0800 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (HELO vms046pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.46) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:02:11 -0800 Received: from vms076.mailsrvcs.net ([192.168.1.2]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JU30042W0UHHE70@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:01:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from 151.199.249.11 ([151.199.249.11]) by vms076.mailsrvcs.net (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:01:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:01:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Adam J. Zion" X-Originating-IP: [151.199.249.11] To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Message-id: <31922839.2680491199386889419.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> Organization: The Philosopher's Haven, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: [PLUG] Which video card to use? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org My Frankenputer currently has a nVidia Riva 128 (using Ubuntu's nv driver). I also have Radeon 7200 card which I could install. Which of these cards is faster for X-Org? -Z "O ye that love mankind! Ye that dare oppose, not only the tyranny, but the tyrant, stand forth! Every spot of the old world is overrun with oppression. Freedom hath been hunted round the globe. Asia, and Africa, have long expelled her--Europe regards her like a stranger, and England hath given her warning to depart. O! receive the fugitive, and prepare in time an asylum for mankind." * Thomas Paine ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 03 19:09:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 23017 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 11:09:15 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 11:09:15 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 22999 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 11:09:12 -0800 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.177) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:09:12 -0800 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w53so2281370pyg.25 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.156.2 with SMTP id i2mr33013819qbo.60.1199387350990; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:09:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.10.3 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:09:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <66cdbbc0801031109k42d4c06bs7dd72680fada0d0e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:09:10 -0500 From: "Alex Launi" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <31922839.2680491199386889419.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <31922839.2680491199386889419.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Which video card to use? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2032559394==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============2032559394== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32938_22730201.1199387350988" ------=_Part_32938_22730201.1199387350988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think the nVidia is a more powerful card, but the ATi can use the opensource radeon drivers and has full 3d acceleration with them. I would give that a try first. It should do a decent job. On Jan 3, 2008 2:01 PM, Adam J. Zion wrote: > My Frankenputer currently has a nVidia Riva 128 (using Ubuntu's nv > driver). I also have Radeon 7200 card which I could install. Which of these > cards is faster for X-Org? > > -Z > > "O ye that love mankind! Ye that dare oppose, not only the tyranny, but > the tyrant, stand forth! Every spot of the old world is overrun with > oppression. Freedom hath been hunted round the globe. Asia, and Africa, have > long expelled her--Europe regards her like a stranger, and England hath > given her warning to depart. O! receive the fugitive, and prepare in time an > asylum for mankind." * Thomas Paine > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- --Alex Launi ------=_Part_32938_22730201.1199387350988 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think the nVidia is a more powerful card, but the ATi can use the opensource radeon drivers and has full 3d acceleration with them. I would give that a try first. It should do a decent job.

On Jan 3, 2008 2:01 PM, Adam J. Zion <azion1995@verizon.net> wrote:
My Frankenputer currently has a nVidia Riva 128 (using Ubuntu's nv driver). I also have Radeon 7200 card which I could install. Which of these cards is faster for X-Org?

-Z

"O ye that love mankind! Ye that dare oppose, not only the tyranny, but the tyrant, stand forth! Every spot of the old world is overrun with oppression. Freedom hath been hunted round the globe. Asia, and Africa, have long expelled her--Europe regards her like a stranger, and England hath given her warning to depart. O! receive the fugitive, and prepare in time an asylum for mankind." * Thomas Paine
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--Alex Launi ------=_Part_32938_22730201.1199387350988-- --===============2032559394== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============2032559394==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 03 19:41:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 10986 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 11:41:32 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 11:41:32 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 10946 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 11:41:28 -0800 Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (HELO smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.140) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:41:28 -0800 Received: (qmail 62258 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 19:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO art-kubuntu.local) (art.alexion@verizon.net@63.139.112.162 with plain) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 19:41:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: awr.TsIVM1mKfws_SxeTjoIOv12QUjV_gINEIaPcg.CH5l8SSJSoIzO7cpWNZYgE.KoXFD.7eg-- From: Art Alexion To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:38:12 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <31922839.2680491199386889419.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> <66cdbbc0801031109k42d4c06bs7dd72680fada0d0e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66cdbbc0801031109k42d4c06bs7dd72680fada0d0e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200801031438.27637.art.alexion@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Which video card to use? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0653549737==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0653549737== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2116628.bBz2hdoRjP"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart2116628.bBz2hdoRjP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I had trouble with the open source ATi drivers and a widescreen LCD. The=20 proprietary driver fixed those problems, but I'd be cautious about selectin= g=20 the ATi card solely on the basis of the open source drivers. On Thursday 03 January 2008 14:09:10 Alex Launi wrote: > I think the nVidia is a more powerful card, but the ATi can use the > opensource radeon drivers and has full 3d acceleration with them. I would > give that a try first. It should do a decent job. > > On Jan 3, 2008 2:01 PM, Adam J. Zion wrote: > > My Frankenputer currently has a nVidia Riva 128 (using Ubuntu's nv > > driver). I also have Radeon 7200 card which I could install. Which of > > these cards is faster for X-Org? > > > > -Z > > > > "O ye that love mankind! Ye that dare oppose, not only the tyranny, but > > the tyrant, stand forth! Every spot of the old world is overrun with > > oppression. Freedom hath been hunted round the globe. Asia, and Africa, > > have long expelled her--Europe regards her like a stranger, and England > > hath given her warning to depart. O! receive the fugitive, and prepare = in > > time an asylum for mankind." * Thomas Paine --nextPart2116628.bBz2hdoRjP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUAR305s0LG/oYII0YuAQLWiAQAnW9riMbmxM9z21zXE4AKy2efRV+FayCQ 8fRQIyE3LGDcTKMuHVXI2W8XXRunpvKo5SeUk9Gjp31hDvYwghMsfzQkvjc+LrNt ZRxBKYfj8yiSBbHaqYR7dMfuBF/w8iLq788qDKEv/2VfeT629oxnrbeKDAJPkldt 4nddPoQy0aM= =+2Q/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2116628.bBz2hdoRjP-- --===============0653549737== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0653549737==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 03 19:54:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 24218 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 11:54:11 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 11:54:11 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 24205 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 11:54:09 -0800 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (HELO nz-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.162.238) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:54:09 -0800 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so1238755nze.1 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.16.9 with SMTP id t9mr1033898wfi.107.1199390048513; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:54:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from AeonFlux ( [67.152.192.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 25sm20654592wra.35.2008.01.03.11.54.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:54:07 -0800 (PST) To: "'Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List'" Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:54:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchOQKaZDP8tzo7hSIuSXVEkw9sBVAAAWZzw In-Reply-To: <200801031438.27637.art.alexion@verizon.net> From: Tim Allen Message-ID: <477d3d5f.1901360a.6938.ffffc8ca@mx.google.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Which video card to use? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I'd highly recommend nVidia over ATI. I've worked in 3-D environments for years, especially Second Life (which has a Linux alpha, BTW). nVidia has easy to find pages for driver support (unified) as well: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html They just recently released their 169.x package of drivers for *nix which is a very current version as well. ATI can't even get PC drivers right most of the time! Regards, -Tim -----Original Message----- From: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org [mailto:plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org] On Behalf Of Art Alexion Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:38 PM To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Which video card to use? I had trouble with the open source ATi drivers and a widescreen LCD. The proprietary driver fixed those problems, but I'd be cautious about selecting the ATi card solely on the basis of the open source drivers. On Thursday 03 January 2008 14:09:10 Alex Launi wrote: > I think the nVidia is a more powerful card, but the ATi can use the > opensource radeon drivers and has full 3d acceleration with them. I would > give that a try first. It should do a decent job. > > On Jan 3, 2008 2:01 PM, Adam J. Zion wrote: > > My Frankenputer currently has a nVidia Riva 128 (using Ubuntu's nv > > driver). I also have Radeon 7200 card which I could install. Which of > > these cards is faster for X-Org? > > > > -Z > > > > "O ye that love mankind! Ye that dare oppose, not only the tyranny, but > > the tyrant, stand forth! Every spot of the old world is overrun with > > oppression. Freedom hath been hunted round the globe. Asia, and Africa, > > have long expelled her--Europe regards her like a stranger, and England > > hath given her warning to depart. O! receive the fugitive, and prepare in > > time an asylum for mankind." * Thomas Paine ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 03 19:57:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 26199 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 11:57:06 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 11:57:06 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 26152 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 11:57:04 -0800 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (HELO nz-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.162.234) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:57:04 -0800 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so1239514nze.1 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.246.8 with SMTP id t8mr4809338wfh.8.1199390223150; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:57:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?10.2.2.200? ( [69.17.28.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm392347wri.9.2008.01.03.11.57.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:57:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <477D3E08.4010301@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:56:56 -0500 From: brent saner User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14pre (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List References: <31922839.2680491199386889419.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> <66cdbbc0801031109k42d4c06bs7dd72680fada0d0e@mail.gmail.com> <200801031438.27637.art.alexion@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200801031438.27637.art.alexion@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Which video card to use? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org well, i've used the nvidia binary driver for my 7960GT and it was slightly a convoluted install. granted i'm a gentoo user so i didn't expect it to be point-and-click either way, but from what i hear the ATi driver is much much more friendly an install. but my personal preference, FLOSS-loyalty aside, is nvidia as i just feel they make superior hardware. your mileage and preferences may vary. what troubles in particular, art? artifacts, low refresh, etc.? Art Alexion wrote: > I had trouble with the open source ATi drivers and a widescreen LCD. The > proprietary driver fixed those problems, but I'd be cautious about selecting > the ATi card solely on the basis of the open source drivers. > -- Brent Saner 215.264.0112(cell) 215.362.7696(residence) http://www.thenotebookarmy.org Bill Gates is to hacking as Sid Vicious was to the Sex Pistols: no talent, everyone hates him, and he's just in it for the fame and money. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 03 20:04:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 28699 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 12:04:44 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 12:04:44 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 28669 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 12:04:42 -0800 Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (HELO smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.139) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:04:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 51344 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 20:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO art-kubuntu.local) (art.alexion@verizon.net@63.139.112.162 with plain) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 20:04:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: v_gM09gVM1m7oImI9X8AG7ibpU3HT5D8bPsJpvpp6WW4PLfBdxyouWePc0_byRgyTyqS.u74iA-- From: Art Alexion To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:01:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <31922839.2680491199386889419.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> <200801031438.27637.art.alexion@verizon.net> <477D3E08.4010301@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <477D3E08.4010301@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200801031501.46781.art.alexion@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Which video card to use? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0055968958==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0055968958== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4198854.NhVVCMzHvI"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart4198854.NhVVCMzHvI Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 03 January 2008 14:56:56 brent saner wrote: > what troubles in particular, art? artifacts, low refresh, etc.? > > Art Alexion wrote: > > I had trouble with the open source ATi drivers and a widescreen LCD. = =C2=A0The > > proprietary driver fixed those problems, but I'd be cautious about > > selecting the ATi card solely on the basis of the open source drivers. It just couldn't get the 16:9 thing right at a reasonable resolution, for o= ne. The other problem was with kaffeine-xine =E2=80=94 mplayer seemed OK, but I= prefer=20 kaffeine navigation and interface =E2=80=94 where the picture was ~20 pixel= s high and=20 compressed to about 4 pixels wide. =20 --nextPart4198854.NhVVCMzHvI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUAR30/KkLG/oYII0YuAQKqbwP/ZMRs0Ky2aDIUVCkZCbBYjAbnDwTIEjtX Ubo7s2c8Eq1iOGIik7ayD30vcwvr1a6OP8JSJLz6bEsPdKBcIBtMKcs2xzPjFA28 zLghfNZpbF8kTHspvPrR8t/rPLbdcGJ3QV4CdXBrySxe5PTrdU8TFu63f6O+NiHN Da+iAuJKDOE= =8ctz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4198854.NhVVCMzHvI-- --===============0055968958== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0055968958==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 03 20:08:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 30664 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 12:08:24 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 12:08:24 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 30628 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 12:08:22 -0800 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.230) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:08:22 -0800 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i28so1965007wxd.1 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.79.15 with SMTP id c15mr1251946wfb.105.1199390901214; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:08:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from AeonFlux ( [67.152.192.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm20641892wra.23.2008.01.03.12.08.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:08:20 -0800 (PST) To: "'Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List'" Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:08:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchOQ+RLCEyEc3ZGQfalYT/nEstlEQAAEQUw In-Reply-To: <200801031501.46781.art.alexion@verizon.net> From: Tim Allen Message-ID: <477d40b4.2201360a.686b.fffff77b@mx.google.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Which video card to use? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I assume you're talking about a resolution problem (IE, 1280x1024 on a widescreen monitor), but something to remember, just in case: the aspect ratio on many programs is set to 16:9 for widescreen fullscreen effect, however, most computer widescreen resolutions are 16:10 (IE, 1680x1050). Often adjusting this in graphical preferences of the program can help dramatically. Regards, -Tim -----Original Message----- From: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org [mailto:plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org] On Behalf Of Art Alexion Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:02 PM To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: Re: [PLUG] Which video card to use? It just couldn't get the 16:9 thing right at a reasonable resolution, for one. The other problem was with kaffeine-xine - mplayer seemed OK, but I prefer kaffeine navigation and interface - where the picture was ~20 pixels high and compressed to about 4 pixels wide. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thu Jan 03 20:28:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 1658 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 12:28:33 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 12:28:33 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 1627 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 12:28:31 -0800 Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (HELO smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com) (209.73.179.139) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:28:31 -0800 Received: (qmail 66811 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 20:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO art-kubuntu.local) (art.alexion@verizon.net@63.139.112.162 with plain) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 20:28:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7j5GcwYVM1kzNEKrDJn3_zJZPt5yeBcjzM9Qz4bbyQCDWRhv.6PmHgkIDrsjwQ1OqqW2VLxDDfqYLEuZsPrejEjy9uu_aCIF4BCw0lvqAxIJlPpYRYSt From: Art Alexion To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:25:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <477d40b4.2201360a.686b.fffff77b@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <477d40b4.2201360a.686b.fffff77b@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200801031525.36005.art.alexion@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Which video card to use? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0628099918==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0628099918== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart17402285.TjzjaTVDzc"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart17402285.TjzjaTVDzc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm at work now, but I think the magic combo was something like 1164x856 (o= r=20 something close). Other things were out of range or had weirdly squashed=20 fonts. But that wasn't the only problem. The aforementioned kaffeine problem was = a=20 big deal for me. On Thursday 03 January 2008 15:08:16 Tim Allen wrote: > I assume you're talking about a resolution problem (IE, 1280x1024 on a > widescreen monitor), but something to remember, just in case: the aspect > ratio on many programs is set to 16:9 for widescreen fullscreen effect, > however, most computer widescreen resolutions are 16:10 (IE, 1680x1050). > Often adjusting this in graphical preferences of the program can help > dramatically. > > Regards, > > -Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > [mailto:plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org] On Behalf Of Art Alexion > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:02 PM > To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Which video card to use? > > It just couldn't get the 16:9 thing right at a reasonable resolution, for > one. > > The other problem was with kaffeine-xine - mplayer seemed OK, but I prefer > kaffeine navigation and interface - where the picture was ~20 pixels high > and > compressed to about 4 pixels wide. > > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.o= rg > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announ= ce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/pl= ug --nextPart17402285.TjzjaTVDzc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUAR31Ev0LG/oYII0YuAQL4NgP/c72SiAEwJGrHQj5Vkh23ZX6uIj6PQZTH C1EAUwqO90d71jcMTvLQbaU6iXkgFMIsqLZX2jK27mUyd8s54sIJWxj7dMHp5wvY R7Yiu6JLR0SoJOMc/fJI+NAoY1D0ceK/KNBanQe4WLKZl3YaA7kwzQYeqbSKyGkl GX+oTe3eHrs= =fjnA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart17402285.TjzjaTVDzc-- --===============0628099918== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0628099918==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Jan 04 00:08:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 3366 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 16:08:37 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 16:08:37 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 3329 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 16:08:35 -0800 Received: from web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com (HELO web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.236.71) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:08:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 1875 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2008 00:08:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Y9h9iWsVM1kIP5SNhjaXVtB4.Sq2tVoUNkaKJV1hrOYiTRZTgZJNl9k1dBO9qCdYlQ-- Received: from [68.84.39.7] by web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:08:31 PST Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:08:31 -0800 (PST) From: Julien Mills To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <31922839.2680491199386889419.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <826814.1364.qm@web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Which video card to use? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org "Adam J. Zion" wrote: > My Frankenputer currently has a nVidia Riva 128 (using Ubuntu's nv driver). I > also have Radeon 7200 card which I could install. Which of these cards is > faster for X-Org? I could never get that ATI driver from ATI to work, it froze my machine when I used calc or when the screen saver kicked in. It did look good when it wasn't frozen. I ended up using the ati driver supplied by xorg. It works fine, I get 1440 x 900 (I think) but my glgears (is that it?) is slow, around 220. I'd try the nVidia. Julien ------------------------------------------------------ Julien Mills julienfmills@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Jan 04 00:47:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 11504 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 16:47:24 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 16:47:24 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 11471 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 16:47:22 -0800 Received: from out4.smtp.messagingengine.com (HELO out4.smtp.messagingengine.com) (66.111.4.28) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:47:22 -0800 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AA85A287 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:47:08 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: AH8u/JwMyO+Rn8FUzG6ClAHsUu70y3Gj3A4HJjf4+TNm 1199407628 Received: from mikhail.pvrm (c-76-99-140-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.140.69]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A986EB52F for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:47:08 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Rosewarne To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:46:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20080103051526.34268a5d@macserver.v-system.net> <1199359266.5974.4.camel@bigtux.site> <66cdbbc0801030719k6b1a73fdub12d722ce282e184@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66cdbbc0801030719k6b1a73fdub12d722ce282e184@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200801031946.29828.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Perl Talk Video X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1036846583==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1036846583== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1292119.ITgdjXsGRs"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart1292119.ITgdjXsGRs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 03 January 2008, Alex Launi wrote: > OGG please Agreed, please encode it with the Free Ogg Theora codec. --nextPart1292119.ITgdjXsGRs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHfYHlLE8yW/+QbWIRAuD1AJ9msS7kCl5OYS/Jt0Ez2I7QywBc8gCgqlHF QwAlQnfnbpidIG8beqlCmCM= =MaBE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1292119.ITgdjXsGRs-- --===============1036846583== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1036846583==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Jan 04 00:50:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 13568 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 16:50:52 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 16:50:52 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 13532 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 16:50:50 -0800 Received: from out4.smtp.messagingengine.com (HELO out4.smtp.messagingengine.com) (66.111.4.28) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:50:50 -0800 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7985982F31 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:50:47 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: Ds8BmkjjA1gcDadevxB28uCJeBJZFrgCZH3+ljIk/BS4 1199407847 Received: from mikhail.pvrm (c-76-99-140-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.140.69]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D65AD7A for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:50:47 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Rosewarne To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:50:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20080103051526.34268a5d@macserver.v-system.net> <1199359266.5974.4.camel@bigtux.site> In-Reply-To: <1199359266.5974.4.camel@bigtux.site> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200801031950.14213.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Perl Talk Video X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1987875385==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1987875385== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart20334147.EeuKBEOXTG"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart20334147.EeuKBEOXTG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 03 January 2008, Rich G wrote: > To edit the video - Kino is good for basic editing. I use MainActor to > a little more advanced work (costs but is worth it). Jashaka is "new" > but I don't know anymore about it (I believe it is Java based and maybe > cross platform). Kino is certainly the most mature of the Free offerings, though it is *very= *=20 limited and quite awkward. MainActor is something of an antique and nothin= g=20 particularly special, but it can do more than any of the Free apps at the=20 moment. I'd recommend trying out one of the newer apps based on libMLT, su= ch=20 as KDenLive. They may be somewhat immature, but they might be enough. --nextPart20334147.EeuKBEOXTG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHfYLGLE8yW/+QbWIRAg06AKCW9EucvnxJ2Rns3fkyE+phtfmsKACfWKZL mPnwoQDsRGyzDooWcOhCXtY= =VSvd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart20334147.EeuKBEOXTG-- --===============1987875385== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1987875385==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Jan 04 05:51:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 24934 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 21:51:36 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 21:51:36 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 24903 invoked by uid 111); 3 Jan 2008 21:51:34 -0800 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:51:34 -0800 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w53so2509386pyg.25 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.53.20 with SMTP id b20mr34131465qba.40.1199425892930; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.10.3 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 21:51:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <66cdbbc0801032151h409f1186md10e139c9f11d4d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:51:32 -0500 From: "Alex Launi" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <826814.1364.qm@web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <31922839.2680491199386889419.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> <826814.1364.qm@web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Which video card to use? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1322953612==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1322953612== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_34923_24123099.1199425892875" ------=_Part_34923_24123099.1199425892875 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have awesome performance with the free radeon driver. Much better than my nVidia box, and the nvidia card is significantly more powerful. On Jan 3, 2008 7:08 PM, Julien Mills wrote: > "Adam J. Zion" wrote: > > > My Frankenputer currently has a nVidia Riva 128 (using Ubuntu's nv > driver). I > > also have Radeon 7200 card which I could install. Which of these cards > is > > faster for X-Org? > > I could never get that ATI driver from ATI to work, it froze my machine > when > I used calc or when the screen saver kicked in. It did look good when it > wasn't frozen. I ended up using the ati driver supplied by xorg. It > works > fine, I get 1440 x 900 (I think) but my glgears (is that it?) is slow, > around 220. I'd try the nVidia. > > Julien > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Julien Mills julienfmills@yahoo.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- --Alex Launi ------=_Part_34923_24123099.1199425892875 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have awesome performance with the free radeon driver. Much better than my nVidia box, and the nvidia card is significantly more powerful.

On Jan 3, 2008 7:08 PM, Julien Mills < julienfmills@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Adam J. Zion" < azion1995@verizon.net> wrote:

> My Frankenputer currently has a nVidia Riva 128 (using Ubuntu's nv driver). I
> also have Radeon 7200 card which I could install. Which of these cards is
> faster for X-Org?

I could never get that ATI driver from ATI to work, it froze my machine when
I used calc or when the screen saver kicked in.  It did look good when it
wasn't frozen.   I ended up using the ati driver supplied by xorg.  It works
fine, I get 1440 x 900 (I think) but my glgears (is that it?) is slow,
around 220.  I'd try the nVidia.

Julien

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--Alex Launi ------=_Part_34923_24123099.1199425892875-- --===============1322953612== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1322953612==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Jan 04 18:11:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 395 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 10:11:16 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 10:11:16 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 363 invoked by uid 111); 4 Jan 2008 10:11:13 -0800 Received: from adsl-207-245-72-170.cust.oldcity.dca.net (HELO mawode.com) (207.245.72.170) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:11:13 -0800 Received: (qmail 19734 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Jan 2008 18:10:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:10:59 -0500 From: Walt Mankowski To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Message-ID: <20080104181059.GA15412@mawode.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Pie: rhubarb User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Subject: [PLUG] Date for February PLUG West talk X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1145228504==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1145228504== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ" Content-Disposition: inline --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:37:29PM -0500, Paul Snyder wrote: > On Tue, 06 Nov 2007, Walt Mankowski wrote: >=20 > > > Walt, would you be willing to give your NLP talk on the third > > > Monday of February? > >=20 > > No problem. That should be fine. >=20 > Excellent! I just happened to look at my calendar for next month, and I realized that the third Monday in February (the 18th) turns out to be President's Day. That probably wouldn't be a problem for me, but I'm guessing there's a good chance that Unisys might be closed that day. Do we want to try to reschedule? Walt --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHfnazXfGeK2entYQRApmxAJ9+zr4tzGUg777HegqVpcDcqj591ACffc4G G21Q3N5a8fEHiC7QljAO4Zc= =rGLy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ-- --===============1145228504== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1145228504==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Jan 04 21:43:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 23649 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 13:43:14 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 13:43:14 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 23616 invoked by uid 111); 4 Jan 2008 13:43:12 -0800 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:43:12 -0800 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w53so2844035pyg.25 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:43:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.224.11 with SMTP id b11mr36003973qbr.93.1199482990014; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.197.10 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:43:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <741eae780801041343x282d90bapc43bfaf62eb1d17d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:43:09 -0500 From: TuskenTower To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <20080104181059.GA15412@mawode.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080104181059.GA15412@mawode.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Date for February PLUG West talk X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Jan 4, 2008 1:10 PM, Walt Mankowski wrote: > On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:37:29PM -0500, Paul Snyder wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Nov 2007, Walt Mankowski wrote: > > > > > > Walt, would you be willing to give your NLP talk on the third > > > > Monday of February? > > > > > > No problem. That should be fine. > > > > Excellent! > > I just happened to look at my calendar for next month, and I realized > that the third Monday in February (the 18th) turns out to be > President's Day. That probably wouldn't be a problem for me, but I'm > guessing there's a good chance that Unisys might be closed that day. > Do we want to try to reschedule? > > Walt Feb 18th is a working day at Unisys. Of course, other people might have that day off and not be able to attend. Amul ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Jan 05 17:17:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 25475 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 09:17:30 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 09:17:30 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 25445 invoked by uid 111); 5 Jan 2008 09:17:28 -0800 Received: from web57711.mail.re3.yahoo.com (HELO web57711.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.236.74) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 09:17:28 -0800 Received: (qmail 4265 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2008 17:17:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: knMxm7EVM1nyeMHea0rAwy7yXpAs6DduY_GTKKDQWWYUmYJbfY0aQF_o02kxbqFH_abBeQI_8tvkqfQ.Jz2ZM.H71L._30I9vhRH3Ze5SP6DHPfvMU7mE.OrOmxHp9SbqsZ2lLIx9YxzyEoS2LEprJerrg-- Received: from [68.84.39.7] by web57711.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 09:17:24 PST Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 09:17:24 -0800 (PST) From: Julien Mills To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <66cdbbc0801032151h409f1186md10e139c9f11d4d1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <944551.4188.qm@web57711.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Which video card to use? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Alex: Hmm, maybe when I'm bored one of these days I'll go back and try the radeon driver from ATI. Did you do anything special to get it to work? > I have awesome performance with the free radeon driver. Much better than my > nVidia box, and the nvidia card is significantly more powerful. > > On Jan 3, 2008 7:08 PM, Julien Mills wrote: > > > "Adam J. Zion" wrote: > > > > > My Frankenputer currently has a nVidia Riva 128 (using Ubuntu's nv ------------------------------------------------------ Julien Mills julienfmills@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Jan 05 18:00:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 708 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 10:00:40 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 10:00:40 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 673 invoked by uid 111); 5 Jan 2008 10:00:38 -0800 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.178) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:00:38 -0800 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w53so3142143pyg.25 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:00:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.114.11 with SMTP id r11mr21354741qbm.72.1199556036392; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:00:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.10.3 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:00:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <66cdbbc0801051000va2e8525w129e9b1ed0f4d836@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 13:00:36 -0500 From: "Alex Launi" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <944551.4188.qm@web57711.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <66cdbbc0801032151h409f1186md10e139c9f11d4d1@mail.gmail.com> <944551.4188.qm@web57711.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Which video card to use? X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2129232142==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============2129232142== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2108_31454402.1199556036375" ------=_Part_2108_31454402.1199556036375 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Didn't do anything, just booted. There's some good documentation on dual screen in the Ubuntu wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver On Jan 5, 2008 12:17 PM, Julien Mills wrote: > Alex: > > Hmm, maybe when I'm bored one of these days I'll go back and > try the radeon driver from ATI. Did you do anything special > to get it to work? > > > I have awesome performance with the free radeon driver. Much better than > my > > nVidia box, and the nvidia card is significantly more powerful. > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 7:08 PM, Julien Mills wrote: > > > > > "Adam J. Zion" wrote: > > > > > > > My Frankenputer currently has a nVidia Riva 128 (using Ubuntu's nv > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Julien Mills julienfmills@yahoo.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- --Alex Launi ------=_Part_2108_31454402.1199556036375 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Didn't do anything, just booted. There's some good documentation on dual screen in the Ubuntu wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
 
On Jan 5, 2008 12:17 PM, Julien Mills <julienfmills@yahoo.com> wrote:
Alex:

Hmm, maybe when I'm bored one of these days I'll go back and
try the radeon driver from ATI.  Did you do anything special
to get it to work?

> I have awesome performance with the free radeon driver. Much better than my
> nVidia box, and the nvidia card is significantly more powerful.
>
> On Jan 3, 2008 7:08 PM, Julien Mills <julienfmills@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Adam J. Zion" < azion1995@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > My Frankenputer currently has a nVidia Riva 128 (using Ubuntu's nv


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--Alex Launi ------=_Part_2108_31454402.1199556036375-- --===============2129232142== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============2129232142==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Jan 06 04:42:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 3220 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 20:42:57 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 20:42:57 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 3189 invoked by uid 111); 5 Jan 2008 20:42:54 -0800 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:42:54 -0800 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so1588497anc.31 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.227.20 with SMTP id z20mr31884112ang.106.1199594571085; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:42:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from karnkraft.lan ( [65.78.40.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i37sm73073427wxd.12.2008.01.05.20.42.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:42:50 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Heise To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 05:54:39 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 20070904.708012) References: <20080103051526.34268a5d@macserver.v-system.net> In-Reply-To: <20080103051526.34268a5d@macserver.v-system.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200801060554.39967.heise2k@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Perl Talk Video X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: heise2k@gmail.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Torsdag den 03 January 2008 06.15.26 skrev Brian Vagnoni: > Oh almost forgot. Sorry this has to be done in windows but if someone can > make a suggestion of a good Linux based video editor I would gladly take on > the challenge. I don't know so much about editing, but if you just need to transcode i've had good luck with kmenc15, which is a kde front-end to mencoder. -Bob ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Jan 06 15:46:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 17401 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 07:46:04 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 07:46:04 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 17366 invoked by uid 111); 6 Jan 2008 07:46:02 -0800 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.154) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:46:02 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so3639218fge.25 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.80.5 with SMTP id d5mr19118714fgb.20.1199634358513; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.2.18 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 07:45:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 10:45:58 -0500 From: holdenergy To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [PLUG] Sharing an Internet Connection X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1582340107==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1582340107== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19161_5912794.1199634358517" ------=_Part_19161_5912794.1199634358517 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi - What might be the quickest/cheapest/easiest way to securely share an internet connection. Let me explain. In a shared community with only one DSL connection, multiple different entities connected through one DSL connection but requiring that records be kept for each port, so that in the extreme case of a visit from FBI/RIAA etc only that port is an issue. Ideally getting 2 IPs from the DSL provider would be perfect but that adds $$ if they'd even do it. Furthermore, we don't want one entity soaking up all available bandwidth, so what would be the device to throttle each port to a certain percentage of available, and we actually want to maintain a certain port dedicated for VOIP to ensure quality of service even if the DSL is otherwise at capacity. I have not seen these features in consumer grade routers and I am not sure how far we have to step up to get it, or is there a Linux solution for which I'd be happy to re-purpose an old PC or laptop. Thanks for any help, -Andrew ------=_Part_19161_5912794.1199634358517 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi - What might be the quickest/cheapest/easiest way to securely share an internet connection.

Let me explain. In a shared community with only one DSL connection, multiple different entities connected through one DSL connection but requiring that records be kept for each port, so that in the extreme case of a visit from FBI/RIAA etc only that port is an issue. Ideally getting 2 IPs from the DSL provider would be perfect but that adds $$ if they'd even do it.

Furthermore, we don't want one entity soaking up all available bandwidth, so what would be the device to throttle each port to a certain percentage of available, and we actually want to maintain a certain port dedicated for VOIP to ensure quality of service even if the DSL is otherwise at capacity.

I have not seen these features in consumer grade routers and I am not sure how far we have to step up to get it, or is there a Linux solution for which I'd be happy to re-purpose an old PC or laptop.

Thanks for any help,

-Andrew
------=_Part_19161_5912794.1199634358517-- --===============1582340107== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1582340107==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Jan 06 16:12:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 28322 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 08:12:58 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 08:12:58 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 28293 invoked by uid 111); 6 Jan 2008 08:12:56 -0800 Received: from mail3.panix.com (HELO mail3.panix.com) (166.84.1.74) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 08:12:56 -0800 Received: from mailspool2.panix.com (mailspool2.panix.com [166.84.1.79]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF38F13A8