From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 09:53:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 4664 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 01:53:36 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 01:53:36 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 4632 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 01:53:34 -0800 Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (HELO out2.smtp.messagingengine.com) (66.111.4.26) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:53:34 -0800 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385258ECBE for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 04:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:53:29 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: IO0GVRvc3jDIR4MZcOJQuROhjO49yfbVdfyE/Uk1AoK7 1201859609 Received: from mikhail.pvrm (c-76-99-140-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.140.69]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0305B2987 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 04:53:28 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Rosewarne To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 04:53:11 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <47A25955.26122.AFFD88@infonews.verizon.net> <200802010150.56386.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200802010453.22328.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1627603984==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1627603984== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart200313077.lhh7Y33OZ4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart200313077.lhh7Y33OZ4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I was a Gentoo user for several years, long enough to find out that running= =20 Gentoo on your computer provides approximately the same benefit as painting= a=20 red stripe on your car. --nextPart200313077.lhh7Y33OZ4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHouwSLE8yW/+QbWIRAjGzAKCeTepaDyS4XIqHN0t4vcjTGkwelACaA9ne Qdit07tSVdcJOK6eUOYiLEE= =nz7Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart200313077.lhh7Y33OZ4-- --===============1627603984== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1627603984==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 09:56:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 6516 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 01:56:10 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 01:56:10 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 6479 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 01:56:08 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.187) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:56:08 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so772774rvb.1 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.43.5 with SMTP id v5mr2327755rvj.216.1201859760537; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.156.14 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 01:56:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 01:56:00 -0800 From: "Kristian Erik Hermansen" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <200802010453.22328.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47A25955.26122.AFFD88@infonews.verizon.net> <200802010150.56386.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> <200802010453.22328.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Feb 1, 2008 1:53 AM, Matthew Rosewarne wrote: > I was a Gentoo user for several years, long enough to find out that running > Gentoo on your computer provides approximately the same benefit as painting a > red stripe on your car. Gentoo does not make a great machine for most people. However, there are legitimate uses for it, especially when you need a framework for optimized/custom software builds... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 10:53:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 16505 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 02:53:35 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 02:53:35 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 16475 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 02:53:33 -0800 Received: from vancouver.yorkcabal.org.uk (HELO vancouver.yorkcabal.org.uk) (89.16.166.17) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:53:33 -0800 Received: from lobefin.net ([91.103.132.25] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by vancouver.yorkcabal.org.uk with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JKtWT-0005dC-9A for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:53:29 +0000 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JKtWQ-0005z0-Ge for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:53:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:53:26 +0000 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Message-ID: <20080201105326.GA19180@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <47A25955.26122.AFFD88@infonews.verizon.net> <200802010150.56386.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.18-5-686 i686 X-Uptime: 13 days X-Latin: Hodie Kalendis Februariis MMDCCLXI ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Boomtime, the 32nd day of Chaos in the YOLD 3174 X-DDate: Only 2430114 Shopping Days =?utf-8?Q?Left_?= =?utf-8?Q?Before_X-Day=2E_Umlaut_Zebra_=FCber?= alles! X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Authenticated-Sender: C=UK, ST=North Yorkshire, L=York, O=yorkcabal.org.uk, CN=lobefin.net, EMAIL=hostmaster@yorkcabal.org.uk X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.92 on vancouver.yorkcabal.org.uk; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:53:29 +0000 Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0980630557==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0980630557== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/" Content-Disposition: inline --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 11:40:50PM -0800, Kristian Erik Hermansen said: > Gentoo will be faster (fact). That does not mean it will be > better (opinion)... Can you show me benchmarks that demonstrate that all the time you spend building your software is eventually repaid? e.g., if a build of the X dependency chain takes 12 hours (which it used to, haven't done it in a while), do you save so much time with your lean optimized binaries that you will ever save 12 hours? And can you demonstrate this? --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | Health is merely the slowest possible | | steve@lobefin.net | rate at which one can die. | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHovomSYIMHOpZA44RAu63AJ9TOnocuE5j8OoqA1Yij15b6CERywCeOk8v GoPegEJOLpw3RY6+oys8T2M= =7PXp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/-- --===============0980630557== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0980630557==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 11:25:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 26971 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 03:25:57 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 03:25:57 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 26934 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 03:25:54 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.185) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:25:54 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so791553rvb.1 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.179.25 with SMTP id b25mr2396290rvf.186.1201865149607; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.156.14 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 03:25:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 03:25:49 -0800 From: "Kristian Erik Hermansen" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <20080201105326.GA19180@www.lobefin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47A25955.26122.AFFD88@infonews.verizon.net> <200802010150.56386.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> <20080201105326.GA19180@www.lobefin.net> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Feb 1, 2008 2:53 AM, Stephen Gran wrote: > Can you show me benchmarks that demonstrate that all the time you spend > building your software is eventually repaid? e.g., if a build of the X > dependency chain takes 12 hours (which it used to, haven't done it in a > while), do you save so much time with your lean optimized binaries that > you will ever save 12 hours? And can you demonstrate this? Dude, I have been running Ubuntu since 2004. I ran Gentoo a long time ago (2001-2004, RH before that since 90's). You don't have to preach me on the "return of investment" spiel. What I was trying to get across is that Gentoo does have a legitimate purpose. In fact, a buddy of mine and I are planning to offer a service to millions of people which is built on top of Gentoo exactly because it is required. We have a system which required customized and fast executing binaries. The system doesn't change too often, and it is not graphical (this is a server), so we don't have to worry about 12 hour Gnome builds. The main advantage that Gentoo offers us is an established and tested framework for optimizing our binaries to perfection for production usage. I don't want to give too much away about what we plan to offer yet, but it requires that tools like ffmpeg and mencoder are optimized as much as possible :-) Just using standard i386 (or even plain amd64) binaries are a waste. We have powerful hardware and instruction sets on the hardware which is best utilized when software is built specifically to take advantage of it... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 12:58:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21985 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 04:58:34 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 04:58:34 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21948 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 04:58:32 -0800 Received: from smtpoutwbe08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (HELO smtpoutwbe08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) (208.109.78.210) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:58:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 17254 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 12:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gem-wbe11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) (64.202.189.54) by smtpoutwbe08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 12:58:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 15316 invoked by uid 99); 1 Feb 2008 12:58:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:58:23 -0700 From: skitch@skitchfamily.net To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Message-ID: <20080201055823.43a9628951a8b18132752d65cf1cb95d.8552998e8c.wbe@email.secureserver.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Web-Based Email 4.12.22 X-Originating-IP: 208.255.175.226 Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1095884750==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1095884750== Content-Type: TEXT/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII If Gnome and KDE are to much for your computer why not give Xubuntu a try.  It's Ubuntu with Xfce as the desktop environment. 

Marty Skitch

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions
From: Morgan Jones <morgan@morganjones.org>
Date: Fri, February 01, 2008 12:51 am
To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List
<plug@lists.phillylinux.org>

Chad and Chris are right. I have been using Linux as my primary desktop
for nearly 10 years and I wouldn't run Debian as my desktop. Ubuntu
really is that good.

It's also not dumbed down, it's a competent Linux distro under the hood
that you can learn on and experiment with whenever you like. But you'll
be able to configure the network when you get burned out from learning
the underlying configuration.

-morgan



Chad Vogelsong wrote:
> Bill Diehl wrote:
>> Dear PLUG Members:
>>
>> Thank you all for your replies and suggestions. I really appreciate
>> your responsiveness and willingness to help. I will pursue the
>> resources that you all have provided. Perhaps when I can
>> conclude something more specific I will be better able to ask better
>> questions.
>>
>> Because I learned that Debian was underlying popular Linux
>> distros, like Ubantu and Linspire, I decided to just go with the core
>> distro. Having run both Ubantu and Linspire from their CDs, I also
>> did not want the overhead of the desktops that they have (ran really
>> slowly on my Athlon 1.2GHz Thunderbird).
>>
>> I have been able to configure Debian-Etch with IceWM to eliminate
>> the need for a desktop and have it fully functional as a stand-alone
>> system. The primary obstacle to running Etch daily has been the
>> lack of a functioning network. Because it has been several months
>> since I worked with Etch, I've forgotten most of what I had learned
>> while setting everything up - the networking frustration just burned
>> me out. My goal was to set up a lean Debian configuration and I
>> seemed to be doing pretty well for a newbie until I hit the SAMBA
>> wall.
>>
>> Hopefully the resources that you all provided will inspire me to go
>> back at it again. I know SAMBA is running and the configuration
>> files were set as best as I could determine from the documentation
>> but just did not know how to configure it any differently to make it
>> work. I will see what I can learn from what you all provided. It must
>> be possible to get SAMBA to work with Etch (unless there is a bug
>> in Etch as some have suggested on other forums).
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> --Bill Diehl
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________________
>> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org
>> Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce
>> General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
>>
>>
> I hope you did not just try to run them off the CD to test their speed.
> Running them off the CD is like running them on a 66 MHz PC. The CD's
> are just meant so that you can see what they offer. I run a full Ubuntu
> / GNOME desktop on a Pentium III, 700 MHz with 196 MB RAM and it is
> quite fast. Application load times for Firefox & OpenOffice are under 4
> seconds.
>
> If you are really concerned about not loading down your system, but want
> the ease of use of Ubuntu, try running Xubuntu (http://www.xubuntu.org)
> instead. It uses the lightweight XFce desktop environment and should
> run quite well on your system, as long as you have 64 MB RAM or more.
>
> I think you will find the *buntu family much easier to use than Debian
> and will not cause you a brain drain when trying to set them up. Yes,
> Debian is all great and powerful. It is a father to many other distros,
> but Ubuntu improves upon Debians power by offering exceptional ease of
> use. For simplicity's sake and for your health, please try it.
>
> Chad
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org
> Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce
> General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
___________________________________________________________________________
Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org
Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce
General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
--===============1095884750== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1095884750==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 14:12:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 5654 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 06:12:32 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 06:12:32 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 5636 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 06:12:26 -0800 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.158) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:12:26 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so969558fge.25 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:12:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.81.14 with SMTP id e14mr3195224fgb.42.1201875140298; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:12:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.1.104? ( [69.249.136.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm184599fgg.4.2008.02.01.06.12.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:12:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47A328B8.5020904@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:12:08 -0500 From: brent timothy saner User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List References: <47A25955.26122.AFFD88@infonews.verizon.net> <200802010150.56386.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> In-Reply-To: <200802010150.56386.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0446261393==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0446261393== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigBB0E0A93626C85EE6ECD0040" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigBB0E0A93626C85EE6ECD0040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matthew Rosewarne wrote: > There is a web interface to configuring SAMBA, which you can find in=20 > the "swat" package. > > =20 i think there is also a package for a GTK gui as well... i know the SADMS is a gui tool for joining samba to a domain/setting samba up as a domain. i believe it also lets you define shares. there are also various gnome add-ons that integrate into the file browser, i believe. but definitely agree with you, LiveCD's are NOT an accurate representation of actual speed. > * No, Gentoo users, your OS isn't any faster. > =20 well, it is (forgot where i got the benchmark) but definitely by a negligible amount (something like .01% i'd hazard). personally, that's not why i run a gentoo rig- i run it because it forces me to learn. after the first couple weeks of running it, i could patch, configure, and compile a kernel from source in my sleep. i still don't know why their install guide uses nano for examples- it took me a bit to wean me off of nano because of that. =3D=3DOPINIONS START HERE=3D=3D i definitely wouldn't want to use it as a production box- that's what debian (or *buntu) is for. when i want to play or check out new releases and the shiny, or do homework, or hack around, or just fsck around, that's what gentoo is for. gentoo also is MUCH more transparent than debian-based (which are, in turn, much more transparent than rpm-based). the init system, for example. while debian tries to make the process more friendly, their init system really just ends up adding a layer of obscurity over the system internals. there's some good things and some bad things about EVERY distro. =3D=3DOPINION ENDS HERE=3D=3D but please, distro wars are SO 1998. Bill, i'm glad to have you here. I'm going to give you the best advice out of everyone so far- sure, i'd personally recommend ubuntu to someone new to modern linux, but you need to try all of them (well, maybe not ALL). try as many as you can find. you can't find what's right for YOU without experimenting! distros are getting more and more different as time goes by (already *buntu and debian seem worlds apart, from the internal systems side. i can remember when *buntu was just debian with a facelift and prettier colours.) and there are MANY different distros and branches for a reason! same reason there are different scents and types of soap- people value different things, they like having a choice, and sometimes you need a different kind to do a different job. my $0.02 --=20 Brent Saner 215.264.0112(cell) http://www.thenotebookarmy.org Bill Gates is to hacking as Sid Vicious was to the Sex Pistols: no talent, everyone hates him, and he's just in it for the fame and money= =2E GPG INFO: pub 1024D/832D950A 2008-01-26 uid Brent Timothy Saner uid Brent Timothy Saner (ACE Technology Group, www.acete= chgroup.com) sub 4096g/1C18F61D 2008-01-26 (pgp.mit.edu) FINGERPRINT: 91EC 3B91 17E3 84E8 662A 9911 F2ED 9987 832D 950A --------------enigBB0E0A93626C85EE6ECD0040 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHoyi/8u2Zh4MtlQoRAkhOAJwKfO/pdNzH39a5u73X9UTnWj9z6gCg20Qh FRFTs5MK7pXxkipi2/2Wk2g= =62CJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigBB0E0A93626C85EE6ECD0040-- --===============0446261393== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0446261393==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 18:31:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 1277 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 10:31:28 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 10:31:28 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 1243 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 10:31:25 -0800 Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (HELO out2.smtp.messagingengine.com) (66.111.4.26) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:31:25 -0800 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1B68DEB3 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:31:22 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: 8XCyIEX0yuRmO58pVG6SYx9wRcWgKNnX3PZmQo7K7vlg 1201890682 Received: from mikhail.pvrm (c-76-99-140-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.140.69]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084D525AF5 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:31:22 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Rosewarne To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:31:07 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <47A25955.26122.AFFD88@infonews.verizon.net> <200802010150.56386.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> <47A328B8.5020904@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <47A328B8.5020904@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200802011331.15612.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1241876351==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1241876351== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3174359.mjh8JxsgdC"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart3174359.mjh8JxsgdC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Relax, ye Gentoo-lovers. I never said that Gentoo wasn't useful in a varie= ty=20 of situations, just that it wasn't faster. I'm sure every new Linux user h= as=20 heard talk of Gentoo being "like, totally faster", which might lead some to= =20 get in well over their heads. --nextPart3174359.mjh8JxsgdC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHo2VzLE8yW/+QbWIRAt9OAJ9cqSoLR/PXhPmdjDRhYKChSzoM0ACgiKjf qbKwYKx26cTyRNjabgibl6Y= =ux3C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3174359.mjh8JxsgdC-- --===============1241876351== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1241876351==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 20:11:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 29759 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 12:11:20 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 12:11:20 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 29727 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 12:11:18 -0800 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.184) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:11:18 -0800 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so266502nfd.41 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.170.6 with SMTP id s6mr6949531hue.50.1201896676392; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:11:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from squeezel2.squeezel.com ( [68.37.162.144]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u14sm952018gvf.1.2008.02.01.12.11.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from squeezel.squeezel.com (squeezel.squeezel.com [192.168.1.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by squeezel2.squeezel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4039446C001 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by squeezel.squeezel.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 1086BA8443C; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:11:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:11:11 -0500 From: Mike Chirico To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Message-ID: <20080201201110.GA28236@squeezel.squeezel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: [PLUG] Recommended Reading X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Recomended Reading (all GNU Public License) 1. "Advanced Linux Programming", Mark Mitchell, Jeffrey Oldham, and Alex Samuel, of CodeSourcery LL. (See Downloads for PDF http://www.advancedlinuxprogramming.com/) The above book covers building a "real-world" web server from the ground up in C after giving the reader a good foundation in threads, signals etc. I've found the book to be both fun and in depth. 2. "Programming from the Ground Up: An introduction to programming using Linux assembly language.", Jonathan Bartlett, Edited by Dominick Bruno, Jr. (See http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/pgubook/ProgrammingGroundUp-0-9.pdf) In my opinion, the biggest appeal of Linux and GNU related software, is the ability to play around with code to see how a computer really works. This book on assembly language, which is tailored specific to Linux, brings you down to the registers and individual instructions. However, it's all done by first building on short examples. Regards, Mike Chirico ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 20:46:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 12338 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 12:46:48 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 12:46:48 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 12295 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 12:46:46 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.185) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:46:46 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so892723rvb.1 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.87.13 with SMTP id p13mr2801787rvl.163.1201898798144; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.156.14 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:46:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:46:38 -0800 From: "Kristian Erik Hermansen" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <200802011331.15612.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47A25955.26122.AFFD88@infonews.verizon.net> <200802010150.56386.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> <47A328B8.5020904@gmail.com> <200802011331.15612.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Feb 1, 2008 10:31 AM, Matthew Rosewarne wrote: > Relax, ye Gentoo-lovers. I never said that Gentoo wasn't useful in a variety > of situations, just that it wasn't faster. I'm sure every new Linux user has > heard talk of Gentoo being "like, totally faster", which might lead some to > get in well over their heads. For a normal Desktop, I don't think it is worth the effort. However, you are dead wrong about not being "faster". Do you understand what 3DNOW, MMX, SIMD are? Do you understand that you don't get to use a majority of these when you run a standard i386 binary? I don't know why I am even trying to make my point. I think we all totally agree that the time wasted on building the distro is not great for a desktop. However, when you are utilizing a few software packages that need to be incredibly fast, speed counts and amplifies your return on investment. You think movie studios render film using i386 binaries??!!?!? Ridiculous!!!! There, I just proved a valid use. It does not, however, involve a desktop user... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 20:48:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 14173 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 12:48:36 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 12:48:36 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 14136 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 12:48:34 -0800 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.234) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:48:34 -0800 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c55so1312498wra.11 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:48:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.139.19 with SMTP id m19mr2546181wfd.7.1201898912904; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.9.2 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:48:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <741eae780802011248i25fd4ddauba40c0993808b574@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:48:32 -0500 From: TuskenTower To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <47A328B8.5020904@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47A25955.26122.AFFD88@infonews.verizon.net> <200802010150.56386.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> <47A328B8.5020904@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Feb 1, 2008 9:12 AM, brent timothy saner wrote: > but definitely agree with you, LiveCD's are NOT an accurate > representation of actual speed. > > but please, distro wars are SO 1998. > > > > Bill, i'm glad to have you here. I'm going to give you the best advice > out of everyone so far- sure, i'd personally recommend ubuntu to someone > new to modern linux, but you need to try all of them (well, maybe not > ALL). try as many as you can find. you can't find what's right for YOU > without experimenting! distros are getting more and more different as > time goes by (already *buntu and debian seem worlds apart, from the > internal systems side. i can remember when *buntu was just debian with a > facelift and prettier colours.) and there are MANY different distros and > branches for a reason! same reason there are different scents and types > of soap- people value different things, they like having a choice, and > sometimes you need a different kind to do a different job. > > my $0.02 > > -- > Brent Saner I'll pony up an extra 2cents to go with Brent's. Go with Ubuntu. I first moved to Debian after using OpenSuSE for a while. My move was based on Debian's support for PPC compared to the other distros. I have since moved to Ubuntu because it was the best general purpose distribution to run MythTV on. Ubuntu has made a large number of tasks falling off the log easy. Here's what you should do. Partition your HD with four partitions, one swap, one for /home, on for / and another for a backup linux installation. Install Ubuntu and get comfortable with it. Once you have all the warm fuzzies install a lighter Ubuntu (server for instance) and pick and choose the components you want. If it does not work out, you still have your fall back and you can still redo the spare partition. HTH Amul ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 20:52:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 17461 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 12:52:58 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 12:52:58 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 17435 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 12:52:54 -0800 Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.186) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:52:54 -0800 Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a46so553528rne.10 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:52:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.17 with SMTP id y17mr2539470wfb.54.1201899171828; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:52:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.9.2 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:52:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <741eae780802011252l4f872f2csfdebdad4fd8000ce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:52:51 -0500 From: TuskenTower To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47A25955.26122.AFFD88@infonews.verizon.net> <200802010150.56386.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> <47A328B8.5020904@gmail.com> <200802011331.15612.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Feb 1, 2008 3:46 PM, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > > On Feb 1, 2008 10:31 AM, Matthew Rosewarne wrote: > > Relax, ye Gentoo-lovers. I never said that Gentoo wasn't useful in a variety > > of situations, just that it wasn't faster. I'm sure every new Linux user has > > heard talk of Gentoo being "like, totally faster", which might lead some to > > get in well over their heads. > > For a normal Desktop, I don't think it is worth the effort. However, > you are dead wrong about not being "faster". Do you understand what > 3DNOW, MMX, SIMD are? Do you understand that you don't get to use a > majority of these when you run a standard i386 binary? I don't know > why I am even trying to make my point. I think we all totally agree > that the time wasted on building the distro is not great for a > desktop. However, when you are utilizing a few software packages that > need to be incredibly fast, speed counts and amplifies your return on > investment. You think movie studios render film using i386 > binaries??!!?!? Ridiculous!!!! There, I just proved a valid use. It > does not, however, involve a desktop user... We get the idea. My guess is that, like me, Bill is not willing to trade ease of use for this performance gain. Amul ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 21:10:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 22302 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 13:10:34 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 13:10:34 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 22284 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 13:10:33 -0800 Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (HELO hs-out-2122.google.com) (64.233.178.247) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:10:33 -0800 Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 54so1195519hsz.1 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.82.40 with SMTP id f40mr2845312rvb.0.1201900231863; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.156.14 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:10:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:10:31 -0800 From: "Kristian Erik Hermansen" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <741eae780802011252l4f872f2csfdebdad4fd8000ce@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47A25955.26122.AFFD88@infonews.verizon.net> <200802010150.56386.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> <47A328B8.5020904@gmail.com> <200802011331.15612.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> <741eae780802011252l4f872f2csfdebdad4fd8000ce@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Feb 1, 2008 12:52 PM, TuskenTower wrote: > We get the idea. My guess is that, like me, Bill is not willing to > trade ease of use for this performance gain. Neither would I, so I run Ubuntu. But when performance is based on money in your pocket related to a business venture, I like more money in my pocket :-) -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 21:11:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 24022 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 13:11:10 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 13:11:10 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 23992 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 13:11:09 -0800 Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (HELO out2.smtp.messagingengine.com) (66.111.4.26) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:11:09 -0800 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608618F20D for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:11:02 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: DEpcaBuy9ScoGfu4Jmd/jQFMF16ir9qhm8h/UY/pI/JH 1201900259 Received: from mikhail.pvrm (c-76-99-140-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.140.69]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAEC25B7C for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:10:59 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Rosewarne To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:10:33 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <47A25955.26122.AFFD88@infonews.verizon.net> <200802011331.15612.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200802011610.52043.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1955313238==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1955313238== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2392607.Sx6ZpN0mAS"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart2392607.Sx6ZpN0mAS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 01 February 2008, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > For a normal Desktop, I don't think it is worth the effort. However, > you are dead wrong about not being "faster". Do you understand what > 3DNOW, MMX, SIMD are? Do you understand that you don't get to use a > majority of these when you run a standard i386 binary? I don't know > why I am even trying to make my point. Well, I make good use of the SSE on my chip running Debian. In fact, I jus= t=20 recently had to fix an app because it wasn't using MMX/SSE/3DNow/AltiVec. > I think we all totally agree=20 > that the time wasted on building the distro is not great for a > desktop. However, when you are utilizing a few software packages that > need to be incredibly fast, speed counts and amplifies your return on > investment. You think movie studios render film using i386 > binaries??!!?!? Ridiculous!!!! There, I just proved a valid use. It > does not, however, involve a desktop user... If you look, you'll notice that, for the most part, software that really=20 benefits from SIMD instructions typically either detect them at runtime or= =20 have optimised packages available. If you want to force optimisation for a= ny=20 package, you can use apt-build. --nextPart2392607.Sx6ZpN0mAS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHo4rcLE8yW/+QbWIRAh2dAKCIiqakiQfYfOgJne3oMWwIC1YTHwCZAVzZ TcGZPtn2IwTYLjVJXtPpZmI= =lNW8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2392607.Sx6ZpN0mAS-- --===============1955313238== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1955313238==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 21:26:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 32642 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 13:26:35 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 13:26:35 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 32609 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 13:26:32 -0800 Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (HELO out2.smtp.messagingengine.com) (66.111.4.26) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:26:32 -0800 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCE18E6A9 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:26:29 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: ndLTfAHoz3FAt4hYSWK0x7hFBJUWHP6Jf8m8pRc0B387 1201901189 Received: from mikhail.pvrm (c-76-99-140-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.140.69]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051BDB205 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:26:29 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Rosewarne To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:26:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <47A25955.26122.AFFD88@infonews.verizon.net> <47A328B8.5020904@gmail.com> <741eae780802011248i25fd4ddauba40c0993808b574@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <741eae780802011248i25fd4ddauba40c0993808b574@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200802011626.23030.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1334643716==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1334643716== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3437147.uK2i0SHC3r"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart3437147.uK2i0SHC3r Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 01 February 2008, TuskenTower wrote: > Here's what you should do. Partition your HD with four partitions, > one swap, one for /home, on for / and another for a backup linux > installation. Install Ubuntu and get comfortable with it. Once you > have all the warm fuzzies install a lighter Ubuntu (server for > instance) and pick and choose the components you want. If it does not > work out, you still have your fall back and you can still redo the > spare partition. While Ubuntu certainly is easier for a new user than Debian, the releases o= f=20 Ubuntu tend to cause me too many problems. I originally switched to Debian= =20 from Suse because I grew tired of things breaking due to bad quality contro= l.=20 While I really like the aims of Ubuntu, I'm disappointed with the lack of=20 attention to quality. Fortunately for me, I know enough about Debian to ma= ke=20 it do everything I need, but I generally do recommend a distro such as=20 Kubuntu or Suse to newcomers. For users that already have some UNIX/Linux= =20 knowledge, I don't hesitate to recommend Debian very strongly. I don't want to start any arguments; I'm sure there are plenty of people wh= o=20 are perfectly happy with Ubuntu, this is just what I've experienced. --nextPart3437147.uK2i0SHC3r Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHo45/LE8yW/+QbWIRAhM8AJ4mA5YHYCN96uL8L/jrm41Ifru9wwCbB4wj cFLcOmXMm/45tz1u1g7N5uo= =OL8p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3437147.uK2i0SHC3r-- --===============1334643716== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1334643716==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Fri Feb 01 23:53:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 5591 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 15:53:15 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 15:53:15 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 5563 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 15:53:13 -0800 Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (HELO out2.smtp.messagingengine.com) (66.111.4.26) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:53:13 -0800 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3238CC42 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:53:06 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: 1iZ2EOfrUHTtYFFDof9avzrfjPOuxuBHIdFp4qRlSFfJ 1201909986 Received: from mikhail.pvrm (c-76-99-140-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.140.69]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29818B2CC for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:53:06 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Rosewarne To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:53:00 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200802011853.01452.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> Subject: [PLUG] Sound cards and free drinks X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0961880082==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0961880082== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3321163.DWDSbMy60E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart3321163.DWDSbMy60E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Phonon is a new multimedia framework, soon to be released with Qt 4.4. In= =20 order to ensure that it works well with everyone's audio hardware, the=20 developers of Phonon are collecting as much hardware info as they can. They created a script to gathers info about your machine's audio hardware, = and=20 it would be really appreciated if PLUG readers would help out by using it t= o=20 send in their info. Anyone who sends their info gets a drink at the Best House. :> Please download the script and reply with the output: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/phonon/libkaudiodeviceli= st/soundcardinfo.sh There's nothing personally identifiable, just kernel info supplied by ALSA.= =20 =46or more information about Phonon, see http://phonon.kde.org/ Thanks to everyone for helping! --nextPart3321163.DWDSbMy60E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHo7DdLE8yW/+QbWIRAstEAJsFxe2W+mnBavQx9iayhRdaunkT9ACgg08h ZFLZ9rtyL4d563WjdtsFipk= =6FNe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3321163.DWDSbMy60E-- --===============0961880082== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0961880082==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Feb 02 02:23:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 4769 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 18:23:36 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 18:23:36 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 4745 invoked by uid 111); 1 Feb 2008 18:23:33 -0800 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.246) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:23:33 -0800 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so353872anc.31 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:23:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.136.15 with SMTP id j15mr8860511and.31.1201919009538; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:23:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from karnkraft.lan ( [65.78.40.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d34sm8579199and.8.2008.02.01.18.23.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:23:28 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Heise To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:39:10 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 20070904.708012) References: <47A25955.26122.AFFD88@infonews.verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <47A25955.26122.AFFD88@infonews.verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802020339.10257.heise2k@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Suggestions X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: heise2k@gmail.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Den Friday 01 February 2008 05.27.17 skrev Bill Diehl: > Hopefully the resources that you all provided will inspire me to go > back at it again. I know SAMBA is running and the configuration > files were set as best as I could determine from the documentation > but just did not know how to configure it any differently to make it > work. I will see what I can learn from what you all provided. It must > be possible to get SAMBA to work with Etch (unless there is a bug > in Etch as some have suggested on other forums). Bill, Have you added the users you are trying to use with samba using smbpasswd -a ? -Bob > > Thanks again, > --Bill Diehl > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Feb 02 10:03:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 24833 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 02:03:13 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 02:03:13 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 24801 invoked by uid 111); 2 Feb 2008 02:03:11 -0800 Received: from web3010.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp (HELO web3010.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp) (203.216.249.210) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:03:11 -0800 Received: (qmail 2740 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2008 10:03:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20080202100305.2738.qmail@web3010.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp> Received: from [86.142.147.130] by web3010.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp via HTTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:03:05 JST Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:03:05 +0900 (JST) From: To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <200802011853.01452.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [PLUG] Sound cards and free drinks X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1452741829==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1452741829== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-415882344-1201946585=:2010" --0-415882344-1201946585=:2010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Does the script send out the info? Matthew Rosewarne wrote: Phonon is a new multimedia framework, soon to be released with Qt 4.4. In order to ensure that it works well with everyone's audio hardware, the developers of Phonon are collecting as much hardware info as they can. They created a script to gathers info about your machine's audio hardware, and it would be really appreciated if PLUG readers would help out by using it to send in their info. Anyone who sends their info gets a drink at the Best House. :> Please download the script and reply with the output: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/phonon/libkaudiodevicelist/soundcardinfo.sh There's nothing personally identifiable, just kernel info supplied by ALSA. For more information about Phonon, see http://phonon.kde.org/ Thanks to everyone for helping! ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --------------------------------- Easy + Joy + Powerful = Yahoo! Bookmarks x Toolbar --0-415882344-1201946585=:2010 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-2022-jp Does the script send out the info?

Matthew Rosewarne <mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> wrote:
Phonon is a new multimedia framework, soon to be released with Qt 4.4. In
order to ensure that it works well with everyone's audio hardware, the
developers of Phonon are collecting as much hardware info as they can.

They created a script to gathers info about your machine's audio hardware, and
it would be really appreciated if PLUG readers would help out by using it to
send in their info.

Anyone who sends their info gets a drink at the Best House. :>

Please download the script and reply with the output:
http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/phonon/libkaudiodevicelist/soundcardinfo.sh

There's nothing personally identifiable, just kernel info supplied by ALSA.

For more information about Phonon, see
http://phonon.kde.org/


Thanks to everyone for helping!
___________________________________________________________________________
Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org
Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce
General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug

 

Easy + Joy + Powerful = Yahoo! Bookmarks x Toolbar
--0-415882344-1201946585=:2010-- --===============1452741829== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1452741829==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Feb 02 16:15:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 20365 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 08:15:45 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 08:15:45 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 20291 invoked by uid 111); 2 Feb 2008 08:15:42 -0800 Received: from cva003.cvanet.com (HELO cva003.cvanet.com) (216.158.16.3) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:15:42 -0800 Received: from cva003.cvanet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cva003.cvanet.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id m12GFY9T019600 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:15:37 -0500 Received: (from dysplug@localhost) by cva003.cvanet.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) id m12GFX8a019598 for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:15:33 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:15:32 -0500 From: John Kirk To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Message-ID: <20080202161532.GA18483@cvanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Subject: [PLUG] meetings announcement web page needs maintenance X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Paul, Elizabeth, or whomever, This month's (February) PLUG West announcement shows "Unisys, Malvern" as the location of the meeting, but I believe it's really scheduled to meet at Bhaskar's facility nearby, instead. I'd hate to see folks miss a good presentation and feel annoyed, but don't know how to update the announcement page myself. On another note, the next month (March) I'm scheduled to give a PDL talk, but we don't have a specific date entered for it. Are we still undecided about that, and have to discuss it at this month's meeting before we can fill that in on the announcements page? regards, -- John Kirk ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Feb 02 17:41:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 10493 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 09:41:38 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 09:41:38 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 10463 invoked by uid 111); 2 Feb 2008 09:41:36 -0800 Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.1) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:41:36 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([72.81.127.115]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JVM005KRGLB8405@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:29:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.516 [269.19.10/1240]); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:42:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:42:51 -0500 From: "Bill Diehl" To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Message-id: <47A4654B.9914.762DD0@infonews.verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body Priority: normal Subject: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Goal Summary X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Dear Members: When I first posted to this list, my primary goal was to find out if my queries were appropriate for this group. That is why I did not post much detail. I greatly appreciate your reception. Now that I know you are all OK with my questions, I can summarize my goals. Of highest priority is getting networking set up among my Debian- based computer and the 2 other Windows 98SE computers in our house for file/folder and printer sharing with my computer being the host. My research led me to believe that SAMBA was the preferred method to connect a Linux machine to Windows machines. Second, it looks as if I will have to abandon my touchpad (built into my keyboard) because the manufacture does not know when it will release the Linux driver under development. So, I understand that Logitech supports Linux well and I will want to find a good wired, PS/2, optical, scroll-wheel mouse (perhaps with 3 buttons) with drivers for Debian and Win98SE so I can configure pointer speed, size, etc. Third, I would like to find a utility that replaces PaperPort, to which I print statements and receipts to archive in digital format. PaperPort creates .max graphic images, which may be bitmaps or TIFF - I am not sure. Because I have so many of these images and it is convenient to keep digital documents, rather than wasting paper, I would like to find something compatible. If such is not available, I could start using PDFs - which would lead me to find a good PDF creator/converter/printer driver (I currently use PDF995 with Win98SE). Fourth, I have a U.S. Robotics Courier V.Everything Fax/Modem which I use to fax documents directly from applications via HotFax Message Center through COM2. I will need to find Linux compatible drivers and fax software so I can continue to fax documents when needed. Fifth, being able to continue using my AFGA SnapScan 1212u scanner would be greatly desired (or replace it with one having Linux and Win98SE support). AFGA sold its scanner division and very little support is available for this scanner from the new company. Right now, the above are what keeps me from using Debian as my main and preferred OS (vs. Windows, that is). When I first embarked on learning to use computers 20+ years ago, I started with DOS 3.3, a book by Peter Norton, and a mentor. It was fun playing with batch files, ANSI codes, and alternate configurations. Learning to tweak Linux configuration files to make things work as I want them brings back some of that fun. I suspect, though, I will have to learn it step-by-step with mentors and published materials just as I did with DOS and Windows over the years. BACK STORY: Through multiple trials, I learned how to get a bare bones install of Debian-Etch. When it first booted, all I had to work with was a command prompt. Using various books and online sources, I began to install only what I wanted. It was not so much a matter of speed but my desire to minimize the clutter and overhead from installing things that did not serve my purposes. For a newbie, I thought I did well when I accomplished the following: Installed and used Aptitude to install only desired apps, like: Midnight Commander X IceWM Text Editors (can't remember their names, now) OpenOffice IceWeasle IceDove Adobe Reader PCmanFM CUPS for 2 USB printers (HP LJ 1200, Canon i560) Audio mixer (can't remember which one(s)) Some others that I can't remember right off. When needed, I used a text editor to tweak the configuration files to refine the apps, like IceWM so the menus worked as I wanted and X to set up dual monitors on an old ATi Radeon VE (7000) dual-head video card. Eventually, I'd like to learn how to set each monitor as a separate desktop, rather than an extended desktop. Unfortunately, not being able to resolve the 5 issues noted above made me revert back to using Win98SE and I've now forgotten most of what I learned. Hopefully I will recall much when I start working with Debian again. UBANTU: I was all ready to go with Ubantu, before deciding on Debian, until I learned that it would not work with my preferred boot commander (System Commander). It did run slowly on my machine from the CD, as I expected, but there was something about it that was not appealing to me at the time. A young fellow who I helped with partitioning his hard drive and installing Ubantu thinks it is just as wonderful as many on this list do. I have nothing against Ubantu, I just wanted to start from scratch and create a system configuration that suited me just for fun. So, I chose Debian. RESOURCES: To accomplish my goals with Debian, I know I need help and I want to have fun with it (Windows has been useful but not much fun). Helpful mentors, books, lists, forums, websites, etc. are what I will need as I plod along learning Debian and Linux step-by-step. At this time, I don't have the time, energy, or ability to play with different distros. Considering how much I've achieved with Debian so far, the few goals that I listed above should be achievable. If I have to abandon Debian, then I will consider other distro, as others have recommended. STARTING AGAIN: Before I can post more specific questions and perhaps configuration files/settings for review, I have to refamiliarize myself with what I've installed and configured. I will also utilize the resources that have been offered so far. It may be slow going but having connected with you folks has given me new hope and inspiration. Thank you for your support. With Gratitude, Bill Diehl ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Feb 02 18:45:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 23581 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 10:45:32 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 10:45:32 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 23551 invoked by uid 111); 2 Feb 2008 10:45:29 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.187) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:45:29 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so1078652rvb.1 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.74.17 with SMTP id b17mr3434117rvl.123.1201977925184; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.156.14 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:45:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:45:25 -0800 From: "Kristian Erik Hermansen" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <47A4654B.9914.762DD0@infonews.verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47A4654B.9914.762DD0@infonews.verizon.net> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Goal Summary X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Feb 2, 2008 9:42 AM, Bill Diehl wrote: > Of highest priority is getting networking set up among my Debian- > based computer and the 2 other Windows 98SE computers in our > house for file/folder and printer sharing with my computer being the > host. My research led me to believe that SAMBA was the preferred > method to connect a Linux machine to Windows machines. Yes, Samba is perhaps the best protocol to do this! > Second, it looks as if I will have to abandon my touchpad (built into > my keyboard) because the manufacture does not know when it will > release the Linux driver under development. So, I understand that > Logitech supports Linux well and I will want to find a good wired, > PS/2, optical, scroll-wheel mouse (perhaps with 3 buttons) with > drivers for Debian and Win98SE so I can configure pointer speed, > size, etc. Most mice will work these days. I am surprised that your Logitech touchpad does not... > Third, I would like to find a utility that replaces PaperPort, to which I > print statements and receipts to archive in digital format. PaperPort > creates .max graphic images, which may be bitmaps or TIFF - I am > not sure. Because I have so many of these images and it is > convenient to keep digital documents, rather than wasting paper, I > would like to find something compatible. If such is not available, I > could start using PDFs - which would lead me to find a good PDF > creator/converter/printer driver (I currently use PDF995 with > Win98SE). By default, at least in Ubuntu, printing to PDF is automatically setup for you. Perhaps it is in many other distros as well. If not, you can always scan to PDF using xsane... > Fourth, I have a U.S. Robotics Courier V.Everything Fax/Modem > which I use to fax documents directly from applications via HotFax > Message Center through COM2. I will need to find Linux > compatible drivers and fax software so I can continue to fax > documents when needed. If it is a winmodem, you might have trouble. However, you can use Ubuntu's autoconfig tool to get most modems working, even winmodems... $ sudo restricted-manager After you check the box for your modem, you can then install gfax and efax or hylafax. I have used them before to send faxes via my cellphone connected to my computer in 2003 or 2004, which was pretty cool. Nowadays I just scold anyone who tells me to use a fax. It is dead technology. I tell them, "...listen, why don't you just scan it in and email it to me, ummmkay?" Don't forget to mention that faxing 100 page documents really sucks... $ sudo aptitude install gfax > Fifth, being able to continue using my AFGA SnapScan 1212u > scanner would be greatly desired (or replace it with one having > Linux and Win98SE support). AFGA sold its scanner division and > very little support is available for this scanner from the new > company. You SnapScan scanner should work just fine in Linux using xsane. It doesn't have "complete" support, but it is the next level down which is "good" support. Perhaps some features won't work, but those are usually the features that you don't normally use either... http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html http://www.sane-project.org/man/sane-snapscan.5.html > Right now, the above are what keeps me from using Debian as my > main and preferred OS (vs. Windows, that is). When I first > embarked on learning to use computers 20+ years ago, I started > with DOS 3.3, a book by Peter Norton, and a mentor. It was fun > playing with batch files, ANSI codes, and alternate configurations. > Learning to tweak Linux configuration files to make things work as I > want them brings back some of that fun. I suspect, though, I will > have to learn it step-by-step with mentors and published materials > just as I did with DOS and Windows over the years. Cool. If you want to get smashed in the face with knowledge that will probably return you back to Windows because there is so much to learn, try these other distros, which will give you the gory details about how everything works. Now, you have to be very brave to go through them, especially if you are not a programmer and familiar with lots of this stuff. I was an undergrad electrical engineering student when I embarked on these journeys, but maybe you don't have to be :-) Linux From Scratch (you get nothing but gcc, and have to learn everything else. Build your OS from scratch): http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ Gentoo (gives you a framework for customization, but not completely from scratch -- a tad easier than LFS): http://www.gentoo.org/ > I was all ready to go with Ubantu, before deciding on Debian, until I > learned that it would not work with my preferred boot commander > (System Commander). It did run slowly on my machine from the > CD, as I expected, but there was something about it that was not GRUB is the standard boot loader on Linux, and it will boot other OSs as well. Xubuntu utilizes XFCE and may be what you want to use if you require a faster/leaner desktop experience... > Before I can post more specific questions and perhaps > configuration files/settings for review, I have to refamiliarize myself > with what I've installed and configured. I will also utilize the > resources that have been offered so far. It may be slow going but > having connected with you folks has given me new hope and > inspiration. Thank you for your support. Good luck on your journey :-) -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Feb 02 19:41:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 9613 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 11:41:13 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 11:41:13 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 9570 invoked by uid 111); 2 Feb 2008 11:41:10 -0800 Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (HELO QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.96) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:41:10 -0800 Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kjUd1Y0030SCNGk5900W00; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:40:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.168.7] ([69.253.130.163]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kjh61Y00C3XgKel3V00000; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:41:07 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jqcalv5EAAAA:8 a=1PHZPr7AAAAA:8 a=JFNAqkRhYKVpdyVHVokA:9 a=cLHiIE1ptfwnOpBa18IvC9xECvAA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Message-ID: <47A4C773.8000906@op.net> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:41:39 -0500 From: jeff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Subject: [PLUG] pilot-ing X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I figure I've done a few hours' homework, so now it's time to ask someone who might know. With my newfound 99% Windows-freedom comes the responsibility of the Treo (Palm). I got it communicating with Evolution at work. Aside from gpilotd tending to suck up 99% of the cpu, it works fine. My new quest is to install files to the device. Having gone through jpilot, gpilot, and kpilot, I'm stumped. All want to install ONLY palm files (.prc .pdb etc). On kpilot it gives a default mask, which I somehow overrode, but the program told me no anyway. Kpilotd also crashes predictably. It's obviously possible because it does so with the Palm desktop, as well as a few utility progs under a different OS. I'll try Wine (the program or the drink, if necessary) but I don't have tremendous faith in it surviving the port dilemma, if nothing else (/dev/ttyUSB1 currently). I have a different OS running in a VM but I'd prefer never to see that one again. Thanks from my palm to yours. -jeff -- ------------------------------------------------- blog: ThermionicEmissions http://www.lockergnome.com/leftystrat SO's guide to DID/MPD http://www.op.net/~jeffv/so1.htm ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Feb 02 19:54:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 15434 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 11:54:20 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 11:54:20 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 15401 invoked by uid 111); 2 Feb 2008 11:54:18 -0800 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.237) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:54:18 -0800 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i28so1606634wxd.1 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.49.4 with SMTP id w4mr2865891wfw.167.1201982057352; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.123.5 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:54:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:54:17 -0500 From: "K.S. Bhaskar" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <20080202161532.GA18483@cvanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080202161532.GA18483@cvanet.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8bc3fa68a91dc73f Subject: Re: [PLUG] meetings announcement web page needs maintenance X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org That is correct. The February PLUG West meeting is planned at the offices of: Fidelity National Information Services 2 West Liberty Blvd, Suite 300 Malvern, PA 19355 It's about a half mile west of Unisys. Regards -- Bhaskar On Feb 2, 2008 11:15 AM, John Kirk wrote: > Paul, Elizabeth, or whomever, > > This month's (February) PLUG West announcement shows "Unisys, Malvern" as the > location of the meeting, but I believe it's really scheduled to meet at Bhaskar's > facility nearby, instead. > > I'd hate to see folks miss a good presentation and feel annoyed, but don't know > how to update the announcement page myself. > > On another note, the next month (March) I'm scheduled to give a PDL talk, but > we don't have a specific date entered for it. Are we still undecided about that, > and have to discuss it at this month's meeting before we can fill that in on the > announcements page? > > regards, -- John Kirk > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Feb 02 20:24:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 22297 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 12:24:14 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 12:24:14 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 22265 invoked by uid 111); 2 Feb 2008 12:24:11 -0800 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (HELO vms040pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.40) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:24:11 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([72.81.127.115]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JVM00DMZORFLL44@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:26:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.516 [269.19.10/1240]); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:25:24 -0500 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:25:22 -0500 From: "Bill Diehl" To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Message-id: <47A48B62.24821.10AFAFE@infonews.verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body Priority: normal Subject: [PLUG] I'm Convinced To Try Ubuntu X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org OK, folks, you convinced me to try Ubuntu. Now I hope this does not spark a war over which derivative of Ubuntu is best, since Xubuntu looks to be of most interest to me at this time. My Athlon 1.2GHz T-Bird with 512MB RAM should handle any derivative of Ubuntu - I just don't want unnecessary clutter and overhead on my computer (geez, if I wanted that I would upgrade to XP or Vista, right?). I may be stubborn and attached to my current configuration but I have also learned to let go when it makes sense to do so. So, I will abandon my favorite boot commander and allow GRUB to take over for boot loading and abandon my Debian install (for now). It may take awhile until time allows to repartition my hard drive and install Xubuntu. I do hope that it will allow me to remove what I don't want and install what I do want (which is the main reason I chose Debian). But at least now I know where to go for help if/when I really get stuck on something - right folks? Thank you for your persistence in pointing me in a more sane direction. I look forward to finally using Linux, rather than struggle with it. In time, I will learn what I need to know and enjoy the experience. With Gratitude, Bill Diehl ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Feb 02 21:08:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 5801 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 13:08:55 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 13:08:55 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 5770 invoked by uid 111); 2 Feb 2008 13:08:52 -0800 Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (HELO hs-out-2122.google.com) (64.233.178.241) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:08:52 -0800 Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 54so1560792hsz.1 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.162.8 with SMTP id p8mr2902366wfo.49.1201986531025; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.123.1 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:08:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4cb4bda10802021308k76864d8dg537ecc9e6e1d6d3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:08:51 -0500 From: "Jonathan Bringhurst" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <47A48B62.24821.10AFAFE@infonews.verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47A48B62.24821.10AFAFE@infonews.verizon.net> Subject: Re: [PLUG] I'm Convinced To Try Ubuntu X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Hey Bill, I just figured I'd mention that I often use the term Ubuntu to say what linux distro I'm running. However, I usually use Xubuntu in practice. I think most people will refer to the family of Ubuntu products (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu, etc) as just "Ubuntu" to simplify things since they're basically the same thing with a different *-desktop package installed. It also helps those new to linux, since there are quite a few people who may have heard "Ubuntu" in passing and aren't familiar with all of the variations. In short, you're not likely to start a war over what variation of Ubuntu you use. Of course saying *this* might start a war however. ;) -Jon On Feb 2, 2008 3:25 PM, Bill Diehl wrote: > OK, folks, you convinced me to try Ubuntu. Now I hope this does > not spark a war over which derivative of Ubuntu is best, since > Xubuntu looks to be of most interest to me at this time. > > My Athlon 1.2GHz T-Bird with 512MB RAM should handle any > derivative of Ubuntu - I just don't want unnecessary clutter and > overhead on my computer (geez, if I wanted that I would upgrade > to XP or Vista, right?). > > I may be stubborn and attached to my current configuration but I > have also learned to let go when it makes sense to do so. So, I will > abandon my favorite boot commander and allow GRUB to take > over for boot loading and abandon my Debian install (for now). > > It may take awhile until time allows to repartition my hard drive and > install Xubuntu. I do hope that it will allow me to remove what I > don't want and install what I do want (which is the main reason I > chose Debian). But at least now I know where to go for help > if/when I really get stuck on something - right folks? > > Thank you for your persistence in pointing me in a more sane > direction. I look forward to finally using Linux, rather than struggle > with it. In time, I will learn what I need to know and enjoy the > experience. > > With Gratitude, > Bill Diehl > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Feb 02 21:29:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 11099 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 13:29:01 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 13:29:01 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 11057 invoked by uid 111); 2 Feb 2008 13:28:59 -0800 Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (HELO hs-out-2122.google.com) (64.233.178.249) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:28:59 -0800 Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 54so1566955hsz.1 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.112.5 with SMTP id k5mr2904263wfc.57.1201987737834; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:28:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.2.7 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:28:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <13ae6a200802021328j2dcc33g309482a8fdf92132@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:28:57 -0500 From: "Elizabeth Bevilacqua" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <20080202161532.GA18483@cvanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080202161532.GA18483@cvanet.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] meetings announcement web page needs maintenance X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On 2/2/08, John Kirk wrote: > This month's (February) PLUG West announcement shows "Unisys, Malvern" as the > location of the meeting, but I believe it's really scheduled to meet at Bhaskar's > facility nearby, instead. OK, I just updated the page and linked to Bhaskar's reply with the address. Thanks John! > On another note, the next month (March) I'm scheduled to give a PDL talk, but > we don't have a specific date entered for it. Are we still undecided about that, > and have to discuss it at this month's meeting before we can fill that in on the > announcements page? As yet it's undecided. This is Paul's arena, but since you're the presenter I expect it's going to be mostly up to you. - Lyz -- Elizabeth Bevilacqua http://www.princessleia.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Feb 02 21:37:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 14833 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 13:37:11 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 13:37:11 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 14796 invoked by uid 111); 2 Feb 2008 13:37:09 -0800 Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (HELO out2.smtp.messagingengine.com) (66.111.4.26) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:37:09 -0800 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10808F5EB for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:36:55 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: +P/z/uACK79xyEss/jXQ4x+I4s8Tr+clNpB/kd8LA8cP 1201988215 Received: from mikhail.pvrm (c-76-99-140-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.140.69]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D06410746 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:36:55 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Rosewarne To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:36:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20080202100305.2738.qmail@web3010.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <20080202100305.2738.qmail@web3010.mail.tnz.yahoo.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200802021636.55085.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Sound cards and free drinks X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1136491263==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1136491263== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1655799.o81re8RODD"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart1655799.o81re8RODD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 02 February 2008, kamiza103@yahoo.co.jp wrote: > Does the script send out the info? It just writes it to the console. You can either > it to a file and attach= it=20 or copy and paste it. --nextPart1655799.o81re8RODD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHpOJ3LE8yW/+QbWIRAifbAJ9dAblgmebtfyIpn+oKE+OO9FHUDACfSfJE ZbTJRrx0nuZOiJ+fudlZbng= =7Xo+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1655799.o81re8RODD-- --===============1136491263== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1136491263==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Feb 02 22:09:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 24844 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 14:09:12 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 14:09:12 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 24813 invoked by uid 111); 2 Feb 2008 14:09:10 -0800 Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (HELO QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.80) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:09:10 -0800 Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kjGT1Y00617dt5G5809100; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:09:04 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.50] ([76.26.20.139]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id km941Y00H302Yuc3Z00000; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:09:07 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-YoLC9unw4AA:10 a=sb9mDYc6f7VHgXpNHIIA:9 a=lBmG2JwjFAPdYYVLxhUA:7 a=Pd1wRjaOf6zTOsUuu9RuBuRK1tAA:4 a=zUBsD6tbDSsA:10 Message-ID: <47A4E9FF.2030105@esmiley.net> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:09:03 -0500 From: Eugene Smiley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List References: <47A48B62.24821.10AFAFE@infonews.verizon.net> <4cb4bda10802021308k76864d8dg537ecc9e6e1d6d3f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4cb4bda10802021308k76864d8dg537ecc9e6e1d6d3f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] I'm Convinced To Try Ubuntu X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Jonathan Bringhurst wrote: > I just figured I'd mention that I often use the term Ubuntu to say > what linux distro I'm running. However, I usually use Xubuntu in > practice. I think most people will refer to the family of Ubuntu > products (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu, etc) as just "Ubuntu" to simplify > things since they're basically the same thing with a different > *-desktop package installed. It also helps those new to linux, since > there are quite a few people who may have heard "Ubuntu" in passing > and aren't familiar with all of the variations. > > In short, you're not likely to start a war over what variation of > Ubuntu you use. Of course saying *this* might start a war however. ;) Out of curiousity can *buntu be installed from the disk sans X, say for a server install? I'm not worried about headless install or console vs. gui install. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Feb 02 22:10:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 26800 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 14:10:43 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO winter.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 14:10:43 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 26777 invoked by uid 111); 2 Feb 2008 14:10:42 -0800 Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (HELO out2.smtp.messagingengine.com) (66.111.4.26) by winter.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:10:42 -0800 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FBC8F463 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:10:39 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: DZe/E+uLS5pWkSHar5D2zeDuq2MXJvAWEQvvfIFEIjEs 1201990238 Received: from mikhail.pvrm (c-76-99-140-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.140.69]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE351B4E5 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:10:38 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Rosewarne To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:10:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <47A4654B.9914.762DD0@infonews.verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <47A4654B.9914.762DD0@infonews.verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200802021710.35691.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Debian-SAMBA Goal Summary X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1303574009==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1303574009== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart5075258.U2P3qRlZfO"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart5075258.U2P3qRlZfO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 02 February 2008, Bill Diehl wrote: > Of highest priority is getting networking set up among my Debian- > based computer and the 2 other Windows 98SE computers in our > house for file/folder and printer sharing with my computer being the > host. My research led me to believe that SAMBA was the preferred > method to connect a Linux machine to Windows machines. Samba is indeed the preferred way to connect Windows machines to Linux=20 machines. I find it somewhat awkward to use, but fortunately I don't have= =20 any Windows machines. > Second, it looks as if I will have to abandon my touchpad (built into > my keyboard) because the manufacture does not know when it will > release the Linux driver under development. So, I understand that > Logitech supports Linux well and I will want to find a good wired, > PS/2, optical, scro