From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Mar 01 08:11:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 27334 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 00:11:36 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 00:11:36 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 27304 invoked by uid 104); 1 Mar 2008 00:11:34 -0800 Received: from macserver.v-system.net (HELO macserver.v-system.net) (75.147.85.146) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:11:34 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL: 0.477,BAYES_00: -1.665,HTML_MESSAGE: 0.001, CUSTOM_RULE_SUBJECT: ALLOW,TOTAL_SCORE: -1.187 X-Spam-Level: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by macserver.v-system.net for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 03:11:25 -0500 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" From: "Brian Vagnoni" In-Reply-To: 47C8E773.1070305@jpsdomain.org Message-ID: <20080301081125.50c0cf80@macserver.v-system.net> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 03:11:25 -0500 X-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080201 Firefox/2.0.0.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [PLUG] OLPC Comments X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0126357831==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0126357831== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------d52169ca0474c92e92d983ae9250babc" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -------------d52169ca0474c92e92d983ae9250babc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I say wait another cpu/ram/display/video adapter generation otherwise yo= u will pay a lot for performance/battery life, or not get good performan= ce. MetaRAM looks very promising and it's suppose to be a 1/10 of the co= st. So just imagine increasing your memory by an order of magnitude more= than you have now for the same amount of money. I saw the eeepc at Shmoo wasn't impressed though I admit I'm hard to imp= ress. Celeron cpu, very small screen that won't quite do 800x600 which f= or some programs is a real problem. I would rather by a high-end Dell, o= r Sager, EuroComm or Alienware aka Dell these days and know that I have = a real desktop under the hood. I like that Dell 20' portable, not quite= a laptop but it does look very cool.=20 I'd would also consider a Macbook too. I believe you get what you pay fo= r, and most hardware vendors are working off of supermarket margins. I stick with my xv6800 for handheld until something real comes along. Th= e xv6800 has 256 mb and a 400mhz cpu plus MW6, with a 2gb MicroSD card i= t works out nice. Many more apps are available and they work ok. I was e= ven able to stream music from my PowerMac G5 to my phone over the EDVO = network.=20 Brian Vagnoni =20 PGP Digital Fingerprint F076 6EEE 06E5 BEEF EBBD BD36 F29E 850D FC32 3955 =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =20 From: JP Vossen [mailto:jp@jpsdomain.org] To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Sent: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:19:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [PLUG] OLPC Comments > Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:00:30 -0500 > From: Casey Bralla > Subject: [PLUG] OLPC Comments >=20 > My dad bought a couple of the OLPC mini-laptops (You buy 2. You get= 1, the other is=20 > donated). He messed around with it for a while, then sent it to me = to try. I was=20 > not very impressed. [...] > All in all, a great disappointment. =20 Not to be too much of a grinch, but this is exactly why they didn't=20 really want to sell the units at all. I guess the payout from the G1G= 1=20 program was too much for them to resist. =20 OLPC is a very specific platform, designed expressly for a very specif= ic=20 purpose. It is not a general purpose PC; it never was, and it never= =20 will be. (Well, unless you nuke it back to the stone-age and install= =20 Ubuntu or something on it, if that's even possible.) =20 If you want a small, general purpose Linux PC get an eeepc or one of t= he=20 clones that are starting to emerge. =20 Now, having said that, I fired it up in VMware a while ago and was=20 totally baffled by the interface too. We aren't the target audience,= =20 and while you can argue that skilled learned on the OLPC aren't very= =20 transferable, in the environment for which it was purpose-built, that= =20 isn't going to matter much. =20 In the correct context, it's an amazing idea, design, and=20 implementation. Some of the security features are especially brillian= t,=20 though many don't transfer to the generic PC design we're all familiar= =20 with. (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Bitfrost and=20 http://dev.laptop.org/git=3Fp=3Dsecurity;a=3Dblob;f=3Dbitfrost.txt, al= so=20 http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/one=5Flaptop=5Fper.html) =20 My $0.02, JP ----------------------------|:::=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|-------------------= ------------ JP Vossen, CISSP |:::=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| jp{at}jpsdo= main{dot}org My Account, My Opinions |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| http://= www.jpsdomain.org/ ----------------------------|=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|-------------= ------------------ Microsoft has single-handedly nullified Moore's Law. Innate design flaws of Windows make a personal firewall, anti-virus and anti-malware software mandatory. The resulting software arms race has effectively flattened Moore's Law on hardware running Windows. =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinu= x.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-ann= ounce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo= /plug =20 -------------d52169ca0474c92e92d983ae9250babc Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I say wait another cpu/ram/display/video adapter generation otherwise yo= u will pay a lot for performance/battery life, or not get good performan= ce. MetaRAM looks very promising and it's suppose to be a 1/10 of the co= st. So just imagine increasing your memory by an order of magnitude more= than you have now for the same amount of money.

I saw the eeepc = at Shmoo wasn't impressed though I admit I'm hard to impress. Celeron cp= u, very small screen that won't quite do 800x600 which for some programs= is a real problem. I would rather by a high-end Dell, or Sager, EuroCom= m or Alienware aka Dell these days and know that I have a real desktop u= nder the hood.  I like that Dell 20' portable, not quite a laptop b= ut it does look very cool.

I'd would also consider a Macbook too= . I believe you get what you pay for, and most hardware vendors are work= ing off of supermarket margins.

I stick with my xv6800 for handhe= ld until something real comes along. The xv6800 has 256 mb and a 400mhz = cpu plus MW6, with a 2gb MicroSD card it works out nice. Many more apps = are available and they work ok. I was even able to stream music from my = PowerMac G5  to my phone over the EDVO network.

Brian Vagno= ni



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From: JP Vossen [mailto:jp@jpsdomain.org]
To:<= /b> plug@lists.phillylinux.org
Sent: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:19:47= -0500
Subject: Re: [PLUG] OLPC Comments

> Date: Fri= , 29 Feb 2008 19:00:30 -0500
> From: Casey Bralla <Ma= ilList@NerdWorld.org>
> Subject: [PLUG] OLPC Comments
>
> My dad bought a couple of the OLPC mini-laptops (You buy 2. You ge= t 1, the other is
> donated). He messed around with it for a while, then sent it to me= to try. I was
> not very impressed.
[...]
> All in all, a great disappointment.

Not to be too much of a grinch, but this is exactly why they didn't
really want to sell the units at all. I guess the payout from the G1G1 =
program was too much for them to resist.

OLPC is a very specific platform, designed expressly for a very specific=
purpose. It is not a general purpose PC; it never was, and it never will be. (Well, unless you nuke it back to the stone-age and install Ubuntu or something on it, if that's even possible.)

If you want a small, general purpose Linux PC get an eeepc or one of the=
clones that are starting to emerge.

Now, having said that, I fired it up in VMware a while ago and was
totally baffled by the interface too. We aren't the target audience, and while you can argue that skilled learned on the OLPC aren't very transferable, in the environment for which it was purpose-built, that isn't going to matter much.

In the correct context, it's an amazing idea, design, and
implementation. Some of the security features are especially brilliant,=
though many don't transfer to the generic PC design we're all familiar <= br> with. (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Bitfrost and
http://dev.laptop.org/git=3Fp=3Dsecurity;a=3D= blob;f=3Dbitfrost.txt, also
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007= /02/one=5Flaptop=5Fper.html)

My $0.02,
JP
----------------------------|:::=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|---------------------= ----------
JP Vossen, CISSP |:::=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| jp{at}jpsdoma= in{dot}org
My Account, My Opinions |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| http://www.jpsdomain.= org/
----------------------------|=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|---------------= ----------------
Microsoft has single-handedly nullified Moore's Law.
Innate design flaws of Windows make a personal firewall, anti-virus
and anti-malware software mandatory. The resulting software arms race has effectively flattened Moore's Law on hardware running Windows.
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F
Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org
Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman= /listinfo/plug-announce
General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman= /listinfo/plug
-------------d52169ca0474c92e92d983ae9250babc-- --===============0126357831== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0126357831==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Mar 01 08:18:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 29758 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 00:18:45 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 00:18:45 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 29694 invoked by uid 104); 1 Mar 2008 00:18:36 -0800 Received: from macserver.v-system.net (HELO macserver.v-system.net) (75.147.85.146) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:18:36 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL: 0.286,BAYES_00: -1.665,HTML_30_40: 0.374, HTML_MESSAGE: 0.001,CUSTOM_RULE_SUBJECT: ALLOW,TOTAL_SCORE: -1.004 X-Spam-Level: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by macserver.v-system.net for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 03:18:26 -0500 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" From: "Brian Vagnoni" In-Reply-To: 47C8E773.1070305@jpsdomain.org Message-ID: <20080301081826.b57212e7@macserver.v-system.net> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 03:18:26 -0500 X-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080201 Firefox/2.0.0.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [PLUG] OLPC Comments X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0396931733==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0396931733== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------14d07ec7e5d1aedc0ec0a20f7e0aeacd" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -------------14d07ec7e5d1aedc0ec0a20f7e0aeacd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RANT ;-) This stuff as you all know makes me crazy. We can send probes out to the= Kyber Belt, but we can't have a hand held / palm top that works even re= motely close to a real computer, @#$%^&*()=5F+*&^%$$^&*() screaming!!!!!= !! I don't care if you have to stick a nuclear reactor in there make it = work please.=20 Is it wrong to want fast, reliable mobile computing..... ahh nuts Where'= s Havey Firestein when you need him. RANT OFF :-) Sorry mobile computing and websites that use all 256 shades of black rea= lly get me going.=20 Brian Vagnoni =20 PGP Digital Fingerprint F076 6EEE 06E5 BEEF EBBD BD36 F29E 850D FC32 3955 =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =20 From: JP Vossen [mailto:jp@jpsdomain.org] To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Sent: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:19:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [PLUG] OLPC Comments > Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:00:30 -0500 > From: Casey Bralla > Subject: [PLUG] OLPC Comments >=20 > My dad bought a couple of the OLPC mini-laptops (You buy 2. You get= 1, the other is=20 > donated). He messed around with it for a while, then sent it to me = to try. I was=20 > not very impressed. [...] > All in all, a great disappointment. =20 Not to be too much of a grinch, but this is exactly why they didn't=20 really want to sell the units at all. I guess the payout from the G1G= 1=20 program was too much for them to resist. =20 OLPC is a very specific platform, designed expressly for a very specif= ic=20 purpose. It is not a general purpose PC; it never was, and it never= =20 will be. (Well, unless you nuke it back to the stone-age and install= =20 Ubuntu or something on it, if that's even possible.) =20 If you want a small, general purpose Linux PC get an eeepc or one of t= he=20 clones that are starting to emerge. =20 Now, having said that, I fired it up in VMware a while ago and was=20 totally baffled by the interface too. We aren't the target audience,= =20 and while you can argue that skilled learned on the OLPC aren't very= =20 transferable, in the environment for which it was purpose-built, that= =20 isn't going to matter much. =20 In the correct context, it's an amazing idea, design, and=20 implementation. Some of the security features are especially brillian= t,=20 though many don't transfer to the generic PC design we're all familiar= =20 with. (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Bitfrost and=20 http://dev.laptop.org/git=3Fp=3Dsecurity;a=3Dblob;f=3Dbitfrost.txt, al= so=20 http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/one=5Flaptop=5Fper.html) =20 My $0.02, JP ----------------------------|:::=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|-------------------= ------------ JP Vossen, CISSP |:::=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| jp{at}jpsdo= main{dot}org My Account, My Opinions |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| http://= www.jpsdomain.org/ ----------------------------|=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|-------------= ------------------ Microsoft has single-handedly nullified Moore's Law. Innate design flaws of Windows make a personal firewall, anti-virus and anti-malware software mandatory. The resulting software arms race has effectively flattened Moore's Law on hardware running Windows. =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinu= x.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-ann= ounce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo= /plug =20 -------------14d07ec7e5d1aedc0ec0a20f7e0aeacd Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RANT ;-)

This stuff as you all know makes me crazy. We can send p= robes out to the Kyber Belt, but we can't have a hand held / palm top th= at works even remotely close to a real computer, @#$%^&*()=5F+*&= ^%$$^&*() screaming!!!!!!! I don't care if you have to stick a nucle= ar reactor in there make it work please.

Is it wrong to want fas= t, reliable mobile computing..... ahh nuts Where's Havey Firestein when = you need him.

RANT OFF :-)

Sorry mobile computing and webs= ites that use all 256 shades of black really get me going.

Brian= Vagnoni



PGP Digital Fingerprint

F076 6EEE 06E5 B= EEF EBBD BD36 F29E 850D FC32 3955

From: JP Vossen [mailto:jp@jpsdomain.org]
<= b>To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org
Sent: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00= :19:47 -0500
Subject: Re: [PLUG] OLPC Comments

> Dat= e: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:00:30 -0500
> From: Casey Bralla <Ma= ilList@NerdWorld.org>
> Subject: [PLUG] OLPC Comments
>
> My dad bought a couple of the OLPC mini-laptops (You buy 2. You ge= t 1, the other is
> donated). He messed around with it for a while, then sent it to me= to try. I was
> not very impressed.
[...]
> All in all, a great disappointment.

Not to be too much of a grinch, but this is exactly why they didn't
really want to sell the units at all. I guess the payout from the G1G1 =
program was too much for them to resist.

OLPC is a very specific platform, designed expressly for a very specific=
purpose. It is not a general purpose PC; it never was, and it never will be. (Well, unless you nuke it back to the stone-age and install Ubuntu or something on it, if that's even possible.)

If you want a small, general purpose Linux PC get an eeepc or one of the=
clones that are starting to emerge.

Now, having said that, I fired it up in VMware a while ago and was
totally baffled by the interface too. We aren't the target audience, and while you can argue that skilled learned on the OLPC aren't very transferable, in the environment for which it was purpose-built, that isn't going to matter much.

In the correct context, it's an amazing idea, design, and
implementation. Some of the security features are especially brilliant,=
though many don't transfer to the generic PC design we're all familiar <= br> with. (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Bitfrost and
http://dev.laptop.org/git=3Fp=3Dsecurity;a=3D= blob;f=3Dbitfrost.txt, also
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007= /02/one=5Flaptop=5Fper.html)

My $0.02,
JP
----------------------------|:::=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|---------------------= ----------
JP Vossen, CISSP |:::=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| jp{at}jpsdoma= in{dot}org
My Account, My Opinions |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| http://www.jpsdomain.= org/
----------------------------|=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|---------------= ----------------
Microsoft has single-handedly nullified Moore's Law.
Innate design flaws of Windows make a personal firewall, anti-virus
and anti-malware software mandatory. The resulting software arms race has effectively flattened Moore's Law on hardware running Windows.
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F
Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org
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-------------14d07ec7e5d1aedc0ec0a20f7e0aeacd-- --===============0396931733== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0396931733==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sat Mar 01 16:35:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 29835 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 08:35:10 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 08:35:10 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 29819 invoked by uid 104); 1 Mar 2008 08:35:07 -0800 Received: from newmx3.fast.net (HELO newmx3.fast.net) (209.92.1.33) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:35:07 -0800 Received: (qmail 10391 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 16:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moog.netaxs.com) ([207.8.186.46]) (envelope-sender ) by newmx3.fast.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 Mar 2008 16:35:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 16735 invoked by uid 1363); 1 Mar 2008 16:35:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 16:35:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:35:05 -0500 (EST) From: schwepes@netaxs.com To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <20080226234330.02997344@macserver.v-system.net> Message-ID: References: <20080226234330.02997344@macserver.v-system.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [PLUG] NMap Linux Dependency Question X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Suse uses rpm now? bs On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Brian Vagnoni wrote: > Thanks Stephen :-) > > rpm -i --nodeps zenmap-4.53-1.noarch.rpm > > worked just fine. rpm hell rofl :-) > > > Brian Vagnoni > > > > PGP Digital Fingerprint > > F076 6EEE 06E5 BEEF EBBD BD36 F29E 850D FC32 3955 > > _____ > > From: Stephen Gran [mailto:steve@lobefin.net] > To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org > Sent: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:12:47 -0500 > Subject: Re: [PLUG] NMap Linux Dependency Question > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 01:01:49AM -0500, Brian Vagnoni said: > > Little help please > > OpenSuse 10.3 > > > > rpm -Uvh zenmap-4.53-1.noarch.rpm > > error: Failed dependencies: > > pygtk2 is needed by zenmap-4.53-1.noarch > > It means you need to first install the python bindings for gtk2. > Instead of fighting your way through manual dependency resolution with > rpm hell, why don't you just use one of the rpm frontends that can do > dependency resolution and downloads for you? I assume Suse has a yum > equivalent. > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Stephen Gran | "May your future be limited only by | > | steve@lobefin.net | your dreams." -- Christa McAuliffe | > | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | | > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Mar 02 05:01:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21897 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 21:01:40 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 21:01:40 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21872 invoked by uid 104); 1 Mar 2008 21:01:38 -0800 Received: from bjork.quonix.net (HELO bjork.quonix.net) (146.145.66.91) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:01:38 -0800 Received: from mailgw.quonix.net (mailgw.quonix.net [208.72.236.15]) by bjork.quonix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m2251a0n070356 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 00:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (static-76-161-192-192.dsl.cavtel.net [76.161.192.192]) by mailgw.quonix.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2251JjO024646 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 00:01:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <47C8E773.1070305@jpsdomain.org> References: <47C8E773.1070305@jpsdomain.org> Message-Id: <2b370be5a07019180b3ca5fd921d3eac@essenz.com> From: John Von Essen Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 00:05:17 -0500 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0) X-Spam-Score: -4.00 () [Hold at 5.00] QUONIX_FRIENDLY,URI_NOVOWEL X-CanItPRO-Stream: plug (inherits from default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 4626352 - d45bb77d8b3d X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 208.72.236.15 Subject: [PLUG] OT: Weird DNS quirk with Cavalier X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I use Cavalier for DSL, so my name resolution on my PC defers to their DNS servers. I have noticed a very weird quirk. It happens for "some" domains, but not others. If I do a lookup for something that I know doesn't exist, sometimes the Cavalier DNS server returns: $ nslookup gfggdggredfdgd.apple.com Server: 209.137.171.10 Address: 209.137.171.10#53 Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find gfggdggredfdgd.apple.com: No answer But for some domains, it returns: $ nslookup gfggfrgfddggdgd.ibm.com Server: 209.137.171.10 Address: 209.137.171.10#53 Name: gfggfrgfddggdgd.ibm.com Address: 64.158.56.57 Name: gfggfrgfddggdgd.ibm.com Address: 206.112.100.154 It always returns these two bogus IPs for any domain you try. One is swiped in ARIN as being allocated to FAST.NET, the other is allocated to Level3, then sub-allocated to Co-location.com. Both IPs are not active in any way. I've never seen anything like this. Comically, I tried emailing noc@cavtel.net - but it bounced back with a user unknown error! -John ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Mar 02 09:11:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 827 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 01:11:54 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 01:11:54 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 782 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 01:11:52 -0800 Received: from mx-7.zoominternet.net (HELO mx-7.zoominternet.net) (24.154.1.26) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 01:11:52 -0800 Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m229Bbrx020063 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 04:11:38 -0500 Received: (qmail 9185 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 09:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bms.intranetshield.com) ([24.154.94.53]) (envelope-sender ) by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Mar 2008 09:11:40 -0000 From: Robert Spangler To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 04:11:45 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <47C8E773.1070305@jpsdomain.org> <2b370be5a07019180b3ca5fd921d3eac@essenz.com> In-Reply-To: <2b370be5a07019180b3ca5fd921d3eac@essenz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200803020411.45788.mlists@zoominternet.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Weird DNS quirk with Cavalier X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Sunday 02 March 2008 00:05, John Von Essen wrote: > I've never seen anything like this. Comically, I tried emailing > noc@cavtel.net - but it bounced back with a user unknown error! When all else fails check their web site. There they give you the email address you require. -- Regards Robert Smile... it increases your face value! Linux User #296285 http://counter.li.org ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Mar 02 12:51:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 2841 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 04:51:44 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 04:51:44 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 2823 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 04:51:43 -0800 Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (HELO gv-out-0910.google.com) (216.239.58.190) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:51:43 -0800 Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id e6so2180698gvc.33 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.55.1 with SMTP id h1mr14677242wak.69.1204462296557; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:51:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.90.4 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 04:51:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <96e4744f0803020451q121f311dxbe13f8dc865be3c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 07:51:36 -0500 From: "Russ Wenner" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <2b370be5a07019180b3ca5fd921d3eac@essenz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47C8E773.1070305@jpsdomain.org> <2b370be5a07019180b3ca5fd921d3eac@essenz.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: Weird DNS quirk with Cavalier X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > $ nslookup gfggdggredfdgd.apple.com > Server: 209.137.171.10 > Address: 209.137.171.10#53 > > Non-authoritative answer: > *** Can't find gfggdggredfdgd.apple.com: No answer > > But for some domains, it returns: > > $ nslookup gfggfrgfddggdgd.ibm.com > Server: 209.137.171.10 > Address: 209.137.171.10#53 > > Name: gfggfrgfddggdgd.ibm.com > Address: 64.158.56.57 > Name: gfggfrgfddggdgd.ibm.com > Address: 206.112.100.154 I get the following using OpenDNS https://www.opendns.com/ -- Russ $ nslookup gfggdggredfdgd.apple.com Server: 68.87.64.146 Address: 68.87.64.146#53 Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find gfggdggredfdgd.apple.com: No answer $ nslookup gfggfrgfddggdgd.ibm.com Server: 68.87.64.146 Address: 68.87.64.146#53 ** server can't find gfggfrgfddggdgd.ibm.com: NXDOMAIN ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Mar 02 19:37:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 16904 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 11:37:11 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 11:37:11 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 16885 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 11:37:09 -0800 Received: from tanzanite.amellus.net (HELO mx1.amellus.net) (72.232.8.122) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:37:09 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.amellus.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA52512C527 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:36:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AWESOM-O (Amavis-new,ClamAV) at mx1.amellus.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.364 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.364 tagged_above=-999 required=4.2 tests=[AWL=0.135, BAYES_00=-2.599, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mx1.amellus.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tanzanite.amellus.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cQYzPOMCjrlr for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartman.hq.amellus.com (c-68-58-81-102.hsd1.in.comcast.net [68.58.81.102]) by mx1.amellus.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F54512C4E7 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cartman.hq.amellus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BFA4247AFF; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:37:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:37:33 -0500 From: Michael Schultheiss To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Message-ID: <20080302193733.GK18988@amellus.com> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <20080226234330.02997344@macserver.v-system.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: Re: [PLUG] NMap Linux Dependency Question X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org schwepes@netaxs.com wrote: > Suse uses rpm now? SUSE has used RPM for years. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Mar 02 20:26:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 25452 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 12:26:54 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 12:26:54 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 25417 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 12:26:51 -0800 Received: from newmx1.fast.net (HELO newmx1.fast.net) (209.92.1.31) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:26:51 -0800 Received: (qmail 26647 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 20:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moog.netaxs.com) ([207.8.186.46]) (envelope-sender ) by newmx1.fast.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Mar 2008 20:26:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 24684 invoked by uid 1363); 2 Mar 2008 20:26:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 20:26:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:26:50 -0500 (EST) From: schwepes@netaxs.com To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List In-Reply-To: <20080302193733.GK18988@amellus.com> Message-ID: References: <20080226234330.02997344@macserver.v-system.net> <20080302193733.GK18988@amellus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [PLUG] NMap Linux Dependency Question X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org As far as I know suse 7.0 does not use rpm but uses only two forms of YAST. This machine is probably not upgradable. I programmed it with what I programmed it with because I did not get more recent, of the time, Linux releases to work with the video card. I admit that I was in a hurry at the time as my previous machine, a 486 that I had been nursing for years, simply dropped dead. bs On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Michael Schultheiss wrote: > schwepes@netaxs.com wrote: > > Suse uses rpm now? > > SUSE has used RPM for years. > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Mar 02 21:19:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 3774 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 13:19:23 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 13:19:23 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 3744 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 13:19:22 -0800 Received: from smtp.jpsdomain.org (HELO smtp.jpsdomain.org) (66.92.238.114) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:19:22 -0800 Received: from [192.168.99.121] (unknown [192.168.99.121]) by smtp.jpsdomain.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EF27C8020 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:19:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47CB19D4.8080709@jpsdomain.org> Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:19:16 -0500 From: JP Vossen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: [PLUG] Domain registrar thoughts and Mediawiki X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Last time this was asked was 2005 (http://lists.netisland.net/archives/plug/plug-2005-08/msg00294.html), and 2001 before then, so I think it's about time. I want to register a few domain names. I've been using http://www.dotearth.com/ and am happy, but they are $25 for 2 years. That'll add up for the 3-5 names I want now. I am (of course) aware of GoDaddy.com, and that was the recommendation x3 in 2005, but they bug me, partly because I find their site really noisy (though dotearth may be even worse). They *are* a cheaper, especially if I want to go for a 1 year for $9.99. Any recommendations, or should I just Get Over It and use GoDaddy? I'm a bit wary of checking the names, given the recent domain name tasting/front-running issues (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/08/1920215). Finally, the new site will run Mediawiki, any experts out there for when I have questions? Any good resources? The so-called docs on the Mediawiki.org site and scattered and incoherent, to me at least. Thanks, JP ----------------------------|:::======|------------------------------- JP Vossen, CISSP |:::======| jp{at}jpsdomain{dot}org My Account, My Opinions |=========| http://www.jpsdomain.org/ ----------------------------|=========|------------------------------- Microsoft has single-handedly nullified Moore's Law. Innate design flaws of Windows make a personal firewall, anti-virus and anti-malware software mandatory. The resulting software arms race has effectively flattened Moore's Law on hardware running Windows. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Mar 02 21:22:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 5689 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 13:22:28 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 13:22:28 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 5659 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 13:22:26 -0800 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.246) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:22:26 -0800 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so2021588anc.31 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.133.2 with SMTP id g2mr27241965and.113.1204492942813; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:22:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.1.222? ( [69.249.133.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c39sm23540180anc.25.2008.03.02.13.22.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:22:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47CB1A77.2030806@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:21:59 -0500 From: brent timothy saner User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List References: <47CB19D4.8080709@jpsdomain.org> In-Reply-To: <47CB19D4.8080709@jpsdomain.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Subject: Re: [PLUG] Domain registrar thoughts and Mediawiki X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0950096335==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0950096335== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig1FF9AD52A0C7CC38C56F8785" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig1FF9AD52A0C7CC38C56F8785 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable depends on your distro, but in debian the mediawiki install was relatively painless. just make sure you have the storage space for it. JP Vossen wrote: >=20 > Finally, the new site will run Mediawiki, any experts out there for whe= n=20 > I have questions? Any good resources? The so-called docs on the=20 > Mediawiki.org site and scattered and incoherent, to me at least. >=20 --=20 Brent Saner 215.264.0112(cell) http://www.thenotebookarmy.org Bill Gates is to hacking as Sid Vicious was to the Sex Pistols: no talent, everyone hates him, and he's just in it for the fame and money= =2E GPG INFO: pub 1024D/832D950A 2008-01-26 uid Brent Timothy Saner uid Brent Timothy Saner (ACE Technology Group, www.acetechgroup.com) sub 4096g/1C18F61D 2008-01-26 (pgp.mit.edu) FINGERPRINT: 91EC 3B91 17E3 84E8 662A 9911 F2ED 9987 832D 950A --------------enig1FF9AD52A0C7CC38C56F8785 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHyxqL8u2Zh4MtlQoRAiH7AKDZq5j9i0uJK4j1OHjX3etEs0bLIgCdG5Ey HjDkY5BMIBdnYdACRBCWUnQ= =O78q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig1FF9AD52A0C7CC38C56F8785-- --===============0950096335== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0950096335==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Mar 02 21:23:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 6359 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 13:23:30 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 13:23:30 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 6327 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 13:23:27 -0800 Received: from smtp.jpsdomain.org (HELO smtp.jpsdomain.org) (66.92.238.114) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:23:27 -0800 Received: from [192.168.99.121] (unknown [192.168.99.121]) by smtp.jpsdomain.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97A77C8020 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:23:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47CB1ACA.9020707@jpsdomain.org> Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:23:22 -0500 From: JP Vossen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: [PLUG] Hosting Mediawiki X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Oops, forgot one. Any recommendations for hosting a Mediawiki site? I = want inexpensive to start with, but if it grows, I'd like to be able to = expand as seamlessly as possible. I hear a lot of good things about 1and1.com, but = http://order.1and1.com/xml/order/FeatureSite-buildingCnba says = "MediaWiki =96 available early 2008" which doesn't inspire me. OTOH it = may be easy enough to just install Mediawiki on a 1and1 site anyway. Thoughts? Thanks, JP ----------------------------|:::=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|------------------------= ------- JP Vossen, CISSP |:::=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| jp{at}jpsdomain{= dot}org My Account, My Opinions |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| http://www.j= psdomain.org/ ----------------------------|=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|------------------= ------------- Microsoft has single-handedly nullified Moore's Law. Innate design flaws of Windows make a personal firewall, anti-virus and anti-malware software mandatory. The resulting software arms race has effectively flattened Moore's Law on hardware running Windows. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Mar 02 21:45:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 11145 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 13:45:22 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 13:45:22 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 11132 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 13:45:21 -0800 Received: from lax-green-bigip-5.dreamhost.com (HELO friskymail-a4.g.dreamhost.com) (208.113.200.5) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:45:21 -0800 Received: from mft.coltrane.site (c-69-249-160-170.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [69.249.160.170]) by friskymail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427F1121D0F for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from jim by mft.coltrane.site with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JVvzi-0005ow-98 for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:45:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:45:18 -0500 From: James Barrett To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Message-ID: <20080302214518.GA21221@mail.jadoba.net> References: <47CB19D4.8080709@jpsdomain.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <47CB19D4.8080709@jpsdomain.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: Re: [PLUG] Domain registrar thoughts and Mediawiki X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0575127337==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0575127337== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6" Content-Disposition: inline --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:19:16PM -0500, JP Vossen wrote: > I am (of course) aware of GoDaddy.com, and that was the recommendation=20 > x3 in 2005, but they bug me, partly because I find their site really=20 > noisy (though dotearth may be even worse). They *are* a cheaper,=20 > especially if I want to go for a 1 year for $9.99. Any recommendations,= =20 > or should I just Get Over It and use GoDaddy? Godaddy is cheap. If you get five or more domains at once, then you=20 might possibly be able to get free private registration for all of them. Seriously, I have about 30+ domains registered with them. The hosting=20 is horrendous - they do goofy stuff like forbid .htaccess rewrite rules=20 for .php filenames. Also, do not bother with their email services. =20 However, they do registrations and domain services very well. In fact=20 it is safe to say that the only thing they do well is domain name=20 registration. > I'm a bit wary of checking the names, given the recent domain name=20 > tasting/front-running issues=20 > (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=3D08/01/08/1920215). dig(1) will safely tell you if the domain name points somewhere,=20 although if someone has it registered but simply not pointing to=20 nameservers then it might not show up in dig output (someone correct me=20 if I'm wrong!). This is a hell of a lot safer than a whois request if=20 you are worried about front-running. All dig does is query your domain=20 name server to see if the domain points anywhere. -- James Barrett --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHyx/u1OcdbM8NFsgRAsc8AJ9C/c8WcEhPgmY4JZzONKU4Xrp8qwCgq8yU yR4m8ZgHO62fBNB8Vr9Aldw= =8Lfp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6-- --===============0575127337== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0575127337==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Mar 02 21:47:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 11846 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 13:47:05 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 13:47:05 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 11815 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 13:47:02 -0800 Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.176) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:47:02 -0800 Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o28so2355834ele.2 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.220.8 with SMTP id x8mr23515422qbq.39.1204494418668; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.83.5 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:46:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:46:58 -0500 From: "Joe Terranova" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <47CB1ACA.9020707@jpsdomain.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47CB1ACA.9020707@jpsdomain.org> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Hosting Mediawiki X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Dreamhost is rather cheap, and has a lot of great features. It's also completely load balanced -- different servers for shell, email, mysql and web. Good uptime, handles load well, gives a ridiculous amount of bandwidth and space. They also have one-click installs. You pick a domain you've added, and you can install from a list of software -- wordpress, phpbb, Joomla, and, of course, Mediawiki. With a one-click install, it takes one click to install, and one click every time you want to upgrade. That's it. This link will give you a discount on their hosting plans -- $25 the first month for a monthly plan, or $50 for a yearly or 2 year. (Caveat: I /also/ get $45 off my bill, but $50 is the max discount anyone can give you when you join) http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?278939|JOECOTOFFER If you want to install it manually on a host like 1and1.com, the manual install is rather easy itself. Details here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_guide Cheers, Joe Terranova On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:23 PM, JP Vossen wrote: > Oops, forgot one. Any recommendations for hosting a Mediawiki site? I > want inexpensive to start with, but if it grows, I'd like to be able to > expand as seamlessly as possible. > > I hear a lot of good things about 1and1.com, but > http://order.1and1.com/xml/order/FeatureSite-buildingCnba says > "MediaWiki =96 available early 2008" which doesn't inspire me. OTOH it > may be easy enough to just install Mediawiki on a 1and1 site anyway. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > JP > ----------------------------|:::=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|---------------------= ---------- > JP Vossen, CISSP |:::=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| jp{at}jpsdoma= in{dot}org > My Account, My Opinions |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| http://ww= w.jpsdomain.org/ > ----------------------------|=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D|---------------= ---------------- > Microsoft has single-handedly nullified Moore's Law. > Innate design flaws of Windows make a personal firewall, anti-virus > and anti-malware software mandatory. The resulting software arms race > has effectively flattened Moore's Law on hardware running Windows. > ________________________________________________________________________= ___ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.= org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-annou= nce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/p= lug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Mar 02 22:01:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 14540 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 14:01:07 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 14:01:07 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 14463 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 14:01:05 -0800 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.171) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:01:05 -0800 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so6220661wfg.1 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.125.5 with SMTP id x5mr8559549wfc.40.1204495261094; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.123.4 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:01:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <367e1abe0803021401h748e699fo52d90d8e532800b2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:01:01 -0500 From: "Douglas Muth" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <20080302214518.GA21221@mail.jadoba.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47CB19D4.8080709@jpsdomain.org> <20080302214518.GA21221@mail.jadoba.net> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Domain registrar thoughts and Mediawiki X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > > However, they do registrations and domain services very well. In fact > it is safe to say that the only thing they do well is domain name > registration. > I can't say I agree with that, after reading the site http://nodaddy.com/. The site lists several horror stories of people who have had their domain names taken hostage by GoDaddy with no warning or notice. Want the domain back? That will be a $199 ransom--er--"reactivation fee". Want to transfer the domain after it's been taken hostage? That'll be a $75 "administrative fee". A quick check of their forums reveals a steady stream of complaints about GoDaddy. As for recommendations, until my webhost became a reseller of domain registration services, I used to do business with Npsis.com. I had a pretty good experience with them, including one situation where I dropped the ball on a domain and let it lapse. I called them up and paid the registration over the phone--they didn't even charge me a "reactivation fee". And when it was time to leave, they provided me with the necessary EPP codes, no questions asked. -- Doug ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Mar 02 22:03:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 15206 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 14:03:26 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 14:03:26 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 15176 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 14:03:24 -0800 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (HELO vms040pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.40) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:03:24 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([72.81.117.13]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX40039KIPKKY8H@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:05:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294]); Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:03:45 -0500 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:03:44 -0500 From: "Bill Diehl" In-reply-to: <47CB1ACA.9020707@jpsdomain.org> To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Message-id: <47CADDF0.616.145604E@infonews.verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body Priority: normal References: <47CB1ACA.9020707@jpsdomain.org> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Hosting Mediawiki X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On 2 Mar 2008 at 16:23, JP Vossen wrote: > Oops, forgot one. Any recommendations for hosting a Mediawiki site? > I want inexpensive to start with, but if it grows, I'd like to be able > to expand as seamlessly as possible. > > I hear a lot of good things about 1and1.com, but > http://order.1and1.com/xml/order/FeatureSite-buildingCnba says > "MediaWiki - available early 2008" which doesn't inspire me. OTOH it > may be easy enough to just install Mediawiki on a 1and1 site anyway. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > JP While I have registered several domains with 1&1 Internet, I have not yet hosted with them. I use their included domain forwarding to redirect to free hosts. Within the past few month I have compared domain registrars and found 1&1 to be the least expensive or just a penny more that some others. One free host that I've used is the web space provided by my ISP, since it is not for commercial use. You may find Google Pages of use: http://pages.google.com/?pli=1 Then there is http://www.freewebtown.com/community/index.php but you would have to see if the basic bandwidth is sufficient for your needs. DreamHost and FatJackHosting were recommended by an internet marketers. If I recall correctly, one of them runs on a Debian server. http://www.dreamhost.com/hosting.html http://www.fatjackhosting.com/ Hope this helps, Bill Diehl ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Mar 02 22:44:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 24596 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 14:44:13 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 14:44:13 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 24580 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 14:44:11 -0800 Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (HELO vms173003pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.3) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:44:11 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([72.81.117.13]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX400EN8KCIWC78@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:41:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294]); Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:44:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:44:42 -0500 From: "Bill Diehl" To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Message-id: <47CAE78A.20744.16AE3DB@infonews.verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body Priority: normal Subject: [PLUG] Testing Email Service X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is just a test to see if my email is getting through to the list because the last few posts I sent to the group have not appeared. This is just a test. Bill ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Sun Mar 02 22:49:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 26743 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 14:49:27 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 14:49:27 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 26728 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 14:49:23 -0800 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.239) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:49:23 -0800 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 76so1591430wra.10 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:49:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.243.10 with SMTP id q10mr23560848qbh.25.1204498161044; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.83.5 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:49:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:49:20 -0500 From: "Joe Terranova" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <47CADDF0.616.145604E@infonews.verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47CB1ACA.9020707@jpsdomain.org> <47CADDF0.616.145604E@infonews.verizon.net> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Hosting Mediawiki X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Dreamhost uses Debian. On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Bill Diehl wrote: > On 2 Mar 2008 at 16:23, JP Vossen wrote: > > > Oops, forgot one. Any recommendations for hosting a Mediawiki site? > > I want inexpensive to start with, but if it grows, I'd like to be able > > to expand as seamlessly as possible. > > > > I hear a lot of good things about 1and1.com, but > > http://order.1and1.com/xml/order/FeatureSite-buildingCnba says > > "MediaWiki - available early 2008" which doesn't inspire me. OTOH it > > may be easy enough to just install Mediawiki on a 1and1 site anyway. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Thanks, > > JP > > While I have registered several domains with 1&1 Internet, I have > not yet hosted with them. I use their included domain forwarding to > redirect to free hosts. Within the past few month I have compared > domain registrars and found 1&1 to be the least expensive or just a > penny more that some others. > > One free host that I've used is the web space provided by my ISP, > since it is not for commercial use. > > You may find Google Pages of use: http://pages.google.com/?pli=1 > > Then there is http://www.freewebtown.com/community/index.php > but you would have to see if the basic bandwidth is sufficient for > your needs. > > DreamHost and FatJackHosting were recommended by an internet > marketers. If I recall correctly, one of them runs on a Debian > server. > > http://www.dreamhost.com/hosting.html > http://www.fatjackhosting.com/ > > Hope this helps, > Bill Diehl > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Mar 03 02:07:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 28782 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 18:07:48 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 18:07:48 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 28769 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 18:07:47 -0800 Received: from vancouver.yorkcabal.org.uk (HELO vancouver.yorkcabal.org.uk) (89.16.166.17) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:07:47 -0800 Received: from lobefin.net ([91.103.132.25] helo=hadrian.lobefin.net ident=Debian-exim) by vancouver.yorkcabal.org.uk with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JW05Y-0004xs-Pk for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:07:42 +0000 Received: from steve by hadrian.lobefin.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JW05W-00042A-Nu for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:07:34 +0000 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 02:07:34 +0000 From: Stephen Gran To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Message-ID: <20080303020734.GA9641@www.lobefin.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <47CB19D4.8080709@jpsdomain.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <47CB19D4.8080709@jpsdomain.org> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 X-OS: Linux hadrian 2.6.18-6-686 i686 X-Uptime: 3 days X-Latin: Hodie quinto Nonas Martias MMDCCLXI ab urbe condita est X-Date: Today is Boomtime, the 62nd day of Chaos in the YOLD 3174 X-DDate: Only 2430083 Shopping Days Left Before X-Day. Kallisti! X-Motto: debian/rules User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Authenticated-Sender: C=UK, ST=North Yorkshire, L=York, O=yorkcabal.org.uk, CN=lobefin.net, EMAIL=hostmaster@yorkcabal.org.uk X-Scanned-By: ClamAV 0.92.1 on vancouver.yorkcabal.org.uk; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:07:42 +0000 Subject: Re: [PLUG] Domain registrar thoughts and Mediawiki X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1237891685==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1237891685== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI" Content-Disposition: inline --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:19:16PM -0500, JP Vossen said: > Last time this was asked was 2005 and 2001 before then, so I think > it's about time. I want to register a few domain names. Any > recommendations, or should I just Get Over It and use GoDaddy? gandi.net has been good to me. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | Asynchronous inputs are at the root of | | steve@lobefin.net | our race problems. -- D. Winker and | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | F. Prosser | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHy11mSYIMHOpZA44RAs0NAJ4wihxY4k5/a6SXc5fAwzN1x/bWlQCfTOW8 EZcD2+cBXWB/KgTSVBiuXXw= =hqgT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI-- --===============1237891685== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1237891685==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Mar 03 04:32:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 15975 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 20:32:10 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 20:32:10 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 15938 invoked by uid 104); 2 Mar 2008 20:32:08 -0800 Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (HELO gv-out-0910.google.com) (216.239.58.188) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:32:08 -0800 Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id e6so2452089gvc.33 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:32:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.121.1 with SMTP id t1mr3720177wac.67.1204518721929; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.181.16 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 20:32:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <351785350803022032y72353252t8d1f2622ae12b559@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 23:32:01 -0500 From: "Brian Stempin" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <20080303020734.GA9641@www.lobefin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <47CB19D4.8080709@jpsdomain.org> <20080303020734.GA9641@www.lobefin.net> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Domain registrar thoughts and Mediawiki X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1471527939==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1471527939== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24668_4782954.1204518721919" ------=_Part_24668_4782954.1204518721919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I just started using http://www.bluehost.com and they've been nothing but wonderful. When I registered, I accidentally put a typo in my domain name. I was able to call them at 1 am on a Saturday morning and have them fix it within about 5-10 minutes with no hassle and no charge. In addition to that, they called me about 3-4 days after registering the domain to verify that I had actually registered it by asking me a few questions about my account, etc. It makes me feel good knowing that they're willing to invest money in ridding scum-bags and in protecting my identity. On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Stephen Gran wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:19:16PM -0500, JP Vossen said: > > Last time this was asked was 2005 and 2001 before then, so I think > > it's about time. I want to register a few domain names. Any > > recommendations, or should I just Get Over It and use GoDaddy? > > gandi.net has been good to me. > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Stephen Gran | Asynchronous inputs are at the root of > | > | steve@lobefin.net | our race problems. -- D. Winker and > | > | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | F. > Prosser | > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHy11mSYIMHOpZA44RAs0NAJ4wihxY4k5/a6SXc5fAwzN1x/bWlQCfTOW8 > EZcD2+cBXWB/KgTSVBiuXXw= > =hqgT > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > ------=_Part_24668_4782954.1204518721919 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I just started using http://www.bluehost.com and they've been nothing but wonderful.

When I registered, I accidentally put a typo in my domain name.  I was able to call them at 1 am on a Saturday morning and have them fix it within about 5-10 minutes with no hassle and no charge.  In addition to that, they called me about 3-4 days after registering the domain to verify that I had actually registered it by asking me a few questions about my account, etc.  It makes me feel good knowing that they're willing to invest money in ridding scum-bags and in protecting my identity.


On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Stephen Gran <steve@lobefin.net> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:19:16PM -0500, JP Vossen said:
> Last time this was asked was 2005 and 2001 before then, so I think
> it's about time.  I want to register a few domain names.  Any
> recommendations, or should I just Get Over It and use GoDaddy?

gandi.net has been good to me.
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|  steve@lobefin.net             | our race problems.   -- D. Winker and   |
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------=_Part_24668_4782954.1204518721919-- --===============1471527939== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1471527939==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Mar 03 08:23:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 25112 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 00:23:33 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 00:23:33 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 25094 invoked by uid 104); 3 Mar 2008 00:23:31 -0800 Received: from london.purple.com (HELO pond.purple.com) (212.159.12.194) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:23:31 -0800 Received: from jeff by pond.purple.com with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JW5xG-0004wN-7f for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:23:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:23:26 +0000 From: Jeff Abrahamson To: PLUG Message-ID: <20080303082326.GO3771@purple.com> Mail-Followup-To: PLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: [PLUG] machine check events X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1662560210==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1662560210== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3" Content-Disposition: inline --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been seeing these in my logs (as reported by logwatch): 2 Time(s): Machine check events logged 1 Time(s): firewire_sbp2: sbp2_scsi_abort 1 Time(s): firewire_sbp2: status write for unknown orb Reading about the first line, it sounds like there's a hardware issue going on, but I haven't been able to figure out whether I should be worried or what might happen because of this. I've read /usr/share/doc/mcelog/mce.pdf.gz, from which I conclude that there's nothing I can really know except that something went wrong deep in the CPU, which resulted in a kernel exception handler running. When I run mcelog by hand, I don't see any errors reported. I note that /var/log/mcelog/ is empty and is the only instance of /var/log/mcelog*. Any thoughts what might be going on or what I should look at? I suspect the last two lines are a red herring related to a firewire drive. I've noticed that the linux firewire driver is maybe a bit noisy about things that cause retries. --=20 Jeff Jeff Abrahamson phone: UK: +44 (0)784 699 1772 (From U.S.: 011-44-784-699-1772) France: +33 (0)6 21.83.26.20 (From U.S.: 011-33-6-2183-2620) GPG fingerprint: 1A1A BA95 D082 A558 A276 63C6 16BF 8C4C 0D1D AE4B --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHy7V+Fr+MTA0drksRAh4ZAJ9JBlHVBNLd0AebsyB7c4let0b53wCePNN5 fKj14x6bWO1qVg08OvRjCmg= =EFi0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3-- --===============1662560210== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1662560210==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Mar 03 08:48:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 31181 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 00:48:03 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 00:48:03 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 31057 invoked by uid 104); 3 Mar 2008 00:48:01 -0800 Received: from smtp.jpsdomain.org (HELO smtp.jpsdomain.org) (66.92.238.114) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:48:01 -0800 Received: from [192.168.99.121] (unknown [192.168.99.121]) by smtp.jpsdomain.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1312C7C8020 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 03:47:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47CBBB3B.20804@jpsdomain.org> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 03:47:55 -0500 From: JP Vossen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: <47CB19D4.8080709@jpsdomain.org> In-Reply-To: <47CB19D4.8080709@jpsdomain.org> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Domain registrar thoughts and Mediawiki X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Thanks to all who've replied thus far, I'm checking out your suggestions. Dreamhost *looks* awesome, but also gets a lot of bad press (along with a lot of good press). I'm thinking about trying to host with them and register with 1and1. Comments? I should mention I already installed a proof-of-concept site on Debian, using the tarball since the version in the Etch repos is ancient. It was trivial but requires some shell operations like chown. My install question has to do with hosting sites where I don't have shell and/or root access to the machine. I also forgot to mention that in my personal opinion, getting hosting and domain name registration from the same provider is just asking for trouble, and I won't do that. Talk about vendor lock-in! With the functions separated, I feel that the providers have both less ability and less incentive to mess with you. Thanks, JP ----------------------------|:::======|------------------------------- JP Vossen, CISSP |:::======| jp{at}jpsdomain{dot}org My Account, My Opinions |=========| http://www.jpsdomain.org/ ----------------------------|=========|------------------------------- Microsoft has single-handedly nullified Moore's Law. Innate design flaws of Windows make a personal firewall, anti-virus and anti-malware software mandatory. The resulting software arms race has effectively flattened Moore's Law on hardware running Windows. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Mar 03 13:47:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 9231 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 05:47:55 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 05:47:55 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 9212 invoked by uid 104); 3 Mar 2008 05:47:54 -0800 Received: from lrcressy.com (HELO lrcressy.com) (207.210.106.28) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 05:47:54 -0800 Received: from pool-72-78-55-67.phlapa.east.verizon.net [72.78.55.67] by lrcressy.com with esmtp id 1JWB0x-0005gM-Rq for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:47:36 -0500 Message-ID: <47CC016B.9000406@lrcressy.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:47:23 -0500 From: LeRoy Cressy User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.14pre (X11/20080208) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List References: <47CB19D4.8080709@jpsdomain.org> <20080303020734.GA9641@www.lobefin.net> In-Reply-To: <20080303020734.GA9641@www.lobefin.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on lrcressy.com); Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Subject: Re: [PLUG] Domain registrar thoughts and Mediawiki X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Stephen Gran wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:19:16PM -0500, JP Vossen said: >> Last time this was asked was 2005 and 2001 before then, so I think >> it's about time. I want to register a few domain names. Any >> recommendations, or should I just Get Over It and use GoDaddy? > > gandi.net has been good to me. > domainsnext.com does a nice job - -- Rev. LeRoy D. Cressy mailto:leroy@lrcressy.com /\_/\ http://lrcressy.com ( o.o ) Phone: 215-535-4037 > ^ < gpg fingerprint: 62DE 6CAB CEE1 B1B3 359A 81D8 3FEF E6DA 8501 AFEA For info on enigmail: http://lrcressy.com/linux/mozilla.pdf For info on gpg: http://www.gnupg.org/ Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 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I'm thinking about trying to host with them and > register with 1and1. Comments? > My Dreamhost experience: 11 outages in 5 months. And those are only the ones that I filed tickets on because they lasted longer than my patience threshold. (about half an hour) I documented all of the outages at http://giza.livejournal.com/495964.html if you're interested in the details. Also, I had Drupal completely fall over under Dreamhost. One day visitors to the site started receiving HTTP 500 errors. I had to prod Dreamhost only to find that we had "exceeded our memory limit". So, what was our memory limit? I have no idea, and neither did Dreamhost apparently. Their website is mute on the subject. So that's my Dreamhost experience. Totally not bitter here. ;-) -- Doug ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Mar 03 14:54:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21908 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 06:54:10 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 06:54:10 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21643 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 06:54:05 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 06:54:05 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug-announce@phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21630 invoked by uid 104); 3 Mar 2008 06:54:04 -0800 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.170) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:54:04 -0800 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so77119wfd.18 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.222.21 with SMTP id u21mr3869wfg.128.1204556040259; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.155.18 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 06:54:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <13ae6a200803030654m335f6d7eo623a45b53bc119ff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:54:00 -0500 From: "Elizabeth Bevilacqua" To: plug-announce@phillylinux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: plug-announce@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Subject: [PLUG] [plug-announce] March 5th, 2008 - "Parallels Workstation and other virtualization technologies" X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Announcements , Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org ._____. .__________________________________________________________________. | ._. | | .______________________________________________________________. | | |_| |_|_|___. _____ | | |___| |_____. | The Philadelphia Area Linux Users Group | ._. | | | .___|_|_| |_| | (PLUG) cordially invites you to our next .___| |_|_|_| | | ._____| |___| meeting, Wednesday, March 5th, 2008 | ._| |_______| | | | |_| | at The University of the Sciences in | |_|_|_| |___. | | |_____| Philadelphia, Pennsylvania |_______| |_. | | |______________________________________________________________| | | |_| | |__________________________________________________________________| |_____| The subject of this month's meeting is "Parallels Workstation and other virtualization technologies" presented by James Barrett. PLUG received a free copy of Parallels from the vendor several months ago. James stepped up for the review and presentation. He also informs us that the first six people who ask a question about his presentation will receive a small prize! Parallels website: http://www.parallels.com/ The meeting will take place from 7-9pm at: University of the Sciences in Philadelphia (USP) Griffith Hall C 600 South 43rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-4495 USP is located in University City. Driving directions are available at , or , both of which have an aerial view of the campus buildings. USP is also easily accessible by public transportation. There will be an open Question & Answer session at 7PM, prior to the main presentation at 8PM. This is an open meeting; all are welcome, and encouraged to attend. Usually, a number of members get together after the meeting at a nearby restaurant for food and perhaps a beer or two. Come join the camaraderie! _______________________________________________ plug-announce mailing list plug-announce@lists.phillylinux.org http://lists.netisland.net/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Mar 03 16:52:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 19628 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 08:52:39 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 08:52:39 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 19588 invoked by uid 104); 3 Mar 2008 08:52:37 -0800 Received: from bjork.quonix.net (HELO bjork.quonix.net) (146.145.66.91) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:52:37 -0800 Received: from mailgw.quonix.net (mailgw.quonix.net [208.72.236.15]) by bjork.quonix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m23Gqa2A037551 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw.quonix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw.quonix.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m23GqTlF019707 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:52:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (essenz@localhost) by mailgw.quonix.net (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id m23GqSKj019704 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:52:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailgw.quonix.net: essenz owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:52:28 -0500 (EST) From: John Von Essen X-X-Sender: essenz@mailgw.quonix.net To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <367e1abe0803030644i16e1018eo72e48a33e200bfbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <47CB19D4.8080709@jpsdomain.org> <47CBBB3B.20804@jpsdomain.org> <367e1abe0803030644i16e1018eo72e48a33e200bfbf@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: undef - 127.0.0.1 is whitelisted. X-CanItPRO-Stream: plug (inherits from default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: Bayes signature not available X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 208.72.236.15 Subject: Re: [PLUG] Domain registrar thoughts and Mediawiki X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org If you want high quality hosting that never goes down and be treated like a real customer not just a number: www.quonix.net But be prepared to pay more then the discount outfits. When I say pay more, I mean around $10-$15 a month, not $10 a year. You get what you pay for. Pay crap, get crap. -John On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Douglas Muth wrote: > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 3:47 AM, JP Vossen wrote: >> Thanks to all who've replied thus far, I'm checking out your suggestions. >> >> Dreamhost *looks* awesome, but also gets a lot of bad press (along with >> a lot of good press). I'm thinking about trying to host with them and >> register with 1and1. Comments? >> > > My Dreamhost experience: 11 outages in 5 months. And those are only > the ones that I filed tickets on because they lasted longer than my > patience threshold. (about half an hour) I documented all of the > outages at http://giza.livejournal.com/495964.html if you're > interested in the details. > > Also, I had Drupal completely fall over under Dreamhost. One day > visitors to the site started receiving HTTP 500 errors. I had to prod > Dreamhost only to find that we had "exceeded our memory limit". So, > what was our memory limit? I have no idea, and neither did Dreamhost > apparently. Their website is mute on the subject. > > So that's my Dreamhost experience. Totally not bitter here. ;-) > > -- Doug > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Mar 03 16:55:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21596 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 08:55:49 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 08:55:49 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21579 invoked by uid 104); 3 Mar 2008 08:55:45 -0800 Received: from email2.gra-inc.com (HELO gra-inc.com) (67.62.29.206) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:55:45 -0800 Received: from [192.168.0.47] by gra-inc.com (MDaemon PRO v9.6.4) with ESMTP id 63-md50000160218.msg for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:51:21 -0500 X-Spam-Processed: gra-inc.com, Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:51:21 -0500 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-Authenticated-Sender: gregsonh@gra-inc.com X-Return-Path: prvs=1948f920bd=gregsonh@gra-inc.com X-Envelope-From: gregsonh@gra-inc.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Message-ID: <47CC2D00.4060300@gra-inc.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:53:20 -0500 From: Greg Helledy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "plug@lists.phillylinux.org" X-MDAV-Processed: gra-inc.com, Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:51:22 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] One True OS X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: gregsonh@gra-inc.com, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I work in a small (15 employees) firm that's dependent on MS Windows/Office. We do not have a full-time IT person--the guy who does our PC support is a programmer and has his own work to do. We are on XP and don't use domains. Recently we've had a lot of windows-related issues, some related to viruses and some not. This has caused the programmer a lot of stress and the company some inconvenience. I have played around with VMware player a tiny bit (I have a Debian Etch image here on my work PC) and it occurred to me that if we could run MS Office on XP in a VMware image, with a linux host OS we might be able to increase reliability. I would probably pick the LTS Kubuntu distribution for ease of support. My questions are: *Would we be able to get away with the free VMware player if the VMware tools are installed? *Can things be configured in such a way that sharing files between computers works as it does now, so that the controller and payroll person can pass excel files back and forth? *Are there any other things that are going to be significant obstacles to office work that I'm not thinking of? Thanks, Greg -------------------------- * From: JP Vossen My very small scale solution to all of this is to run W2KPro in VMware server under Ubuntu. This works great since I get awesome and complete cross-platform remote control (VMware fat console), hardware independence for the picky Windows side (it's a VM), Linux power and stability for the base platform (Ubuntu LTS), Windows "bare metal restore" backups (i.e., copy the VM dir!:), and Windows "upgrade" back-out protection (a VM snapshot). I can't stress enough how happy I am with this solution, but I only use it for a very small number of nodes thus far (4) and I doubt it's scalable though I really haven't given that much thought. [...] Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:40:53 -0500 > The need to do too many frequent upgrades has been one of my biggest > beefs with desktop Linux in commercial environments. Even with Ubuntu > - you really need to upgrade every 6 months, ... That's what Ubuntu LTS releases are for. While 3 years is a bit less than the recent MS major release cycle , it seems pretty good to me. My $0.02, JP -- Privileged/Confidential information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and notify GRA, Inc. (postmaster@gra-inc.com) immediately. 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Opinions, conclusions and other information expressed in this message are not given or endorsed by GRA, Inc. unless otherwise indicated by an authorized representative independent of this message. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Mon Mar 03 17:15:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 28068 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 09:15:00 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 09:15:00 -0800 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 28049 invoked by uid 104); 3 Mar 2008 09:14:58 -0800 Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.181) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:14:58 -0800 Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o28so150553ele.2 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:14:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.209.1 with SMTP id h1mr250515wag.130.1204564490212; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:14:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.181.16 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:14:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <351785350803030914j6b9469f9sd8f6af101c251d3c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:14:50 -0500 From: "Brian Stempin" To: gregsonh@gra-inc.com, "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <47CC2D00.4060300@gra-inc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <47CC2D00.4060300@gra-inc.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] One True OS X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1496670765==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1496670765== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28933_20282393.1204564490228" ------=_Part_28933_20282393.1204564490228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The reason that you would see increased reliability (if any at all) is not because you're running Windows on Linux via VMWare. It's because you'd be creating a consistent platform. Ie, you only have to manage a