From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Apr 01 19:08:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21068 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 12:08:37 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 12:08:37 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21032 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 12:08:34 -0700 Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (HELO gv-out-0910.google.com) (216.239.58.191) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:08:34 -0700 Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id e6so418740gvc.33 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.98.18 with SMTP id v18mr5242745wfb.61.1207076908119; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.144.20 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:08:28 -0400 From: "Ugarit Ebla" To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [PLUG] Job in Phillie Area: Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0974992537==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0974992537== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5600_6629613.1207076908109" ------=_Part_5600_6629613.1207076908109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If anyone is interested in this job or knows someone who is please forward this email notice: Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?dv=dv&APath=2.21.21.0.0&sfascc=IT&IPath=QHKGCV&sname=&jrdid=&lpage=4&job_did=J8F5K36ZF3R1RH87HLQ Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer *Description* This position will support our mission critical production IT infrastructure, support the IT needs of our users, and develop for our Web based energy trading software platform. The company is an 18x7 operational facility. *Candidates will be expected to pass formal evaluations for the required skills. Company * The company engages in wholesale power (electricity) transactions dealing in both physical and financial products. The company is small and is in the process of expansion. The location is in Cherry Hill, NJ (15 minutes from Philadelphia, PA). *Position* Advanced IT Mission Critical Production Support and Web Development *Required Skills Infrastructure* - Advanced Linux System administration, preferably RHEL5, including web services, e.g. Apache. - Administration of development support tools, e.g. Subversion - Network concepts, setup, administration and troubleshooting *Development* - Advanced Unix shell and shell utility programming - Advanced HTML, PHP, Javascript, CSS - Advanced Ajax (DHTML) toolkits, e.g. Prototype/Scriptaculous or equivalent - Full Development Life Cycle support - Interface with external corporate entities to resolve corporate issues * Desired Skills Infrastructure* - Microsoft Server including ADS, Fileserver, DNS and DHCP - Network routing, security, SSH, SSL - Virtualization, e.g. Xen *Development* - Advanced Perl scripting - VBA macros * Position Responsibilities* - On call support to be shared with all IT staff to provide 24x7 coverage. 8am to 12noon are the most critical time periods for support. - Support operations duties in addition to development tasks: backup, intranet, infrastructure and desktop software setup and upgrades - Perform test, deployment and support of all CPM code and IT assets - Resolve IT issues especially related to the trading platform and revenue generation - Become familiar with energy trading applications, data and associated processes - Debugging and maintaining IT energy trading assets - Microsoft Desktop installation, and maintenance - Microsoft Windows and Desktop platform - Microsoft Office, Acrobat, IE - Install and maintain corporate Content Management System (CMS), e.g. Drupal - Document processes - Interacts directly with the CIO, CEO and CFO - Communicate effectively with staff verbally and in writing - Can work under stress and under extremely tight schedules - Mature, flexible, responsible and adaptable - Independent but asks questions when necessary - Can wear multiple hats and play multiple roles - Details oriented and goal driven - Highly skilled at time management - Creative *Compensation Package* - Generous compensation commensurate with capabilities and experience - Company funded 401(k) - Medical and dental insurance - Significant bonuses contingent upon employee's contribution to overall company's performance - Paid vacation - Casual business atmosphere in state-of-the-art facility *US citizenship is required Background and criminal check is required* ------=_Part_5600_6629613.1207076908109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If anyone is interested in this job or knows someone who is please forward this email notice:

Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer

http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?dv=dv&APath=2.21.21.0.0&sfascc=IT&IPath=QHKGCV&sname=&jrdid=&lpage=4&job_did=J8F5K36ZF3R1RH87HLQ

Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer

Description

This position will support our mission critical production IT infrastructure, support the IT needs of our users, and develop for our Web based energy trading software platform. The company is an 18x7 operational facility. Candidates will be expected to pass formal evaluations for the required skills.

Company

The company engages in wholesale power (electricity) transactions dealing in both physical and financial products.  The company is small and is in the process of expansion.  The location is in Cherry Hill, NJ (15 minutes from Philadelphia, PA).

Position
Advanced IT Mission Critical Production Support and Web Development

Required Skills Infrastructure
  • Advanced Linux System administration, preferably RHEL5, including web services, e.g. Apache.
  • Administration of development support tools, e.g. Subversion
  • Network concepts, setup, administration and troubleshooting
Development
  • Advanced Unix shell and shell utility programming
  • Advanced HTML, PHP, Javascript, CSS
  • Advanced Ajax (DHTML) toolkits, e.g. Prototype/Scriptaculous or equivalent
  • Full Development Life Cycle support
  • Interface with external corporate entities to resolve corporate issues

 

Desired Skills

 

Infrastructure
  • Microsoft Server including ADS, Fileserver, DNS and DHCP
  • Network routing, security, SSH, SSL
  • Virtualization, e.g. Xen
Development
  • Advanced Perl scripting
  • VBA macros

 

Position Responsibilities
  • On call support to be shared with all IT staff to provide 24x7 coverage. 
    8am to 12noon are the most critical time periods for support.
  • Support operations duties in addition to development tasks: backup, intranet,
    infrastructure and desktop software setup and upgrades
  • Perform test, deployment and support of all CPM code and IT assets
  • Resolve IT issues especially related to the trading platform and revenue generation
  • Become familiar with energy trading applications, data and associated processes
  • Debugging and maintaining IT energy trading assets
  • Microsoft Desktop installation, and maintenance
  • Microsoft Windows and Desktop platform
  • Microsoft Office, Acrobat, IE
  • Install and maintain corporate Content Management System (CMS), e.g. Drupal
  • Document processes
  • Interacts directly with the CIO, CEO and CFO
  • Communicate effectively with staff verbally and in writing
  • Can work under stress and under extremely tight schedules
  • Mature, flexible, responsible and adaptable
  • Independent but asks questions when necessary
  • Can wear multiple hats and play multiple roles
  • Details oriented and goal driven
  • Highly skilled at time management
  • Creative

 

Compensation Package
  • Generous compensation commensurate with capabilities and experience
  • Company funded 401(k)
  • Medical and dental insurance
  • Significant bonuses contingent upon employee's contribution to overall company's performance
  • Paid vacation
  • Casual business atmosphere in state-of-the-art facility

US citizenship is required
Background and criminal check is required

 

 


------=_Part_5600_6629613.1207076908109-- --===============0974992537== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0974992537==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Apr 01 19:25:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 24777 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 12:25:29 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 12:25:29 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 24745 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 12:25:27 -0700 Received: from static-71-242-125-164.phil.east.verizon.net (HELO stow.eclipsed.net) (71.242.125.164) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:25:27 -0700 Received: by stow.eclipsed.net (YoMomma, from userid 1000) id 54E3284465; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:25:34 -0400 From: gabriel rosenkoetter To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Message-ID: <20080401192534.GV53408@stow.eclipsed.net> Mail-Followup-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Request: http://eclipsed.net/~gr/0cf9091a.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1175 C547 F847 8340 AC62 6C20 F5E8 5A70 0CF9 091A User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linux on Iphone X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0821101903==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0821101903== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dtsE+6jMZxJpedRo" Content-Disposition: inline --dtsE+6jMZxJpedRo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 2008-04-01 03:21 +0530, Deepan wrote: > I am wondering if anyone has managed to install > linux on iphone? I am aware of ipodlinux, for > ipod. Not sure if someone has hacked into iphone. > Openmoko is a nice alternative though. While that's theoretically possible (it'd need to be an ARM port of Linux), it hasn't been done and the (completely undocumented) device interfaces would make it pretty difficult to use the thing. No matter what, you wouldn't be able to use the phone as a *phone*, since the baseband is completely proprietary. (Yes, there are ways to unlock the phone from whatever carrier its bound to in the region it was sold, but that doesn't mean actually being able to speak to the baseband, it just means fooling it into accepting a different SIM.) All that said: why would you want to? The iPhone includes a 9.x Darwin install with a modified version of the Mac OS X display libraries overtop of it. There's a GCC package targetting the platform and various useful things (like a terminal app, SSH) available in binary form. One can (and I do with mine) treat it as just another Unix host. (Provided you jailbreak the iPhone, of course, but installing Linux is going way beyond that.) --=20 gabriel rosenkoetter gr@eclipsed.net --dtsE+6jMZxJpedRo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFH8owu9ehacAz5CRoRAnXPAJkBoDFAMxKW9YchQkZn4H2VKma1kwCeNW2M mNfITTFlYXPBxcyi6Qf+7Es= =Bcr4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dtsE+6jMZxJpedRo-- --===============0821101903== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0821101903==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Apr 01 19:43:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 28521 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 12:43:22 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 12:43:22 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 28154 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 12:42:55 -0700 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.171) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:42:55 -0700 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so2550179wfg.1 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.240.9 with SMTP id n9mr5311927wfh.6.1207078969936; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.144.20 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:42:49 -0400 From: "Ugarit Ebla" To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: [PLUG] Job in Phillie Area: Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0564605670==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0564605670== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5712_13182610.1207078969931" ------=_Part_5712_13182610.1207078969931 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Job's location is in Cherry Hill, NJ (15 minutes east of Philadelphia, PA)*. *The Benjamin Franklin bridge is only 10 minutes from the job. * *Please look at the careerbuilder.com for the salary and please do not email me resumes. *Applications must go through careerbuilder.com * On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Ugarit Ebla wrote: > If anyone is interested in this job or knows someone who is please forward > this email notice: > > Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer > > > http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?dv=dv&APath=2.21.21.0.0&sfascc=IT&IPath=QHKGCV&sname=&jrdid=&lpage=4&job_did=J8F5K36ZF3R1RH87HLQ > > ...... > ------=_Part_5712_13182610.1207078969931 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Job's location is in Cherry Hill, NJ (15 minutes east of Philadelphia, PA).  The Benjamin Franklin bridge is only 10 minutes from the job.

Please look at the careerbuilder.com for the salary and please do not email me resumes.

Applications must go through careerbuilder.com

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Ugarit Ebla <ugaritebla@gmail.com> wrote:
If anyone is interested in this job or knows someone who is please forward this email notice:

Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer

http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?dv=dv&APath=2.21.21.0.0&sfascc=IT&IPath=QHKGCV&sname=&jrdid=&lpage=4&job_did=J8F5K36ZF3R1RH87HLQ

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------=_Part_5712_13182610.1207078969931-- --===============0564605670== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0564605670==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Apr 01 19:47:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 30696 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 12:47:27 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 12:47:27 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 30657 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 12:47:23 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:47:23 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w53so2982206pyg.25 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.10 with SMTP id p10mr14328390pyi.34.1207079237720; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ?10.2.2.101? ( [74.94.60.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p57sm479895pyb.15.2008.04.01.12.47.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47F29146.2060601@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:47:18 -0400 From: brent saner User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060918) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List References: <20080401192534.GV53408@stow.eclipsed.net> In-Reply-To: <20080401192534.GV53408@stow.eclipsed.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=832D950A Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linux on Iphone X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 gabriel rosenkoetter wrote: | | All that said: why would you want to [install GNU/Linux on an | iPhone]? Probably because as of late, Mac's track record for security isn't as hot as it's thought to be: http://security.itworld.com/5013/mac-hacked-first-in-contest-080327/page_1.html - -- Brent Saner 215.264.0112(cell) 215.362.7696(residence) http://www.thenotebookarmy.org Bill Gates is to hacking as Sid Vicious was to the Sex Pistols: no talent, everyone hates him, and he's just in it for the fame and money. GPG INFO: pub 1024D/832D950A 2008-01-26 uid Brent Timothy Saner uid Brent Timothy Saner (ACE Technology Group, www.acetechgroup.com) sub 4096g/1C18F61D 2008-01-26 (pgp.mit.edu) FINGERPRINT: 91EC 3B91 17E3 84E8 662A 9911 F2ED 9987 832D 950A -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH8pFF8u2Zh4MtlQoRA2n4AKCvpYoSU/e/E1uv2tkZVasHD0bn6ACfe19Z gz7oA9qSm4KB68aqOHDpHvg= =n3hw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Apr 01 20:48:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 11185 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 13:48:15 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 13:48:15 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 11153 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 13:48:13 -0700 Received: from out4.smtp.messagingengine.com (HELO out4.smtp.messagingengine.com) (66.111.4.28) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:48:13 -0700 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA7FE4C15; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:48:09 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: Y2H0B3saOZMpeFTkF7+JeAl/EYrnn/5xmbnJeeOngr/g 1207082888 Received: from mikhail.pvrm (c-76-99-140-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.140.69]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B6ADC10457; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:48:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Rosewarne To: Deepan , Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:05:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200804011605.37879.mrosewarne@inoutbox.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linux on Iphone X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1850145944==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============1850145944== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2706640.8oofTyGVAS"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart2706640.8oofTyGVAS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 31 March 2008, Deepan wrote: > I am wondering if anyone has managed to install > linux on iphone? I am aware of ipodlinux, for > ipod. Not sure if someone has hacked into iphone. > Openmoko is a nice alternative though. If you want a phone that does what you want and lets you have control, get = an=20 OpenMoko. Buying Apple's phone is a $300 endorsement of their existing=20 practice of doing everything possible to lock you out, regardless of whethe= r=20 or not you ultimately force it to run Linux. --nextPart2706640.8oofTyGVAS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBH8pWRLE8yW/+QbWIRAjV8AJ48FRyOGD27xyBmq+RO+31g7xcahgCgnJ9U 4KNd/5vvO8dhIq74Z0/4ezA= =B8y/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2706640.8oofTyGVAS-- --===============1850145944== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1850145944==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Apr 01 22:33:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 31647 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 15:33:56 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 15:33:56 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 31593 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 15:33:53 -0700 Received: from web59106.mail.re1.yahoo.com (HELO web59106.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (66.196.101.17) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with SMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:33:53 -0700 Received: (qmail 84095 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2008 22:33:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Wr2DblUVM1nYNGlojgDEDNkqVbqHGvKlzbT5Te928NBZinUzBUFuf6fooQU0iT.JYQtJ23e1hCcKg667dgGD6JoXCUDOEmi1.5wsk2gmvDliSOAR7LM4sZa9xxGs Received: from [67.99.10.1] by web59106.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:33:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:33:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Josh Goldstein To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <727235.83882.qm@web59106.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Job in Phillie Area: Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0071644080==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0071644080== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-99566420-1207089229=:83882" --0-99566420-1207089229=:83882 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is it normal for such a job to not list the salary? Or did I just miss it? ----- Original Message ---- From: Ugarit Ebla To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 3:42:49 PM Subject: Re: [PLUG] Job in Phillie Area: Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer Job's location is in Cherry Hill, NJ (15 minutes east of Philadelphia, PA). The Benjamin Franklin bridge is only 10 minutes from the job. Please look at the careerbuilder.com for the salary and please do not email me resumes. Applications must go through careerbuilder.com On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Ugarit Ebla wrote: If anyone is interested in this job or knows someone who is please forward this email notice: Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?dv=dv&APath=2.21.21.0.0&sfascc=IT&IPath=QHKGCV&sname=&jrdid=&lpage=4&job_did=J8F5K36ZF3R1RH87HLQ ...... ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com --0-99566420-1207089229=:83882 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Is it normal for such a job to not list the salary?  Or did I just miss it?


----- Original Message ----
From: Ugarit Ebla <ugaritebla@gmail.com>
To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 3:42:49 PM
Subject: Re: [PLUG] Job in Phillie Area: Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer

Job's location is in Cherry Hill, NJ (15 minutes east of Philadelphia, PA).  The Benjamin Franklin bridge is only 10 minutes from the job.

Please look at the careerbuilder.com for the salary and please do not email me resumes.

Applications must go through careerbuilder.com

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Ugarit Ebla <ugaritebla@gmail.com> wrote:
If anyone is interested in this job or knows someone who is please forward this email notice:

Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer

http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?dv=dv&APath=2.21.21.0.0&sfascc=IT&IPath=QHKGCV&sname=&jrdid=&lpage=4&job_did=J8F5K36ZF3R1RH87HLQ

......



You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. --0-99566420-1207089229=:83882-- --===============0071644080== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0071644080==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Apr 01 22:38:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 32651 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 15:38:19 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 15:38:19 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 32637 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 15:38:16 -0700 Received: from mail.tektonic.net (HELO mail.tektonic.net) (207.210.106.37) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:38:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 27850 invoked by uid 89); 1 Apr 2008 22:30:54 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 27843, pid: 27846, t: 0.2324s scanners: clamav: 0.87.1/m:36/d:1364 spam: 3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on mail.tektonic.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=7.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.1.10.178?) (matta@tektonic.net@74.95.176.190) by mail.tektonic.net with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 22:30:54 -0000 Message-ID: <47F2B93F.1000301@tektonic.net> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:37:51 -0400 From: Matt Ayres User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List References: <727235.83882.qm@web59106.mail.re1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <727235.83882.qm@web59106.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Job in Phillie Area: Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Josh Goldstein wrote: > Is it normal for such a job to not list the salary? Or did I just > miss it? > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ugarit Ebla > To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 3:42:49 PM > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Job in Phillie Area: Senior IT Systems Engineer > and Developer > > * > *Please look at the careerbuilder.com for > the salary and please do not email me resumes. > > ** ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Tue Apr 01 23:00:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 4646 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 16:00:32 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 16:00:32 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 4215 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 16:00:13 -0700 Received: from static-71-242-125-164.phil.east.verizon.net (HELO stow.eclipsed.net) (71.242.125.164) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:00:13 -0700 Received: by stow.eclipsed.net (YoMomma, from userid 1000) id BA7C28445A; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:00:10 -0400 From: gabriel rosenkoetter To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Message-ID: <20080401230010.GX53408@stow.eclipsed.net> Mail-Followup-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List References: <20080401192534.GV53408@stow.eclipsed.net> <47F29146.2060601@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <47F29146.2060601@gmail.com> X-PGP-Request: http://eclipsed.net/~gr/0cf9091a.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1175 C547 F847 8340 AC62 6C20 F5E8 5A70 0CF9 091A User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linux on Iphone X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0902462026==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0902462026== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Jl04SkPfyEiGE6TK" Content-Disposition: inline --Jl04SkPfyEiGE6TK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 2008-04-01 15:47 -0400, brent saner wrote: > Probably because as of late, Mac's track record for security isn't as > hot as it's thought to be: >=20 > http://security.itworld.com/5013/mac-hacked-first-in-contest-080327/page_= 1.html That's a wonderful strawman you built so that you could link to a completely irrelevant article in a biased way. Never mind having nothing to do with the iPhone beyond a pattern search. Were you Feeling Lucky or something? Installing something that's not Mac OS X on an iPhone, besides being technically difficult, makes it completely useless as a *telephone*. There are (as others, including OP have pointed out) far more productive telecommunications devices on which to hack. --=20 gabriel rosenkoetter gr@eclipsed.net --Jl04SkPfyEiGE6TK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFH8r569ehacAz5CRoRAnq3AJ93nVVlZ0Sl4LisojEB6RBf7Xf2dQCffZwa QJ4s2lrxRqtWQqjwL4D0fHI= =0jlk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Jl04SkPfyEiGE6TK-- --===============0902462026== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0902462026==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 00:14:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 13302 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:14:18 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:14:18 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 13284 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 17:14:12 -0700 Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (HELO QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.17) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:14:12 -0700 Received: from OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8Jcb1Z00B16LCl05A0FF00; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:13:09 +0000 Received: from Mail.NerdWorld.org ([68.80.217.188]) by OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8QDw1Z00M44UKaU3S00000; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:13:57 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZxxKRKei2tFXwH79ZaYA:9 a=bNP2bIm2-At5-MgOBdMZlVq40W4A:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Received: by Mail.NerdWorld.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 711D5174D9; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:14:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on MailServer.NerdWorld.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7-deb Received: from M5.NerdWorld.org (M5.NerdWorld.org [192.168.1.100]) by Mail.NerdWorld.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9565E174D7 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:14:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Casey Bralla Organization: The NerdWorld Organisation To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:13:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <47F29146.2060601@gmail.com> <20080401230010.GX53408@stow.eclipsed.net> In-Reply-To: <20080401230010.GX53408@stow.eclipsed.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200804012013.45301.MailList@NerdWorld.org> Subject: [PLUG] OT: GPS Recommendation Wanted X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org I am planning on getting a GPS unit for my car. I want to semi-permanently mount it on the dash, hard wiring the power supply into the vehicle. (In other words, I'll hard wire around the cigarette lighter plug, and leave the plug into the GPS unit intact.) My desire is to have the GPS turn on automatically when I start the car (my cigarette lighter outlet shuts off with the car). However, I have noticed one huge problem: Many GPS units require that you acknowledge a limit to liability whenever the unit turns on! This not only annoys me philosophically (how many other consumer goods will soon require a formal limit to liability release be approved before they will work????), but also means the unit won't work "automatically" unless I touch the control pad. Does anyone know of a good GPS unit that does **not** require constant acknowledgment that I'm still supposed to watch where I'm driving and that it's not the GPS's fault if I drive into a tree? -- Casey Bralla Chief Nerd in Residence The NerdWorld Organisation ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 00:37:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 17309 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:37:16 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:37:16 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 17296 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 17:37:13 -0700 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.176) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:37:13 -0700 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so2956482wah.11 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.150.1 with SMTP id x1mr13585575wad.144.1207096624830; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.59.3 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <27c114eb0804011737h714cf683p457494de36e1671e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:37:04 -0400 From: brent To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <20080401230010.GX53408@stow.eclipsed.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080401192534.GV53408@stow.eclipsed.net> <47F29146.2060601@gmail.com> <20080401230010.GX53408@stow.eclipsed.net> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linux on Iphone X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0672724266==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0672724266== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19935_2764509.1207096624802" ------=_Part_19935_2764509.1207096624802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 7:00 PM, gabriel rosenkoetter wrote: > That's a wonderful strawman you built so that you could link to a > completely irrelevant article in a biased way. Never mind having > nothing to do with the iPhone beyond a pattern search. Were you > Feeling Lucky or something? > > Installing something that's not Mac OS X on an iPhone, besides being > technically difficult, makes it completely useless as a *telephone*. > There are (as others, including OP have pointed out) far more > productive telecommunications devices on which to hack. > > goodness! switch to decaf. it's NOT irrelevant NOR biased; it's a documented and current example of Mac's decreased motivation in development. i didn't even google for it; i KNEW about it and was referencing it. would YOU want a phone with software on it that was even buggier and under-developed than an OS that was cracked in 2 mins? i wouldn't. tiger era i'm okay with. but both the iphone and leopard... Mac devs are getting lazy and there's no disputing that. "release early and release often" is a rule i live by when it comes to patches- they've only got half of that equation right, and it sure as hell ain't "release often". i'm not an anti-fanboi or anything; rather, i think they took a great product they were offering and are starting to break it simply to pack more "stuff" into it without increasing the development resources/effort. however, the telephone argument in and of itself is certainly valid- due to comm. signal regulations and the like, it's a bit difficult to create a completely open mobile phone. to be perfectly honest, i'm not sure how openmoko is getting away with it in the US- i'd imagine the FCC would try to skin them alive for that. essentially, getting linux on an iphone would turn it into a pretty palm pilot you could shell into, and that's about it. and that's IF the hardware/specifications were actually documented. and they're, um, not. while not a phone, my cousin loves the Nokia N810 which runs GNU/Linux. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N810 ------=_Part_19935_2764509.1207096624802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 7:00 PM, gabriel rosenkoetter <gr@eclipsed.net> wrote:
That's a wonderful strawman you built so that you could link to a
completely irrelevant article in a biased way. Never mind having
nothing to do with the iPhone beyond a pattern search. Were you
Feeling Lucky or something?

Installing something that's not Mac OS X on an iPhone, besides being
technically difficult, makes it completely useless as a *telephone*.
There are (as others, including OP have pointed out) far more
productive telecommunications devices on which to hack.


goodness! switch to decaf. it's NOT irrelevant NOR biased; it's a documented and current example of Mac's decreased motivation in development. i didn't even google for it; i KNEW about it and was referencing it. would YOU want a phone with software on it that was even buggier and under-developed than an OS that was cracked in 2 mins? i wouldn't. tiger era i'm okay with. but both the iphone and leopard... Mac devs are getting lazy and there's no disputing that. "release early and release often" is a rule i live by when it comes to patches- they've only got half of that equation right, and it sure as hell ain't "release often". i'm not an anti-fanboi or anything; rather, i think they took a great product they were offering and are starting to break it simply to pack more "stuff" into it without increasing the development resources/effort.

however, the telephone argument in and of itself is certainly valid- due to comm. signal regulations and the like, it's a bit difficult to create a completely open mobile phone. to be perfectly honest, i'm not sure how openmoko is getting away with it in the US- i'd imagine the FCC would try to skin them alive for that. essentially, getting linux on an iphone would turn it into a pretty palm pilot you could shell into, and that's about it. and that's IF the hardware/specifications were actually documented. and they're, um, not.

while not a phone, my cousin loves the Nokia N810 which runs GNU/Linux.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N810

------=_Part_19935_2764509.1207096624802-- --===============0672724266== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0672724266==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 00:40:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 17892 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:40:40 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:40:40 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 17824 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 17:40:36 -0700 Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.178) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:40:36 -0700 Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o28so1036521ele.2 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.58.6 with SMTP id g6mr13596779waa.138.1207096832430; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.59.3 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <27c114eb0804011740i13627bdu5518887d308f0089@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:40:32 -0400 From: brent To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <200804012013.45301.MailList@NerdWorld.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <47F29146.2060601@gmail.com> <20080401230010.GX53408@stow.eclipsed.net> <200804012013.45301.MailList@NerdWorld.org> Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: GPS Recommendation Wanted X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0286323215==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0286323215== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19947_1933536.1207096832384" ------=_Part_19947_1933536.1207096832384 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Casey Bralla wrote: > I am planning on getting a GPS unit for my car. I want to > semi-permanently mount it on > the dash, hard wiring the power supply into the vehicle. (In other words, > I'll hard > wire around the cigarette lighter plug, and leave the plug into the GPS > unit intact.) > > My desire is to have the GPS turn on automatically when I start the car > (my cigarette > lighter outlet shuts off with the car). > > However, I have noticed one huge problem: Many GPS units require that > you acknowledge > a limit to liability whenever the unit turns on! > > > This not only annoys me philosophically (how many other consumer goods > will soon > require a formal limit to liability release be approved before they will > work????), > but also means the unit won't work "automatically" unless I touch the > control pad. > > > Does anyone know of a good GPS unit that does **not** require constant > acknowledgment > that I'm still supposed to watch where I'm driving and that it's not the > GPS's fault > if I drive into a tree? > > more of a PoC than anything, but you could get a eeepc and hack it into a makeshift GPS... might even be cheaper if you get the 2gb surf model eeepc. yes, it's an odd idea. no, i don't think i would use it myself. yes, i probably would only want to do it because i'd love doing that hack. -- Brent Saner 215.264.0112(cell) 215.362.7696(residence) http://www.thenotebookarmy.org Bill Gates is to hacking as Sid Vicious was to the Sex Pistols: no talent, everyone hates him, and he's just in it for the fame and money. ------=_Part_19947_1933536.1207096832384 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Casey Bralla <MailList@nerdworld.org> wrote:
I am planning on getting a GPS unit for my car.  I want to semi-permanently mount it on
the dash, hard wiring the power supply into the vehicle.  (In other words, I'll hard
wire around the cigarette lighter plug, and leave the plug into the GPS unit intact.)

My desire is to have the GPS turn on automatically when I start the car (my cigarette
lighter outlet shuts off with the car).

However, I have noticed one huge problem:   Many GPS units require that you acknowledge
a limit to liability whenever the unit turns on!


This not only annoys me philosophically (how many other consumer goods will soon
require a formal limit to liability release be approved before they will work????),
but also means the unit won't work "automatically" unless I touch the control pad.


Does anyone know of a good GPS unit that does **not** require constant acknowledgment
that I'm still supposed to watch where I'm driving and that it's not the GPS's fault
if I drive into a tree?



more of a PoC than anything, but you could get a eeepc and hack it into a makeshift GPS... might even be cheaper if you get the 2gb surf model eeepc.

yes, it's an odd idea. no, i don't think i would use it myself. yes, i probably would only want to do it because i'd love doing that hack.

--
Brent Saner
215.264.0112(cell)
215.362.7696(residence)

http://www.thenotebookarmy.org

Bill Gates is to hacking as Sid Vicious was to the Sex Pistols: no talent, everyone hates him, and he's just in it for the fame and money. ------=_Part_19947_1933536.1207096832384-- --===============0286323215== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0286323215==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 00:44:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 18563 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:44:23 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:44:23 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 18531 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 17:44:19 -0700 Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.178) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:44:19 -0700 Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o28so1037924ele.2 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.162.5 with SMTP id k5mr5432915wfe.171.1207097054312; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.144.20 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:44:14 -0400 From: "Ugarit Ebla" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <727235.83882.qm@web59106.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <727235.83882.qm@web59106.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Job in Phillie Area: Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0866153169==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --===============0866153169== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7027_1252763.1207097054323" ------=_Part_7027_1252763.1207097054323 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The salary is there! Look at the left column in this link http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?dv=dv&APath=2.21.21.0.0&sfascc=IT&IPath=QHKGCV&sname=&jrdid=&lpage=4&job_did=J8F5K36ZF3R1RH87HLQ The salary is from $100,000 to $150,000 + bonuses On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Josh Goldstein wrote: > Is it normal for such a job to not list the salary? Or did I just miss > it? > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ugarit Ebla > To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 3:42:49 PM > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Job in Phillie Area: Senior IT Systems Engineer and > Developer > > Job's location is in Cherry Hill, NJ (15 minutes east of Philadelphia, PA) > *. *The Benjamin Franklin bridge is only 10 minutes from the job. > * > *Please look at the careerbuilder.com for the salary and please do not > email me resumes. > > *Applications must go through careerbuilder.com > * > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Ugarit Ebla wrote: > > > If anyone is interested in this job or knows someone who is please > > forward this email notice: > > > > Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer > > > > > > http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?dv=dv&APath=2.21.21.0.0&sfascc=IT&IPath=QHKGCV&sname=&jrdid=&lpage=4&job_did=J8F5K36ZF3R1RH87HLQ > > > > ...... > > > > > > ------------------------------ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, > No Cost. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > ------=_Part_7027_1252763.1207097054323 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The salary is there! Look at the left column in this link

http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?dv=dv&APath=2.21.21.0.0&sfascc=IT&IPath=QHKGCV&sname=&jrdid=&lpage=4&job_did=J8F5K36ZF3R1RH87HLQ

The salary is from $100,000 to $150,000 + bonuses

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Josh Goldstein <oopjosh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is it normal for such a job to not list the salary?  Or did I just miss it?


----- Original Message ----
From: Ugarit Ebla <ugaritebla@gmail.com>
To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 3:42:49 PM
Subject: Re: [PLUG] Job in Phillie Area: Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer

Job's location is in Cherry Hill, NJ (15 minutes east of Philadelphia, PA).  The Benjamin Franklin bridge is only 10 minutes from the job.

Please look at the careerbuilder.com for the salary and please do not email me resumes.

Applications must go through careerbuilder.com

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Ugarit Ebla <ugaritebla@gmail.com> wrote:
If anyone is interested in this job or knows someone who is please forward this email notice:

Senior IT Systems Engineer and Developer

http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?dv=dv&APath=2.21.21.0.0&sfascc=IT&IPath=QHKGCV&sname=&jrdid=&lpage=4&job_did=J8F5K36ZF3R1RH87HLQ

......



You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.

___________________________________________________________________________
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------=_Part_7027_1252763.1207097054323-- --===============0866153169== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============0866153169==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 00:46:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 20369 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:46:11 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:46:11 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 20347 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 17:46:06 -0700 Received: from macserver.v-system.net (HELO macserver.v-system.net) (75.147.85.146) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:46:06 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL: 0.484,BAYES_00: -1.665,HTML_MESSAGE: 0.001, CUSTOM_RULE_SUBJECT: ALLOW,TOTAL_SCORE: -1.180 X-Spam-Level: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by macserver.v-system.net for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:45:57 -0400 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" From: "Brian Vagnoni" In-Reply-To: 200804012013.45301.MailList@NerdWorld.org Message-ID: <20080402004557.b7a5b4ec@macserver.v-system.net> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:45:57 -0400 X-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.1.13) Gecko/20080311 Firefox/2.0.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: GPS Recommendation Wanted X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1096421873==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1096421873== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------cb90835e15913089c96458aec4154456" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -------------cb90835e15913089c96458aec4154456 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Even my Pharos GPS software which is installed on my non-internal capabl= e GPS Verizon Wireless xv6800 requires acknowledgment. This is less of a= statement of technology and more a statement about our sue at the drop = of the hat, put responsibility on anyone but yourself society. So no I d= on't think you will find one that is external. If it is factory installe= d you mite not have to do that. However, since most car companies don't = write the software I could definitely see you having to do that. If certain water shed events were to happen you could conceivably have t= o do that every time you make a cell phone call. Something to think abou= t.=20 Regardless, good luck on your search. :-) Brian Vagnoni =20 PGP Digital Fingerprint F076 6EEE 06E5 BEEF EBBD BD36 F29E 850D FC32 3955 =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =20 From: Casey Bralla [mailto:MailList@NerdWorld.org] To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List [mailto:plug@lists.p= hillylinux.org] Sent: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:13:45 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] OT: GPS Recommendation Wanted However, I have noticed one huge problem: Many GPS units require tha= t you acknowledge=20 a limit to liability whenever the unit turns on! =20 =20 This not only annoys me philosophically (how many other consumer goods= will soon=20 require a formal limit to liability release be approved before they wi= ll work=3F=3F=3F=3F),=20 but also means the unit won't work "automatically" unless I touch the = control pad. =20 =20 =20 -------------cb90835e15913089c96458aec4154456 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Even my Pharos GPS software which is installed on my non-internal capabl= e GPS Verizon Wireless xv6800 requires acknowledgment. This is less of a= statement of technology and more a statement about our sue at the drop = of the hat, put responsibility on anyone but yourself society. So no I d= on't think you will find one that is external. If it is factory installe= d you mite not have to do that. However, since most car companies don't = write the software I could definitely see you having to do that.

= If certain water shed events were to happen you could conceivably have t= o do that every time you make a cell phone call. Something to think abou= t.

Regardless, good luck on your search. :-)

Brian Vagnon= i



PGP Digital Fingerprint

F076 6EEE 06E5 BEEF EBB= D BD36 F29E 850D FC32 3955

From: Casey Bralla [mailto:MailList@NerdWorld.org]To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List [mailto:plug= @lists.phillylinux.org]
Sent: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:13:45 -0400<= br>Subject: [PLUG] OT: GPS Recommendation Wanted


However, I have noticed one huge problem: Many GPS units require that = you acknowledge
a limit to liability whenever the unit turns on!


This not only annoys me philosophically (how many other consumer goods w= ill soon
require a formal limit to liability release be approved before they will= work=3F=3F=3F=3F),
but also means the unit won't work "automatically" unless I touch the co= ntrol pad.


-------------cb90835e15913089c96458aec4154456-- --===============1096421873== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1096421873==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 00:48:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21036 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:48:30 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:48:30 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21002 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 17:48:28 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.233) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:48:28 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 76so1596307wra.10 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.79.12 with SMTP id g12mr3659885rvl.29.1207097303456; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.187.13 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:48:23 -0400 From: "Isaac Bennetch" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <200804012013.45301.MailList@NerdWorld.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47F29146.2060601@gmail.com> <20080401230010.GX53408@stow.eclipsed.net> <200804012013.45301.MailList@NerdWorld.org> Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: GPS Recommendation Wanted X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Casey Bralla wrote: > Does anyone know of a good GPS unit that does **not** require constant acknowledgment > that I'm still supposed to watch where I'm driving and that it's not the GPS's fault > if I drive into a tree? My Garmin StreetPilot 330 does display the warning, but if I ignore it for 20 or 30 seconds it goes away on its own. Probably not the answer you were looking for, but still... PS: I'm very happy with my unit and recommend them highly. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 00:48:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 21484 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 17:48:57 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 17:48:57 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 21450 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 17:48:55 -0700 Received: from macserver.v-system.net (HELO macserver.v-system.net) (75.147.85.146) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:48:55 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL: 0.233,BAYES_00: -1.665,HTML_40_50: 0.496, HTML_MESSAGE: 0.001,CUSTOM_RULE_SUBJECT: ALLOW,TOTAL_SCORE: -0.935 X-Spam-Level: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by macserver.v-system.net for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:48:49 -0400 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" From: "Brian Vagnoni" In-Reply-To: 27c114eb0804011740i13627bdu5518887d308f0089@mail.gmail.com Message-ID: <20080402004849.7dd14888@macserver.v-system.net> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:48:49 -0400 X-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.1.13) Gecko/20080311 Firefox/2.0.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: GPS Recommendation Wanted X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1726254478==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1726254478== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------5f484aa907bf5f79cf68f77a64276f39" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -------------5f484aa907bf5f79cf68f77a64276f39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Easier, get one that is firmware upgradeable and edit said firmware and = remove acknowledgment splash screen. IMHO just a matter of time, it sho= uld be an easy hack to. Brian Vagnoni =20 PGP Digital Fingerprint F076 6EEE 06E5 BEEF EBBD BD36 F29E 850D FC32 3955 more of a PoC than anything, but you could get a eeepc and hack it into = a makeshift GPS... might even be cheaper if you get the 2gb surf model e= eepc. yes, it's an odd idea. no, i don't think i would use it myself. yes, i p= robably would only want to do it because i'd love doing that hack. =20 --=20 Brent Saner 215.264.0112(cell) 215.362.7696(residence) http://www.thenotebookarmy.org Bill Gates is to hacking as Sid Vicious was to the Sex Pistols: no talen= t, everyone hates him, and he's just in it for the fame and money. =20 -------------5f484aa907bf5f79cf68f77a64276f39 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Easier, get one that is firmware upgradeable and edit said firmware and = remove acknowledgment splash screen.  IMHO just a matter of time, i= t should be an easy hack to.

Brian Vagnoni



PGP Di= gital Fingerprint

F076 6EEE 06E5 BEEF EBBD BD36 F29E 850D FC32 3= 955




more of a PoC than anything, but you c= ould get a eeepc and hack it into a makeshift GPS... might even be cheap= er if you get the 2gb surf model eeepc.

yes, it's an odd idea. no= , i don't think i would use it myself. yes, i probably would only want t= o do it because i'd love doing that hack.

--
Brent Saner
215.264.0112(cell)
215.362.7696= (residence)

http://www= .thenotebookarmy.org

Bill Gates is to hacking as Sid Vicious = was to the Sex Pistols: no talent, everyone hates him, and he's just in = it for the fame and money.
-------------5f484aa907bf5f79cf68f77a64276f39-- --===============1726254478== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1726254478==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 02:16:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 2007 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 19:16:15 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 19:16:15 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 1978 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 19:16:13 -0700 Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.30) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:16:13 -0700 Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so292905ywb.1 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.138.1 with SMTP id l1mr4626517ybd.6.1207102569171; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.198.14 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:16:09 -0400 From: "K.S. Bhaskar" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <200804012013.45301.MailList@NerdWorld.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47F29146.2060601@gmail.com> <20080401230010.GX53408@stow.eclipsed.net> <200804012013.45301.MailList@NerdWorld.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f7a8e70caf7de413 Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: GPS Recommendation Wanted X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org My TomTom One doesn't ask me to acknowledge that I know what I am doing when I turn it on. Also, it runs Linux, source code is available and it can be hacked (http://opentom.org). No, just because I can hack it doesn't mean that I have hacked it. Major annoyance is that the PC connection software is Windows. I have seen it on sale for around $150 - I paid around $240 for it, and thought I was getting a good deal because it had been on sale for more, but prices have been coming down steadily on GPS. -- Bhaskar On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Casey Bralla wrote: > I am planning on getting a GPS unit for my car. I want to semi-permanently mount it on > the dash, hard wiring the power supply into the vehicle. (In other words, I'll hard > wire around the cigarette lighter plug, and leave the plug into the GPS unit intact.) > > My desire is to have the GPS turn on automatically when I start the car (my cigarette > lighter outlet shuts off with the car). > > However, I have noticed one huge problem: Many GPS units require that you acknowledge > a limit to liability whenever the unit turns on! > > > This not only annoys me philosophically (how many other consumer goods will soon > require a formal limit to liability release be approved before they will work????), > but also means the unit won't work "automatically" unless I touch the control pad. > > > Does anyone know of a good GPS unit that does **not** require constant acknowledgment > that I'm still supposed to watch where I'm driving and that it's not the GPS's fault > if I drive into a tree? > > -- > > > Casey Bralla > Chief Nerd in Residence > The NerdWorld Organisation > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 02:38:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 8173 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 19:38:36 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 19:38:36 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 7728 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 19:37:32 -0700 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.179) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:37:32 -0700 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so3004356wah.11 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.38.2 with SMTP id l2mr13811788wal.69.1207103831914; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.16.6 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:37:11 -0400 From: "Austin Murphy" To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47F29146.2060601@gmail.com> <20080401230010.GX53408@stow.eclipsed.net> <200804012013.45301.MailList@NerdWorld.org> Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: GPS Recommendation Wanted X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Isaac Bennetch wrote: > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Casey Bralla wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a good GPS unit that does **not** require constant acknowledgment > > that I'm still supposed to watch where I'm driving and that it's not the GPS's fault > > if I drive into a tree? > > My Garmin StreetPilot 330 does display the warning, but if I ignore it > for 20 or 30 seconds it goes away on its own. Probably not the answer > you were looking for, but still... My Garmin nuvi 200 does the same thing with the warning. It displays it, but will bypass after 30 seconds or so. Then it just sits at the menu instead of going directly to the map by default. I still have to touch it to make it show anything interesting. After the initial OK or wait, it never asks you again until you power cycle. I saw on a friend's Prius that the built-in GPS device forbids anyone to operate it while the car is moving. Not even the passenger. You have to physically stop the car to make changes. Talk about annoying... Austin ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 02:41:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 9186 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 19:40:27 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 19:40:27 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 7964 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 19:38:09 -0700 Received: from macserver.v-system.net (HELO macserver.v-system.net) (75.147.85.146) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:38:06 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL: 0.413,BAYES_00: -1.665,HTML_50_60: 0.134, HTML_MESSAGE: 0.001,CUSTOM_RULE_FROM: ALLOW,TOTAL_SCORE: -1.117 X-Spam-Level: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by macserver.v-system.net for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:37:54 -0400 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org From: "Brian Vagnoni" Message-ID: <20080402023754.0be94f86@macserver.v-system.net> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:37:54 -0400 X-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.1.13) Gecko/20080311 Firefox/2.0.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [PLUG] Comcast, BitTorrent Work Toward Net Neutrality X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1803548673==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1803548673== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------4d2381340ee1de9ed437ba6116cc2c7e" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -------------4d2381340ee1de9ed437ba6116cc2c7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No this is not an April Fool; unless Ziff Davis is up to it. =20 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2279615,00.asp =20 Long story short Comast more or less isn't going to interfere with "Bi= t Torrent" anymore...... 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Long story short Comast more or less isn't going to interfere with "Bit = Torrent" anymore......

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F076 6EEE 06E5 BEEF EBBD BD36 F29E 850D FC32 3955 -------------4d2381340ee1de9ed437ba6116cc2c7e-- --===============1803548673== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1803548673==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 02:49:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 15452 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 19:49:19 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 19:49:19 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 13462 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 19:48:03 -0700 Received: from macserver.v-system.net (HELO macserver.v-system.net) (75.147.85.146) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:48:03 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL: 0.477,BAYES_00: -1.665,HTML_MESSAGE: 0.001, CUSTOM_RULE_FROM: ALLOW,TOTAL_SCORE: -1.187 X-Spam-Level: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by macserver.v-system.net for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:47:54 -0400 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" From: "Brian Vagnoni" In-Reply-To: 20080402023754.0be94f86@macserver.v-system.net Message-ID: <20080402024754.b57de475@macserver.v-system.net> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:47:54 -0400 X-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.1.13) Gecko/20080311 Firefox/2.0.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [PLUG] This is an April Fool X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1881450736==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1881450736== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------06daf738d5af69d79135d3edd291c98f" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -------------06daf738d5af69d79135d3edd291c98f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.metasploit.com/ Brian Vagnoni PGP Digital Fingerprint F076 6EEE 06E5 BEEF EBBD BD36 F29E 850D FC32 3955 -------------06daf738d5af69d79135d3edd291c98f Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.metasploit.com/

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-------------06daf738d5af69d79135d3edd291c98f-- --===============1881450736== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1881450736==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 03:56:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 2826 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 20:56:37 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 20:56:37 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 2746 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 20:56:31 -0700 Received: from mout.perfora.net (HELO mout.perfora.net) (74.208.4.195) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:56:31 -0700 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-69-142-102-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [69.142.102.2]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1Jgu5937ou-0000UC; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:56:17 -0400 Message-ID: <47F303D3.5040100@gamebox.net> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:56:03 -0400 From: Chad Vogelsong User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List References: <47F29146.2060601@gmail.com> <20080401230010.GX53408@stow.eclipsed.net> <200804012013.45301.MailList@NerdWorld.org> In-Reply-To: <200804012013.45301.MailList@NerdWorld.org> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080401-0, 04/01/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19gXHXx+zRFXogQEdBC0PyJ4pC08o+ZLgL1c4b DScOmvymUw0QAVtKEuZIlr6zsUeYnHCLOd0f+cDH14OvpA3vFX HdvXoEs+zxOhwbj+8Ctqp/6K4GM4EsL Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: GPS Recommendation Wanted X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Casey Bralla wrote: > I am planning on getting a GPS unit for my car. I want to semi-permanently mount it on > the dash, hard wiring the power supply into the vehicle. (In other words, I'll hard > wire around the cigarette lighter plug, and leave the plug into the GPS unit intact.) > > My desire is to have the GPS turn on automatically when I start the car (my cigarette > lighter outlet shuts off with the car). > > However, I have noticed one huge problem: Many GPS units require that you acknowledge > a limit to liability whenever the unit turns on! > > > This not only annoys me philosophically (how many other consumer goods will soon > require a formal limit to liability release be approved before they will work????), > but also means the unit won't work "automatically" unless I touch the control pad. > > > Does anyone know of a good GPS unit that does **not** require constant acknowledgment > that I'm still supposed to watch where I'm driving and that it's not the GPS's fault > if I drive into a tree? > > I have a TomTom GO 910. It will only ask you to agree to the ToS after you flash the firmware or take it out of the box. When I turn it on, it goes right to the 3D map and tries to lock in on its current position. It would be great for what you want to do, especially if you can tie it into an output that is only on when the key is in ACC or RUN. Just lock it in the "on" position and remove the battery. That way, it turns on when you start the car and turns off when you shut it off. If you don't make any mods to it, you will have to turn it on/off manually. Chad -- Skype: cvogelsong AIM: CMPENGpsu Yahoo: psudilbert Gizmo: psudilbert SIP: 17471012570@proxy01.sipphone.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 04:39:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 13996 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 21:39:47 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 21:39:47 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 13926 invoked by uid 104); 1 Apr 2008 21:39:42 -0700 Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (HELO QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.96) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:39:42 -0700 Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8LPy1Z0061GXsucA90ZB00; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:38:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.200] ([68.34.250.63]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8Ufc1Z0011NpEpg8T00000; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:39:37 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uZ0J_r9_wz8A:10 a=xe8BsctaAAAA:8 a=n-3L6H7socEQQZ-RwV8A:9 a=pfsx1-HaNoq3442FkIF_-n_FxogA:4 a=xfNXT5P86egA:10 Message-ID: <47F30E1D.3010700@op.net> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:39:57 -0400 From: jeff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List References: <20080402023754.0be94f86@macserver.v-system.net> In-Reply-To: <20080402023754.0be94f86@macserver.v-system.net> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Comcast, BitTorrent Work Toward Net Neutrality X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Brian Vagnoni wrote: > Long story short Comast more or less isn't going to interfere with "Bit Torrent" anymore...... Correct. They're going to interfere with EVERYTHING equally. -=-=- ... Jeff for President - a vacuum tube in every stereo * TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 11:14:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 11275 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 04:14:39 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 04:14:39 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 11247 invoked by uid 104); 2 Apr 2008 04:14:33 -0700 Received: from macserver.v-system.net (HELO macserver.v-system.net) (75.147.85.146) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:14:33 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL: 0.226,BAYES_00: -1.665,HTML_40_50: 0.496, HTML_MESSAGE: 0.001,CUSTOM_RULE_SUBJECT: ALLOW,TOTAL_SCORE: -0.942 X-Spam-Level: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by macserver.v-system.net for plug@lists.phillylinux.org; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:14:25 -0400 To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" From: "Brian Vagnoni" In-Reply-To: 47F30E1D.3010700@op.net Message-ID: <20080402111425.96c63bb3@macserver.v-system.net> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:14:25 -0400 X-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.1.13) Gecko/20080311 Firefox/2.0.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [PLUG] Comcast, BitTorrent Work Toward Net Neutrality X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1944166495==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1944166495== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------d410a0eac3ae8c0a8a4176a9bdadb042" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -------------d410a0eac3ae8c0a8a4176a9bdadb042 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable at 100mb/sec too yeehaw by the end of the year!!!! move along little bit= s. Brian Vagnoni =20 PGP Digital Fingerprint F076 6EEE 06E5 BEEF EBBD BD36 F29E 850D FC32 3955 =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =20 From: jeff [mailto:jeffv@op.net] To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List [mailto:plug@lists.p= hillylinux.org] Sent: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:39:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [PLUG] Comcast, BitTorrent Work Toward Net Neutrality Brian Vagnoni wrote: > Long story short Comast more or less isn't going to interfere with= "Bit Torrent" anymore...... =20 Correct. They're going to interfere with EVERYTHING equally. =20 =20 -=3D-=3D- ... 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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Comcast, BitTorrent Work Toward Net Ne= utrality

Brian Vagnoni wrote:
> Long story short Comast more or less isn't going to interfere wit= h "Bit Torrent" anymore......

Correct.
They're going to interfere with EVERYTHING equally.


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-------------d410a0eac3ae8c0a8a4176a9bdadb042-- --===============1944166495== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --===============1944166495==-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 13:30:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 2914 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 06:30:56 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 06:30:56 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 2882 invoked by uid 104); 2 Apr 2008 06:30:52 -0700 Received: from mx0.hxti.com (HELO mx0.hxti.com) (216.203.4.133) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:30:52 -0700 Received: from mx0.hxti.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx0.hxti.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32DUa8g010559 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:30:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:30:35 -0400 From: "Mark Baker" To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200804012013.45301.MailList@NerdWorld.org> x-scalix-Hops: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.9 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.9 (2007-02-13) on mx0.hxti.com Subject: Re: [PLUG] OT: GPS Recommendation Wanted X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Hi Casey, You may want to take a look at this article about GPS thefts in the city. GPS thefts have gone through the roof, especially in the Philadelphia area. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/gear/2007-09-18-gps-thefts-rise_N.htm Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Casey Bralla [mailto:MailList@NerdWorld.org] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:14 PM > To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List > Subject: [PLUG] OT: GPS Recommendation Wanted > > I am planning on getting a GPS unit for my car. I want to semi-permanently mount it on > the dash, hard wiring the power supply into the vehicle. (In other words, I'll hard > wire around the cigarette lighter plug, and leave the plug into the GPS unit intact.) > > My desire is to have the GPS turn on automatically when I start the car (my cigarette > lighter outlet shuts off with the car). > > However, I have noticed one huge problem: Many GPS units require that you acknowledge > a limit to liability whenever the unit turns on! > > > This not only annoys me philosophically (how many other consumer goods will soon > require a formal limit to liability release be approved before they will work????), > but also means the unit won't work "automatically" unless I touch the control pad. > > > Does anyone know of a good GPS unit that does **not** require constant acknowledgment > that I'm still supposed to watch where I'm driving and that it's not the GPS's fault > if I drive into a tree? > > -- > > > Casey Bralla > Chief Nerd in Residence > The NerdWorld Organisation > _____________________________________________________________________ > ______ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 13:37:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 4107 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 06:37:43 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 06:37:43 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 4064 invoked by uid 104); 2 Apr 2008 06:37:39 -0700 Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (HELO QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.32) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:37:38 -0700 Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8dNy1Z0051HzFnQ5301Z00; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:36:15 +0000 Received: from smailcenter58.comcast.net ([204.127.205.158]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8ddY1Z0053RaaN43a00000; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:37:32 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uZ0J_r9_wz8A:10 a=wLy0TNF/Wc3Jp+8b5rIg0A==:17 a=8ZMRdskmAAAA:8 a=nTn-uSiv2GEKBihT5PgA:9 a=L8J0XKDgyUabc_8CWL1VKndG-VcA:4 a=_3nJN2eeWHAA:10 a=OQVjTaRMAAAA:8 a=XyiK6ut4AAAA:8 a=WjlFbepKU6ehby_g2ToA:9 a=2himO7Yr0tXdK9ZloukA:7 a=T5X3PDyg1CG_9dINsCSUYLQpjE0A:4 a=gMNmtb7GnNcA:10 a=iYlkOlhu7C0A:10 Received: from [76.124.66.164] by smailcenter58.comcast.net; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:37:31 +0000 From: mdecheser@comcast.net To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:37:31 +0000 Message-Id: <040220081337.24058.47F38C1B00079A7E00005DFA22058863609D0A9C0A080C0A0B03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWRlY2hlc2VyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24058_1207143451_0" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Comcast, BitTorrent Work Toward Net Neutrality X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Errors-To: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24058_1207143451_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ... in exchange for simply monitoring your entire family: http://gizmodo.com/369379/comcast-wants-to-put-a-camera-in-your-cable-box (dons tinfoil hat) > > Long story short Comast more or less isn't going to interfere with "Bit > Torrent" anymore...... > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24058_1207143451_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: "Brian Vagnoni" To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: [PLUG] Comcast, BitTorrent Work Toward Net Neutrality Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 02:41:41 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24058_1207143451_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24058_1207143451_1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------4d2381340ee1de9ed437ba6116cc2c7e" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -------------4d2381340ee1de9ed437ba6116cc2c7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No this is not an April Fool; unless Ziff Davis is up to it. =20 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2279615,00.asp =20 Long story short Comast more or less isn't going to interfere with "Bi= t Torrent" anymore...... Brian Vagnoni =20 PGP Digital Fingerprint F076 6EEE 06E5 BEEF EBBD BD36 F29E 850D FC32 3955 -------------4d2381340ee1de9ed437ba6116cc2c7e Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No this is not an April Fool; unless Ziff Davis is up to it.

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F076 6EEE 06E5 BEEF EBBD BD36 F29E 850D FC32 3955 -------------4d2381340ee1de9ed437ba6116cc2c7e-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24058_1207143451_1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24058_1207143451_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24058_1207143451_0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24058_1207143451_0-- From plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org Wed Apr 02 19:01:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: historian@netisland.net Received: (qmail 29833 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 12:01:52 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO entropia.netisland.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 12:01:52 -0700 Return-Path: Delivered-To: alias-plug@lists.phillylinux.org Received: (qmail 29793 invoked by uid 104); 2 Apr 2008 12:01:46 -0700 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.170) by entropia.netisland.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:01:46 -0700 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so3113253wfg.1 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.161.3 with SMTP id n3mr6373887wfo.32.1207162891742; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.9.2 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <741eae780804021201t3c8d8815h11e2a9192aa3f517@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:01:31 -0400 From: TuskenTower To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <27c114eb0804011737h714cf683p457494de36e1671e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080401192534.GV53408@stow.eclipsed.net> <47F29146.2060601@gmail.com> <20080401230010.GX53408@stow.eclipsed.net> <27c114eb0804011737h714cf683p457494de36e1671e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linux on Iphone X-BeenThere: plug@lists.phillylinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Id: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: ,