W. Chris Shank on Thu, 23 May 2002 16:44:26 -0400


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Re: [PLUG] AS/400 update


Wow! - thanks for the info.

it's a black box, manufactured sept/oct 98, so it's not very old. it is
(well, was) fully functional, except that the OS/400 OS is not properly
licensed, since the license went to the new AS/400. It has 6 memory chips,
for a total of (i think) 196M. I am not really that keen on learning the
OS/400, so I was planning to just strip out the SCSI devices I could
possibly salvage (which i did, but it should still work - assuming I
remember how to put it all back together). 

I really need a decent backup solution (crossing my fingers is bound to fail
sooner or later) and I would like to have a disk raid for video capture. i'm
even contemplating was to utilize the SCA chassis - since it can be removed
from the box. Do you think I could find the pin-outs for the power in to
that unit? I haven't had any luck finding tech specs on it.

it has a number of PCI cards and at least one card with some monsterous
conector (perhaps the one you were talking about?). The SCSI cable connects
to a PCI card, but this card has IBM silkscreening and almost no
electronics, so I doubt it's a h/w raid. There is a PCI card with a 9 pin
serial connection and a small slot connector and another PCI card with 2 of
the same slot connectors, but no 9 pin serial. I assumed that one of these
was for the model or a terminal. It also has a PCI fast ethernet card, which
looks relatively generic.

as it stands, I removed the disks and the SCA chassis, the Tape and CDROM.
This was so that I could lookup the part info on each of these components.

also -this thingis HUGE and pretty much takes up any leftover floor space i
have in my office. now if i were to get it functional, i could move it under
a desk (assuming i get it on casters) - but i don't know if it's worth it.
it looks like a pretty good electricity hog. and if i can only run linux in
a virtual environment - shared from a measly 196M ram pool... idon't think
it's going to be worth it.

however, if i could linux to boot natively.... what are the chances of that?
Do you know if this unit is CISC or RISC? Is there anyway to salvage the
RISC CPU or RAM?

Thanks!


>>  1. AS/400 update (W. Chris Shank)
> 
> I might be able to help you.  I have 20+years on AS400, and know lots
> of  others.  In fact, a friend of mine in K of P got 3 free AS400's and
> was  looking to scavenge a complete AS/400 by merging the three, but he
> was a  little gun-shy of mucking with the hardware internally.
> 
> First question is - is yours a white box or a black box?
> 
> If a white box, it is so old, that it probably is of little use to
> anybody.
> 
> With a black box, you will need the latest OS to run LINUX in a
> partition.   Note that on the older boxes, you needed one processor to
> run OS400, then a  second processor to run LINUX.  ( This was just
> changed on the latest HW,  where LINUX runs on part of a processor.) 
> The dual processor is not finding  and inserting chips, but are both
> put on a "processor feature card" specific  to the number of chips.
> 
> Even then, there are free native HTTP & APACHE servers that run
> natively on  OS400 etc. so if that is what you want to do, then options
> are still available  to making it a productive box.
> 
> If the LINUX constraint discourages you, we can still find a home for
> this  box.
> 
> 
> Yes, you will be seeing lots of SCSI (probably 50-pin SCSI).  Some of
> it is  specific to the front panel - the back arrays are pretty
> generic.  (Specific  Tape Units only fit in certain positions in the
> front.)
> 
> You will also see some older larger SPD 14-inch slots that take
> dual-function  Comm cards in the back.  These slots are being phased
> out.
> 
> My guy Felix Cartegena of Norristown/K of P can probably get you the
> disk from  his box(s).  Maybe some memory too.
> 
> One book of mine you will want is the "System Handbook" which shows the
> config  layouts, rules for populating drives, etc.   You will want one
> that has your  older model in it, so the one on the IBM web site may
> not have your older box. You can probably search for this at
> http://www.as400.ibm.com
> 
> BCC is a vendor doing some great deals on new drives.  (Never used them
> but  prices for BCC and IBM drives has dropped to 40% of January's
> prices.)  Older  drives are also available in the second hand market
> (most 2nd hand vendors for  AS400 are located in FL GA and AL)
> 
> The latest deal from BCC = = = 
> · Exchange one (1) IBM 17GB disk for one (1) BCC 35GB 10K disk · IBM FC
> 4318,  6818, and 6718 are eligible. · All you pay is installation,
> maintenance,  shipping, and taxes. · Leased machines are not eligible.
> · BCC reserves the  right to cancel this promotion at any time.
> · Orders must be received by May 31, 2002
> <http://www.bcctech.com/promotions/10kswap.htm>
> FREE Palm Pilot Contest -
> <http://www.bcctech.com/promotions/pr.htm>
> David Sebastian
> 800.598.9910 - 949.453.7600 - 949.453.7601 fax
> 
> You can always reach me off-line at mailto:jvoris@axs2000.net.  I will
> send  you info on Felix.  I am actually IBM Certified in config.ing
> AS400s, but only  on the boxes that are about 1-2 years old, not the
> older stuff.  Talk to me  off line.
> 
> ............... John Voris ...............
>          IBM Certified Specialist,
>    iSeries Technical Solutions Designer
>          mailto:jvoris@axs2000.net
> 
> 
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