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Today's Topics:

1. OT: SRE @ Google (Cosmin Nicolaescu)
2. Re: Verizon blacklist? (Eugene Smiley)
3. Re: Linux-Mac connections (Eugene Smiley)
4. Re: OT: SRE @ Google (Toby DiPasquale)
5. OT: domains/registrars (Ronald Mansolino)
6. Re: OT: SRE @ Google (Joshua Karstendick)
7. Re: OT: domains/registrars (gyoza@comcast.net)
8. Re: OT: SRE @ Google (John Von Essen)
9. Re: OT: domains/registrars (Doug Crompton)
10. Re: Verizon blacklist? (George A. Theall)



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Subject:
[PLUG] OT: SRE @ Google
From:
Cosmin Nicolaescu <cos@camelot.homelinux.com>
Date:
Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:08:46 -0400 (EDT)
To:
plug@lists.phillylinux.org

To:
plug@lists.phillylinux.org


------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- From: "Jeff Polo" <jpolo@google.com> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

The group I'm supporting is Google.com Engineering (a.k.a. Site
Reliability Engineering, or SRE) This multi-talented group of engineers
all have some mix of Linux/Unix systems administration experience, solid
scripting/coding skills, and a firm understanding of networking.  They are
responsible for ensuring the quality, speed, and uptime of Google's
services and tools and managing the production systems and network they
run on.  From code-level troubleshooting of traffic anomalies to
maintenance of our most cutting edge services; from monitoring and alerts
to building new automation
infrastructure, our SRE engineers are in the thick of everything related
to keeping Google.com running at peak.

The guy is interestred in full-time positions, so just email him with a
resume if you'd like to.

-Cos




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Subject:
Re: [PLUG] Verizon blacklist?
From:
Eugene Smiley <eug+plug@esmiley.net>
Date:
Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:33:37 -0400
To:
Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>


To:
Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>



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George A. Theall wrote:


On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 11:40:02AM -0400, gyoza@comcast.net wrote:



All SPF would do is ensure that the spam is
sent from an approved server!


Exactly. And thus, getting back to my original message, the notion
of using SPF for whitelisting addresses is foolish if that's what
AOL and Earthlink are truly doing.



<I don't recall details of how AOL uses their whitelist, but it's been disussed in general terms on the SPF mailinglist (which I've been off of for6 months or so) http://postmaster.aol.com/tools/dynamic_guidelines.html.>

How would a whitelist be of any use if you weren't sure that the MAIL
FROM hasn't been faked? I could get around the whitelist by finding a
message that gets through and then use that address in the MAIL FROM
of all my outgoing spam to that service until it gets blocked and I
start all over again. Mean while Aunt Sally is wondering why all
these people are flaming her for spam she didn't send and asking you
why.

Hardly foolish.

The best visual and written explanation can be found at:
http://spf.pobox.com/2dimensions.html
http://spf.pobox.com/for-mit-spam-conference.html

It shows how SPF is simply one piece of an evolving puzzle.

For AOL, Earthlink, Google, etc it makes sense to publish SPF to
protect their Trademarks. It hurts their reputation when their domain
name is forged. It makes sense for them to check SPF records because
it's possible to reduce the load on their mail infrastructure. It's
sound business either way.




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Subject:
Re: [PLUG] Linux-Mac connections
From:
Eugene Smiley <eug+plug@esmiley.net>
Date:
Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:49:48 -0400
To:
art.alexion@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>


To:
art.alexion@verizon.net, Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>



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Art Alexion wrote:



That is what I thought also. What was most puzzling was the fact
that the windows client was working. Then I noticed that the
Windows client was also exhibiting the same behavior. I fixed it
by uninstalling dhcp3-server, rebooting (because uninstalling
didn't seem to help) and going back to relying on hard coded
internal IP addresses. I think the problem was with dhcpd.conf,
but I couldn't figure out what it was.



Actually, I read something recently that may apply. IIRC, DHCPD removes resolve.conf and replaces it with a link to it's own file elsewhere. Unless you edit the new file it won't resolve properly.




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Subject:
Re: [PLUG] OT: SRE @ Google
From:
Toby DiPasquale <toby@cbcg.net>
Date:
Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:37:14 -0400
To:
Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>


To:
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On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 07:08:46PM -0400, Cosmin Nicolaescu wrote:


------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
From:    "Jeff Polo" <jpolo@google.com>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The group I'm supporting is Google.com Engineering (a.k.a. Site
Reliability Engineering, or SRE) This multi-talented group of engineers
all have some mix of Linux/Unix systems administration experience, solid
scripting/coding skills, and a firm understanding of networking.  They are
responsible for ensuring the quality, speed, and uptime of Google's
services and tools and managing the production systems and network they
run on.  From code-level troubleshooting of traffic anomalies to
maintenance of our most cutting edge services; from monitoring and alerts
to building new automation
infrastructure, our SRE engineers are in the thick of everything related
to keeping Google.com running at peak.

The guy is interestred in full-time positions, so just email him with a
resume if you'd like to.




Might want to check out the situation there; I've heard from some people on the West Coast that they pay very poorly for this type of position (e.g. $35K for sysadmin around SF).

-- T




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Subject:
[PLUG] OT: domains/registrars
From:
Ronald Mansolino <rmsolino@netaxs.com>
Date:
Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:08:11 -0400
To:
plug@lists.phillylinux.org

To:
plug@lists.phillylinux.org


I have a handful of domains coming up for renewal in the next few months
and I really can't afford to pay verisign a premium fee. So I'm looking for recommendations on someone clueful to renew/transfer them to.








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Subject:
Re: [PLUG] OT: SRE @ Google
From:
Joshua Karstendick <joshdick@gmail.com>
Date:
Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:11:56 -0400
To:
Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>


To:
Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>



Who needs money when you're working for the almightly Google? You're supposed to simply love the work and the free food. And just try the Kool-Aid!</sarcasm>


On 8/30/05, *Toby DiPasquale* <toby@cbcg.net <mailto:toby@cbcg.net>> wrote:

    On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 07:08:46PM -0400, Cosmin Nicolaescu wrote:
    > ------------------------- Original Message
    ----------------------------
    > From:    "Jeff Polo" < jpolo@google.com <mailto:jpolo@google.com>>
    >
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > The group I'm supporting is Google.com <http://Google.com>
    Engineering (a.k.a. Site
    > Reliability Engineering, or SRE) This multi-talented group of
    engineers
    > all have some mix of Linux/Unix systems administration
    experience, solid
    > scripting/coding skills, and a firm understanding of
    networking.  They are
    > responsible for ensuring the quality, speed, and uptime of Google's
    > services and tools and managing the production systems and
    network they
    > run on.  From code-level troubleshooting of traffic anomalies to
    > maintenance of our most cutting edge services; from monitoring
    and alerts
    > to building new automation
    > infrastructure, our SRE engineers are in the thick of everything
    related
    > to keeping Google.com <http://Google.com> running at peak.
    >
    > The guy is interestred in full-time positions, so just email him
    with a
    > resume if you'd like to.
    >

    Might want to check out the situation there; I've heard from some
    people
    on the West Coast that they pay very poorly for this type of position
    (e.g. $35K for sysadmin around SF).

-- T
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Subject:
Re: [PLUG] OT: domains/registrars
From:
gyoza@comcast.net
Date:
Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:22:48 -0400
To:
Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>


To:
Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>



Ronald Mansolino wrote:



I have a handful of domains coming up for renewal in the next few months
and I really can't afford to pay verisign a premium fee. So I'm looking for recommendations on someone clueful to renew/transfer them to.






I've always used GoDaddy.




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Subject:
Re: [PLUG] OT: SRE @ Google
From:
John Von Essen <john@essenz.com>
Date:
Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:28:34 -0400
To:
"Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>


To:
"Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>



Tony,

When the Google guy posted this on the list a month or so a go, I immediately followed-up with a remark about google offering far below average salaries. His response was a very canned answer - and of course he didn't acknowledge if Google pays competitive wages.

So when you say $35k, I'm not suprized at all.

Screw google. 5 years from now Microsoft will have swallowed up some of their top disgruntled engineers, and voila, tables are turned. Just like AMD did against Intel in the late 90's.

-john




On Aug 30, 2005, at 9:37 PM, Toby DiPasquale wrote:

On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 07:08:46PM -0400, Cosmin Nicolaescu wrote:

------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
From: "Jeff Polo" <jpolo@google.com>
---------------------------------------------------------------------- -


The group I'm supporting is Google.com Engineering (a.k.a. Site
Reliability Engineering, or SRE) This multi-talented group of engineers
all have some mix of Linux/Unix systems administration experience, solid
scripting/coding skills, and a firm understanding of networking. They are
responsible for ensuring the quality, speed, and uptime of Google's
services and tools and managing the production systems and network they
run on. From code-level troubleshooting of traffic anomalies to
maintenance of our most cutting edge services; from monitoring and alerts
to building new automation
infrastructure, our SRE engineers are in the thick of everything related
to keeping Google.com running at peak.


The guy is interestred in full-time positions, so just email him with a
resume if you'd like to.



Might want to check out the situation there; I've heard from some people
on the West Coast that they pay very poorly for this type of position
(e.g. $35K for sysadmin around SF).


-- T
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Subject:
Re: [PLUG] OT: domains/registrars
From:
Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com>
Date:
Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:45:36 -0400 (EDT)
To:
"Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>


To:
"Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>



I have about 12 with GoDaddy that I nameserve. It is easy to maintain, I have no complaints and the price is right. Why anyone would pay verisigns fees I don't know. You get much more for less with GoDaddy. It is $10/year or less.

Doug



Ronald Mansolino wrote:



I have a handful of domains coming up for renewal in the next few months
and I really can't afford to pay verisign a premium fee. So I'm looking
for recommendations on someone clueful to renew/transfer them to.




**************************** * Doug Crompton * * Richboro, PA 18954 * * 215-431-6307 * * * * doug@crompton.com * * http://www.crompton.com * ****************************






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Subject:
Re: [PLUG] Verizon blacklist?
From:
"George A. Theall" <theall@tifaware.com>
Date:
Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:48:39 -0400
To:
"Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>


To:
"Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>



On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 07:33:37PM -0400, Eugene Smiley wrote:


George A. Theall wrote:


Exactly. And thus, getting back to my original message, the notion
of using SPF for whitelisting addresses is foolish if that's what
AOL and Earthlink are truly doing.


...


How would a whitelist be of any use if you weren't sure that the MAIL
FROM hasn't been faked?



Let me turn that around... What good are such whitelists when spammers are on one hand publishing SPF records and on the other injecting mail through means that SPF records claim are acceptable?



For AOL, Earthlink, Google, etc it makes sense to publish SPF to
protect their Trademarks. It hurts their reputation when their domain
name is forged. It makes sense for them to check SPF records because
it's possible to reduce the load on their mail infrastructure. It's
sound business either way.



If only things were so black and white.

George


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Subject: [PLUG] OT: domains/registrars From: Ronald Mansolino <rmsolino@netaxs.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:08:11 -0400 To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org

To:
plug@lists.phillylinux.org


I have a handful of domains coming up for renewal in the next few months
and I really can't afford to pay verisign a premium fee. So I'm looking for recommendations on someone clueful to renew/transfer them to.



Try Godaddy.com for cheap renewal


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