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Re: [PLUG] Job Opportunity (Fulltime/Perm): Linux Administrator (Red hat) - Center City Philadelphia (Douglas Muth) 

I think we're supposed to call him this afternoon.
On 5/29/2013 1:36 PM, Ed Roper wrote:

Marc, you do realize that this is a public mailing list 
and you just gave your number out to X number of 
strangers, right? Just checking..

*From:*plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org 
[mailto:plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org] *On Behalf Of 
*Marc Jasner

*Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:35 PM
*To:* Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List

*Subject:* Re: [PLUG] Job Opportunity (Fulltime/Perm): 
Linux Administrator (Red hat) - Center City Philadelphia 
(Douglas Muth)

My concerns weren't so much about the details of the 
position as opposed to my qualifications for the position.

I'd be more than happy to talk to you about my experience 
and knowledge and how it relates to any potential 
positions you might have. I will be available anytime 
including all afternoon today. Please feel free to call me 
at any point at 215-870-6290. If you'd rather I call you 
just suggest a time.

Thank you for your time
Marc Jasner


On May 29, 2013 12:56 PM, "Kintner, Andrew (03720)" 
<andrew.kintner@rht.com <mailto:andrew.kintner@rht.com>> 
wrote:

As former developer I have shared some of your sentiments. 
You want to know all the details to evaluate and say 
yes/no to without having to talk to a recruiter.

You see the vague post this from recruiters all the time 
for several reasons.

1. I might have more than one job that matches your skill 
set/location/seniority than just the one I'm advertising. 
It's best to have a phone conversation to discuss that. It 
only takes 5 minutes. If it's not a fit, but I know what 
your skill set/preferences are, the next time a job comes 
along that matches I know who to call first. If you just 
say no to one specific post, I won't know anything about 
you to follow up with the job you really want.

2. My client information is valuable to me. If I give 
every detail out in public forum, another recruiter only 
has to connect a few dots to go poach them from me.

3. Recruiters generally have so many people to contact 
that it's most efficient to put out a quick invitation out 
there. Here's the core skill set, are you interested/in 
the market? Let's have a chat so I can learn more about you.

Thanks,
Andrew Kintner
215-568-1513 <tel:215-568-1513>

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Today's Topics:


   1. Job Opportuinty (Fulltime/Perm): Linux Administrator 
(Redhat)

      - Center City Philadelphia (Kintner, Andrew (03720))
   2. Re: Job Opportuinty (Fulltime/Perm): Linux Administrator
      (Redhat) - Center City Philadelphia (Marc Jasner)
   3. Re: Job Opportuinty (Fulltime/Perm): Linux Administrator
      (Redhat) - Center City Philadelphia (Douglas Muth)


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Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:06:40 +0000

From: "Kintner, Andrew (03720)" <andrew.kintner@rht.com 
<mailto:andrew.kintner@rht.com>>
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Subject: [PLUG] Job Opportuinty (Fulltime/Perm): Linux 
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        (Redhat) - Center City Philadelphia
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I have full time, permanent placement opportunity for a 
Linux Administrator (Redhat preferred) in Center City 
Philadelphia. Interviews will be scheduled quickly for 
qualified applicants.

Please contact me at 215.568.1513 <tel:215.568.1513> / 
send a resume to andrew.kintner@rht.com 
<mailto:andrew.kintner@rht.com><mailto:andrew.kintner@rht.com 
<mailto:andrew.kintner@rht.com>> for details.

Thanks,

Andrew Kintner
Recruiting Manager

215-568-1513 ext. 65565 
<tel:215-568-1513%20ext.%2065565> - Office
Andrew.Kintner@rht.com 
<mailto:Andrew.Kintner@rht.com><mailto:Edward.markert@rht.com 
<mailto:Edward.markert@rht.com>>

[LinkedIn]<http://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewkintner>[Twitter]<https://twitter.com/AK_RHT>


Robert Half Technology | 1735 Market Street | 25th Floor | 
Philadelphia | PA  | rht.com <http://rht.com>

Robert Half International again was ranked number one in 
our industry on 
FORTUNE(r)<http://www.rhi.com/External_Sites/content/RHI/rhi-us/Shared/downloads/releases/Fortune_AMA_2008.pdf> 
magazine's list of "America's Most Admired Companies." 
(FORTUNE, March 4, 2010)

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Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:15:10 -0400

From: Marc Jasner <jazzman@exdomain.org 
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To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List"

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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Job Opportuinty (Fulltime/Perm): Linux
        Administrator (Redhat) - Center City Philadelphia
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Andrew,


Thank you for your email, however my experience is as a 
developer and not as an admin. Please keep me in mind for 
any such positions though.

Thank you,
Marc Jasner

On May 29, 2013 11:06 AM, "Kintner, Andrew (03720)" 
<andrew.kintner@rht.com <mailto:andrew.kintner@rht.com>>

wrote:


>  I have full time, permanent placement opportunity for a 
Linux
> Administrator (Redhat preferred) in Center City 
Philadelphia.
> Interviews will be scheduled quickly for qualified 
applicants.****

>
> ** **
>

> Please contact me at 215.568.1513 <tel:215.568.1513> / 
send a resume to
> andrew.kintner@rht.com <mailto:andrew.kintner@rht.com> 
for details. ****

>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,****
>
> ** **
>
> *Andrew Kintner*
>
> *Recruiting Manager*
>

> 215-568-1513 ext. 65565 
<tel:215-568-1513%20ext.%2065565> ? Office****

>

> Andrew.Kintner@rht.com <mailto:Andrew.Kintner@rht.com> 
<Edward.markert@rht.com <mailto:Edward.markert@rht.com>> ****

>

> [image: LinkedIn] 
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewkintner>[image:

> Twitter] <https://twitter.com/AK_RHT>****
>
> ** **
>
> *Robert Half Technology* | 1735 Market Street | 25th Floor |
> Philadelphia
> | PA  | rht.com <http://rht.com>****
>
> ** **
>

> Robert Half International again was ranked number one in 
our industry

> on

> 
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> ownloads/releases/Fortune_AMA_2008.pdf>magazine?s list 
of ?America?s

> Most Admired Companies.? (FORTUNE, March 4,
> 2010)****
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:32:36 -0400

From: Douglas Muth <doug.muth@gmail.com 
<mailto:doug.muth@gmail.com>>

To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List"

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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Job Opportuinty (Fulltime/Perm): Linux
        Administrator (Redhat) - Center City Philadelphia
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> I have full time, permanent placement opportunity for a 
Linux
> Administrator (Redhat preferred) in Center City 
Philadelphia.
> Interviews will be scheduled quickly for qualified 
applicants.

>


Uh... that's... vague.


What kind of company is it?  Startup?  Mid-size?  Fortune 
500?  If it's a startup, do they have a revenue stream? 
 What industry is it?  B2B?  B2C?
 Ecommerce? Consumer goods? Consulting? Medical? Are there 
other responsibilities that come with the position, such 
as desktop support?  Are there any additional technical 
requirements, such as experience with a specific cloud 
platform or backup solution?  Does the company offer any 
benefits that differentiate itself from competitors such 
as 401(k) or the ability to work remotely?

Us engineers aren't all alike.  We're not replaceable cogs 
that can be just dropped into any position.  Companies may 
want the right person for a given position, but it also 
works the other way: we're all looking for the right employer.

I don't mean to pick on the poster specifically, but I see 
vague job postings like this from recruiters *all the 
time*.  It is frustrating for us who are looking to change 
jobs because we get no useful information to make any kind 
of decision on, and it's frustrating for the client 
company because they get job applicants that are spread 
all over the spectrum and have a more difficult time 
finding someone who is a good fit for the position.

/rant

-- Doug


P.S. Feel free to disagree with any or all of what I just 
wrote.  I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.

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