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Re: [PLUG] Job Opportunity (Fulltime/Perm): Linux Administrator (Red hat) - Center City Philadelphia (Douglas Muth) 

I think we're supposed to call him this afternoon.
On 5/29/2013 1:36 PM, Ed Roper wrote:
Marc, you do realize that this is a public mailing list and you just gave your number out to X number of strangers, right? Just checking..
*From:*plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org [mailto:plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org] *On Behalf Of *Marc Jasner 
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:35 PM
*To:* Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List
*Subject:* Re: [PLUG] Job Opportunity (Fulltime/Perm): Linux Administrator (Red hat) - Center City Philadelphia (Douglas Muth)
My concerns weren't so much about the details of the position as opposed to my qualifications for the position.
I'd be more than happy to talk to you about my experience and knowledge and how it relates to any potential positions you might have. I will be available anytime including all afternoon today. Please feel free to call me at any point at 215-870-6290. If you'd rather I call you just suggest a time. 

Thank you for your time
Marc Jasner
On May 29, 2013 12:56 PM, "Kintner, Andrew (03720)" <andrew.kintner@rht.com <mailto:andrew.kintner@rht.com>> wrote:
As former developer I have shared some of your sentiments. You want to know all the details to evaluate and say yes/no to without having to talk to a recruiter.
You see the vague post this from recruiters all the time for several reasons.
1. I might have more than one job that matches your skill set/location/seniority than just the one I'm advertising. It's best to have a phone conversation to discuss that. It only takes 5 minutes. If it's not a fit, but I know what your skill set/preferences are, the next time a job comes along that matches I know who to call first. If you just say no to one specific post, I won't know anything about you to follow up with the job you really want.
2. My client information is valuable to me. If I give every detail out in public forum, another recruiter only has to connect a few dots to go poach them from me.
3. Recruiters generally have so many people to contact that it's most efficient to put out a quick invitation out there. Here's the core skill set, are you interested/in the market? Let's have a chat so I can learn more about you. 

Thanks,
Andrew Kintner
215-568-1513 <tel:215-568-1513>

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Today's Topics:
1. Job Opportuinty (Fulltime/Perm): Linux Administrator (Redhat) 
      - Center City Philadelphia (Kintner, Andrew (03720))
   2. Re: Job Opportuinty (Fulltime/Perm): Linux Administrator
      (Redhat) - Center City Philadelphia (Marc Jasner)
   3. Re: Job Opportuinty (Fulltime/Perm): Linux Administrator
      (Redhat) - Center City Philadelphia (Douglas Muth)


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From: "Kintner, Andrew (03720)" <andrew.kintner@rht.com <mailto:andrew.kintner@rht.com>> To: "'plug@lists.phillylinux.org <mailto:plug@lists.phillylinux.org>'" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org <mailto:plug@lists.phillylinux.org>> Subject: [PLUG] Job Opportuinty (Fulltime/Perm): Linux Administrator 
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I have full time, permanent placement opportunity for a Linux Administrator (Redhat preferred) in Center City Philadelphia. Interviews will be scheduled quickly for qualified applicants.
Please contact me at 215.568.1513 <tel:215.568.1513> / send a resume to andrew.kintner@rht.com <mailto:andrew.kintner@rht.com><mailto:andrew.kintner@rht.com <mailto:andrew.kintner@rht.com>> for details. 

Thanks,

Andrew Kintner
Recruiting Manager
215-568-1513 ext. 65565 <tel:215-568-1513%20ext.%2065565> - Office Andrew.Kintner@rht.com <mailto:Andrew.Kintner@rht.com><mailto:Edward.markert@rht.com <mailto:Edward.markert@rht.com>> 
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:15:10 -0400
From: Marc Jasner <jazzman@exdomain.org <mailto:jazzman@exdomain.org>> 
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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Job Opportuinty (Fulltime/Perm): Linux
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Andrew,
Thank you for your email, however my experience is as a developer and not as an admin. Please keep me in mind for any such positions though. 

Thank you,
Marc Jasner
On May 29, 2013 11:06 AM, "Kintner, Andrew (03720)" <andrew.kintner@rht.com <mailto:andrew.kintner@rht.com>> 
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> I have full time, permanent placement opportunity for a Linux > Administrator (Redhat preferred) in Center City Philadelphia. > Interviews will be scheduled quickly for qualified applicants.**** 
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> Please contact me at 215.568.1513 <tel:215.568.1513> / send a resume to > andrew.kintner@rht.com <mailto:andrew.kintner@rht.com> for details. **** 
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> Thanks,****
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> *Andrew Kintner*
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> *Recruiting Manager*
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> 215-568-1513 ext. 65565 <tel:215-568-1513%20ext.%2065565> ? Office**** 
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> Andrew.Kintner@rht.com <mailto:Andrew.Kintner@rht.com> <Edward.markert@rht.com <mailto:Edward.markert@rht.com>> **** 
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> *Robert Half Technology* | 1735 Market Street | 25th Floor |
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:32:36 -0400
From: Douglas Muth <doug.muth@gmail.com <mailto:doug.muth@gmail.com>> 
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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Job Opportuinty (Fulltime/Perm): Linux
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> I have full time, permanent placement opportunity for a Linux > Administrator (Redhat preferred) in Center City Philadelphia. > Interviews will be scheduled quickly for qualified applicants. 
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Uh... that's... vague.
What kind of company is it? Startup? Mid-size? Fortune 500? If it's a startup, do they have a revenue stream? What industry is it? B2B? B2C? Ecommerce? Consumer goods? Consulting? Medical? Are there other responsibilities that come with the position, such as desktop support? Are there any additional technical requirements, such as experience with a specific cloud platform or backup solution? Does the company offer any benefits that differentiate itself from competitors such as 401(k) or the ability to work remotely?
Us engineers aren't all alike. We're not replaceable cogs that can be just dropped into any position. Companies may want the right person for a given position, but it also works the other way: we're all looking for the right employer.
I don't mean to pick on the poster specifically, but I see vague job postings like this from recruiters *all the time*. It is frustrating for us who are looking to change jobs because we get no useful information to make any kind of decision on, and it's frustrating for the client company because they get job applicants that are spread all over the spectrum and have a more difficult time finding someone who is a good fit for the position. 

/rant

-- Doug
P.S. Feel free to disagree with any or all of what I just wrote. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong. 
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