Re: [PLUG] PLUG W and presos

Anthony Martin

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On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Keith C. Perry <kperry@daotechnologies.com> wrote:

Good point. Linux is a multi-user and its not obvious that that is the case if you're not doing server work.

I like your approach too- very similar to what I was thinking. More focus on the pranking and hardening though.

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On Jun 16, 2015 2:31 PM, Rachel Rawlings <rachelneko@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Keith,
>
> When Paden had us all in his Raspberry Pi, it was a great reminder that Linux as a multi-user system can be fun. Most of us are just alone on our workstations and laptops, or maintaining multiuser servers where stability and uptime are of utmost importance. (Not an xor)
>
> I think we should have a lab meeting that starts with multiuser, single host communication and just general pranking, following the law of /most/ surprise. Then we follow that wirh a session on hardening.
>
> On Jun 16, 2015 10:34 AM, "Keith C. Perry" <kperry@daotechnologies.com> wrote:
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>> I know its a more advanced topic but I wouldn't mind running a network "war game". One of the things I used to do when I was teaching more advanced networking courses was break the class up into groups and tell them to interconnect themselves. Basically go through the similar the process of building networks and peering.
>>
>> Then I tell them to try and gain intelligence (topology, running services, etc) on the other networks including any compromises they could muster.
>>
>> Good times as you can imagine.
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>> Obviously various security methods were learned but the other thing that came out was how hard it was to do a successful compromise when you know how to trap and trace attacks.
>>
>> For new Linux users especially those interested in networking, a workshop like this could help gain confidence in understanding what attacks look like, how to rate them (i.e. prioritize for action) and why things aren't nearly as easy to do as tv and film would have you believe.
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>> Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG W and presos
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>> I never got the impression that any PLUG folks were afraid of the command line, but this would be a great topic for outreach, or for a lightning talk night. Kinda like MJD's "What's in my ~/bin" with a bunch of us showing off a few small tricks and pipelines.
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2015 8:11 AM, "Anthony Martin" <anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Those are the type of topics we were considering teaching stuff that is actually relevant and useful in the workplace and also what life is like working with FLOSS.
>>>
>>> Anthony Martin
>>>
>>> Jr Linux System Administrator
>>>
>>> (M) 609-410-1168
>>> anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Jonathan Simpson <jonathan@jdsnetwork.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> To get ahead of things I'll pitch this today at CoreDial.
>>>>
>>>> I know internally there is probably some interest. Some topics I think
>>>> would be of interest...
>>>>
>>>> Linux from the CLI: to explore the basic CLI commands and beyond-basic
>>>> usage of them. I think a lot of folks used to GUI linux know what ls
>>>> and cp are for, but would possibly have an interest in more advanced
>>>> commands and piping them together. For me learning to string things
>>>> together was what took the CLI from a mundane chore when other things
>>>> were not working to a toolbox that made life easier.
>>>>
>>>> Setting up a LAMP server: This is kind of my goto to get someone
>>>> introduced to command line linux. It touches a lot of pieces and you
>>>> can finish with a usable product, and it's pretty easy to take that
>>>> usable product and continue to install a CMS on top of it to make it
>>>> even more approachable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Anthony Martin
>>>> <anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > One thing I was discussing with Keith was the possibility of having actual
>>>> > classes at North on days other than the normal meetings. Going over beginner
>>>> > topics and some advanced topics. Would anyone be interested in this?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015, 7:40 AM Jonathan Simpson <jonathan@jdsnetwork.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A bash and vim night seem like they could be a good combo topic,
>>>> >> although there is enough content to both to stand alone.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'm probably going to get together a release party/installfest at the
>>>> >> next Ubuntu release this fall.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'm all for the kids stuff. Do we have a place to do it?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Jonathan Simpson
>>>> >> <jsimpson@jdsnetwork.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > A bash and vim night seem like they could be a good combo topic,
>>>> >> > although
>>>> >> > there is enough content to both to stand alone.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I'm probably going to get together a release party/installfest at the
>>>> >> > next
>>>> >> > Ubuntu release this fall.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I'm all for the kids stuff. Do we have a place to do it?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Jun 16, 2015 6:46 AM, "Rich Freeman" <r-plug@thefreemanclan.net>
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 1:00 AM, JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Second, last night we were talking about presentations for future
>>>> >> >> > meetings and some of the things that came up are:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > * Mini install-fests
>>>> >> >> > * Mini t-shooting clinics
>>>> >> >> > * Perhaps some "kid friendly" topics for the summer?
>>>> >> >> > * More beginner topics like:
>>>> >> >> > * bash
>>>> >> >> > * vim
>>>> >> >> > * Maybe some network architecture (Bill!?) thoughts
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Other folks, chime in.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> For North I'd love to see a talk on Ansible or zsh! :)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> If not I guess I can watch the video replays...
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I'm probably not a great source for identifying questions new folks
>>>> >> >> would have, but I don't mind putting together a talk if some want to
>>>> >> >> raise questions. Some low-to-intermediate-level questions that might
>>>> >> >> come up are:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> * Tours of various desktop environments/etc.
>>>> >> >> * A comparison of various package managers/formats (I'd be interested
>>>> >> >> in that one myself - I'm thinking capabilities/major design/etc - what
>>>> >> >> can rpm do that deb can't, etc)
>>>> >> >> * How to build a kernel
>>>> >> >> * X11 concepts (or for that matter Wayland)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> --
>>>> >> >> Rich
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
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