JP Vossen on 22 Aug 2016 08:41:05 -0700

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Thanks for all the thoughts so far!

On 08/21/2016 08:26 PM, Rich Mingin (PLUG) wrote:
> It's mainly just the two different XOR stripes being computed
> independently. It's double the overhead of RAID5, since the XORs are
> completely separated, and should not make use of caches, but the
> overhead of the XOR operation is a very, very small part of the
> operational cost anymore.

That makes sense. I was getting the "write overhead" from random places on the web that I didn't record, but including:
"Double-protection parity-based schemes, such as RAID 6, attempt to address this issue by providing redundancy that allows double-drive failures; as a downside, such schemes suffer from elevated write penalty—the number of times the storage medium must be accessed during a single write operation."

On 08/21/2016 08:48 PM, Lee H. Marzke wrote:
When writing large sequential I/O from Myth,  that is likely to interfere with the VM I/O
as every IO gets 'blended together' into one high bandwidth random I/O stream, which
most storage has difficulty with.   So try out performance of Myth + VM's together
before committing to an architecture.

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about.

The latest FOSScon stressed the importance of putting your important data on ZFS because
of the reliability of real checksums.    ZFS also coalesces write requests in RAM before
writing them to diks for more sequential writes ( the SSD SLOG is just for power failure
protection )

It's XFS on spinning rust right now, no SSDs. I like the idea of ZFS in theory, but I know nothing about how to set it up and manage it and I don't have time to learn it right now.

BTRFS is a "no way in hell" for any number of reasons. Hell, I still use ext3 in places, because it just works.

If you can dedicate hardware to storage,  then FreeNAS is a good low-cost
solution.   so your main Linux server would only need a boot disk.  Ubuntu with
ZFS wont easily run from USB drive, so you lose more storage.

I've used and liked FreeNAS before, in the lab, at work, but in this case breaking out storage won't fly. The big storage is in the same box as the big RAM and's all in the R710. I could maybe run multiple R710s but that completely defeats the purpose of consolidating down to 1 box for electrical and heat reasons. :-)

There is still Windows requirements with vSphere 6,  as the browser needs
flash ,  and that is broken /old everywhere in Linux.  The next
vSphere release, however, may have much less dependence on Windows.  ESXi by itself
can't even do snapshots, the entry level vSphere / vCenter license is
only $500 ( VMware Essentials )

The web GUI I am using it on the ESXi 6.OU2 itself, at https://<ipa>/ui/ and I think it's HTML5. It has the snapshot actions. And I swear I was doing snapshots from the web GUI about a year ago, but I was only a user of that system and I have zero knowledge of the guts. So far in my very limited testing, I have not been able to create local users, but a combination of local SSH and busy-box, then using Workstation to assign the user to a role has worked. I'm pretty sure that could be done locally using the cli tool but I haven't tried yet.

(Update) I've been giving this some thought and I may have a fundamental gap. I think that vSphere is the general management thing, and that it is a fat client on Windows. I *know* there is now a web GUI component and they are moving to and pushing that. But I was thinking that was https://<ipa>/ui/. Am I missing that vSphere is actually client/server, and I only ever see the fat Windows client part, but there is also a Windows server part that, in part, hosts a better web GUI? I seem to recall the some Windows was required for vMotion and other neat tricks (though that makes my head hurt).

100+ Vm's on Workstation,  that has got to be a record.

Only a few run at a time, though I have probably been running 8-10 at once. The server has 32G RAM and at least 8 "cores" (I think 2 physical CPUs, but multicore.) But I also have a lot of snapshots for some VMs, so arguably the number goes up. I wouldn't be surprised if little Rich has me beat though.

Thanks again,
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