Fred Stluka on 2 Mar 2017 14:02:34 -0800 |
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Nice! Thanks! --Fred
Fred Stluka -- mailto:fred@bristle.com -- http://bristle.com/~fred/ Bristle Software, Inc -- http://bristle.com -- Glad to be of service! Open Source: Without walls and fences, we need no Windows or Gates. On 3/2/17 4:08 PM, Walt Mankowski
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This is getting more and more off-topic, but I'd be remiss if I didn't recommend a wonderful short story by Charlie Jane Anders called "The Fermi Paradox Is Our Business Model". It's darkly funny and thought-provoking, and you can read it for free at http://www.tor.com/2010/08/11/the-fermi-paradox-is-our-business-model/ Walt On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 03:49:18PM -0500, Rich Kulawiec wrote:On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:56:10PM -0500, Timothy Jones wrote: An absolutely excellent description of the situation. Worth mentioning in this context are the Fermi paradox and the Drake equation. Enrico Fermi is not only the author of one of my favorite snarky sayings ("That is not even good enough to be wrong") but he was a brilliant physicist who wondered why we were not already looking at proof of intelligent alien life. His reasoning, roughly speaking, was that there are so many Sun-like stars in the galaxy, that many of them have been around for a while, that some of them must have planets suitable for the evolution of life (including intelligent life), that intelligent life will inevitably turn its attention to interstellar travel, and that even at slow speeds, such civilizations would be able to traverse the galaxy in a few million years. Thus his question: "where is everybody?" Many rebuttals to this exist, based both on the premises and on the chain of logic which connects them. But despite all that, it's an interesting question to explore. (Pro tip: buy a round of beers for five astrophysicists in a bar and ask them what they think of the Fermi paradox. You'll get more than adequate entertainment value in return.) (How do you find find five astrophysicists in a bar? That is left as an exercise for the reader. ;) ) Fermi paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox The Drake equation is an attempt to enumerate the probabilistic factors that go into an estimate of the number of civilizations in our galaxy. (Let's pause to ask ourselves if the number on this planet is 1 or 0.) Pressing on, the equation combines guesstimates of the number of stars with planets, the percentage of planets that develop life, the percentage of those that develop intelligent life, etc. Just like the Fermi paradox is good for starting all-night arguments, so is the Drake equation. Those focus either on the presence/absence of various quantities in the equation or on what constitutes a plausible estimate for those -- and to say that such estimates "vary a bit" is putting it mildly. The good news there is that you can probably make a credible argument for estimates remarkably different from anyone else's and get a paper out of it. ;) That said, it's at least a stick in the ground: that is, it gives us something to debate and thus to focus our thinking. It tells us some of the things that we need to know in order to answer the question, but it doesn't tell us how to know those things or whether those are all the things we need to know. Drake equation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation There are variations on the Drake equation that take other factors into account; the Drake equation's been around for 60+ years and thus revisions are inevitable. There's one call the Saeger equation that takes a different approach: the heck with *intelligent* life, can we detect *any* life? Having been in a few of those bar arguments with other physicists, all of whom were much better qualified than I am to be participating, my fallback position is what I call the Kulawiec hypothesis (hey, it's mine -- get your own!) which is that our best chance of detecting a *former* intelligent civilization will be the electromagnetic emissions generated when they annihilate themselves in a planetary thermonuclear exchange. This is the interstellar equivalent of "HELLO OUT THERE!...errr...ummm...goodbye." Of course if they do themselves in via other means (destroying their planet's ecosystem, mass drivers, epidemic, Nicki Minaj) then they may pass without our knowledge. But it's sobering to think that the culmination of billions of years of evolution and the slow upward struggle of knowledge, the end product of an entire civilization, the only thing that the entire rest of the galaxy will ever know about them, will be a few photons dutifully recorded by an automated observation system, and filed, unnoticed and unremarked, in a database filled with other innocuous observations. So maybe...let's not be them? ---rsk ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug |
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