Walt Mankowski on 23 Mar 2004 04:05:02 -0000


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Re: [PLUG] Re: SPF


On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 10:10:16PM -0500, Stephen Gran wrote:
> The major problem with SPF is that it doesn't preserve the envelope,
> as far as I can tell.  This means that if email (which relies on the
> store-and-forward-based nature of smtp) passes through multiple hosts
> that like and use SPF, the original envelope will be lost.  At the
> final server, if it bounces, who do I send the bounce to?  The last
> forwarder (that is what the envelope from would be)?  The header from:?
> In other words, my email goes from some spammer -> address A -> address
> B -> address C.  Address C 550's it, and Address B does what with it?
> Bounce to Address A?  Deliver to my local account on Address B, which
> forwards again to address C?  If it bounces to Address A, we get the
> same thing again.  This is not a new problem that SPF created really, but
> modifying the original envelope greatly exacerbates it.  This would lead
> to problems with mail forwarding, which is a long standing email practice.  
> It would also beat up things like secondary MX's, but they already get
> pretty beat up :)
> 
> The upside to SPF, sender host verification, only works if literally
> everybody is doing it, with the exception of spammers.  Since I see many
> hosts out there that don't even do ESMTP yet, I doubt that this will be
> a reality any time soon.  And given that Microsoft will probably
> implement it's own proprietary anti-spam system sometime soon, none of
> the IIS boxes out there will do any of this.
> 
> It doesn't seem to fix as much as it breaks, sadly.

Have you read

http://spf.pobox.com/faq.html#forwarding

and

http://spf.pobox.com/srs.html ?

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