Bob Schwier on 4 Mar 2005 22:03:12 -0000


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Re: [PLUG] dyndns + speakeasy


Thanks.  This seems the most complete answer to my request.
I at least now know the questions to ask the nice people from Cavalier.
bs


On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, William H. Magill wrote:

> On 02 Mar, 2005, at 10:45, Eugene Smiley wrote:
> > William H. Magill wrote:
> >> Verizon and Speakeasy are both reselling the same Verizon local
> >> loop.
> >>
> >> Cavalier, however, is a CLEC, and it "owns" that last mile, not
> >> Verizon. (It's a legal thing, not physical, but it is a completely
> >> different setup than Speakeasy simply buying and reselling a
> >> Verizon DSL loop.)
> >
> > Ok. I guess I'm confused. When I had my line provisioned, it was a
> > Verizon line tech who came out to "install" the the line at the NID.
> > What you're saying is that Verizon is selling instead of renting the
> > loops to Cavalier?
> 
> Yes... Although it's probably more like a commercial lease than either 
> renting
> or selling. The whole process is controlled by FCC/PUC definitions.
> 
> As I understand the rate process, when a CLEC takes control of a line,
> the line becomes theirs, Verizon no longer has any control or "access" 
> to
> the line.
> 
> If there is a wire problem, the CLEC must contact Verizon, and pay
> Verizon to "roll the truck."
> 
> The difference is that Speakeasy is paying Verizion to provide a working
> DSL line (which they pay for at a bulk rate) whereas Cavalier is simply
> paying for "dry-copper." Note that this is the same setup that Covad 
> uses
> ... COVAD "buys" a "dry-copper" pair from Verizon. Verizon installs the
> copper (which has no dial-tone), then COVAD installs the DSL.
> 
> Another way to look at it is that in the CO, the "dry-copper" line 
> connects
> directly to the CLEC's equipment, bypassing all Verizon equipment.
> Whereas Speakeasy is simply getting a data feed off the back-side of
> Verizon's DSLAM. The CLEC equipment provides your dial-tone not 
> Verizon's.
> 
> T.T.F.N.
> William H. Magill
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