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Re: [PLUG] devfs, scsi, & 2.6
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I tried gentoo about 2 years ago. it took about 3 days to download,
compile and install everything. I wasn't impressed, sorry. maybe i'll
try it again.
Re turntide: Fuckin'- A! good for you!
On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 20:49, Tobias DiPasquale wrote:
> On Aug 17, 2004, at 7:50 PM, W. Chris Shank wrote:
> > I'm actually a fairly recent convert to debian and am really liking it.
>
> Yeah, APT is enamoring when you first get to know it, that's for sure
> ;-)
>
> > This is my first attempt at a pure debian desktop - but we have been
> > really satisfied with it for our servers.
>
> IMO, Debian is a server-only distro. I suffered under a Debian
> (stable!) desktop for about a year, and that was the most hacked-up,
> non-standard desktop you ever saw because I couldn't get a package from
> the mirror that was more recent than 1995. After a while, I sat back
> and wondered "what the hell am I doing running 10-year old software on
> a desktop???" That kind of stability is great for a server, but anethma
> for a desktop.
>
> > Whereas with debian, if we want our standard server to have something
> > that's deviated from the main deb branch - we create our own custom
> > package. That way - if/when the main branch has it we can use that
> > package instead.
>
> I find that to be sometimes the case, and sometimes not. I've had to
> make not a few custom packages for software the Debian doesn't have and
> when they do come out with a package finally, it tends to not look
> anything like the package that you made. Sometimes its a smooth
> upgrade, but most of the time I stick with my own package.
>
> > It's been very easy. I never had this type of luck with RedHat or
> > SuSE - unless I wanted to stick strictly to what the vendor gave me.
>
> To be fair, that is exactly what those distros are designed for: using
> the stock distro without very much modification for many, many desktops
> and servers by medium to large organizations with a staff that are
> generally not Linux gurus.
>
> dpkg is simpler than RPM, once you get the hang of it. However, Gentoo
> ebuilds are a 20-30 line build solution that, if your software doesn't
> change that much between versions, practically ensures smooth updates
> for new releases (if you're familiar with BSD ports, you know the idea
> behind Gentoo's Portage system). Plus, you don't really need to make as
> many ebuilds, due to the good availability of software on Gentoo. As
> well, they don't generally manage configuration files, which means that
> once you set them up how you like them, they won't get blown away
> during an upgrade because some developer forgot to put them in
> debian/conffiles (WARNING: sometimes APT will overwrite your config
> files even if they DO appear in debian/conffiles; APT is smart like
> tractor; you've been warned).
>
> > Not to start a flame war or anything. Redhat has it's place. Just not
> > on
> > our servers.
>
> I've had a lot of experience with Debian and also with Gentoo and as
> far as package availability goes, Gentoo kicks Debian's ass up and down
> the street. More recent versions are available much more quickly than
> Debian will ever have. The trick with Gentoo is making sure you hold
> packages _back_ from newer, unstable versions. This is opposite of
> Debian: having to make custom packages for versions or software that
> Debian has and is too old, or just plain doesn't have (availability of
> non-GPL software under Debian is not the greatest).
>
> Gentoo is very similar to and reminiscent of *BSD but more performant
> and recent, whereas I liken Debian to an '76 Buick: old,
> underperforming, steers real slow but has a fanatical following.
>
> At the end of the day, its up to you, but I'd grab some crap box and
> install Gentoo on it just to check it out and see if you see something
> that you like. It doesn't take long for the afterglow of Debian to wear
> off. ;-)
>
> > BTW: Toby, I hope you did well on that squelcher thing. I heard about
> > it
> > from george. You'll have to tell me the scoop sometime.
>
> Scoop: we were recently acquired by Symantec for $28 million less than
> 6 months after becoming TurnTide. Plus, I still have the same job as
> before (Senior Software Engineer), which is good, considering the fact
> that my wife is about to have our first child any day now. Yeah, I'd
> say we did pretty damn well ;-) Thanks!
>
> --
> Tobias DiPasquale
>
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