Re: [PLUG] cultural ethics of email and spam

["Sonny To" <son.c.to@gmail.com>]

 On 10/17/07, John Von Essen <john@essenz.com> wrote:
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> Consider the following....
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> Do you like spending $30 per month for 5Mbps of internet connectivity?
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> Or is that too high?
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> Maybe Verizon should give you 100Mbps for $5 per month? Is that better? Oh,
> and you can run MTA's and malicious spambots behind it?
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> My sarcasm is to illustrate a point. US telecoms and broadband access
> providers go to GREAT measures to provide high speed access at competitive
> prices. All they ask is that you behave like a user - and "users" dont run
> mail servers. There is a reason why that 5Mbps of traffic is priced at a
> unrealistic low price. The reason is your behavior is strictly viewed as an
> end-user.

unrealistic  low price? that's bs... I lived in shanghai for 2yrs and
I was getting FTTB (fiber to the building) 10mbps for about $10/month
no port blocking. you can argue china has a lower cost, but look at
south korea which has cost structure similar to the west... you can
get 100mps to your home for something like $20/month.

once the infrastructure is in place the marginal cost of providing
service is low.

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> Admins who maintain mail servers which handle millions of messages a day can
> easily comment on the unbelievable amount of spam generated from MTAs behind
> residential high-speed connections (as much as 20% of total email volume).
> To say using a DUL blacklist is just an anal admin being an ass is not a
> fair assessment.
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> You know its funny. For a long time ISP's did little to no abuse monitoring,
> and as a result they sort of created alot of the Spam problems. Now that
> ISP's are curbing abuse via tactics like port 25 blocking, outbound mail
> filtering, or advertising their dynamic IP space to public DUL lists,
> instead of being applauded - they are criticized. And to be honest, the
> people doing the criticizing are in the minority.
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> -John
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> On Oct 17, 2007, at 4:37 PM, zuzu wrote:
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> On 10/17/07, Matt Ayres <matta@tektonic.net> wrote:
> zuzu wrote:
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> without citing artificial restrictions, _bandwidth is bandwidth_.
> really you're paying purely for Mbps with several "nines" of
> availability, that's it.
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> If bandwidth is bandwidth then Verizon should just give everyone a
> 100/1000Mbit port and charge them 95th % usage on their circuit based on
> a $/Mbit price that is based on how much they will commit to (ranging
> from $30-125/Mbit).  This is method how hosting companies pay for
> transit. If this is how it worked for the consumer it'd be like going
> back to paying per minute on the telephone and would reduce peoples time
> spent online.
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> you're assuming that the cost of bandwidth is fixed, when competition
> usually correlates to falling prices for all commodities -- bandwidth
> included.
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> the problem with overbooking as a business model is alot like what
> airlines have floundered with -- that seats are really commodities,
> but the businesses want to fool people with phony differentiations
> into thinking they're not, because they don't want to compete purely
> on price/performance.
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> or simply put, "last mile" ISPs dug their own graves with overbooking
> (aka underprovisioning) (on the heels of AOL) and now are suffering
> because it's unsustainable.  this is where I lose my sympathy and
> those businesses should fail and better businesses would take their
> place.
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