Re: [PLUG] tcsh, csh, ksh, zsh not pre-installed in Fedora?...

[Fred Stluka <fred@bristle.com>]

JP,
> First question, why FC8?  FC11 just came out, why go old?  Second, why 
> FC, which is arguably a beta, and has a demonstrably short life-span? 
> I'd never use FC (which is actually called just F now) on a server.
>
> Personally, I love Debian on the server and Ubuntu on the desktop.  But 
> I have to deal with RHEL at work, so I use CentOS (free RHEL rebuild) on 
> servers too.
>
> Based on your FC use I'd recommend using CentOS5.  I was going to say 
> you can't go wrong with Debian, but depending on what you want to do, 
> maybe you can.  Some vendors only provide RPMs of things, though I just 
> noticed that Oracle 10G Express comes in .deb too.  Cool.  (Well, except 
> that I loath Oracle with a passion.)
>
>   
I'm trying to get a quick start at using Amazon EC2.  I may go back
later for a more detailed approach.  The smallish list of predefined
Amazon-supplied EC2 AMIs (Amazon Machine Images) includes one called
"Java Web Starter" that has:
  - Fedora Core 8
  - Java JDK 7 (1.7.0)
  - Tomcat 5.5.27
  - Apache 2.2.9
  - MySQL 5.0.45
That's a good start for me, relatively recent versions of a bunch of
stuff I want, already installed and configured.  Too tempting...

> And what do you want csh/tcsh for? 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=csh+considered+harmful
> <ducks>
>
>   
Yeah, tcsh is pretty old, but I've been using it a long time and it
suits my needs pretty well.
>  > In any case, any advice on installing tcsh on Fedora?  Where do I
>  > get the RPM package?  I've used RPM before to install packages,
>  > to check which packages are installed, to check which package
>  > had previously installed a specific file, etc.  But, how can I
>  > find out what packages are on the server, not yet installed?
>  > Is there a convention?  Or a query I can do?  Or do I just have
>  > to go to some external repository to see what's available?
>
> You are going to want to read http://www.jpsdomain.org/linux/apt.html 
> which will give you a taste of what APT and RPM can do.  It will also 
> answer the above question for you (hint: "Find packages that you can 
> install").
>
>
> As you probably know, the major difference between Debian and Red Hat is 
> the packager, APT (Advanced Package Tool) for Debian and derivatives and 
> RPM (Red Hat Package Manager) for RH and children.  IMO APT is superior, 
> though RPM+YUM is a reasonable second place.  The "minor" difference is 
> where files are located and how things are controlled...  Sigh...
>
> RPM without YUM (Yellow Dog (Linux) Updater, Modified) is pretty ugly, 
> yum is more-or-less mandatory.  Fortunately, it's built in to any decent 
> RPM-based distro newer than 5-6 years old. 
> http://www.google.com/search?q="RPM+dependency+hell"; for the gory details.
>   

OK.  yum install tcsh worked pretty well.

Thanks!

--Fred
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JP Vossen wrote:
>  > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:13:39 -0400
>  > From: Fred Stluka <fred@bristle.com>
>  >
>  > I'm setting up a virtual server at Amazon EC2, and noticed that
>  > the instance of Fedora Core 8 I created does not have any shells
>  > installed in /bin except for sh and bash.  No csh, tcsh, ksh, zsh,
>  > etc.  Does this seem odd to you?  I've never used a Unix/Linux box
>  > where csh was not installed.  What else might be missing?  So far,
>  > it seems to have everything else I've looked for:  awk, sed, perl,
>  > grep, more, less, find, etc.
>
> First question, why FC8?  FC11 just came out, why go old?  Second, why 
> FC, which is arguably a beta, and has a demonstrably short life-span? 
> I'd never use FC (which is actually called just F now) on a server.
>
> Personally, I love Debian on the server and Ubuntu on the desktop.  But 
> I have to deal with RHEL at work, so I use CentOS (free RHEL rebuild) on 
> servers too.
>
> Based on your FC use I'd recommend using CentOS5.  I was going to say 
> you can't go wrong with Debian, but depending on what you want to do, 
> maybe you can.  Some vendors only provide RPMs of things, though I just 
> noticed that Oracle 10G Express comes in .deb too.  Cool.  (Well, except 
> that I loath Oracle with a passion.)
>
> And what do you want csh/tcsh for? 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=csh+considered+harmful
> <ducks>
>
>
>  > In any case, any advice on installing tcsh on Fedora?  Where do I
>  > get the RPM package?  I've used RPM before to install packages,
>  > to check which packages are installed, to check which package
>  > had previously installed a specific file, etc.  But, how can I
>  > find out what packages are on the server, not yet installed?
>  > Is there a convention?  Or a query I can do?  Or do I just have
>  > to go to some external repository to see what's available?
>
> You are going to want to read http://www.jpsdomain.org/linux/apt.html 
> which will give you a taste of what APT and RPM can do.  It will also 
> answer the above question for you (hint: "Find packages that you can 
> install").
>
>
> As you probably know, the major difference between Debian and Red Hat is 
> the packager, APT (Advanced Package Tool) for Debian and derivatives and 
> RPM (Red Hat Package Manager) for RH and children.  IMO APT is superior, 
> though RPM+YUM is a reasonable second place.  The "minor" difference is 
> where files are located and how things are controlled...  Sigh...
>
> RPM without YUM (Yellow Dog (Linux) Updater, Modified) is pretty ugly, 
> yum is more-or-less mandatory.  Fortunately, it's built in to any decent 
> RPM-based distro newer than 5-6 years old. 
> http://www.google.com/search?q="RPM+dependency+hell"; for the gory details.
>
>
> Good luck,
> JP
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