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Re: [PLUG] stick drive that mounts as /dev/sda (or sdb....)
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Michael Lazin wrote:
> I don't think you can have a drive without a partition table.
Sure you can - as somebody else pointed out floppy disks don't typically
have them. A partition table is just data stored in a few designated
clusters - just like anything else stored on a hard drive.
> Most thumb drives have 1 or 2 partitions on it by default.
True, but if you just ran mkfs on the raw device it would be
overwritten. Now, if your thumb drive has some kind of logic on it the
drive might interfere with trying to modify that partition table, but if
it just reads and writes heads/cylinders/clusters upon request there
won't be any issues.
Now, one thing that hasn't been mentioned is that if you attempt to
partition the drive you'll almost certainly hose the data that is
currently stored on it. Your filesystem spans the ENTIRE drive - which
would include the cylinder that is normally reserved for containing the
partition table/etc. So, that cylinder contains actual data (or likely
filesystem metadata) - if you create a partition table now you'll
overwrite whatever happens to be there. The output of fdisk -l is
actually interpreting your data as a partition table.
Also - note that many nondestructive hard drive diagnostics utilities
make use of the drive's diagnostic cylinder. If you don't have a
partitioned hard drive there is a good chance that this cylinder
contains actual data. So, many of these utilities could destroy your
filesystem. Typically these utilities work by using that cylinder to
record checkpointing information as well as a copy of any data that is
going to be destructively overwritten elsewhere on the disk - so that at
any time the drive can be restored to normal if the process is interrupted.
I'd generally say that it is bad practice to use a usb drive in a raw
mode like this. However, that doesn't make it automatically "the wrong
way" to do things - if you're using the drive for some exotic purpose it
might make sense to do it this way. However, if you're using your thumb
drive the way that 99.999% of people use it, I'd copy the data off,
partition it, and then lay down a new filesystem on the first partition.
There were some comments about how a drive can work without formatting.
Formatting is an overloaded term which applies to several things.
There is physical low-level formatting which generally means laying down
tracks that are properly spaced on a disk or tape such that the drive
mechanics can seek to it later. There is setting up partitioning.
Then, there is creating filesystems within individual partitions.
Of course, you can define arbitrarily complex less-common scenarios as
well (box contains 10 hard drives, which are assembled into one physical
device with RAID, and the box presents a single device via iSCSI, and
then a downstream device takes 10 of those boxes and assembles them into
a single RAID that ultimately contains 100 boxes, and then you can run
LVM on top of that (and even run RAID on top of the LVM and LVM on top
of that RAID).
Most drives with embedded controllers come preformatted at the physical
level or they manage that on their own (and for flash drives low-level
formatting probably is meaningless anyway since the chips are accessed
by gates that respond to an address bus, not by steering a head to the
right physical location on a piece of magnetic media).
Since for the most part the linux kernel can mix and match the various
layers in any way, you can come up with any number of storage approaches
that work just fine. However, if you don't want some utility to hose
your data it is best to stick with the traditional approach for
something like a thumb drive. Who knows what the kiosk at the store
would do to your data if you plugged in something non-standard.
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