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Re: Two-replies problem and Reply-To: munging (was: Today's meeting! ... and ...)

From: "Michael Paoli" <Michael.Paoli@cal.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: Two-replies problem and Reply-To: munging (was: Today's meeting! ... and ...) 
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 23:36:20 -0700



From: "Michael Paoli" <Michael.Paoli@cal.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: Two-replies problem and Reply-To: munging (was: Today's meeting! ... and ...) 
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 23:19:21 -0700



From: "Michael Paoli" <Michael.Paoli@cal.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: Two-replies problem and Reply-To: munging (was: Today's meeting! ... and ...) 
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 23:05:08 -0700



From: "Rick Moen" <rick@linuxmafia.com>
Subject: Two-replies problem and Reply-To: munging (was: Today's meeting! ... and ...) 
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 23:25:01 -0700



During today's meeting, I inquired if anyone present administers a
Google Group, as I was pretty confident Google Group permits either
standards-compliant operation or "munging".  People seemed to doubt this.
I just now looked it up, though, and I'm _correct_.  To set
standards-compliant operation (no "munging"; leave subscribers' headers
alone), if one is Manager of a Google Group:"

1. Open the Group.
2. Click Settings, choose "Group Settings".
3. In section Settings, choose "Email Options".
4. In field "Post Replies" choose "to the author of the message only"
on dropdown menu.
5. Save.

In other words, BerkeleyLUG's mailing list at Google Groups doesn't
_need_ to do "munging".  Someone in charge has made it do that.
(One of the many reasons I love the mutt mailer is that it can be easily
configured to ignore "munging", so mutt users can avoid being hurt by
it.)


Hmmm... it offers several options:
Post replies to
Send replies to group posts to:
All group members
Group managers only
Group owners only
The author of the message only
Sender chooses recipient
A custom address

Well, let's see how "The author of the message only" behaves ...
there, set.
"Sender chooses recipient" sounds also like it may be viable ...
but dear knows if Google Groups does that one reasonably ... or not.


Well ... that looks at least semi-reasonable.
Looking over the relevant headers, I see:
Sender: berkeleylug@googlegroups.com
From: Michael Paoli <Michael.Paoli@cal.berkeley.edu>
Reply-to: michael.paoli@cal.berkeley.edu
To: BerkeleyLUG <berkeleylug@googlegroups.com>
List-ID: <berkeleylug.googlegroups.com>
List-Post: <https://groups.google.com/group/berkeleylug/post>, <mailto:berkeleylug@googlegroups.com> 

So ... that should mostly be reasonable-ish.  It still shouldn't
add/munge Reply-to - I didn't set that, so it overrode/added it - it
at least ideally shouldn't add or change that.
And with the To: and List-Post: a reply-all or reply-to-list should
reasonably well cover posting to the list ... though it annoys me that
they also give https in List-Post and also give that first - many older
clients don't handle that well (trying to send email to
https://groups.google.com/group/berkeleylug/post
doesn't work very well).

Anyway, should at least be an improvement and work better now, at least
in general.



... and trying:
Sender chooses recipient
because I found two different clients didn't offer a
reply-all or reply-to-list type of option when it was set to:
The author of the message only
even though from a quick inspection of the headers, it would seem
they ought to and would offer such option(s).


Okay ... that looks slightly better.
Tried two different clients - one only offers reply* - but in
that most recent setting will reply to list, rather than author,
and another client offers reply - that goes to author rather than
list, and also offers to reply to list.
So ... that may be the best option among the limits that Google Groups
seems to impose.
And ... the relevant headers on that one ...
Sender: berkeleylug@googlegroups.com
From: Michael Paoli <Michael.Paoli@cal.berkeley.edu>
To: BerkeleyLUG <berkeleylug@googlegroups.com>
List-Post: <https://groups.google.com/group/berkeleylug/post>, <mailto:berkeleylug@googlegroups.com> 

*and yeah, no surprise - that's Google own gmail web client ... ugh.

Oooh, nice, it didn't even add a Reply-to:
So, yeah, I think that's the one we'll go with - and is now set.
And, given those headers, should generally do the right thing,
reply would go to the From: (or Reply-to: if set)
reply-all would cover the To: (and also Cc:) - generally the list would be in
at least one of those,
and reply-to-list should generally more-or-lest go to the list,
at least for clients that can grok Google's including multiple URLs
there and the first being https.
Show should be relatively good - or at least best feasible with Google Groups.

Oh, also list owners:
michael.paoli@cal.berkeley.edu
acohen36@gmail.com
grantbow@gmail.com
So ... definitely not just one that can, e.g. adjust such settings,
export and backup the entire list content and membership, etc.

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