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Well I think the problem is that you shouldn't be testing rediculous things
like the name of the third item down in such and such a menu. You should be
testing the person's practical knowledge. You should be required to do a
standard task or 2 and then do a few random minor tasks that take a minute
or 2 each. & depending on the test, you could be confronted with some
problems that you have to solve, like somebody breaking into your system or
something. Of course I seriously doubt you could get M$ to do that kind of
thing. If only competant people weren't wasting their money taking those
tests, then their profit would drop off considerably.
-Laktar, a.k.a. Nick Rosen, laktar.dyndns.org
If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord:
19. I will not have a daughter. She would be as beautiful as she was evil,
but
one look at the hero's rugged countenance and she'd betray her own father.
-- Peter's Evil Overlord List,
http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html
From: "Vale Kenny" <vkenny@quarterleaf.com>
Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net
To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net
Subject: Re: [Plug] certification
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:22:56 -0400
Ok, Vale's rant mode...
/on
I do not mean to offend, and it is not aimed at you Xtian, but I have to
take issue with this situation. I have worked with numerous paper CNA &
MCSE,
none of whom were worth a fiddlers shit when it came to getting real work
done.
Too many of them were just in it for the money, getting the most while
doing
the least. Call me a luddite, but I think people should earn their marks,
and
then take a test to cover any bases they may be weak on. I am no guru, far
from it, as certain members of this list will attest to, but I've earned
what
respect I have from doing and performing, not from some piece of paper that
ensures I have some cursory knowledge of a specific topic. I am not
saying
that certification is a pointless gesture either. It could be an excellent
barometer for seperating the wheat from the chaff, distinguishing between
those
who really know their shit, and those who are muddling along hoping to get
by
on a good line of bullshit. I've been to numerous interviews where the
interviewer asked the three or four questions about areas I had not dealt
with,
and it would have been endlessly useful to have a writ stating my
competency in
an area, but there is no test such as that. THe closest is Cisco's
CCIE. There ain't no way to fake that. Flashing a piece of paper that
says I'm
great at cramming, and have paid for the classes should be useless. The
greatest minds I've had the luck to work with are not certified (although
some
of them should be :-> ). And some of the worst are roughly the equivalent
of
used car salesmen (the stereotype, my apologies to the used car salesmen
that
are honest) who were papered out the wazoo.
Michael is correct, if you really need the CNA, and plan to add to the
knowledge and respect of Novell, then go for it. But feeding money to a
papermill simply for the sake of adding letters to you title is
questionable at
best, and underhanded at worst. IT professionals are still not afforded
the
respect we deserve, even though we are in huge demand now. Most execs view
us
as spoiled children, rather than hardworking folks with integrity.
I urge you, everyone, if you are going to get certified, be sure you are
doing
it to add to the respect of the field, so you and everyone in our little
sub-culture can benefit. If you're pouring money down some companies
throat
just so you can earn mo' money without adding anything in a larger sense,
then
maybe you should rethink your drives.
/off
Again, I mean no offense, especially to you Xtian, I think you have the
correct
intent, from what I've read of your commentary on this list, but I'm sick
of
pointy clicky types whose only drive is to benefit themselves and, and
don't
give a shit about the people who really deverve respect.
Peace (sometimes),
Vale
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> this may be a bit off topic but I thought that the plug people would be
the
> best to ask.
>
> I would like to get a CNA, but I have almost no experience with novell.
> What is the cheapest way that I can pass the exam(s) and how do the
tests
> work? What does it take to get certified? I have heard different things
> about the difficulty of the test. There is no way I can afford a
thousand
> dollar course but I am willing to spend 200-300 dollars on
materials(books,
> tapes, whatever). I really just want to know who has done this (gotten a
> CNA just by reading books).
>
> While on the topic, has anybody done the same thing with A+? MCSE? Could
> anybody point me to a place where I could find information on
certification?
>
> Finally, what is everyone's opinion of Linux Certification? Has anyone
> actually taken the test?
>
> -Xtian Betz
>
>
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