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I am with you. I see MCSEs come in all the time, and when asked even the
simplest question they fall. "What is the difference between 95 and NT4?"
All these MCSEs and Computer Science majors all have the same answer. "It
is more stable." I am mystified. I ask them again and again the same
question and they have no clue. I just tell them good luck in their search
for a job. If they ask me what they did wrong, I usually tell them they
spent too much money on something that could never help them.
-----Original Message-----
From: Aarune J. Oracle [mailto:linux@fsckit.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 9:57 AM
To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net
Subject: Re: [Plug] certification
I will have to agree on this for the most part, the piece of paper saying
that I know things is not a good thing, sure it would be nice to have that
crediability to add to my resume, but honestly, I didnt get where I am in
this buisness by going to school, I learned it all on the field, in that
respect it should be more valuable then someone that went to 4 years of
colledge for a piece of paper and whom has no clue how to solve a standard
computer problem. I have seen people that have degrees and certifacations
in different things and I have to help them step by step to install OS's
and rtrouble shoot a hardware problem. What always ticks me off is they
get offered more money off the bat then what I would. I feel you should
learn what you want then get the certifacations. But I can see that will
ot happen any time soon. Oh well. Cheers to those who learned computers
the hard way, by breaking them and finding out what they did wrong. And
fixing it.
--
-Rune
Time is Irrelevant to the worlds beyond this godforsaken place unto which
it destroys all.
-Aarune J. Oracle
"In the depths of a mind insane fantasy and reality are the same" -Slayer.
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Vale Kenny wrote:
:Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:22:56 -0400
:From: Vale Kenny <vkenny@quarterleaf.com>
:Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net
:To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net
:Subject: Re: [Plug] certification
:
:Ok, Vale's rant mode...
:
:/on
:
:I do not mean to offend, and it is not aimed at you Xtian, but I have to
:take issue with this situation. I have worked with numerous paper CNA &
MCSE,
:none of whom were worth a fiddlers shit when it came to getting real work
done.
: Too many of them were just in it for the money, getting the most while
doing
:the least. Call me a luddite, but I think people should earn their marks,
and
:then take a test to cover any bases they may be weak on. I am no guru, far
:from it, as certain members of this list will attest to, but I've earned
what
:respect I have from doing and performing, not from some piece of paper that
:ensures I have some cursory knowledge of a specific topic. I am not
saying
:that certification is a pointless gesture either. It could be an excellent
:barometer for seperating the wheat from the chaff, distinguishing between
those
:who really know their shit, and those who are muddling along hoping to get
by
:on a good line of bullshit. I've been to numerous interviews where the
:interviewer asked the three or four questions about areas I had not dealt
with,
:and it would have been endlessly useful to have a writ stating my
competency in
:an area, but there is no test such as that. THe closest is Cisco's
:CCIE. There ain't no way to fake that. Flashing a piece of paper that
says I'm
:great at cramming, and have paid for the classes should be useless. The
:greatest minds I've had the luck to work with are not certified (although
some
:of them should be :-> ). And some of the worst are roughly the equivalent
of
:used car salesmen (the stereotype, my apologies to the used car salesmen
that
:are honest) who were papered out the wazoo.
:Michael is correct, if you really need the CNA, and plan to add to the
:knowledge and respect of Novell, then go for it. But feeding money to a
:papermill simply for the sake of adding letters to you title is
questionable at
:best, and underhanded at worst. IT professionals are still not afforded
the
:respect we deserve, even though we are in huge demand now. Most execs view
us
:as spoiled children, rather than hardworking folks with integrity.
:I urge you, everyone, if you are going to get certified, be sure you are
doing
:it to add to the respect of the field, so you and everyone in our little
:sub-culture can benefit. If you're pouring money down some companies
throat
:just so you can earn mo' money without adding anything in a larger sense,
then
:maybe you should rethink your drives.
:
:/off
:
:
:Again, I mean no offense, especially to you Xtian, I think you have the
correct
:intent, from what I've read of your commentary on this list, but I'm sick
of
:pointy clicky types whose only drive is to benefit themselves and, and
don't
:give a shit about the people who really deverve respect.
:
:Peace (sometimes),
:Vale
:
:On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, you wrote:
:> this may be a bit off topic but I thought that the plug people would be
the
:> best to ask.
:>
:> I would like to get a CNA, but I have almost no experience with novell.
:> What is the cheapest way that I can pass the exam(s) and how do the tests
:> work? What does it take to get certified? I have heard different things
:> about the difficulty of the test. There is no way I can afford a thousand
:> dollar course but I am willing to spend 200-300 dollars on
materials(books,
:> tapes, whatever). I really just want to know who has done this (gotten a
:> CNA just by reading books).
:>
:> While on the topic, has anybody done the same thing with A+? MCSE? Could
:> anybody point me to a place where I could find information on
certification?
:>
:> Finally, what is everyone's opinion of Linux Certification? Has anyone
:> actually taken the test?
:>
:> -Xtian Betz
:>
:>
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