Kevin Brosius on 22 Oct 2003 18:46:02 -0400 |
gr wrote: > > More importantly, though, the study that Stephen Gran references: > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:44:16PM -0400, Stephen Gran wrote: > > What you can do is put up an obfuscated address, link heavily to it, and > > wait - if you get spam to that address, obfuscation does not work. See > > this page for a study of that type: > > http://www.keybuk.com/2003/06/26/obfuscation.html > > handily contradicts your example. > Well, honestly, I can see problems with both the studies, the one I linked and this one. > He said exactly what I would about this. In summary, negative > results are meaningless in this case. Positive results are > meaningful. > Maybe, if you take a very strict view. But I don't look at it as one big spammer. So yeah, some will de-munge addresses. Other's will not. Depends on what you think the ratio is. > The other problem, which I neglected to explain as clearly as I'd > like to have, with munging is that it puts you in an arms race. I > don't care if you can munge an email address in a way that current > webscraping tools can't un-munge; at some point after such time as > any decent repository of email addresses (say, the PLUG mailing > list archive) is munged in that way, a human being will notice, > determinte the pattern (there has to be a pattern if the munging > was an automated process, and I doubt you're volunteering to manually > munge the PLUG archives) and simply include a test for that munging > and a process to demunge it into his webscraping software. Seems to me that spam filtering is in the same arms race. I don't think this argument applies just to de-munging. (So, yes, I agree with you about the arms race. I just don't see how you can apply against one of the methods and not the other.) <snip> > > Plus, your knowing it's true doesn't prove to me that spammers > > are using it. It's a short leap, I admit. > > No, but the study to which Stephen pointed does. > Welllll, I can think of at least one flaw in that study that would prove otherwise. But with the little information available on the page I couldn't prove or disprove it. <snip> > > Easily crawl-able web archives are just to simple a target. > > I would counter that by pointing out that easily readable web > archives are serving the purpose for which they were designed. > Making them less easily crawl-able also damages that purpose. I'm > willing to trade useability for security in circumstances where it > makes sense, but it doesn't make sense to me here. I'm apparently > not alone in that, though I'm maybe shouting the loudest about it. > You've failed to help me understand how the munging makes web archives less "easily readable". Have you used MARC[1]? What is less readable about their munging? -- Kevin [1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
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