Matthew Ozor on 11 Jun 2004 17:31:02 -0000 |
Hey Paul man you have to much time on your hands. I didn't even bother reading all that. Let me guess summer leave from school? --- "Paul L. Snyder" <plsnyder@drexel.edu> wrote: > Quoting Matthew Ozor <mtozor@yahoo.com>: > > > Don't be "grumpy" and sorry if I ruined your whole > > PLUG list experience. Please don't leave the group > on > > the account of my simple question. > > You seem to be leaping to many conclusions. Thank > you > for your concern, but I am in no danger of leaving > PLUG. > > > Do a search for EXTENDED ASCII on google and I say > the > > first 748,000 results knew what I was talking > about. > > This is another leap. If you were to look more > carefully > at these links, you will find that most will be a > bit > more specific. > > http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=extended+ascii&btnG=Search > > (Note that even the google search URL specifies the > character encoding to be used: UTF-8.) > > ---- > Link #3: http://www.asciitable.com > > "...it took a while to get a single standard for > these > extra characters and hence there are few varying > 'extended' > sets." > ---- > Link #4: http://www.jimprice.com/jim-asc.htm > > Strictly speaking, the ASCII character set only > includes > values up to 127 decimal (7F hex). However, when the > IBM > PC was developed, the video card contained one byte > for > each character in the 80x25 character display. > Gee...what > to do with that extra bit per character? Why not > invent > 128 new characters, for line-drawing and special > symbols? > The result, of course, was the extended ASCII > character > set for the IBM PC. The chart below shows (most of) > the > characters that can be generated by the display in > the > original IBM PC...Microsoft Windows ® has a > different > notion about what the high-order (upper 128) > characters > are..." > ---- > Link #10: > http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Extended%20ASCII > > The term extended ASCII describes 8-bit or larger > character encodings that include the standard 7-bit > ASCII characters as well as others. Because the > number > of written symbols used in common natural languages > far exceeds the limited range of the ASCII code, > many > extensions to it have been used to facilitate > handling > of those languages. Foreign markets for computers > and > communication equipment were historically open long > before standards bodies had time to deliberate upon > the best way to accommodate them, so there are many > incompatible proprietary extensions to ASCII. > ---- > > If you are talking to someone who only knows about > one > extension to ASCII, the phrase "extended ASCII" will > be > understood by both of you...as long as both of you > happen to know only the same extension. Link #10 is > a > good one - I recommend that you read it. It > describes > many different "Extended ASCII" character sets. In > fact > it states: "unannounced use of ISO 8859-1 is quite > commonplace, and should generally be assumed without > evidence to the contrary." > > In fact, the "748,000" authorities that you cite > will reveal a great diversity of opinion. Google > hit > #8, for example, makes no assumptions about which > particular extension is being used, and just talks > about > removing non-ASCII characters. You claim that just > because over 748,000 pages contain both words they > must support you, which seems to be something of a > fallacy. > > > If you would please write to the list the correct > > format for asking a question I would be greatful. > If > > you are unclear on someones question ask them to > > elaborate don't tell them were the > > "!@#$%^&*(),./;'[]\<>?:"{}|" characters are on the > > keyboard. > > You have a good start on the suggestions at > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > You are asking questions - that is to say, favors - > of > people with lots of specialized knowledge. As the > one > asking the favor, I would advise politeness. Your > initial question was just fine. However, instead of > carefully reading the responses to your question and > seeing what assumptions they were making about your > post, and what clarifying information they were > providing, you responded "You guys read into things > too > much and by doing so you miss the simple question... > If you don't know the ansewer don't complicated the > problem with pointless facts." > > It ISN'T a simple question, though you may have > thought > that it was. Posters offered, with varying degrees > of > tact, information and links to more information that > would clarify the issue. You should have responded > with something like, "Okay, thanks for clarifying > the > issues. I'm not trying to enter characters > with accents. I'm trying to enter line-drawing > characters like the ones in table ASCII-II at > http://www.cdrummond.qc.ca/cegep/informat/Professeurs/Alain/files/ascii.htm > I'm using vim in the Linux console." > > And you likely would have received helpful advice. > I > know that I would try to answer such a question. > The > seemingly-irrelevant "tangents" about terminology > should be used to learn how to use the terminology > correctly in the future. > > > That is insolting to ones intelligence and > > not helpful to anyone in the PLUG list. > > The point that was being made by Jeff W. > is that the term "ASCII" can be (and in his opinion, > should be) interpreted extremely rigidly, and any > attempt to refer to something as "extended ASCII" > is misleading and incorrect. I considered making > this point myself, but instead chose to liberally > interpret the term, and post a few suggestions as > to different ways it might be understood. You may > notice that the posts were, in fact, relevant to > the question you really asked, not the one that you > thought that you were asking. > > I recommend developing a thicker skin. The sarcasm > of the post is, in fact, there for a reason. For > starters, it tells you something about what happens > when > you use the unqualified term "extended ASCII" on a > list full of Linux geeks. > > > I am on quite a few mailing list and know the > kinds of > > quesions that are recived to the groups. "How do I > > write a program", "How do I write a virus", "What > is a > > computer" the normal newbie questions. Most can be > > ansewered with a little reading or reasearch on > there > > own part. I for one try my best to find ansewers > to > > questions - Google, help, man, info, books, ect.. > and > > If I can't find anything I will turn to a list. > Most > > of the time someone will have had that same > question > > as you or know the ansewer and post it for you. > > That is great. It is the correct starting point. > > > Beign > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
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