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Re: [PLUG] Re: VIM and ASCII
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Since were back on the topic. Is there a character set
for linux that matches the IBM/OEM character set that
has the extendend ascii block and line symbols?
I notice that after I run BitchX it changes some
setting in my term that allows me to use these
symbols. For instance if I use decimal 219 I get a U
with two dots over it but after I run BitchX I get a
filled block. Any idea on what setting is changed?
Any help or useful information will be most grateful.
Matt OzOr
--- LeRoy Cressy <ldc@lrcressy.com> wrote:
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> Matthew Ozor wrote:
> | Your ansewer was fine but my question was how to
> enter
> | an extended ascii symbol in VIM. The character set
> is
> | unimportant to the question.
>
> The character set is very important because
> depending on what character
> set that your system is running determines the
> character. Like Jeff
> Weisberg pointed out the resulting character depends
> on what character
> set you are using. The DOS system usually defaulted
> to CP437 which was
> an 8 bit character set. The various DOS systems
> called CP437 ASCII
> which was really not true, since the original ASCII
> is a 7 bit
> character set.
>
> What I think you are asking for is how to get
> terminal support for CP437
> so that you can display 8bit CP437 characters. In
> your efforts to
> create ASCII art you might end up with something
> totally different than
> what you envision. For example let's say that your
> recipient is using a
> different character set than what you created your
> art in, then they
> will not see the same thing that you originally
> envisioned. The thing
> about DOS was that it was set up to be country
> specific where it was
> sold. The DOS sold in Germany had a German
> character set whereas the US
> version had a CP437 Character set. With Linux where
> it is downloaded
> from the Internet, each user sets up their console
> for themselves. The
> default for US users is en_US using the 7 bit
> character set.
>
>
>
> I realize that there are
> | different symbols for different standards.
> Entering
> | them in VIM is the same no matter what term you
> are
> | using.
>
> Are you sure?
>
> ~ Someone did post CTRL-V and I must have
> | overlooked it with the 8 paragpraph on ISO and
> ANSI
> | theory that surrounded it.
> |
> | My question should have sounded like this.
> |
> | What is the correct key combination for entering
> | extended ascii characters in VIM.
>
> | I thought using the old ms-dos way of entering
> them as
> | an example would shine light on the question and
> | result in a ansewer.
>
> If you changed the codepage in the old msdos the
> results would reflect
> the codepage character set.
>
> Man now im "grumpy" ... who talks
> | like that...
> |
> |
> | --- Jeff Weisberg <jaw+plug@tcp4me.com> wrote:
> |
> |>
> |>
> |>mtozor@yahoo.com wrote:
> |>[...]
> |>| Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> |>|
> |>| Your going to tell me that %G�%@ is not an
> |>extended ascii
> |> ^^
> |>| symbol - it was the symbol I orginal asked about
> |>in my
> |>| first post on this topic.
> |>
> |>
> |>I don't think you'll care to hear my answer, so
> you
> |>should hit
> |>delete now, but for the other people on the list
> |>that do care,
> |>and would like to learn:
> |>
> |>Your email headers indicate "US-ASCII". The
> |>indicated character
> |>has a value of 0xEC (239). Being outside the range
> |>of 0-127
> |>it is not a valid ASCII character.
> |>
> |>What is it? How do we display it? What does it
> look
> |>like?
> |>
> |>There are a *large* number of character sets which
> |>extend
> |>ASCII, and have characters in the range 128-255.
> But
> |>they
> |>are all different. If we don't know which of the
> |>many
> |>"extended ascii" character sets you mean, we have
> no
> |>way
> |>to know how to interpret the above character.
> |>
> |>perhaps an example:
> |>
> |>the above character (0xEC) has the following
> |>interpretation in each of these "extended ascii"
> |>character sets:
> |>
> |> iso-8859-1 LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH GRAVE
> |> iso-8859-2 LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH CARON
> |> iso-8859-3 LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH GRAVE
> |> iso-8859-4 LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH DOT
> |>ABOVE
> |> iso-8859-5 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SOFT SIGN
> |> iso-8859-6 ARABIC DAMMATAN
> |> iso-8859-7 GREEK SMALL LETTER MU
> |> iso-8859-8 HEBREW LETTER LAMED
> |> iso-8859-9 LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH GRAVE
> |> iso-8859-10 LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH DOT
> |>ABOVE
> |> iso-8859-11 THAI CHARACTER THANTHAKHAT
> |> iso-8859-13 LATIN SMALL LETTER G WITH
> CEDILLA
> |> iso-8859-14 LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH GRAVE
> |> iso-8859-15 LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH GRAVE
> |> iso-8859-16 LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH GRAVE
> |> KOI8-R CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EL
> |> CP437 INFINITY
> |> CP850 LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH ACUTE
> |> CP855 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER VE
> |> CP866 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SOFT SIGN
> |> [...]
> |>
> |>these are all equally valid interpretations of
> your
> |>ambiguous "extended ascii" above.
> |>
> |>different people on the PLUG list will see your
> |>"extended ascii" character in different of the
> above
> |>ways.
> |>and none are wrong.
> |>
> |>(actually, your message should be rejected as
> |>corrupt, but
> |>that's a different thread altogether)
> |>
> |>
> |> --jeff
> |>
> |>
> |
> |
>
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