Brent Saner on 21 Oct 2007 21:55:58 -0000


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Re: [PLUG] Meeting Topic Request

  • From: "Brent Saner" <brent.saner@gmail.com>
  • To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>
  • Subject: Re: [PLUG] Meeting Topic Request
  • Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:55:50 -0400
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they're VERY similar, but different in philosophy.

in LTSP, there is a server and X number of clients that run as if they're "on" the server.

in clustering, there are X boxes that all act as if they're "tied" together into one bigger machine. think of it as RAID for whole computers (this is a terribly simplified view, but it suffices for explanation)
there are even different types of clustering! there's gridding (which i believe is a bit like raid 5), speed/performance clustering (raid 0), and high-availability/fallback clustering (raid 1)

it's a really cool thing once you start thinking about it. the mind boggles.

On 10/21/07, Antony P Joseph <antony@panathara.org> wrote:
Hi
   My mistake, I thought clustering and terminal services are the same!
With regards
Antony
Brent Saner wrote:
> uhm. are you sure? it's my recollection that LTSP uses x forwarding-
> that's why it makes then thin clients- they don't even need hard
> drives. it loads it all in ram and processor from the network. VNC
> needs some sort of client installed.
> also, VNC is:
> -slower
> -less secure
> -more taxing on system resources
> than LTSP
>
> but i was talking about clustering anyways, not terminal services. ;)
>
> On 10/21/07, *Antony P Joseph* <antony@panathara.org
> <mailto: antony@panathara.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi
>
>        There are VNC viewers running on 6W  fanless boxes, wyses, linutop,
>     etc the list goes one. LTSP needs capable workstation to run X-server.
>     VNC doe not need that. That is the difference.
>
>     With regards
>     Antony
>     Brent Saner wrote:
>     > here's a neat idea, kind of a compromise between individual systems
>     > and a single shared system...
>     >
>     > set up a full cluster, and then turn THAT into a multi-user system.
>     >
>     > "why would i do that instead of just having the individual
>     > workstations?" you might say.
>     > well, the advantage of this is load-balancing- it'd pool all the
>     > resources of x amount of boxes together. so if you have, say, five
>     > boxes and only one user on (because, say, it's 3am or something)
>     then
>     > the resources of all five boxes are available to the user
>     independent
>     > of where he signs in. if you have three users on at one time and
>     five
>     > boxes clustered, you still have an advantage because each user
>     > (assuming they're all doing the same amount of processor
>     expense) get
>     > an extra 33.33% of a box extra.
>     > (granted, all of this is not completely accurate and not exact, but
>     > it's a simple example of the power of load-balancing clusters
>     and the
>     > possible implementation in a multi-user system)
>     >
>     > On 10/21/07, *Antony P Joseph* < antony@panathara.org
>     <mailto:antony@panathara.org>
>     > <mailto:antony@panathara.org <mailto:antony@panathara.org>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Hi
>     >
>     >         I am not sure whether LTSP  do the sound redirection either
>     >     because
>     >     the program is running in the server accessing servers sound
>     card.
>     >     X-protocol does not support "sound" redirection. If the LTSP
>     supports
>     >     sound redirection, it must be outside of X-protocol. I do
>     not find any
>     >     problem in extending that outside protocol to VNC.
>     >
>     >     If you are not able to find any software for redirection,
>     Bluetooth
>     >     speakers or earphones connecting to the server will solve
>     the problem
>     >     provided you are with in the Bluetooth distance range.
>     >
>     >     With regards
>     >     Antony
>     >     Matthew Rosewarne wrote:
>     >     > On Sunday 21 October 2007, Antony P Joseph wrote:
>     >     >
>     >     >>     There is a fouth option
>     >     >>         VNC (a variation of thin computing, easy to configure
>     >     compared
>     >     >> to LTSP)
>     >     >>
>     >     >
>     >     > VNC is easier, but doesn't do sound.  Otherwise, it's
>     >     requirements & pros/cons
>     >     > are similar to LTSP.
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >
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