| brent timothy saner on 17 Feb 2015 11:50:27 -0800 |
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| Re: [PLUG] PLUG West - "systemd: The Anti-BusyBox" by Rich Freeman |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 02/17/2015 02:36 PM, Rich Mingin (PLUG) wrote: > Not contradicting any of your points, Rich, and it's true, Debian stable > is still on init, but Debian testing (jessie) is frozen and defaulting > to systemd, it's quite hard to avoid having it pulled in. Once Jessie is > forked as Debian 8.0 and released, it'll be down to pretty much Gentoo > offering non-systemd installs, and having tried to make a systemd-free > install last year, there are lots of things pulling it in, even on > Gentoo. A lot of the pushback, I think, is because it feels like a > non-choice, that the distros have decided on systemd and there's no > alternative, no way for a mere user to register their opinions and > desires on this issue. > > Rather than defending the merits of systemd, it would probably be more > fruitful to address this feeling of powerlessness and passenger-hood. > Can one find any distros still offering hotplugd/devfs, or did they all force us into using udev? those totalitarian *bastards*. i jest, but i remember a conversation almost exactly like this one, about devfs and hotplugd being "shunted out" of the widespread linux experience in favor of udev. same basic three camps- first camp embraces new changes and wants it to be worked on as much as possible to fully stabilize and become production-ready, because it allows technology to remain relevant in the evolving electronic landscape. second camp fears it because change is scary (and yes, a pain in the ass/costly). third camp doesn't really care either way as long as it works. history just repeats itself. i think people are really making a big deal out of nothing, personally. it also seems to be totally ignored that you can still keep your precious init scripts even with systemd by just writing a wrapper unit (which is, literally, what- 3-5 lines?). but all this to say that sometimes a new thing comes along, and we can either embrace it and seek to make it the best it can be, or fear it and bemoan it while desperately clutching our favourites with bony cold hands, never allowing progress to take foothold. i for one, however, am glad i am not typing this on a VT-100. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJU45tzAAoJEIwATC+TSB9r364QAKnpcI1WPCLjOusdRu62qln9 OCw1ypxUR3eOfupwlqSQDavWZR11bZbN9D2aluOLGc9UG1pHgL6tvr/dDBVLwKMP FHKBqVAk+q1yIXgYoZuREyrYtAzklxCS48GMU0PGKJC45zYouiTNIEQ42a2ykhrK ai3jTyWPsFH697FXY7ohhHNtpoqpIDKe2ejx5WFiQf2waKDgQpnL7VSHjzerCnI4 n+OBYt5csYE+8/TG/32+llx58N0iSnIixXRI9aoLuwqxQF6hLdND8gVRKpzVz3F6 1ICLfViWN9jXUQKpcVQKC5F8SNq895IQxHVwFpn1uyVyaAn6oPXNWwAuO5TvDKLq aQn1b7alTFQ7wZe0WP04T0e6TqZrf3NN57wx3j28OPrWH/7qWIVOzd9X3XJZHkbs Wtv0qB6WLh7XouEUmdNxS3U+fB7Cy5RKr4VP5l39DRN9gb4neAJvyWenKT9wgDNR /t0PXq6MT6s7jUsEtpPkeMiG32tqSBMY2JD1YIbRAtk3vAYnpK/X5so+fqdsD3MV FrDN1eUrg3xv0Isin3XdCC3bbieEfU/BdMhK5oJwSo5yHSXfKRQ1QDTMlY+GTarY 92alIdExsjL6niIC/4Drdd2dD3VO2IUDceHLWjeYRnxkmMiCPMn6uhY1u5dBDeex oTTo+j/zuGKcMvznP9Jc =t0WZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug