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After last Tuesday's PLUG, I think we all have users defined on your Pi. On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Chris Norton <chris@nortoninc.info> wrote: > Rachel, > > I agree 100%, and would be glad to host the "games" on my Pi. Since I > already have "users" defined. > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:37 PM <plug-request@lists.phillylinux.org> wrote: >> >> Send plug mailing list submissions to >> plug@lists.phillylinux.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.netisland.net/mailman/listinfo/plug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> plug-request@lists.phillylinux.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> plug-owner@lists.phillylinux.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of plug digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: PLUG W and presos (Rachel Rawlings) >> 2. Re: PLUG W and presos (JP Vossen) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:31:55 -0400 >> From: Rachel Rawlings <rachelneko@gmail.com> >> To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" >> <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> >> Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG W and presos >> Message-ID: >> >> <CACta1dPXdeadgZ+Bj-5DStJg8qgxD54nFuS+GKFi0Qe9RLv5cg@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Keith, >> >> When Paden had us all in his Raspberry Pi, it was a great reminder that >> Linux as a multi-user system can be fun. Most of us are just alone on our >> workstations and laptops, or maintaining multiuser servers where stability >> and uptime are of utmost importance. (Not an xor) >> >> I think we should have a lab meeting that starts with multiuser, single >> host communication and just general pranking, following the law of /most/ >> surprise. Then we follow that wirh a session on hardening. >> On Jun 16, 2015 10:34 AM, "Keith C. Perry" <kperry@daotechnologies.com> >> wrote: >> >> > I know its a more advanced topic but I wouldn't mind running a network >> > "war game". One of the things I used to do when I was teaching more >> > advanced networking courses was break the class up into groups and tell >> > them to interconnect themselves. Basically go through the similar the >> > process of building networks and peering. >> > >> > Then I tell them to try and gain intelligence (topology, running >> > services, >> > etc) on the other networks including any compromises they could muster. >> > >> > Good times as you can imagine. >> > >> > Obviously various security methods were learned but the other thing that >> > came out was how hard it was to do a successful compromise when you know >> > how to trap and trace attacks. >> > >> > For new Linux users especially those interested in networking, a >> > workshop >> > like this could help gain confidence in understanding what attacks look >> > like, how to rate them (i.e. prioritize for action) and why things >> > aren't >> > nearly as easy to do as tv and film would have you believe. >> > >> > >> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> > Keith C. Perry, MS E.E. >> > Owner, DAO Technologies LLC >> > (O) +1.215.525.4165 x2033 >> > (M) +1.215.432.5167 >> > www.daotechnologies.com >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > *From: *"rachelneko" <rachelneko@gmail.com> >> > *To: *"Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" < >> > plug@lists.phillylinux.org> >> > *Sent: *Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:13:18 AM >> > *Subject: *Re: [PLUG] PLUG W and presos >> > >> > I never got the impression that any PLUG folks were afraid of the >> > command >> > line, but this would be a great topic for outreach, or for a lightning >> > talk >> > night. Kinda like MJD's "What's in my ~/bin" with a bunch of us showing >> > off >> > a few small tricks and pipelines. >> > On Jun 16, 2015 8:11 AM, "Anthony Martin" >> > <anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Those are the type of topics we were considering teaching stuff that is >> >> actually relevant and useful in the workplace and also what life is >> >> like >> >> working with FLOSS. >> >> >> >> Anthony Martin >> >> >> >> Jr Linux System Administrator >> >> >> >> (M) 609-410-1168 >> >> anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Jonathan Simpson < >> >> jonathan@jdsnetwork.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> To get ahead of things I'll pitch this today at CoreDial. >> >>> >> >>> I know internally there is probably some interest. Some topics I think >> >>> would be of interest... >> >>> >> >>> Linux from the CLI: to explore the basic CLI commands and beyond-basic >> >>> usage of them. I think a lot of folks used to GUI linux know what ls >> >>> and cp are for, but would possibly have an interest in more advanced >> >>> commands and piping them together. For me learning to string things >> >>> together was what took the CLI from a mundane chore when other things >> >>> were not working to a toolbox that made life easier. >> >>> >> >>> Setting up a LAMP server: This is kind of my goto to get someone >> >>> introduced to command line linux. It touches a lot of pieces and you >> >>> can finish with a usable product, and it's pretty easy to take that >> >>> usable product and continue to install a CMS on top of it to make it >> >>> even more approachable. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Anthony Martin >> >>> <anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> > One thing I was discussing with Keith was the possibility of having >> >>> actual >> >>> > classes at North on days other than the normal meetings. Going over >> >>> beginner >> >>> > topics and some advanced topics. Would anyone be interested in this? >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015, 7:40 AM Jonathan Simpson < >> >>> jonathan@jdsnetwork.com> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> A bash and vim night seem like they could be a good combo topic, >> >>> >> although there is enough content to both to stand alone. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> I'm probably going to get together a release party/installfest at >> >>> >> the >> >>> >> next Ubuntu release this fall. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> I'm all for the kids stuff. Do we have a place to do it? >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Jonathan Simpson >> >>> >> <jsimpson@jdsnetwork.com> wrote: >> >>> >> > A bash and vim night seem like they could be a good combo topic, >> >>> >> > although >> >>> >> > there is enough content to both to stand alone. >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > I'm probably going to get together a release party/installfest at >> >>> the >> >>> >> > next >> >>> >> > Ubuntu release this fall. >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > I'm all for the kids stuff. Do we have a place to do it? >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > On Jun 16, 2015 6:46 AM, "Rich Freeman" >> >>> >> > <r-plug@thefreemanclan.net> >> >>> >> > wrote: >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 1:00 AM, JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > Second, last night we were talking about presentations for >> >>> >> >> > future >> >>> >> >> > meetings and some of the things that came up are: >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > * Mini install-fests >> >>> >> >> > * Mini t-shooting clinics >> >>> >> >> > * Perhaps some "kid friendly" topics for the summer? >> >>> >> >> > * More beginner topics like: >> >>> >> >> > * bash >> >>> >> >> > * vim >> >>> >> >> > * Maybe some network architecture (Bill!?) thoughts >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > Other folks, chime in. >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> For North I'd love to see a talk on Ansible or zsh! :) >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> If not I guess I can watch the video replays... >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> I'm probably not a great source for identifying questions new >> >>> >> >> folks >> >>> >> >> would have, but I don't mind putting together a talk if some >> >>> >> >> want >> >>> to >> >>> >> >> raise questions. Some low-to-intermediate-level questions that >> >>> might >> >>> >> >> come up are: >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> * Tours of various desktop environments/etc. >> >>> >> >> * A comparison of various package managers/formats (I'd be >> >>> interested >> >>> >> >> in that one myself - I'm thinking capabilities/major design/etc >> >>> >> >> - >> >>> what >> >>> >> >> can rpm do that deb can't, etc) >> >>> >> >> * How to build a kernel >> >>> >> >> * X11 concepts (or for that matter Wayland) >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> -- >> >>> >> >> Rich >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> >>> >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >>> >> >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> >>> >> >> Announcements - >> >>> >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >>> >> >> General Discussion -- >> >>> >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> >>> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >>> >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> >>> >> Announcements - >> >>> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >>> >> General Discussion -- >> >>> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> >>> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >>> http://www.phillylinux.org >> >>> > Announcements - >> >>> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >>> > General Discussion -- >> >>> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> >>> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >>> http://www.phillylinux.org >> >>> Announcements - >> >>> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >>> General Discussion -- >> >>> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> Announcements - >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> General Discussion -- >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> > >> > ___________________________________________________________________________ >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> > Announcements - >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> > General Discussion -- >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > >> > >> > ___________________________________________________________________________ >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> > Announcements - >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> > General Discussion -- >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.netisland.net/pipermail/plug/attachments/20150616/33094b4c/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:37:21 -0400 >> From: JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org> >> To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List >> <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> >> Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG W and presos >> Message-ID: <55806CE1.1050201@jpsdomain.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Jumping back in time a bit: >> >> >> On 06/16/2015 07:39 AM, Jonathan Simpson wrote: >> > A bash and vim night seem like they could be a good combo topic, >> > although there is enough content to both to stand alone. >> >> My existing Bash 101 is about an hour, and can be more with lots of >> questions. >> >> After I sent the Vim post i did think about it some more, and I do >> wonder if an hour preso would be useful. The super basics take much >> less time, and the rest of it depends on the user's needs and interests. >> So lists of commands in slides is arguably boring except for the "I >> didn't know you could DO that" moments, but a demo only shows stuff the >> presenter knows how to do. Running `vimtutor` and just talking about >> stuff for an hour came to mind, but I don't know if that would be useful >> either. So this one may be harder than I first thought. >> >> > I'm probably going to get together a release party/installfest at the >> > next Ubuntu release this fall. >> >> The ideas floated were less formal. Basically, we *talk* about problems >> and t-shooting before the presos, so what about bringing stuff in and >> *doing* something about it instead? >> >> >> > I'm all for the kids stuff. Do we have a place to do it? >> >> I was thinking for the normal meetings. We've had at least 1 of mine >> and 2 of your kids there before, why not "take your kids to a PLUG >> meeting" day? But the topic would have to be at least kid-adjacent... >> :-) >> >> >> On 06/16/2015 07:52 AM, Jonathan Simpson wrote: >> ... >> > Linux from the CLI: to explore the basic CLI commands and beyond-basic >> > usage of them. I think a lot of folks used to GUI linux know what ls >> > and cp are for, but would possibly have an interest in more advanced >> > commands and piping them together. For me learning to string things >> > together was what took the CLI from a mundane chore when other things >> > were not working to a toolbox that made life easier. >> >> I like this idea! I cover a bit of that in bash 101: >> http://www.jpsdomain.org/public/2011_bash_101.pdf >> http://www.jpsdomain.org/public/2011_bash_101.odp >> >> But we've had some great Perl one-liner stuff from Walt in the past, and >> Paul's zsh one-liners. Maybe we need a bunch of folks to do lightning >> talks on bash one-liners? (PLUG Wiki?) >> >> Things like: do you know you can read and write to the clipboard from >> the command line? Do you know how AMAZINGLY useful that is? >> >> I alias gc (GetClip) and pc (PutClip) on any GUI system I use. So, I >> can get the top 10 most common IPAs from a column in a spreadsheet: >> $ gc | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn | head | pc >> >> ### Linux: >> $ sudo apt-get install xsel >> $ alias gc='xsel -b' >> $ alias pc='xsel -bi' >> >> ### Mac >> alias gc='pbpaste' >> alias pc='pbcopy' >> >> ### Windows >> ### Aliases and alternate shells are out-of-scope here, see: >> ### http://www.jpsdomain.org/windows/winshell.html >> ### and (no relation) http://jpsoft.com/ >> ### But... >> ### Get gclip.exe and pclip.exe from http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ >> ### I assume this is possible in PowerShell but I know nothing about that. >> >> >> >> On 06/16/2015 10:57 AM, Keith C. Perry wrote: >> > That's one tool but a networking person, even if you're not using Linux >> > routers and security devices, should be a comfort level with command and >> > control with the CLI. >> > >> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> > Keith C. Perry, MS E.E. >> > Owner, DAO Technologies LLC >> > (O) +1.215.525.4165 x2033 >> > (M) +1.215.432.5167 >> > www.daotechnologies.com >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Jonathan Simpson" <jonathan@jdsnetwork.com> >> > To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" >> > <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:50:07 AM >> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG W and presos >> > >> > Keith, >> > I just use this these days: https://guivbip.codeplex.com/ >> > >> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Keith C. Perry >> > <kperry@daotechnologies.com> wrote: >> >> I know its a more advanced topic but I wouldn't mind running a network >> >> "war >> >> game". One of the things I used to do when I was teaching more >> >> advanced >> >> networking courses was break the class up into groups and tell them to >> >> interconnect themselves. Basically go through the similar the process >> >> of >> >> building networks and peering. >> >> >> >> Then I tell them to try and gain intelligence (topology, running >> >> services, >> >> etc) on the other networks including any compromises they could muster. >> >> >> >> Good times as you can imagine. >> >> >> >> Obviously various security methods were learned but the other thing >> >> that >> >> came out was how hard it was to do a successful compromise when you >> >> know how >> >> to trap and trace attacks. >> >> >> >> For new Linux users especially those interested in networking, a >> >> workshop >> >> like this could help gain confidence in understanding what attacks look >> >> like, how to rate them (i.e. prioritize for action) and why things >> >> aren't >> >> nearly as easy to do as tv and film would have you believe. >> >> >> >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> >> Keith C. Perry, MS E.E. >> >> Owner, DAO Technologies LLC >> >> (O) +1.215.525.4165 x2033 >> >> (M) +1.215.432.5167 >> >> www.daotechnologies.com >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: "rachelneko" <rachelneko@gmail.com> >> >> To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" >> >> <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:13:18 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG W and presos >> >> >> >> I never got the impression that any PLUG folks were afraid of the >> >> command >> >> line, but this would be a great topic for outreach, or for a lightning >> >> talk >> >> night. Kinda like MJD's "What's in my ~/bin" with a bunch of us showing >> >> off >> >> a few small tricks and pipelines. >> >> >> >> On Jun 16, 2015 8:11 AM, "Anthony Martin" >> >> <anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Those are the type of topics we were considering teaching stuff that >> >>> is >> >>> actually relevant and useful in the workplace and also what life is >> >>> like >> >>> working with FLOSS. >> >>> >> >>> Anthony Martin >> >>> >> >>> Jr Linux System Administrator >> >>> >> >>> (M) 609-410-1168 >> >>> anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Jonathan Simpson >> >>> <jonathan@jdsnetwork.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> To get ahead of things I'll pitch this today at CoreDial. >> >>>> >> >>>> I know internally there is probably some interest. Some topics I >> >>>> think >> >>>> would be of interest... >> >>>> >> >>>> Linux from the CLI: to explore the basic CLI commands and >> >>>> beyond-basic >> >>>> usage of them. I think a lot of folks used to GUI linux know what ls >> >>>> and cp are for, but would possibly have an interest in more advanced >> >>>> commands and piping them together. For me learning to string things >> >>>> together was what took the CLI from a mundane chore when other things >> >>>> were not working to a toolbox that made life easier. >> >>>> >> >>>> Setting up a LAMP server: This is kind of my goto to get someone >> >>>> introduced to command line linux. It touches a lot of pieces and you >> >>>> can finish with a usable product, and it's pretty easy to take that >> >>>> usable product and continue to install a CMS on top of it to make it >> >>>> even more approachable. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Anthony Martin >> >>>> <anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> One thing I was discussing with Keith was the possibility of having >> >>>>> actual >> >>>>> classes at North on days other than the normal meetings. Going over >> >>>>> beginner >> >>>>> topics and some advanced topics. Would anyone be interested in this? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015, 7:40 AM Jonathan Simpson >> >>>>> <jonathan@jdsnetwork.com> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> A bash and vim night seem like they could be a good combo topic, >> >>>>>> although there is enough content to both to stand alone. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I'm probably going to get together a release party/installfest at >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> next Ubuntu release this fall. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I'm all for the kids stuff. Do we have a place to do it? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Jonathan Simpson >> >>>>>> <jsimpson@jdsnetwork.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> A bash and vim night seem like they could be a good combo topic, >> >>>>>>> although >> >>>>>>> there is enough content to both to stand alone. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I'm probably going to get together a release party/installfest at >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> next >> >>>>>>> Ubuntu release this fall. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I'm all for the kids stuff. Do we have a place to do it? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2015 6:46 AM, "Rich Freeman" >> >>>>>>> <r-plug@thefreemanclan.net> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 1:00 AM, JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Second, last night we were talking about presentations for >> >>>>>>>>> future >> >>>>>>>>> meetings and some of the things that came up are: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> * Mini install-fests >> >>>>>>>>> * Mini t-shooting clinics >> >>>>>>>>> * Perhaps some "kid friendly" topics for the summer? >> >>>>>>>>> * More beginner topics like: >> >>>>>>>>> * bash >> >>>>>>>>> * vim >> >>>>>>>>> * Maybe some network architecture (Bill!?) thoughts >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Other folks, chime in. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> For North I'd love to see a talk on Ansible or zsh! :) >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> If not I guess I can watch the video replays... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I'm probably not a great source for identifying questions new >> >>>>>>>> folks >> >>>>>>>> would have, but I don't mind putting together a talk if some want >> >>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>> raise questions. Some low-to-intermediate-level questions that >> >>>>>>>> might >> >>>>>>>> come up are: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * Tours of various desktop environments/etc. >> >>>>>>>> * A comparison of various package managers/formats (I'd be >> >>>>>>>> interested >> >>>>>>>> in that one myself - I'm thinking capabilities/major design/etc - >> >>>>>>>> what >> >>>>>>>> can rpm do that deb can't, etc) >> >>>>>>>> * How to build a kernel >> >>>>>>>> * X11 concepts (or for that matter Wayland) >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> plug mailing list >> plug@lists.phillylinux.org >> http://lists.netisland.net/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of plug Digest, Vol 127, Issue 21 >> ************************************* > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug