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And maybe a few hidden users and robots ;) --- KP- On Jun 16, 2015 3:44 PM, Jonathan Simpson <jonathan@jdsnetwork.com> wrote: > > After last Tuesday's PLUG, I think we all have users defined on your Pi. > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Chris Norton <chris@nortoninc.info> wrote: > > Rachel, > > > > I agree 100%, and would be glad to host the "games" on my Pi. Since I > > already have "users" defined. > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:37 PM <plug-request@lists.phillylinux.org> wrote: > >> > >> Send plug mailing list submissions to > >> plug@lists.phillylinux.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://lists.netisland.net/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> plug-request@lists.phillylinux.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> plug-owner@lists.phillylinux.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of plug digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: PLUG W and presos (Rachel Rawlings) > >> 2. Re: PLUG W and presos (JP Vossen) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:31:55 -0400 > >> From: Rachel Rawlings <rachelneko@gmail.com> > >> To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" > >> <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> > >> Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG W and presos > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> <CACta1dPXdeadgZ+Bj-5DStJg8qgxD54nFuS+GKFi0Qe9RLv5cg@mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Keith, > >> > >> When Paden had us all in his Raspberry Pi, it was a great reminder that > >> Linux as a multi-user system can be fun. Most of us are just alone on our > >> workstations and laptops, or maintaining multiuser servers where stability > >> and uptime are of utmost importance. (Not an xor) > >> > >> I think we should have a lab meeting that starts with multiuser, single > >> host communication and just general pranking, following the law of /most/ > >> surprise. Then we follow that wirh a session on hardening. > >> On Jun 16, 2015 10:34 AM, "Keith C. Perry" <kperry@daotechnologies.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > I know its a more advanced topic but I wouldn't mind running a network > >> > "war game". One of the things I used to do when I was teaching more > >> > advanced networking courses was break the class up into groups and tell > >> > them to interconnect themselves. Basically go through the similar the > >> > process of building networks and peering. > >> > > >> > Then I tell them to try and gain intelligence (topology, running > >> > services, > >> > etc) on the other networks including any compromises they could muster. > >> > > >> > Good times as you can imagine. > >> > > >> > Obviously various security methods were learned but the other thing that > >> > came out was how hard it was to do a successful compromise when you know > >> > how to trap and trace attacks. > >> > > >> > For new Linux users especially those interested in networking, a > >> > workshop > >> > like this could help gain confidence in understanding what attacks look > >> > like, how to rate them (i.e. prioritize for action) and why things > >> > aren't > >> > nearly as easy to do as tv and film would have you believe. > >> > > >> > > >> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >> > Keith C. Perry, MS E.E. > >> > Owner, DAO Technologies LLC > >> > (O) +1.215.525.4165 x2033 > >> > (M) +1.215.432.5167 > >> > www.daotechnologies.com > >> > > >> > ------------------------------ > >> > *From: *"rachelneko" <rachelneko@gmail.com> > >> > *To: *"Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" < > >> > plug@lists.phillylinux.org> > >> > *Sent: *Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:13:18 AM > >> > *Subject: *Re: [PLUG] PLUG W and presos > >> > > >> > I never got the impression that any PLUG folks were afraid of the > >> > command > >> > line, but this would be a great topic for outreach, or for a lightning > >> > talk > >> > night. Kinda like MJD's "What's in my ~/bin" with a bunch of us showing > >> > off > >> > a few small tricks and pipelines. > >> > On Jun 16, 2015 8:11 AM, "Anthony Martin" > >> > <anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Those are the type of topics we were considering teaching stuff that is > >> >> actually relevant and useful in the workplace and also what life is > >> >> like > >> >> working with FLOSS. > >> >> > >> >> Anthony Martin > >> >> > >> >> Jr Linux System Administrator > >> >> > >> >> (M) 609-410-1168 > >> >> anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Jonathan Simpson < > >> >> jonathan@jdsnetwork.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> To get ahead of things I'll pitch this today at CoreDial. > >> >>> > >> >>> I know internally there is probably some interest. Some topics I think > >> >>> would be of interest... > >> >>> > >> >>> Linux from the CLI: to explore the basic CLI commands and beyond-basic > >> >>> usage of them. I think a lot of folks used to GUI linux know what ls > >> >>> and cp are for, but would possibly have an interest in more advanced > >> >>> commands and piping them together. For me learning to string things > >> >>> together was what took the CLI from a mundane chore when other things > >> >>> were not working to a toolbox that made life easier. > >> >>> > >> >>> Setting up a LAMP server: This is kind of my goto to get someone > >> >>> introduced to command line linux. It touches a lot of pieces and you > >> >>> can finish with a usable product, and it's pretty easy to take that > >> >>> usable product and continue to install a CMS on top of it to make it > >> >>> even more approachable. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Anthony Martin > >> >>> <anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> > One thing I was discussing with Keith was the possibility of having > >> >>> actual > >> >>> > classes at North on days other than the normal meetings. Going over > >> >>> beginner > >> >>> > topics and some advanced topics. Would anyone be interested in this? > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015, 7:40 AM Jonathan Simpson < > >> >>> jonathan@jdsnetwork.com> > >> >>> > wrote: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> A bash and vim night seem like they could be a good combo topic, > >> >>> >> although there is enough content to both to stand alone. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> I'm probably going to get together a release party/installfest at > >> >>> >> the > >> >>> >> next Ubuntu release this fall. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> I'm all for the kids stuff. Do we have a place to do it? > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Jonathan Simpson > >> >>> >> <jsimpson@jdsnetwork.com> wrote: > >> >>> >> > A bash and vim night seem like they could be a good combo topic, > >> >>> >> > although > >> >>> >> > there is enough content to both to stand alone. > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > I'm probably going to get together a release party/installfest at > >> >>> the > >> >>> >> > next > >> >>> >> > Ubuntu release this fall. > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > I'm all for the kids stuff. Do we have a place to do it? > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > On Jun 16, 2015 6:46 AM, "Rich Freeman" > >> >>> >> > <r-plug@thefreemanclan.net> > >> >>> >> > wrote: > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 1:00 AM, JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>> >> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > Second, last night we were talking about presentations for > >> >>> >> >> > future > >> >>> >> >> > meetings and some of the things that came up are: > >> >>> >> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > * Mini install-fests > >> >>> >> >> > * Mini t-shooting clinics > >> >>> >> >> > * Perhaps some "kid friendly" topics for the summer? > >> >>> >> >> > * More beginner topics like: > >> >>> >> >> > * bash > >> >>> >> >> > * vim > >> >>> >> >> > * Maybe some network architecture (Bill!?) thoughts > >> >>> >> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > Other folks, chime in. > >> >>> >> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> For North I'd love to see a talk on Ansible or zsh! :) > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> If not I guess I can watch the video replays... > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> I'm probably not a great source for identifying questions new > >> >>> >> >> folks > >> >>> >> >> would have, but I don't mind putting together a talk if some > >> >>> >> >> want > >> >>> to > >> >>> >> >> raise questions. Some low-to-intermediate-level questions that > >> >>> might > >> >>> >> >> come up are: > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> * Tours of various desktop environments/etc. > >> >>> >> >> * A comparison of various package managers/formats (I'd be > >> >>> interested > >> >>> >> >> in that one myself - I'm thinking capabilities/major design/etc > >> >>> >> >> - > >> >>> what > >> >>> >> >> can rpm do that deb can't, etc) > >> >>> >> >> * How to build a kernel > >> >>> >> >> * X11 concepts (or for that matter Wayland) > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> -- > >> >>> >> >> Rich > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> > >> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ > >> >>> >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > >> >>> >> >> http://www.phillylinux.org > >> >>> >> >> Announcements - > >> >>> >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > >> >>> >> >> General Discussion -- > >> >>> >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> > >> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ > >> >>> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > >> >>> >> http://www.phillylinux.org > >> >>> >> Announcements - > >> >>> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > >> >>> >> General Discussion -- > >> >>> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ > >> >>> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > >> >>> http://www.phillylinux.org > >> >>> > Announcements - > >> >>> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > >> >>> > General Discussion -- > >> >>> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ > >> >>> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > >> >>> http://www.phillylinux.org > >> >>> Announcements - > >> >>> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > >> >>> General Discussion -- > >> >>> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ > >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > >> >> http://www.phillylinux.org > >> >> Announcements - > >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > >> >> General Discussion -- > >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > ___________________________________________________________________________ > >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > >> > http://www.phillylinux.org > >> > Announcements - > >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > >> > General Discussion -- > >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > > >> > > >> > ___________________________________________________________________________ > >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > >> > http://www.phillylinux.org > >> > Announcements - > >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > >> > General Discussion -- > >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > > >> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > >> <http://lists.netisland.net/pipermail/plug/attachments/20150616/33094b4c/attachment.html> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:37:21 -0400 > >> From: JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org> > >> To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List > >> <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> > >> Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG W and presos > >> Message-ID: <55806CE1.1050201@jpsdomain.org> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> > >> Jumping back in time a bit: > >> > >> > >> On 06/16/2015 07:39 AM, Jonathan Simpson wrote: > >> > A bash and vim night seem like they could be a good combo topic, > >> > although there is enough content to both to stand alone. > >> > >> My existing Bash 101 is about an hour, and can be more with lots of > >> questions. > >> > >> After I sent the Vim post i did think about it some more, and I do > >> wonder if an hour preso would be useful. The super basics take much > >> less time, and the rest of it depends on the user's needs and interests. > >> So lists of commands in slides is arguably boring except for the "I > >> didn't know you could DO that" moments, but a demo only shows stuff the > >> presenter knows how to do. Running `vimtutor` and just talking about > >> stuff for an hour came to mind, but I don't know if that would be useful > >> either. So this one may be harder than I first thought. > >> > >> > I'm probably going to get together a release party/installfest at the > >> > next Ubuntu release this fall. > >> > >> The ideas floated were less formal. Basically, we *talk* about problems > >> and t-shooting before the presos, so what about bringing stuff in and > >> *doing* something about it instead? > >> > >> > >> > I'm all for the kids stuff. Do we have a place to do it? > >> > >> I was thinking for the normal meetings. We've had at least 1 of mine > >> and 2 of your kids there before, why not "take your kids to a PLUG > >> meeting" day? But the topic would have to be at least kid-adjacent... > >> :-) > >> > >> > >> On 06/16/2015 07:52 AM, Jonathan Simpson wrote: > >> ... > >> > Linux from the CLI: to explore the basic CLI commands and beyond-basic > >> > usage of them. I think a lot of folks used to GUI linux know what ls > >> > and cp are for, but would possibly have an interest in more advanced > >> > commands and piping them together. For me learning to string things > >> > together was what took the CLI from a mundane chore when other things > >> > were not working to a toolbox that made life easier. > >> > >> I like this idea! I cover a bit of that in bash 101: > >> http://www.jpsdomain.org/public/2011_bash_101.pdf > >> http://www.jpsdomain.org/public/2011_bash_101.odp > >> > >> But we've had some great Perl one-liner stuff from Walt in the past, and > >> Paul's zsh one-liners. Maybe we need a bunch of folks to do lightning > >> talks on bash one-liners? (PLUG Wiki?) > >> > >> Things like: do you know you can read and write to the clipboard from > >> the command line? Do you know how AMAZINGLY useful that is? > >> > >> I alias gc (GetClip) and pc (PutClip) on any GUI system I use. So, I > >> can get the top 10 most common IPAs from a column in a spreadsheet: > >> $ gc | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn | head | pc > >> > >> ### Linux: > >> $ sudo apt-get install xsel > >> $ alias gc='xsel -b' > >> $ alias pc='xsel -bi' > >> > >> ### Mac > >> alias gc='pbpaste' > >> alias pc='pbcopy' > >> > >> ### Windows > >> ### Aliases and alternate shells are out-of-scope here, see: > >> ### http://www.jpsdomain.org/windows/winshell.html > >> ### and (no relation) http://jpsoft.com/ > >> ### But... > >> ### Get gclip.exe and pclip.exe from http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ > >> ### I assume this is possible in PowerShell but I know nothing about that. > >> > >> > >> > >> On 06/16/2015 10:57 AM, Keith C. Perry wrote: > >> > That's one tool but a networking person, even if you're not using Linux > >> > routers and security devices, should be a comfort level with command and > >> > control with the CLI. > >> > > >> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >> > Keith C. Perry, MS E.E. > >> > Owner, DAO Technologies LLC > >> > (O) +1.215.525.4165 x2033 > >> > (M) +1.215.432.5167 > >> > www.daotechnologies.com > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Jonathan Simpson" <jonathan@jdsnetwork.com> > >> > To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" > >> > <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:50:07 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG W and presos > >> > > >> > Keith, > >> > I just use this these days: https://guivbip.codeplex.com/ > >> > > >> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Keith C. Perry > >> > <kperry@daotechnologies.com> wrote: > >> >> I know its a more advanced topic but I wouldn't mind running a network > >> >> "war > >> >> game". One of the things I used to do when I was teaching more > >> >> advanced > >> >> networking courses was break the class up into groups and tell them to > >> >> interconnect themselves. Basically go through the similar the process > >> >> of > >> >> building networks and peering. > >> >> > >> >> Then I tell them to try and gain intelligence (topology, running > >> >> services, > >> >> etc) on the other networks including any compromises they could muster. > >> >> > >> >> Good times as you can imagine. > >> >> > >> >> Obviously various security methods were learned but the other thing > >> >> that > >> >> came out was how hard it was to do a successful compromise when you > >> >> know how > >> >> to trap and trace attacks. > >> >> > >> >> For new Linux users especially those interested in networking, a > >> >> workshop > >> >> like this could help gain confidence in understanding what attacks look > >> >> like, how to rate them (i.e. prioritize for action) and why things > >> >> aren't > >> >> nearly as easy to do as tv and film would have you believe. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > >> >> Keith C. Perry, MS E.E. > >> >> Owner, DAO Technologies LLC > >> >> (O) +1.215.525.4165 x2033 > >> >> (M) +1.215.432.5167 > >> >> www.daotechnologies.com > >> >> > >> >> ________________________________ > >> >> From: "rachelneko" <rachelneko@gmail.com> > >> >> To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" > >> >> <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:13:18 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG W and presos > >> >> > >> >> I never got the impression that any PLUG folks were afraid of the > >> >> command > >> >> line, but this would be a great topic for outreach, or for a lightning > >> >> talk > >> >> night. Kinda like MJD's "What's in my ~/bin" with a bunch of us showing > >> >> off > >> >> a few small tricks and pipelines. > >> >> > >> >> On Jun 16, 2015 8:11 AM, "Anthony Martin" > >> >> <anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Those are the type of topics we were considering teaching stuff that > >> >>> is > >> >>> actually relevant and useful in the workplace and also what life is > >> >>> like > >> >>> working with FLOSS. > >> >>> > >> >>> Anthony Martin > >> >>> > >> >>> Jr Linux System Administrator > >> >>> > >> >>> (M) 609-410-1168 > >> >>> anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Jonathan Simpson > >> >>> <jonathan@jdsnetwork.com> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> To get ahead of things I'll pitch this today at CoreDial. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I know internally there is probably some interest. Some topics I > >> >>>> think > >> >>>> would be of interest... > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Linux from the CLI: to explore the basic CLI commands and > >> >>>> beyond-basic > >> >>>> usage of them. I think a lot of folks used to GUI linux know what ls > >> >>>> and cp are for, but would possibly have an interest in more advanced > >> >>>> commands and piping them together. For me learning to string things > >> >>>> together was what took the CLI from a mundane chore when other things > >> >>>> were not working to a toolbox that made life easier. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Setting up a LAMP server: This is kind of my goto to get someone > >> >>>> introduced to command line linux. It touches a lot of pieces and you > >> >>>> can finish with a usable product, and it's pretty easy to take that > >> >>>> usable product and continue to install a CMS on top of it to make it > >> >>>> even more approachable. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Anthony Martin > >> >>>> <anthony.j.martin142@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>>> One thing I was discussing with Keith was the possibility of having > >> >>>>> actual > >> >>>>> classes at North on days other than the normal meetings. Going over > >> >>>>> beginner > >> >>>>> topics and some advanced topics. Would anyone be interested in this? > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015, 7:40 AM Jonathan Simpson > >> >>>>> <jonathan@jdsnetwork.com> > >> >>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> A bash and vim night seem like they could be a good combo topic, > >> >>>>>> although there is enough content to both to stand alone. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> I'm probably going to get together a release party/installfest at > >> >>>>>> the > >> >>>>>> next Ubuntu release this fall. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> I'm all for the kids stuff. Do we have a place to do it? > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Jonathan Simpson > >> >>>>>> <jsimpson@jdsnetwork.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>> A bash and vim night seem like they could be a good combo topic, > >> >>>>>>> although > >> >>>>>>> there is enough content to both to stand alone. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> I'm probably going to get together a release party/installfest at > >> >>>>>>> the > >> >>>>>>> next > >> >>>>>>> Ubuntu release this fall. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> I'm all for the kids stuff. Do we have a place to do it? > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2015 6:46 AM, "Rich Freeman" > >> >>>>>>> <r-plug@thefreemanclan.net> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 1:00 AM, JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org> > >> >>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Second, last night we were talking about presentations for > >> >>>>>>>>> future > >> >>>>>>>>> meetings and some of the things that came up are: > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> * Mini install-fests > >> >>>>>>>>> * Mini t-shooting clinics > >> >>>>>>>>> * Perhaps some "kid friendly" topics for the summer? > >> >>>>>>>>> * More beginner topics like: > >> >>>>>>>>> * bash > >> >>>>>>>>> * vim > >> >>>>>>>>> * Maybe some network architecture (Bill!?) thoughts > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Other folks, chime in. > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> For North I'd love to see a talk on Ansible or zsh! :) > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> If not I guess I can watch the video replays... > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> I'm probably not a great source for identifying questions new > >> >>>>>>>> folks > >> >>>>>>>> would have, but I don't mind putting together a talk if some want > >> >>>>>>>> to > >> >>>>>>>> raise questions. Some low-to-intermediate-level questions that > >> >>>>>>>> might > >> >>>>>>>> come up are: > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> * Tours of various desktop environments/etc. > >> >>>>>>>> * A comparison of various package managers/formats (I'd be > >> >>>>>>>> interested > >> >>>>>>>> in that one myself - I'm thinking capabilities/major design/etc - > >> >>>>>>>> what > >> >>>>>>>> can rpm do that deb can't, etc) > >> >>>>>>>> * How to build a kernel > >> >>>>>>>> * X11 concepts (or for that matter Wayland) > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Subject: Digest Footer > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> plug mailing list > >> plug@lists.phillylinux.org > >> http://lists.netisland.net/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of plug Digest, Vol 127, Issue 21 > >> ************************************* > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug