Keith C. Perry on 9 Nov 2015 08:37:31 -0800

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Re: [PLUG] Suggestion for covering open source project's history before 8:00

I have to say it's good to see people wanting to hear history and the motivations for the why things are done at any one time.  I'm a bit of a stickler for this since I find that in all areas of life people, tend to do things without having a grasp on the context of the knowledge they are applying.  Understanding is the application of knowledge but applying knowledge without context can lead to bad behavior.  The only way to self-correct is to constantly challenge the current understanding to see if we can do "better".

So, +1 across the board for me on this too.  

Each location runs a bit different but intros are important.  I'm absolutely horrible with names but I never forget a face.  We haven't been consistent with this at Central so I'm going to try to remember to bring it up.  Whenever and wherever I do talks / instruction, I do provide my contact info and mention that I am a consultant.  Having a context on the speaker help to understand where they are coming from.  Personally, I have a business need for such information because I never know what I may be asked for.

(I'm going to be bringing up a project idea I'm working on that PLUG would be important to starting at tomorrow's North meeting).

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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Suggestion for covering open source project's history before 8:00

+1 for always taking time to discuss history and WHY

+1 for history before the talk

+1 for intros just before the talk.  Personally, I'd like to see
name tags too, just to make it easier to tie names on the
mailing list with faces.  We're all nerds, right?  Are ANY of
us good with names.  I know I'm not!

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On 11/7/15 1:13 AM, JP Vossen wrote:
> +1 for that idea.
> I'd also like to propose that attendee introductions wait until right
> before the preso, which is what we do at North, but not West and I dunno
> about Central.  But when we do them too early at West latecomers miss them.
> It might also be good to include in the intros some clue about
> experience and skill-levels for the topic, which may help the presenter
> tailor the presentation a bit.  It might not too, odds are good there
> will be some utter newbies and some experts for any given topic.  Still...
> Finally, OK, I'll bite.  Why *did* RH really acquire CentOS?
> On 11/07/2015 12:19 AM, Mike DePaulo wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>> As we've been discussing in other threads, it is very valuable to talk
>> about an open source project's history, or the history of prior
>> projects, during a plug talk.
>> However, this makes the talk last more than 1 hour.
>> Since all 3 locations have people typically arriving at 7:00, but the
>> talk starts at 8:00, how about we give the presenter the option of
>> covering the history from either 7:30 to 8:00 or 7:45 to 8:00?
>> Then at 8:00 there would be a brief refresher on the history for those
>> walking in, or eating noms outside the classroom at plug north.
>> The recording could begin at 8:00, or earlier if the presenter prefers.
>> Personally, I am going to finish preparing my 1-hour long fedora talk
>> for 10/10/2015 with only 1 or 2 slides on Fedora's history. (Where
>> history == prior to the last ~4 years; when many cool things have
>> happened and many challenges have arisen (cough: "why did Red Hat really
>> acquire CentOS?")). Then I'll see if I have time to prepare 15-30
>> minutes of history.
> Later,
> JP
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