| Steve Litt on 2 Aug 2018 13:28:29 -0700 |
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| Re: [PLUG] People can't stop trashing systemd without reading the docs, you won't believe what happens next! (WAS: LINUX ADMIN ADVICE) |
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:19:09 -0400 brent timothy saner <brent.saner@gmail.com> wrote: > On 08/01/2018 02:06 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:59 PM Charlie Li <ml+PLUG@vishwin.info> > > wrote: > >> > >> On 01/08/2018 13:51, Rich Freeman wrote: > >>> But, hey, all you have to do is reboot the OS every time your > >>> network drops... :) > >>> > >> We have a service to reset the network interfaces automagically > >> now. Next. > > > > And how does that service know what else needs to be done when the > > interfaces are reset? Or is that a bunch of manual shell scripts, > > so that you have to basically express the same dependencies in > > multiple places? :) > > > > don't mind me, just fixing the subject. Reading the docs is exactly why I refuse to use systemd. Systemd is so complex and entangled that still, after all these years, nobody has been able to draw a block diagram of systemd, with both boxes representing processes and lines representing interactions. Here's a block diagram of Daemontools, which is essentially identical to Stage 2 of runit or s6: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/daemontools_intro.htm#daemontools_mental_model Stage 1 of runit is essentially "call an rc script", as is stage 3 (shutdown). I tolerate complexity in my car because that complexity enables an almost doubling of gas mileage and smog reduction beyond that. Systemd has no such compelling benefit (unless you make your living consulting on systemd). SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug