Re: [PLUG] Open Source Alternative to OnApp

[JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org>]

On 12/4/18 11:23 AM, John Von Essen wrote:
> Cool, so ProxMox does support SDS, then? I was going through their online FAQs and Docs and couldnt quite determine that.

There's some reading between the lines, but:
* https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Hyper-converged_Infrastructure
* https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Storage
* See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-converged_infrastructure

Others I found:
1. Cloudstack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_CloudStack
	1. Yuck, JAVA!
	2. HCI does NOT jump out at me
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OVirt
	1. Yuck, JAVA!
	2. And too limited
	3. Does HCI though: 
https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/gluster-hyperconverged/Gluster_Hyperconverged_Guide/
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNebula
	1. Some Java
	2. HCI as an add-on: https://opennebula.org/ecosystem/nodeweaver/
4. Like AWS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucalyptus_(software)
	1. Java


> Does Apache CloudStack offer SDS?

I was looking for "HCI" and that does NOT jump out at me.


> > On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:09 PM, JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 12/2/18 9:17 AM, John Von Essen wrote:
> > > So I recently demo’d OnApp for full suite cloud services mgmt (i.e. end user GUI for building/booting/rebooting/console/etc), in particular I was interested in the software designed storage (SDS) aspect where you build a distributed SAN across your compute nodes, so each compute node has a decent number of SSDs, and a dedicated 10G NIC for storage.
> > > The product is very nice, but its prohibitively expensive, the per core licensing makes it impossible to really make any money from it at an ISP/MSP level especially if you are trying to price your VMs competitively.
> > > I know there are open source alternatives that give you the end user GUI features, but do any of them offer the software defined storage capability?
> > > If I cant find that, the alternative is to just go back to the normal model of a separate iSCSI SAN (built on commodity hardware). Technically at large enough scale and proper planning this model might be on-par with the SDS model, though the SDS gets you more redundancy and maybe more IOPS. But the SDS is much better for a small build out of the gate.
> >
> > That sounds a lot like my "Virtualization clusters & shared storage" thread from 2018-08, starting http://lists.netisland.net/archives/plug/plug-2018-08/msg00049.html.
> >
> > The "shared SAN" SDS concept is part of HCI (HyperConverged Infrastructure).
> >
> > In particular, Proxmox does all that.
Later,
JP
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