Frank via plug on 7 Jan 2024 09:05:06 -0800

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Re: [PLUG] Linux install-a-thon?

You know, I didn't even think about the Google data harvesters as computers, but I think you're correct.  I think that most non-computer-ized people probably do just buy these cheap data trackers these days.

It's such a shame.  I closed my business last year, and I had to dump more than 30 completely working computers just because nobody wanted them.  I can't even begin to imagine the number of perfectly functional computers being tossed into landfills every day (many, just because they don't run Windows v.**).  I also can't imagine having everything I do on my devices recorded by Google/Apple and sold to the highest bidder (but I know that 99.99% of people today don't care about that either).

Oh well, I appreciate everybody's consideration of my idea!

- Frank

On 1/7/24 10:55 AM, Rich Freeman via plug wrote:
On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 10:46 AM Walt Mankowski via plug
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The computing world is different now than it was 10-15 years ago.
Today everyone carries around a computer in their pocket. Plus there
are Chromebooks for school and $80 netbooks at Micro Center. I think a
lot of people who were using the Debian boxes we built back in the day
might be better served today with a commodity Android phone.

Agree with this sentiment.  I'd be happy to volunteer with the install
part, but we should definitely first make sure that there is a need.

Also, if somebody knows nothing about computers, a $100 chromebook
might be a more maintainable option.  They're just way more resistant
to shooting yourself in the foot and they're very secure out of the

On Sun, Jan 07, 2024 at 10:09:23AM -0500, K.S. Bhaskar via plug wrote:
    - Promote virtually, but have an in-person installfest. Having installed
    Linux on (I guesstimate) at least 100 old Windows machines, one out of
    every 3-4 machines has some wrinkle to overcome before getting a successful
    install. Fortunately device drivers are no longer the problem on Linux that
    they used to be. You can't overcome these wrinkles remotely.
If it takes one of us an hour of fidgeting to get some 10 year old
laptop to boot up in Ubuntu (or heaven forbid one of our favorite
niche distros), what is going to happen when there is a software
update or some other issue that breaks it after we hand it off?  I'd
say that if a PC can't automagically install Ubuntu it is effectively
ewaste for anybody but an enthusiast who intends to use it in some
project.  You want to give something supportable to the end user.

That's the other reason something like a Chromebook is a better
option.  It has full OEM support and a hardware EOL date.  For $100
you get a laptop that isn't going to break for 5 years or so, with a
vendor doing full QA on that model to ensure that is the case.

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