Re: next talk after Clojure?

[Scott Fraser <Scott.E.Fraser@gmail.com>]

Thanks for pointing that out Steve.

I never quite got why Miguel and friends did Mono, especially
considering at the start of the project they had no support from
Microsoft. Nice to have Mono in the world, but not sure of the long
term value now with the GPL'ing of Java. However I think Microsoft did
submit some of the CLR to a standards body, no?

I personally see the .NET stack to be tainted, and therefore anything
built on top of it potentially crippled by that taint.

The big value I see in .NET and the CLR is the competition it provides
to the rest of the world, and that is always good. At the least it is
good news and relevant to this group that Microsoft is investing in
functional programming. So if they add some VM support for things like
tailcall, that will pressure the Java community to counter, and this
group will win!

-Scott

On Nov 13, 7:27 am, "Steve Eichert" <steve.eich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> While I don't expect to change your opinion of anything Microsoft being
> "pure evil" it is worth mentioning that F# does run on Mono.  For those of
> you unfamiliar with Mono it's a "cross platform, open source .NET
> development framework."  Perhaps that makes it less of an "EPIC FAIL"?www.mono-project.com
>
> ~ Steve
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Scott Fraser <Scott.E.Fra...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > +1 for F#, despite it being the spawn of pure evil. I just want to
> > know what the enemy is up to.
>
> > Also be nice to cover the the differences at the VM level - does the
> > current .NET runtime have better support than the JVM for functional
> > languages? Tail call instructions? etc...
>
> > (for examplehttp://blogs.sun.com/jrose/entry/tail_calls_in_the_vm)
>
> > In my book any functional language, BECAUSE it is on and unique to a
> > Microsoft managed runtime, is automatic EPIC FAIL. But that being said
> > Microsoft has been trying to make some interesting moves with .NET
> > (Silverlight's support for Smalltalk, Ruby, Python, etc...) so it's
> > worth checking out just to be aware.
>
> > -Scott
>
> > On Nov 10, 3:17 pm, "Toby DiPasquale" <codeslin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Kyle R. Burton <kyle.bur...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > I know its a .NET language, but reading
> > > >http://spotless-spots.blogspot.com/2008/11/why-i-like-f.htmlhasgot
> > > > me interested in seeing F# in action by an experienced .NET developer.
>
> > > > Does anyone have enough experience to give a talk and demonstration on
> > > > F#?  Or know someone from outside the group we could invite to do it?
>
> > > > Are others in the group interested in F# enough to have it be a Philly
> > > > Lambda talk?
>
> > > I'd sure be interested in seeing an F# talk. Can't give, as I have no
> > > .NET experience or anything like that, but love to hear what all the
> > > fuss is about.
>
> > > --
> > > Toby DiPasquale
>
>