Re: next talk after Clojure?

["Jonathan Tran" <jonnytran@gmail.com>]

What is this "taint" you're talking about?  The fact that it's mainly
single-platform?


On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Scott Fraser <Scott.E.Fraser@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for pointing that out Steve.
>
> I never quite got why Miguel and friends did Mono, especially
> considering at the start of the project they had no support from
> Microsoft. Nice to have Mono in the world, but not sure of the long
> term value now with the GPL'ing of Java. However I think Microsoft did
> submit some of the CLR to a standards body, no?
>
> I personally see the .NET stack to be tainted, and therefore anything
> built on top of it potentially crippled by that taint.
>
> The big value I see in .NET and the CLR is the competition it provides
> to the rest of the world, and that is always good. At the least it is
> good news and relevant to this group that Microsoft is investing in
> functional programming. So if they add some VM support for things like
> tailcall, that will pressure the Java community to counter, and this
> group will win!
>
> -Scott
>
> On Nov 13, 7:27 am, "Steve Eichert" <steve.eich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> While I don't expect to change your opinion of anything Microsoft being
>> "pure evil" it is worth mentioning that F# does run on Mono.  For those of
>> you unfamiliar with Mono it's a "cross platform, open source .NET
>> development framework."  Perhaps that makes it less of an "EPIC FAIL"?www.mono-project.com
>>
>> ~ Steve
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Scott Fraser <Scott.E.Fra...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > +1 for F#, despite it being the spawn of pure evil. I just want to
>> > know what the enemy is up to.
>>
>> > Also be nice to cover the the differences at the VM level - does the
>> > current .NET runtime have better support than the JVM for functional
>> > languages? Tail call instructions? etc...
>>
>> > (for examplehttp://blogs.sun.com/jrose/entry/tail_calls_in_the_vm)
>>
>> > In my book any functional language, BECAUSE it is on and unique to a
>> > Microsoft managed runtime, is automatic EPIC FAIL. But that being said
>> > Microsoft has been trying to make some interesting moves with .NET
>> > (Silverlight's support for Smalltalk, Ruby, Python, etc...) so it's
>> > worth checking out just to be aware.
>>
>> > -Scott
>>
>> > On Nov 10, 3:17 pm, "Toby DiPasquale" <codeslin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Kyle R. Burton <kyle.bur...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > > I know its a .NET language, but reading
>> > > >http://spotless-spots.blogspot.com/2008/11/why-i-like-f.htmlhasgot
>> > > > me interested in seeing F# in action by an experienced .NET developer.
>>
>> > > > Does anyone have enough experience to give a talk and demonstration on
>> > > > F#?  Or know someone from outside the group we could invite to do it?
>>
>> > > > Are others in the group interested in F# enough to have it be a Philly
>> > > > Lambda talk?
>>
>> > > I'd sure be interested in seeing an F# talk. Can't give, as I have no
>> > > .NET experience or anything like that, but love to hear what all the
>> > > fuss is about.
>>
>> > > --
>> > > Toby DiPasquale
>>
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