Brian Donahue on 18 Sep 2007 21:11:45 -0000

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Re: [PhillyOnRails] Ruby-Presenters and Non-ruby presenters?

Expanding on the TDD topic, if I may boldly suggest work for others :)  The biggest obstacle for me in really digging into Rails is that I come from a Java (long ago) and C# (now) background and have been influenced by the "Double-Ds:"  Domain Driven Design, Behavior Driven Design, and Test Driven Design/Development.  I have a pretty good understanding of how to apply these approaches in my familiar strongly typed, compiled languages, but when I sit down with Rails I get mired in the ActiveRecord and Controller implementations and feel like I start to write very procedural, unpretty code.   I would like to see a real-world "enterprisey" (by that I just mean that it has more complex logic than a blog or some such) examples that show how the various layers, especially domain models/logic, are abstracted (or not) and why. 

Perhaps that can be boiled down to this:  I don't usually want my business objects coupled tightly to my DB tables a la Active Record, and I'm not sure if that is a good habit, that I can continue in Rails, or if it's just that I haven't grokked a different/better approach using Rails.

On 9/18/07, Mat Schaffer <> wrote:
Wow... Are we gonna need a vote to narrow it down to two next month?

On Sep 18, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:

> For any future meeting, I'm willing to do a presentation on
> Login/Authentication, touching on plugins, which would be
> beginner-ish.
> Thanks,
>       Aaron
> On 9/18/07, Mat Schaffer <> wrote:
>> First, awesome PubNite last night!  Glad everyone came out and I hope
>> everyone had as good a time as I did.
>> Second, it's about time to round up presenters for October.  Anyone
>> interested?  I'm considering doing an introductory level TDD
>> presentation (TDD basics, Test::Unit tricks, Rails integration
>> tests), so let me know if anyone's interested in that.
>> Also, I got a note from the PHP Meetup group awhile back asking about
>> cross-presenting.  Anyone interested in a PHP framework (Symfony,
>> CodeIgniter, Zend Framework) presentation as one of the october
>> presentations?
>> Thanks all,
>> Mat
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