Cliff Moon on 19 Sep 2007 14:32:35 -0000

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Re: [PhillyOnRails] Ruby-Presenters and Non-ruby presenters?

It's also important to remember that in a lot of circles Ruby has a
stigma of being unscalable.  The sentiment mostly stems from folks
confusing scalability with performance, but some stigmas die hard. 
After all, there are people who still think that Java is slow.

Walter Lee Davis wrote:
> In my own experience, as a mostly-PHP developer, I have a tremendous
> amount of respect and envy for the Rails environment. And I do know a
> lot about ActiveRecord, and also how hard it is to implement cleanly
> in PHP. Look at all the various Rails clones out there that struggle
> mightily to do what seems to come naturally in Ruby.
> I think that many of the people who have knocked on the Rails door,
> but not come in, are still busy with PHP and either afraid of the Ruby
> learning curve or mired in legacy code without a financial incentive
> to move forward. I know that every time I try something in Rails, it
> gets a little harder to go back to my "regular" work. Kind of like how
> visiting San Francisco is for me...
> Walter
> On Sep 19, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Mat Schaffer wrote:
>> On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:55 PM, Flinn Mueller wrote:
>>> I find that PHP users don't understand Rails because much of it
>>> depends on understanding the Active Record design pattern, ORM and
>>> object persistence.  Some of you know I recently took a position as
>>> a PHP developer ( I hate even saying that).  As a Rubyist for the
>>> last 2 years I've been running into some issues trying to apply
>>> Railsish concepts (aka best practices) in a PHP environment.
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