Roger Scudder on Sun, 10 Jan 1999 03:53:14 -0500 (EST) |
On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, Rebecca Ore wrote: > On Sat, Jan 09, 1999 at 03:18:11PM -0500, Roger Scudder wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, Rebecca Ore wrote: > > > > I think it is safe to say that we have all been in the position of > > being a confused, neophyte. I did my first Linux install not long > > after getting my first PC. If it had not been for the lengthy chats > > I had with Chris McKeen at World One BBS (one of the first Bulletin > > Board Systems in DelCo to run Linux) who patiently answered my > > endless questions, I may have been denied that wonderful early > > experience with Linux. > > I installed my first Linux RedHat up to the command-line without any > help at all. Chris Fearnley helped tremendously in getting X started > and configured. My first install was... I believe it was called SLS or something.. anyway it was pre 1.0 kernel. I am pretty sure RedHat didn't exist yet. People complain about the state of the documentation now, it was quite a bit worse then. What happened to me was I had downloaded a set of install images and tried numerous times to get them to install. Obviously it just wasn't going to happen. I was unaware of the CD distros and didn't even have a CD drive (they were rather new and expensive at the time). Then I met Chris who turned me on to MDW's Install and Getting started, a set of working disk images, and of course the midnight chats about *NIX. I got X, PPP, and everything else running without any help. BTW, I'm still an old FVWM tweaker, but the Gnome stuff looks B A D so I will likely move to it. > I work for netaxs now and bite people who bite newbies or psuedo newbies > as a professional courtesy. Cool... hey, if you bite me I promise I'll bark like a dog... honest... for real though, what is a psuedo newbie? > > at ease with the a GUI configuration system. Then there are those who, > > for one reason or other, are more comfortable with a text based interface. > > It is not unusual for those among the latter to actually find the GUI > > intimidating. Your words suggest that you assume all Linux novices to > > be among the former. Rather than make assumptions about the questioner > > I requested specific information about the question. > > Did he email both of us? One thing I do in groups is try to catch > newbies and help them before the turbo studs chomp them. I've also had "Turbo Studs"? hehehe... believe me, I am far removed from being one of them. > someone tell me things that were undo-able, as the programmer who wrote > the program said to me in email. The beauty part was when the guy who'd > condescended to me asked a question. I answered it, correctly, having > installed precisely those plugins in the same program he'd misadvised me > on. He did't want to hear it from me and asked again. The whole group > must have had the same opinion of him as I did. Nobody else answered. > I explained it again. He tried it, it worked, and he did have the grace > to thank me. > > > > > > For programmers to expect programming skills of everyone smacks of > > > immaturity or the sort of ridiculousness that some artists display when > > > they say that the only people who count in society are artists and > > > everyone else should go away (yes, there are artists who are as arrogant > > > as programmers, with better justification as the money on the > > > top is much better and most artists are better gardeners and cooks than > > > programmers and have better taste in clothes). > > > > Hmmm... interesting insight. You should note that making generalized > > statements about groups also smacks of immaturity... at best. There > > may well be some truth in these words, however it is overshadowed by a > > tone of hostility and prejudice. Words can be like swords. Be careful > > how you wield them. > > > > If I could make more than 20K a book wielding them other than how I > wield them, I would. Well, you could always switch to writing romance novels. I confess I was not aware of your work, but I haven't read sf in over 10 years. I will make it a point to read some of your stuff in the near future. btw, I was a child artist too. By the time I was 16 I had an impressive portfolio and hopes for a career in the fine arts. About that time I discovered heroin which changed my life dramatically. > > Now you're rewriting history. Please show me at what point I attempted > > to teach him a "moderate skill level". The only person making any > > attacks here is you. > > No, I'm teasing you. I'm the resident despammer scum on the Freedom > Knights list, so I know an attack when I see one, but perhaps you don't. yeah, whatever.... it was the closest thing to an attack that happened on THIS list since I started reading last week. :-p [many lines about RO's involvement in development projects trimmed ] > I got tired of people assuming always that I was doing > something wrong because I was female, non-programmer, fifty-years old, > etc. If the intention is to provide good working code with boundary > conditions for systems it works on specified in configure, then I'm your > beta tester. If you want to provide code that needs to be massaged to > get it to compile -- cool, I'll let you know you succeeded on that, too. > And, while I can make mistakes, I generally do have a good sense of what > I'm doing (i.e., if a Gimp or Gnome package doesn't compile, the first > next thing to try is upgrading glibs and gtk, but if it's XEmacs, try > some variations in configure options). I can tell that you are very active and knowledgeable. I also respect your ovaries out and in the wind approach. And I'm sure I could learn a hell of alot from you. It's only when you start generalizing about groups that you lose me. I think you're better than that. > Boy, you sure do have a biased view of non-programming beta testers, > don't you? Huh?... Oh, yeah, your teasing me again. I never once made a distinction between programmers and non-programmers. I mean I have no biased views about gays or blacks or republicans, so why should I feel differently about non-programmers??? Ok, Ok ...maybe I DO have biased views about republicans... Roger C. Scudder Jr. Philadelphia, PA, US rscudder@usa.net I'd rather be running Linux! -- To unsubscribe, send a message with the word 'unsubscribe' in the subject or body of your message to plug-request@lists.nothinbut.net
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