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Re: [Plug] telnetting around a firewall - non-technical considerations
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Nick: These issues are always thorny. But ask yourself, how would you
like it if someone did this to your setup? Also, M. Ryan makes a good
point, PLUG should not be used to provide info on how to do these things
to a system that does not belong to the user. Sorry, but use your own
machine to break through firewalls, not one the taxpayers have paid for!
Billie
Nick R wrote:
>
> So you're saying that you'd never talk in class, speed, jaywalk, or do
> anything the least bit beyond the rules? Some rules are meant to be broken.
> You can't live a full life without breaking rules. Now I'm not going to try
> and crack the AS/400 on the network, but I'm also not going to pay attention
> to rules against things such as checking my e-mail. Getting yelled at by an
> angry paralibrarian is a lot different than getting suspended. Above all
> else though is the fact that there is no rule that says I can't do this.
> They have simply blocked out telnet on the proxy server. That, and the
> chances that I would be seen and that somehow what I was doing would be
> interpreted as wrong are infinitesimally small. I'm not dealing with
> SysAdmins here. If it's in an IE window and it's not a game, porn, or
> e-mail, then they don't know if it's wrong or not. They can recognize things
> such as an MS-DOS prompt (easy to get through their laughable security), but
> something like a cgi telnet interface would be beyond their ability. Again,
> to recap, there are the three important things, the degree of punishment,
> the chance I'll get caught, and the question of whether it's even against
> the rules.
>
> >From: "Sibylla C. Cressy" <scressy@op.net>
> >Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net
> >To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net
> >Subject: Re: [Plug] telnetting around a firewall - non-technical
> >considerations
> >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:35:12 -0400
> >
> >Michael: You gave our young friend some very good advise. DON'T DO IT
> >IF IT IS AGAINST THE SCHOOL RULES. i remember a college professor
> >telling a class I was in, to think about breaking the rules, because you
> >may grow up to desire a big position in government, business, etc. Look
> >at George W. to see how they are talking about his alleged drug use. He
> >was college age if I have the story straight; now he wants to be
> >president of the U.S. So, doing something when you are young and
> >stupid, may result 30 years from now, as a boomerang you didn't expect,
> >IMHO.
> >
> >BILLIE (retired H.S. teacher)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >MicMichael Leone wrote:
> > >
> > > At 09:48 AM 10/26/99 PDT, you wrote:
> > > >At the high school I go to, they've locked telnet out. That's why I
> >want to
> > > >get around it. They'll never find out and I don't think I'm technically
> > > >breaking any rules if I do it w/ a java applet or something.
> > >
> > > Well, since they have a rule that you can't telnet out, and if you do
> > > telnet out (regardless of whether it's via a java applet or tunneled or
> > > other method used), I'd say there was no "technically about it"; you are
> > > breaking the rules. They said you can't do that from their equipment;
> > > you're trying to do it anyway.
> > >
> > > Earlier, you had said there was no good reason for them to lock out
> >telnet.
> > > Maybe they have reasons you don't know about. Maybe they're worried that
> > > someone may do something rude via telnet from their systems (after all,
> >if
> > > you telnet into someone else's system, you are IN someone else's system,
> > > and might be able to exploit some vulnerability that the managers of the
> > > other system may not be aware of); and that your school may be liable.
> > >
> > > Whether you do telnet out or not is your business; not being involved,
> >it's
> > > not really my concern. Hell, I've done all kinds of things I'm not
> >supposed
> > > to. :-) Just be aware of what you're really doing, and of any
> >consequences
> > > if they do catch you (I wouldn't rule out loss of priveleges, or even
> > > suspension; you might be surprised at how seriously a school would come
> > > down on someone who's hacked their systems).
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > "...and if you have any questions about anything, come on up and ask
> > > me. Even if I don't know the answer, I'll make something up and you'll
> > > believe me."-Unknown
> > >
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