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Re: [Plug] telnetting around a firewall - non-technical considerations
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So you're saying that you'd never talk in class, speed, jaywalk, or do
anything the least bit beyond the rules? Some rules are meant to be broken.
You can't live a full life without breaking rules. Now I'm not going to try
and crack the AS/400 on the network, but I'm also not going to pay attention
to rules against things such as checking my e-mail. Getting yelled at by an
angry paralibrarian is a lot different than getting suspended. Above all
else though is the fact that there is no rule that says I can't do this.
They have simply blocked out telnet on the proxy server. That, and the
chances that I would be seen and that somehow what I was doing would be
interpreted as wrong are infinitesimally small. I'm not dealing with
SysAdmins here. If it's in an IE window and it's not a game, porn, or
e-mail, then they don't know if it's wrong or not. They can recognize things
such as an MS-DOS prompt (easy to get through their laughable security), but
something like a cgi telnet interface would be beyond their ability. Again,
to recap, there are the three important things, the degree of punishment,
the chance I'll get caught, and the question of whether it's even against
the rules.
From: "Sibylla C. Cressy" <scressy@op.net>
Reply-To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net
To: plug@lists.nothinbut.net
Subject: Re: [Plug] telnetting around a firewall - non-technical
considerations
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:35:12 -0400
Michael: You gave our young friend some very good advise. DON'T DO IT
IF IT IS AGAINST THE SCHOOL RULES. i remember a college professor
telling a class I was in, to think about breaking the rules, because you
may grow up to desire a big position in government, business, etc. Look
at George W. to see how they are talking about his alleged drug use. He
was college age if I have the story straight; now he wants to be
president of the U.S. So, doing something when you are young and
stupid, may result 30 years from now, as a boomerang you didn't expect,
IMHO.
BILLIE (retired H.S. teacher)
MicMichael Leone wrote:
>
> At 09:48 AM 10/26/99 PDT, you wrote:
> >At the high school I go to, they've locked telnet out. That's why I
want to
> >get around it. They'll never find out and I don't think I'm technically
> >breaking any rules if I do it w/ a java applet or something.
>
> Well, since they have a rule that you can't telnet out, and if you do
> telnet out (regardless of whether it's via a java applet or tunneled or
> other method used), I'd say there was no "technically about it"; you are
> breaking the rules. They said you can't do that from their equipment;
> you're trying to do it anyway.
>
> Earlier, you had said there was no good reason for them to lock out
telnet.
> Maybe they have reasons you don't know about. Maybe they're worried that
> someone may do something rude via telnet from their systems (after all,
if
> you telnet into someone else's system, you are IN someone else's system,
> and might be able to exploit some vulnerability that the managers of the
> other system may not be aware of); and that your school may be liable.
>
> Whether you do telnet out or not is your business; not being involved,
it's
> not really my concern. Hell, I've done all kinds of things I'm not
supposed
> to. :-) Just be aware of what you're really doing, and of any
consequences
> if they do catch you (I wouldn't rule out loss of priveleges, or even
> suspension; you might be surprised at how seriously a school would come
> down on someone who's hacked their systems).
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> "...and if you have any questions about anything, come on up and ask
> me. Even if I don't know the answer, I'll make something up and you'll
> believe me."-Unknown
>
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