Re: [PLUG] Microsoft's statement about Solaris-based Hotmail (old)

["Thomas E. Keiser" <tek@teklogic1.com>]

I'm sorry Adam (and everyone) for prolonging this silly thread, but truth is,
Win2K is going to give the Linux community a real mark to strive for. I've been
using it on a few machines for several months, and have had a shipping copy
running now for nearly a month. It's not the greatest in many ways, but it is
stable. None of these boxes have ever needed a reboot since installation -- no
blue screens, no this-or-that-faults, no problems.

Before you turn on your flame-throwers, by "mark to strive for" I'm talking
about:
1. number / diversity of applications;
2. handling of wierd hardware / plug&pray;
3. compatibility with the rest of the world;
4. Stability and robustness.

I think Linux will not only get there, it will survive as one of, perhaps, only
two or three OS's. But Win2K is, without any doubt, MS's best effort ever at
building an OS. Now Active Directory, and some other baggage are going to be a
bear, and MS is going to have some problems with its pricing, but if you ignore
those factors, this is a decent effort, and far outclasses NT or Win 9x. My
perception may change over time after more experience, but that's how I see it
for now.

Tom

Adam Turoff wrote:

> Michael W. Ryan wrote:
> > My apologies for the response.  It's mostly a matter the straw breaking
> > the camel's back.  The level of Microsoft sniping has risen lately.  I'd
> > really like to see this stop for two reasons.
> >
> > First, it doesn't lend us any credibility.  Just like Linux supporters
> > claim that FUD doesn't do anything to lend MS credibility, MS bashing
> > doesn't do anything positive for us in the larger view.
>
> I think the quote from the big giant head in Apple's 1984 commercial is
> something like:
>
>         Our enemies' confusion will be our greatest weapon
>
> In light of that remark, MS bashing, talking about the lack of credibility
> that MS bashing brings about and how to stop bashing MS actually has
> a net *negative* impact on quality software, linux or otherwise.
>
> > Second, some of us actually work in the Microsoft environment.
>
> [Sorry, but you stepped into this one, Mike]
>
> Care to tell us what they're doing *well*, since you're spending so much
> time in that environment?
>
> Off the top of my head, I'll mention that Miguel de Icaza is quite respectful
> of OLE, and is ever so happy he has a spreadsheet that is flicker-free,
> while Excel still hasn't gotten rid of screen flicker.
>
> If that isn't enough, why are both KDE and Gnome converging on a Win95
> style desktop?
>
> Z.
>
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