gabriel rosenkoetter on Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:10:15 +0200


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Re: [PLUG] RMS and GNU/sink (was: systrace is cool)


On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 04:39:59PM -0400, Noah silva wrote:
> I think RMS's argument is entirely invalid.
> 
> "tar' isn't all of userland.  and GNU tar wasn't very usefull intil it had
> a real kernal to run on.  What's more, I could easily write TAR, CP, LS,
> etc.  I wouldn't try to write anything liek the linux kernal.  We don't
> have to use GNU ls, we could use BSD ls, or any other.  What's more
> userland's upper levals are what is making linux more popular, and those
> are things like KDE and apache, mozilla, etc.

It doesn't matter whether you *could*, you haven't. You're using
software released under the auspices of the GNU Project. And some
of that software is significantly non-trivial, like find(1), grep(1)
(another one where NetBSD uses the GNU version, the AT&T source
being POSIX.2 non-compliant and really crufty to boot), and emacs
(say what you will, it's complicated), to pick just a few.

Just as soon as you *are* using an at least mostly non-GNU userland,
*then* RMS's argument would be entirely invalid. Till then, it holds
a bit of water. Not that it doesn't come off as whiny, mind you.

-- 
gabriel rosenkoetter
gr@eclipsed.net

PS, I'm far from being a Stallman apologist. I think he's a jerk
with some really whacked out ideas, both about software licensing
and a variety of other things, but that's just my opinion and has
nothing to do with the facts of the whose-userland-Linux-distros-use
situation.

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